Gurus Who Can Actually Teach?

by PeterDudek 100 replies
There are Internet Marketing "Gurus" and there are people out there who are excellent Internet Marketing "Teachers."

The well-known Gurus are excellent marketers.

And sometimes they are also excellent Teachers.

Unfortunately, sometimes a Guru is only good at Marketing. When it comes time to actually teach--they aren't very proficient.

I think that if a Guru can't teach, they shouldn't be marketing their teachings. Harsh. I know.

But wait! There's more...

By the same token, sometimes good Teachers suck at Marketing.

I think if a Teacher can't Market, they shouldn't be Teaching Internet Marketing. If you can't do-don't try and teach. (Man I hate it when another newbie sets up a "how to make money online" site.) I know. I'm insensitive.

But I'm also genuinely curious...

In YOUR opinion, who are the best Internet Marketing Gurus who are good at Marketing and also good at Teaching?

Who makes your "A-List" for I.M. Gurus?

(By the way, I'm NOT interested in who you think is bad. Just who you think is good.)

Thanks for your time and your valuable opinion.

P.S. No ulterior motive here. I'm not launching anything or creating a product with this. I'm seriously just curious because I want to buy some courses and I want to buy the best ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author NoGuru
    For newbies I think PotPieGirl provides a good bit of value. Her free Squidoo report and her free 6StepNicheSites are solid introductory resources. Her One Week Marketing guide, while certainly not rocket science for experienced internet marketers, is a value-priced resource for what you get.

    While I think she's a bit Squidoo-centric, and think she lays on the "aw shucks" persona a little thick sometimes, from what I've seen she seems to be doing well on the business side of things. I believe she got the bonus for most sales of the "Best Article Spinner" last month, and has come out at or near the top for other contest.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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      Originally Posted by NoGuru View Post

      For newbies I think PotPieGirl provides a good bit of value. Her free Squidoo report and her free 6StepNicheSites are solid introductory resources. Her One Week Marketing guide, while certainly not rocket science for experienced internet marketers, is a value-priced resource for what you get.

      While I think she's a bit Squidoo-centric, and think she lays on the "aw shucks" persona a little thick sometimes, from what I've seen she seems to be doing well on the business side of things. I believe she got the bonus for most sales of the "Best Article Spinner" last month, and has come out at or near the top for other contest.
      Do you have a link to her Squidoo report?
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      • Profile picture of the author imon32red
        I know several people very well that work for Guru's that many Warriors on this forum have probably heard of. Mostly in the real estate/finance realm. I am not as well versed in IM.

        Guru's are in business to sell their products, not to teach people how to make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
      Originally Posted by Sven Schoene View Post

      Judging from Eben Pagan's free stuff (and he put out A LOT) he seems to be the absolute king of teaching. He's an idol of mine.
      I second that. Eben is the man!
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Hi Peter,

    Your concerns are certainly valid because good marketing doesn't
    always equal good learning material. We've all probably learned that
    from first hand experience.

    I can't directly address your question because I stopped buying courses
    from the well-known IM marketers a long time ago.

    But I wanted to point-out that I've bought products from relatively
    unknown marketers, and their material was excellent from a teaching
    standpoint. It has been a while so can't really list any names. I downloaded
    a free ebook written by Paul Meyers who's a Warrior forum member and
    moderator. It was well-written and he conveyed his lessons and points
    very clearly and in a very well-organized manner. So that is one name
    that comes to mind.

    Another name is Sean d'Sousa (spelling?) who is very well known in certain
    circles. He teaches about article writing and other things. I think his
    article marketing course/coaching could be the most expensive around.
    But judging from his other writings and free teachings, he's a very good
    teacher as well as marketer. I think the difference with him is he's not
    so concerned with being famous as some others, maybe. At least that
    is my impression. So maybe that's why he doesn't seem to be a household
    IM name.

    I would urge you to consider buying something that appeals to you, is
    relevant to your needs as a marketer, and everything else about the
    material and person passes the warm fuzzy test.

    You never know how pleasantly surprised you may be.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeterDudek
      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      Hi Peter,

      ...I wanted to point-out that I've bought products from relatively
      unknown marketers, and their material was excellent from a teaching
      standpoint.

      ...I would urge you to consider buying something that appeals to you, is
      relevant to your needs as a marketer, and everything else about the
      material and person passes the warm fuzzy test.

      You never know how pleasantly surprised you may be.
      Ken,

      You make some excellent points which I totally agree with.

      I think I could have been more clear in my definition of Internet Marketing Guru.

      By "Guru" I mean someone who is Teaching Internet Marketing who actually makes lots of money.

      Whether they've chosen to put their name and face out there as a brand is only an optional part of being a guru.

      Some Gurus are famous. Some are not.

      But to me, an "A-List" Guru is someone who makes a lot (seriously, a LOT...minimum 7 Figures Net) of money and also is willing to teach others how to do it.

      And I guess to get even more granular about it...a person who teaches a "trick" or a "method" that is minor or short-term-strategy in nature, is not a Guru in my book.

      So I'm looking for the Top A-List Internet Marketing Gurus.
      • They make a lot of money using Internet Marketing.
      • They're willing to teach others.
      • They're good at teaching.
      • They may or may not be famous.
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  • Profile picture of the author H3x
    Im doing my best to teach my Subscribers how to earn money online and i often get good feedback. I spend a lot of hours each day adding new content for them to use, most of which is methods i personally use to make my income.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Before I ever got into IM, I taught for several years at a computer/business
      school. I have a certificate in training. So I am a qualified teacher.

      I have also been marketing successfully for over 7 years.

      That makes me a qualified marketer.

      However, this doesn't in any way prove or not prove that I can or can't
      teach marketing to others.

      Why?

      Because, for one thing, everybody learns differently. My teaching style
      might be totally wrong for a certain type of person. It doesn't mean it's
      good or bad. It just means it's not a good fit.

      For another, each aspect of marketing requires a different approach to
      teaching it. Some people are good at teaching article writing but terrible
      at teaching pay per click, even though they are proficient at both.

      You can't pigeon hole somebody as a good or bad teacher just on your
      criteria alone because there are way too many variables involved.

      This is why I will turn down students who I don't feel I can help because
      of those variables.

      In other words, the answer to your question isn't as black and white as
      you'd like. While I had a teacher for copywriting, I in no way can say
      whether or not that same person would be a good teacher for article
      marketing.

      Hope I've been clear on this issue.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


        Because, for one thing, everybody learns differently. My teaching style
        might be totally wrong for a certain type of person. It doesn't mean it's
        good or bad. It just means it's not a good fit.

        For another, each aspect of marketing requires a different approach to
        teaching it. Some people are good at teaching article writing but terrible
        at teaching pay per click, even though they are proficient at both.

        You can't pigeon hole somebody as a good or bad teacher just on your
        criteria alone because there are way too many variables involved.
        Very good points, Steve.

        It's similar to the ongoing debate about video marketing, long sales letters,
        etc. Some people who love videos may prefer to learn from videos. I'm
        not one of them. lol. I don't like videos in marketing and in learning
        situations.

        So if someone, who otherwise may be a great teacher, uses videos to teach,
        then my preferences would probably color my opinion about his learning
        material.

        By the way, Steve, I have bought some of your teaching info products
        and thought they were well-done. For me and my preferences, you're a
        good teacher. (for what it's worth.)
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      • Profile picture of the author PeterDudek
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        My teaching style
        might be totally wrong for a certain type of person. It doesn't mean it's
        good or bad. It just means it's not a good fit.

        For another, each aspect of marketing requires a different approach to
        teaching it. Some people are good at teaching article writing but terrible
        at teaching pay per click, even though they are proficient at both.

        In other words, the answer to your question isn't as black and white as
        you'd like. While I had a teacher for copywriting, I in no way can say
        whether or not that same person would be a good teacher for article
        marketing.

        Hope I've been clear on this issue.
        Totally clear. Excellent points.

        And that is exactly where I'm heading with my list.

        I want to build a list of the best I.M. Gurus and what they teach. What I'm doing is like picking my professors at the university. "I want so-and-so for History because he's awesome. That other guy is boring. And I want Prof. X for Physics because he won a Nobel Prize and his students go on to get fantastic jobs. etc."

        For example, I am currently taking Andy Jenkin's Video Boss course. It is outstanding. In my opinion (and I've been dabbling in Internet Video for a LONG time) Andy Jenkin's course is one of the best IM courses on video I've ever seen. It's amazing. Andy's a great Marketer and a great Teacher.

        I'm also a long-term student of Frank Kern. In fact, I consider him my Mentor. He's awesome at marketing and his teaching style "fits" my learning style perfectly.

        So, thanks for your comment and for your clarification. You rock!
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        • Profile picture of the author nofearman
          Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

          Totally clear. Excellent points.

          And that is exactly where I'm heading with my list.

          I want to build a list of the best I.M. Gurus and what they teach. What I'm doing is like picking my professors at the university. "I want so-and-so for History because he's awesome. That other guy is boring. And I want Prof. X for Physics because he won a Nobel Prize and his students go on to get fantastic jobs. etc."

          For example, I am currently taking Andy Jenkin's Video Boss course. It is outstanding. In my opinion (and I've been dabbling in Internet Video for a LONG time) Andy Jenkin's course is one of the best IM courses on video I've ever seen. It's amazing. Andy's a great Marketer and a great Teacher.

          I'm also a long-term student of Frank Kern. In fact, I consider him my Mentor. He's awesome at marketing and his teaching style "fits" my learning style perfectly.

          So, thanks for your comment and for your clarification. You rock!
          BUT, of course the TRADE OFF is COST. The two people you mention adhere to the charge as much as possible philosophy, hence most people cannot afford their "mentoring fees".
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    I think kim roach is a graet teacher.
    I also like howie schwartz
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    I have my Masters in Education so when I read marketing material I really notice if the "teacher" did a good job. Is there a good introduction? Are the objectives clear and easy to follow? Does the material have closure?

    So many times I will read a report that is supposed to explain something and it skips steps.

    Lisa Parmley's Inline SEO course is perfection. She is a natural teacher and knows her stuff. Her material is presented in both video and reports.
    Xfactors Adsense report is a great example of a step by step blueprint
    And Casey Gentles free report Newbies Fast Cash Guide is great.

    Learning styles do vary from one person to the next. I would prefer to read material but others would rather watch videos. Some work better learning alone and some need more structure. So different teachers for different styles also.
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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      As Steve already pointed out it isn't as plain as black and white.
      A good teacher or coach doesn't necessarily have to be good at the subject. They have to understand it of course but the main criteria in a good teacher or coach is to be able to bring out the full potential in the student. For instance there are many top athletes in the world that have coaches that never really did anything to speak of in their particular field themselves but they are very good at bringing out potential in others. Just look at the NFL or basketball, golf etc.
      So my opinion is it doesn't really matter if the teacher has been successful at what they are teaching, it's all about HOW they teach the student and the potential they can bring out of the student that matters.
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      • Profile picture of the author PeterDudek
        Originally Posted by ozduc View Post

        As Steve already pointed out it isn't as plain as black and white.
        A good teacher or coach doesn't necessarily have to be good at the subject. They have to understand it of course but the main criteria in a good teacher or coach is to be able to bring out the full potential in the student. For instance there are many top athletes in the world that have coaches that never really did anything to speak of in their particular field themselves but they are very good at bringing out potential in others. Just look at the NFL or basketball, golf etc.
        So my opinion is it doesn't really matter if the teacher has been successful at what they are teaching, it's all about HOW they teach the student and the potential they can bring out of the student that matters.
        I understand what you're saying, but to me, Teaching and Coaching are very different.

        I'm not looking for motivation. I've got plenty of that.

        I'm looking for education.

        To me, when it comes to teaching how to make money, it matters a great deal if the teacher has been successful or not. In fact, it's one of my main criteria.

        Suppose Guru A said this to you, "I bet you could make a lot of money doing X-Y-Z. I've never done it, but I'll be happy to show you how to do it and cheer you on."

        Then Guru B said this, "I made $3,432,934.00 in the past 12 months doing A-B-C. I absolutely know it works because I made over $2 million last year doing the same thing. And this year I'm on track to make over $10 million. I've got a detailed, step-by-step, easy-to-follow course that will teach you how to do exactly what I'm doing."

        I think I'd go with Guru B, wouldn't you?
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        • Profile picture of the author ozduc
          Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

          I think I'd go with Guru B, wouldn't you?
          Point well taken, I probably would.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
          Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

          I understand what you're saying, but to me, Teaching and Coaching are very different.

          I'm not looking for motivation. I've got plenty of that.

          I'm looking for education.

          To me, when it comes to teaching how to make money, it matters a great deal if the teacher has been successful or not. In fact, it's one of my main criteria.

          Suppose Guru A said this to you, "I bet you could make a lot of money doing X-Y-Z. I've never done it, but I'll be happy to show you how to do it and cheer you on."

          Then Guru B said this, "I made $3,432,934.00 in the past 12 months doing A-B-C. I absolutely know it works because I made over $2 million last year doing the same thing. And this year I'm on track to make over $10 million. I've got a detailed, step-by-step, easy-to-follow course that will teach you how to do exactly what I'm doing."

          I think I'd go with Guru B, wouldn't you?
          I think Ewen Chia is your guy, but are you going to put all the hard work he put in for twelve years straight before he made his first million online? That's the question!
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    • Profile picture of the author khairulazan
      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      I have my Masters in Education so when I read marketing material I really notice if the "teacher" did a good job. Is there a good introduction? Are the objectives clear and easy to follow? Does the material have closure?

      So many times I will read a report that is supposed to explain something and it skips steps.

      Lisa Parmley's Inline SEO course is perfection. She is a natural teacher and knows her stuff. Her material is presented in both video and reports.
      Xfactors Adsense report is a great example of a step by step blueprint
      And Casey Gentles free report Newbies Fast Cash Guide is great.

      Learning styles do vary from one person to the next. I would prefer to read material but others would rather watch videos. Some work better learning alone and some need more structure. So different teachers for different styles also.
      I agree with this...having knowledge and experience in something does not mean we can teach that thing to someone efectively..teaching is another skill to master...I have a good interest in education.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
    Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

    I think if a Teacher can't Market, they shouldn't be Teaching Internet Marketing. If you can't do-don't try and teach. (Man I hate it when another newbie sets up a "how to make money online" site.) I know. I'm insensitive.
    I tuely believe that teaching is a whole different can of worms when compaired to any other activity, some people are naturaly gifted with the right good teacher's temperament/personality. by the contrary, there are many people who are not gifted with the ability of being able to teach well what they can do successfully. How many successful football coaches are fat guys who never even made it to their high schools football teams? yet their passion, undertanding, love for the game, plus a degree in sport education allows them to coach teams very well. There are many college marketing and business teachers who live pay-check to pay-check and have never had their own businesses (offline or online), if all good business teachers had the drive to become millionaires themselves there would not be teachers left at our colleges and Universities, don't you think? Teaching is mostly related to knowledge optained through hard intellectual research work, and to the ability of being able to pass that knowledge to others successfully.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeterDudek
      Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

      There are many college marketing and business teachers who live pay-check to pay-check and have never had their own businesses (offline or online), if all good business teachers had the drive to become millionaires themselves there would not be teachers left at our colleges and Universities, don't you think? Teaching is mostly related to knowledge optained through hard intellectual research work, and to the ability of being able to pass that knowledge to others successfully.
      LOL. Well, in my opinion, college professors and the whole college thing are highly over-rated anyway.

      I think Marketing and Business professors who have never had success in business have NO BUSINESS teaching marketing or business.

      If they had any shred of decency, they would resign and try to have success, then come back and teach for free after they're rich.

      But then, as I've already stated, I'm a flawed character being unusually harsh and insensitive.

      ANYWAY...getting back to the subject...who are the "A-List" Gurus (famous or not) who can Teach well?
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    Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

    By the same token, sometimes good Teachers suck at Marketing.

    I think if a Teacher can't Market, they shouldn't be Teaching Internet Marketing. If you can't do-don't try and teach. (Man I hate it when another newbie sets up a "how to make money online" site.) I know. I'm insensitive.
    I don't agree, sort of. One of the biggest myths out there is the stupid (imo) cliche: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." Anyone with plenty of life and business experience knows this to be utter nonsense.

    But one caveat... I do think in IM you need to know that something works before you teach it to others. That does NOT mean, however, that you must be making gazillions from that thing you're teaching. It just means you need to know it works. Because then the people you teach can take that ball and run with it. Scale it up. Focus on it to the exclusion of other things. That's the point here really... we all have different interests and talents. If I know something works but I don't really like doing it... should I not teach it to others? I say that's a ridiculous notion. It assumes my own proclivities apply universally.

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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hi,

    Interesting post and responses.... very informative.

    However I am not sure I can fully agree let me lay an example.

    Say I learned woodworking. O.K.

    Now I learned it I know what works how to measure use the tools what tools to use a scroll saw for some a band saw for others etc. BUT I SUCK at wood working. LOL true

    That does not prevent me from giving the facts to someone who may have a real knack for it. facts are something I truly love because they cannot be altered as soon as they are they are no longer facts.

    I can relay the information to those desiring to learn without actually being successful at it myself. You asked if one would choose guru A or guru B I would choose neither. I prefer to learn myself but for the record I don't go by claims of income I can tell you last year I made 120 k but what I am not telling you is that it cost me 125k in advertising etc . just an e.g. not true

    If you go to any school whether elementary ,high school, college whatever. The teacher teaching, is teaching what they have learned and not necessarily what they have experienced. Do I think people should teach if they do not know. NO that would not be a fact but if you know what works I don't think that discounts the person.
    I think that there are some who excel in showing and doing and others who excel in showing. first you do A then go to B this will help you produce C etc but having said all this I think there are way too many whacko's teaching things they know nothing about so then they are not relaying facts but fiction which causes harm so that is my opinion
    Thanks,
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    • Profile picture of the author Sara Young
      I don't get it.

      If the teacher doesn't make money from a method, how do they know it really works?

      If I don't make money from Twitter, for example, how can I teach it properly? Maybe there's an important factor I don't understand?
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      • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
        Originally Posted by Sara Young View Post

        I don't get it.

        If the teacher doesn't make money from a method, how do they know it really works?

        Well again that is completely different Sarah but for one to teach something they do not need to actually be doing it they need to know the facts of it. much like how Andy further explained there is a huge difference from doing something and relaying through experience and teaching using a "curiculum'

        Know what I mean?

        I could teach people to make thousands of dollars selling toys but if they don't know the era, how to get the ones in a certain condition etc they couldn't make thousands doing it yet I could show them the sites that yield tremendous revenue there has to be a balance of knowledge and work in order for anything taught to be usable so it is not just based on my experience it has to be applied all I could do is present the facts etc..
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          Suppose Guru A said this to you, "I bet you could make a lot of money doing X-Y-Z. I've never done it, but I'll be happy to show you how to do it and cheer you on."

          Then Guru B said this, "I made $3,432,934.00 in the past 12 months doing A-B-C. I absolutely know it works because I made over $2 million last year doing the same thing. And this year I'm on track to make over $10 million. I've got a detailed, step-by-step, easy-to-follow course that will teach you how to do exactly what I'm doing."
          You're missing an option. There is also Person C, who is not a guru and is not a millionaire, who has either observed or interviewed the gurus and is able to boil down the success principles and procedures into teachings that Gurus B and D and F are not able to come up with, because they're just too close to it.

          In the 1990s, I got a book contract from one of the top five New York publishers to write a how-to book on a topic I knew very little about at the time. This made some of the experts in that field very angry. How dare the publisher give a contract to me instead of to the experts! (I.e. gurus, though no one used that word at that time in that sense.) I reported what they were saying to my editor, and she said that if she had a choice between an expert who could not explain what he knew and a great explainer who did not know what the expert knew, she would put her money on the latter person any day to write a book. She reassured me that I was the right person to write the book because I knew how to ask great questions and how to clearly organize what the experts said so that a novice could learn.

          Just because Guru B made a gazillion dollars doing something, he does not necessarily know how and why it worked in such a way that it would inevitably work for someone else.

          So, like my former editor, I would put my money down on the teacher who knows how to gather and analyze information from many sources rather than the super-successful one who may not know how to assess what he did and communicate it effectively to others.

          Marcia Yudkin
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Sara Young View Post

        I don't get it.

        If the teacher doesn't make money from a method, how do they know it really works?

        If I don't make money from Twitter, for example, how can I teach it properly? Maybe there's an important factor I don't understand?
        I guess the same reason that Hank Haney ,who is Tiger Woods Golf teacher, has NEVER won a PGA Tournament in his Life !! He cant win with his own method but he can teach Tiger to win with it !!!
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        • Profile picture of the author JustVisiting
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          I guess the same reason that Hank Haney ,who is Tiger Woods Golf teacher, has NEVER won a PGA Tournament in his Life !! He cant win with his own method but he can teach Tiger to win with it !!!
          (Let's not forget the greatest golf teacher of all time, Harvey Penick)

          Good teachers are good observers and communicators. In my experience the best salesmen I have known have NEVER been good trainers BUT a good trainer will analyze WHY the salesman is so successful and THEN train others.
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              Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

              That's the point most people miss when we have these discussion within the IM context.

              Those coaches understand psychology and modeling. They can model successful people and pass on their strategies. That doesn't mean they'll be successful but it stakes the cards in their favour.

              This is what I consider to be the most important aspect of all of this.

              You don't necessarily have to be an expert if you are able to effectively model and you have access to successful people in the field.

              The thing that confuses the issue with IM is that most people focus on the money, when in reality the money is simply a side-effect of good practices.

              People starting out forget that people who have made their money tend not to focus on it so much anymore. That often comes across as 'they've forgotten their roots' etc, but it's a natural effect of moving on in your position and realising that focusing on being effective and happy leads to money, focusing on money tends to lead to stress and reduced effectiveness.

              Anyone can learn to model others and become a great coach, so it's not really anything to do with their own expertise in the subject.

              Great coaches often make great money too - because dedicated individuals are usually happy to pay to get better at their passion.

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              • Profile picture of the author PeterDudek
                Hmmm...

                I'm getting a LOT more philosophy than I wanted.

                Don't get me wrong, I like to blather on as much as the next guy, but seriously...

                ...anybody got any actual NAMES they'd like to share?

                Come on people. Let's focus. Internet Marketing's A-List Gurus who are also Good Teachers.

                Keep your eye on the ball!

                This isn't about YOU. It's about making a list for ME. Pay attention!

                If you can't come up with a name amongst all your self-aggrandizing verbiage, get off the damn court and let someone play who wants to score!

                (I'm coaching here. It's an inside joke amongst just us who have read all the posts to this thread.)

                Here's the list I've got so far from ya'll:
                • PotPieGirl - 6StepNicheSites
                • Eben Pagan
                • Paul Meyers
                • Sean d'Sousa - Article Marketing
                • kim roach
                • howie schwartz
                • Lisa Parmley - Inline SEO
                • Xfactors Adsense
                • Casey Gentles - Newbies Fast Cash Guide
                • Ewen Chia
                • Frank Kern
                • CHRIS FERRELL
                • jay abraham and brian tracy(non-IM)
                So. According to the Warrior Forum, this is Internet Marketing's A-List?

                Is this the best we can do?

                Seriously?
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                • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
                  Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

                  Hmmm...

                  PotPieGirl - 6StepNicheSites
                  • Eben Pagan
                  • Paul Meyers
                  • Sean d'Sousa - Article Marketing
                  • kim roach
                  • howie schwartz
                  • Lisa Parmley - Inline SEO
                  • Xfactors Adsense
                  • Casey Gentles - Newbies Fast Cash Guide
                  • Ewen Chia
                  • Frank Kern
                  • CHRIS FERRELL
                  • jay abraham and brian tracy(non-IM)
                  So. According to the Warrior Forum, this is Internet Marketing's A-List?

                  Is this the best we can do?

                  Seriously?
                  Don't confuse some members views with the views of 'the warrior forum'.

                  I wouldn't agree with that list but I just can't see a good reason to add names to it.

                  I think you should just speak to people you know and trust and make your own determination for yourself.

                  These lists are subjective and nothing more than a bunch of different peoples subjective views.
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                  • Profile picture of the author PeterDudek
                    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

                    Don't confuse some members views with the views of 'the warrior forum'.

                    I wouldn't agree with that list but I just can't see a good reason to add names to it.

                    I think you should just speak to people you know and trust and make your own determination for yourself.

                    These lists are subjective and nothing more than a bunch of different peoples subjective views.
                    The reason I posed the question to this forum is because I thought (and still think) this group of people would be the absolute best group to answer it.

                    Obtaining the opinions of this group of expert consumers of the information I want to buy (subjective though it may be) is something I consider to be a valuable exercise.

                    If I were in the market for a killer audio system, I'd be over in the audiophile forums asking similar questions about audio gear.

                    And who knows? Depending on the answers I get, maybe the resulting list will be valuable to other people as well. Save someone some money/time by helping them go after the best stuff first and avoid some of the crap? That might be valuable to someone. Maybe that could be a reason for contributing a name or two.

                    Not that I would care about that.

                    The real reason I'm compiling the list is for my own library-building, educational purposes. I realize that's totally selfish on my part. But that's how I roll. Did I just say that out loud? (eeuw! I just used smilies! I need to wash.)

                    Anyway, here's where we are now:
                    • PotPieGirl - 6StepNicheSites
                    • Eben Pagan
                    • Paul Meyers
                    • Sean d'Sousa - Article Marketing
                    • kim roach
                    • howie schwartz
                    • Lisa Parmley - Inline SEO
                    • Xfactors Adsense
                    • Casey Gentles - Newbies Fast Cash Guide
                    • Ewen Chia
                    • Frank Kern
                    • CHRIS FARRELL
                    • Glen Allsop - ViperChill.com
                    • Lee McIntyre - Warrior Forum
                    • Tony Shepherd - Warrior Forum
                    • Kevin Bidwell - Warrior Forum
                    • jay abraham and brian tracy(non-IM)
                    And on a related subject everybody, what are your thoughts about GuruDaq? Anyone like it?
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                    • Profile picture of the author SelfMadeCelo
                      How about Keith Baxter and Matt Trainer?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mountainmotorman
                      Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

                      The reason I posed the question to this forum is because I thought (and still think) this group of people would be the absolute best group to answer it.

                      Obtaining the opinions of this group of expert consumers of the information I want to buy (subjective though it may be) is something I consider to be a valuable exercise.

                      If I were in the market for a killer audio system, I'd be over in the audiophile forums asking similar questions about audio gear.

                      And who knows? Depending on the answers I get, maybe the resulting list will be valuable to other people as well. Save someone some money/time by helping them go after the best stuff first and avoid some of the crap? That might be valuable to someone. Maybe that could be a reason for contributing a name or two.

                      Not that I would care about that.

                      The real reason I'm compiling the list is for my own library-building, educational purposes. I realize that's totally selfish on my part. But that's how I roll. Did I just say that out loud? (eeuw! I just used smilies! I need to wash.)

                      Anyway, here's where we are now:
                      • PotPieGirl - 6StepNicheSites
                      • Eben Pagan
                      • Paul Meyers
                      • Sean d'Sousa - Article Marketing
                      • kim roach
                      • howie schwartz
                      • Lisa Parmley - Inline SEO
                      • Xfactors Adsense
                      • Casey Gentles - Newbies Fast Cash Guide
                      • Ewen Chia
                      • Frank Kern
                      • CHRIS FARRELL
                      • Glen Allsop - ViperChill.com
                      • Lee McIntyre - Warrior Forum
                      • Tony Shepherd - Warrior Forum
                      • Kevin Bidwell - Warrior Forum
                      • jay abraham and brian tracy(non-IM)
                      And on a related subject everybody, what are your thoughts about GuruDaq? Anyone like it?

                      I am in shock!!!!!! No one here has added DON & JEREMY??? Or Yellowboy??? Listen am I crazy or are these guys the ones who have been training HUNDREDS of NEW people every month! Not just the same littel old list... I know they add more and more and more with more and better teaching materials monthly!
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                      • Profile picture of the author ceecee12
                        I know this is an old thread, but I have a question.

                        I am new to the Warrior Forum and here in this thread and in many other places, I keep seeing the names "Don & Jeremy".

                        I did a search, but didn't find out who "Don & Jeremy" are. Can anyone enlighten me? They seem to be very well respected and I would like to learn more. Any links to them or their material would be appreciated!!
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                        • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
                          Originally Posted by ceecee12 View Post

                          I know this is an old thread, but I have a question.

                          I am new to the Warrior Forum and here in this thread and in many other places, I keep seeing the names "Don & Jeremy".

                          I did a search, but didn't find out who "Don & Jeremy" are. Can anyone enlighten me? They seem to be very well respected and I would like to learn more. Any links to them or their material would be appreciated!!
                          Don = zerofill
                          Jeremy = Jeremy Kelsall

                          Warrior Forum user names for each. Their blog is here: Don and Jeremy - Internet Marketing Blog

                          Good guys, too.

                          John
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    Frank Kern and Howie Shwartz are the most down to Earth laid back
    teachers I have come across.
    It's like your fist time you ever went fishing
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    who truly want's you to succeed (catch that first fish).
    Once you get it there is a genuine feeling of accomplishment from them
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    Also jay abraham and brian tracy(non-IM)
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    those that can ..do"
    Those that can't teach"
    I do not fully agree with this but there you go.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Why do you have to be millionaire to be a teacher? I mean iof Joe blogs makes $1000,000 p.a. is happy and has been doing it for 5+ years. He m ight be the best "teacher" in the world. I do not see the fascination with millions.

    You're missing an option. There is also Person C, who is not a guru and is not a millionaire, who has either observed or interviewed the gurus and is able to boil down the success principles and procedures into teachings that Gurus B and D and F are not able to come up with, because they're just too close to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author VeitSchenk
    plenty of great answers!

    here's my take on the "newbie who doesn't make tons of it but can explain it" vs "guru who makes tons with it but can't explain it":

    the guru is often at a place where (s)he's had years of experience, i.e. they've already "forgotten" what the stumbling blocks were in the beginning.

    you know the feeling many newbies have "hey, the guru must be holding back a little something, it seems to be working for them, but not for me".

    I think that's the key: they're so advanced in their field, that the simple stuff is so obvious to them that they don't really go into it -- and that's where the newbie who has just started (or the teacher who is great at explaining) comes in: they can look at those little stumbling blocks and make crystal clear what the *exact* next step is you need to take.

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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickWil
    I'll second Eben Pagan and Frank Kern as their teaching styles match my learning style. I'll throw in a different name into the list.

    I stumbled upon Glen Allsop of ViperChill.com a few months back. He is genuine, very detailed and doesn't hesitate to share everything he has which I reckon are good qualities to have. Guru? Maybe not when compared to the list you have now but a Guru in his own right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Throw Lee McIntyre and Tony Shepherd into the mix. Both Warriors and both very successful and both excellent in different ways at teaching their methods. Tony is especially good at doing so in a way that is simple without being simplistic. When I make it over to jolly old England, that's a guy I'm gonna buy a pint or two, for sure.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    I just started another thread like this as I haden't noticed this one.

    Basically, I think one of the best teachers of IM is Kevin Bidwell. And he's a Warrior.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I think a list like this is a bit pointless, imho.

    Having said that... his name is Chris FARRELL, not FERREL

    Smart peoplez he is.

    Jay

    p.s. Brian Tracy can teach people more about marketing than half the marketing crowd combined, and he's not even trying
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Am I the only one who thinks Jay looks like Matthew Broderick in War Games?

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  • Profile picture of the author cjed2061
    I found Brian Johnson's Commission Ritual to be very helpful. I believe he would be considered a "guru".
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    • Profile picture of the author Dustin_M
      Originally Posted by cjed2061 View Post

      I found Brian Johnson's Commission Ritual to be very helpful. I believe he would be considered a "guru".
      I am a huge fan of Brian Johnson as well. His teaching style and SEO strategies are pretty much all I have been doing lately. Anyone from complete beginners to intermediate marketers can really benefit from his stuff.

      just my 2 cents...
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        Originally Posted by Experimental View Post

        I am a huge fan of Brian Johnson as well. His teaching style and SEO strategies are pretty much all I have been doing lately. Anyone from complete beginners to intermediate marketers can really benefit from his stuff.

        just my 2 cents...
        Hey Experimental,

        So glad to here that you are finding my
        methods and strategies of help ;-)

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  • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
    You can add Liz Tomey to that list, IM marketing gurus respect her training skills. Willie Crawford (thousands of twitter followers) is also a good IM trainer, but its been a while seen I haven't heard of him doing one of his seminars.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Jimmy D. Brown gets my vote.
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    Andrew Fox and Mike Filsaime are both pretty good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    A vote from me for George Brown. He's very laid back and easy to follow and has a couple of top notch guides out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Go Girl
    Hi,

    Has anybody heard of Armand Morin? I'm booked in to his course in Sydney at the end of May, does anyone know anything about him? Is it worth attending or am I better off putting my money elsewhere? (it's a 3 day course)

    Thanks,

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    anyone know of Jim Straw as a mentor?
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    • Profile picture of the author teatree
      You know what they say about "those who can, do. Those who can't, teach"?

      It's true in internet marketing too. The guys who are making millions from mainstream websites selling everyday products to mainstream people don't publicise their wealth, and they don't teach (teaching would sap their time and reduce their income).

      The so-called internet gurus make their money solely from selling to noobs, who then find that the courses somehow don't translate into success at all (ie they wasted their money). The only reason the gurus brag about how much they make is so that they can lure some poor desperate person into buying their ebook or whatever they are selling.

      There isn't any big secret to internet marketing.

      1. Experiment with ideas on Squidoo and Hubpages. Use google's keyword tool to find keywords with traffic, but go with hunches too. But just throw up some lenses and hubs every week.

      2. Of the lenses and hubs you've made, perhaps 10% will make you money. Part of the reason people don't have success is that they believe their couple of hubs should be enough. You really need a few hundred up to uncover the profitable ones. The profitable 10% are the ones to concentrate on. Build backlinks to these lenses and hubs. Also start up your own domain for this niche. When the lens and hub are rock solid due to the backlinks you have been building to them, then point them at your new domain. Start building other links to the new site and watch it gain traffic and sales.

      3. Rinse and repeat.

      Lots of internet marketing is trial and error. If you added up all the time people spend chasing this or that guru and think about what they would have achieved if they simply got down and experimented, it's frightening.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
        I haven't seen anybody else doing such a great job teaching newbies like the crew of the 30 Day Challenge (Ed Dale, Guru Bog, Dan...) and I have to say that Cris Farrell is also doing an outstanding job teaching newbies how to make money online and more importantly how to build a business.

        When it comes to advanced online marketing, I like the teaching style of Frank Kern, Eben Pegan, Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher and recently I checked some of Lee Mcintyre's stuff and he's also doing a great job.

        Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Uturn
    I've been learning from everyone in the Warrior Forum. MarketingSPY tought me a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
    This thread is the most awkward thing I have seen on the internet lately, it started as some kind of "those who teach should not be teaching if they are not super stars at doing what they teach", then it degenerated to some kind of "tell me who you believe to be the best millionaires gurus who can also teach", "people" seem to look for this thread to comment on it and bump it up for not clear reason at all, the guy who created this thread has some kind of trusted guru site which does not make much sense to me at all.

    This is to much of a weird thread for my taste, I am out of here!
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    • Profile picture of the author PeterDudek
      Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

      "people" seem to look for this thread to comment on it and bump it up for not clear reason at all
      Dude, if you're insinuating that I'm using fake accounts to artificially bump the thread, sorry to disappoint you...that's not happening. I don't do that kind of thing.

      What would be the point of doing that with this thread anyway?

      This is an honest inquiry. Simple discussion about a subject I think is interesting. Nothing more.

      No bad karma here. I can promise you that.

      Peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I taught high school and college so if I can't teach then I wasted
    a lot of people's time. I've never had a complain from my copy
    students so I guess they would vouch for my ability to make
    the complex simple.

    It's interesting that some of the names that have been listed
    are ghost-writing clients of mine. (Shhhh!)

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    • Profile picture of the author skyward
      Hi Peter,

      Thank you for this thread.

      Having a list like is great. There are many names here that are new to me and I'm looking forward to learning more about their offerings.

      Today I was wondering, are there Guru's out there, based on your experience, that you can recommend?

      Thanks.

      Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Soapyshoe
    Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

    There are Internet Marketing "Gurus" and there are people out there who are excellent Internet Marketing "Teachers."

    The well-known Gurus are excellent marketers.

    And sometimes they are also excellent Teachers.

    Unfortunately, sometimes a Guru is only good at Marketing. When it comes time to actually teach--they aren't very proficient.

    I think that if a Guru can't teach, they shouldn't be marketing their teachings. Harsh. I know.

    But wait! There's more...

    By the same token, sometimes good Teachers suck at Marketing.

    I think if a Teacher can't Market, they shouldn't be Teaching Internet Marketing. If you can't do-don't try and teach. (Man I hate it when another newbie sets up a "how to make money online" site.) I know. I'm insensitive.

    But I'm also genuinely curious...

    In YOUR opinion, who are the best Internet Marketing Gurus who are good at Marketing and also good at Teaching?

    Who makes your "A-List" for I.M. Gurus?

    (By the way, I'm NOT interested in who you think is bad. Just who you think is good.)

    Thanks for your time and your valuable opinion.

    P.S. No ulterior motive here. I'm not launching anything or creating a product with this. I'm seriously just curious because I want to buy some courses and I want to buy the best ones.
    Nice post.

    You just summed up the basis of my career:

    A good marketer who can also teach.
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    Eben Pagan
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    Adeel Chowdhry is a good one. He takes you step by step.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    When people ask me this kind of question I always say: Lee McIntyre.

    Before I start making a living online I purchased many courses from several different gurus. They me gave some useful information, but always had something missing. I just started making serious money online after learning from Lee McIntyre. His is the guy who actually showed me how to make money online. Actually, I think that you can learn more from the free videos that he posts on his blog than from the expensive courses that the other gurus are selling.


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  • Profile picture of the author thinkrich
    Chris Farrell is actually a Newbie ..... He just found his niche and got on with it - quickly!

    So if you only want 'A-List' Guru's then you may be disappointed.

    Many of them actually are not very good teachers, but are good marketers.... big difference.

    Dollars mean more to them than quality content. They would much rather boast about themselves than teach anyone anything of any substance..... for no cost or low cost.

    Again, this depends on which aspect of IM you are really interested in as each one that has been mentioned so far has their own speciality in what they focus on.

    MARKETING itself is only one word, but it has a LOT of different directions you can go.

    So, to bundle IM into one big bag of fish is not going to make you any the wiser.

    Focus, staying focused, mastering one aspect at a time is the only way to go. Once each step is mastered, then you can move onto the next.

    Spreading yourself too thin on a number of things can (and does) only lead to someone chasing their tail.

    So, there is not a bundled product that can save you. There is no IM 'Bible'.

    You need to focus on EXACTLY what you want to learn at any given stage and then source products/courses/manuals or 'blueprints' (blah) that can interest you for their content and the way it is delivered, despite the author.

    The internet is an ever-changing, ever-evolving organism. What works today may not work in 3 months time, let alone next year.

    Just look at the way Google changes it's 'algorithms' to push/drop top ten results, whenever they feel like it.

    For Me, the people whom I have learned the most off in the past 2 years (for current focused IM) are:

    Dave Lovelace (Warrior) NO BS Style!
    Kevin Riley (Warrior) Also moonlights as a lab rat
    Chris Farrell (Genius)
    Ray Johnson (Wheelie Warrior)

    These guys tell it like it is. No need to think outside the square.. you are already sitting in a big box.

    What I have found is that there is not really much new on the net with reference to IM. It's a lot of old material in a new package reloaded hyped up blah blah blah.

    Ya gotta shovel a lotta coal to find a diamond.

    If you ask these guys who taught them what they know.... maybe you might find a good teacher.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    Unfortunately all too often I see "Gurus" better at selling and creating hype than at the actual process of teaching what they are promising to teach through their selling.
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    Hannes Dreyer, ever heard him? check this website Control Center Marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I've learned long ago, that most successful people get to where they are, not because they've had a good teacher (although that helps) but because they are a good learner. Sometimes a teacher may not be great. But as a good learner you should be able to extrapolate knowledge from any teacher, as long as they are putting it out there.

    So having said that, I choose to learn from those that have done, or are doing - AND are successful. I don't care if they're a good teacher or not. As long as they are honest and are putting it all out there. Some gurus have success, and have proven their success, but the methods they teach are not the same methods they're using themselves. As a good learner, you should be able to figure that out.

    On the other end there are some that seem to teach a great method, but you'll see them making posts with headlines like "what the heck am I doing wrong?" or "why am I not making money?". If they were such great teachers, then they'd be using the method themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author kishorem
      I personally would like to suggest Armand Morin too.

      He is one of the best in IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
        Gotta give a shout out to Perry Marshall. List wouldn't be complete without his name!
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        • Profile picture of the author Focused Action
          I think Steve Clayton is a great teacher - everything I have seen by him is high quality - very professional - easy to understand - no B.S.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattRobson
    My list would include: (in order of importance)

    Kern - best free videos
    Dan Kennedy - simplest systems, mentor of kern
    Schefren - best free ebooks
    Eben Pagan
    Jeff Walker
    Jay Abraham
    John Reese
    Ewen Chia
    John Carleton and Gary Halpbert

    lesser known - Vishen Lakhani - works with Tony Robbins
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Shelest
    Guys I can't believe no one has mentioned Mark Ling, the guy is a fantastic and generous teacher. He runs Affilorama, which I find to be a great resource and not only for newbies in my opinion. I don't know how many people realise that he is not only one of the mist sought after JVs, but is also behind a ton of Clickbank products.

    I do also like George Brown, I don't know how genuine is his laidback style. I suspect it's just his IM persona, but who cares, his message is always clear, detailed and it works! Like I said, I like the guy.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearlydean
    I will add my two to the list - Dr Mani and Kevin Riley.

    I find Kevin Riley is a very funny guy and I can relate to his methods as he is superb at teaching product creation and video marketing (I purchased both courses from him and his support his excellent).

    Dr Mani is inspirational - if you don't know him he is a heart surgeon who operates on babies with heart defects and raises the money for the families who cannot afford it through his foundation and IM. He also starts from the basics in marketing and takes you through step by step without missing things out.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I learned from MARK LING from Affilorama.

    He taught me pretty much all I know about how to make money online.

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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Not to take this thread off the topic at hand, but why does WarriorForum constantly go to the concept that the first steps to success are paying a guru for information?

    Is this a side effect of the fact that the majority of the people who post here seem to make their money (or don't make money) selling Make Money Online information?

    This is the only forum that holds this belief so strongly, and this is also pretty much the home base of MMO info sellers. So there has to be a connection here.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    I guess I am surprised that Terry Dean isn't on 'the list'. I can understand that people like Perry Marshall and Glenn Livingston may be a little too 'niched' in their public personas and so easily over looked (in spite of the fact they are both excellent IMers and teachers, in my opinion), but Terry has been in the trenches (sometimes I don't think he ever left) and when it comes to best practices, to me, he is the best obvious choice!
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  • Profile picture of the author paul wolfe
    Gary Vaynerchuk is a guy well worth checking out - is he a guru? Who cares, he's a genuine guy with a ton of great information. Also Sean D'Souza was mentioned earlier in the thread. In my opinion you should do yourself a favour and go check him out - www.psychotactics.com. He's a very smart guy - and a great trainer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Johnson
      Originally Posted by paul wolfe View Post

      Gary Vaynerchuk is a guy well worth checking out - is he a guru? Who cares, he's a genuine guy with a ton of great information. Also Sean D'Souza was mentioned earlier in the thread. In my opinion you should do yourself a favour and go check him out - www.psychotactics.com. He's a very smart guy - and a great trainer.
      Hey Paul,

      I have been listing to Gary's "Crush It" audio book
      myself, it is powerful and motivational for sure.

      Good stuff...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jawshh
        Originally Posted by Brian Johnson View Post

        Hey Paul,

        I have been listing to Gary's "Crush It" audio book
        myself, it is powerful and motivational for sure.

        Good stuff...
        I didn't know you were a member here :p
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  • Profile picture of the author paul wolfe
    Hey Brian Yep. Gary is a really interesting guy. And he probably wouldn't call himself a guru. But as far as I know he still answers every one of his emails that he gets. And he's got a great way of communicating. He's also got a no b.s. attitude that I really like.
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  • Profile picture of the author defaultuser
    Everyone needs to have a general foundation. I do not feel this is something that should be expensive, but you need to get going and doing something. Spend a little money, keep track of what's happening, think about your market etc.

    You won't ever learn that until you try a few things first, and running to a Guru isn't one of them.

    The Warrior Forum is a great place to start. Look at what Gurus DO. That's the best basic education you can get.
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  • Profile picture of the author sacredhoops
    I am really enjoying and reading all this information that is being posted on this question. And a great question to be asking. But, how much does course or information on the average cost from the list that I continue to see. My guess it would be pretty expensive.

    I also find it interesting that several people offering coaching here, are sharing what seems there mentors or people they have at least learned from somewhat. I find that very very interesting!
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  • Profile picture of the author jdwfg4
    Unfortunately, I've found that some Guru's don't actually know what they are teaching, they are just describing what they've heard, so they can't really give specifics. So, they might be good teachers, they are just stretching their actual knowledge of the subject.

    The best of the best is Mike Hill in my opinion. He knows the biz top down and was and is still a huge marketer aside from Guru stuff. When someone's main income or business is not just selling to other marketers, that speaks volumes in my mind. The next would be Matt Harward. He's not even a Guru, but he's sold a couple things. This guy is so cutting edge, its unbelievable.

    Also, I wouldn't call him a Guru, but Vincent James is a very smart marketer granted most of his was offline marketing, his teachings apply still. I have given up on 90% of guru's in the "IM" niche to be honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Formulam
    Damian Benko - 4 Step System and Turn-key marketing

    He can teach and market - can't find the proper link to his stuff.

    http://tinyurl.com/33r6ots
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  • Profile picture of the author TJCarter
    Watch ya

    I made the mistake when l first started in IM of paying some so called guru to teach me how to make money online. In return of my hard earned cash l got some old useless information. When looking for a mentor makes sure you do your homework on them before departing with your cash.

    I got lucky. I came across a top UK internet marketer named Lee McIntyre. If you looking to create an info product then l would advice you to take a look at Lee McIntyre's site.

    If you looking to make money on the net by being a affiliate then l would advice you to look up PotPieGirl
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I can't believe this thread is still going.

    Making lists and labeling people is a waste of time.

    One mans Guru is another mans thief.

    There are so many successful people around that it's not hard to find someone to model or learn from if you're serious.

    Looking at who's launching make money products is not the way to find a suitable mentor/coach.

    When it comes to learning - everyone needs information to come to them in their own way.

    Sure you can generalize and cover your bases by saying/showing things in multiple ways so that it should get through to everyone, but to really learn well you need the information tailored to suit you - That's what being a great teacher is all about - understanding who the information is for and being flexible enough to adapt to that.

    Some people need very detailed step by step information - for others they won't follow that, they want the process and to do it their way.

    This is basic psychology and anyone who's had to manage/lead people will know that.

    Some of the people I've seen named in this thread - I would never go to to learn anything, and there are lots of people I would go to that aren't in this thread.

    If you're recommending someone to others and you've never even met them - all you can really say is that they were able to help you in whatever way they did. But that doesn't mean others would get the same experience - even if they received the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Just look at all of the names listed in this thread. Those of you who posted these people, can you name the projects that supposedly made these people so great? Of course not...

    And no, Make Money Online projects certainly do not count.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jawshh
    lol yea I agree, there are a lot of assholes who don't teach at all! Here's a list of people that actually teach:

    Frank Kern (Retired)
    Kim Roach
    Brian Johnson
    Mark Dulisse (not always reliable)
    Zeus66 (John Schwartz)

    I believe that's it! All others are scam artists in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author wendymay1
    The best marketing Gurus are those who provide the best system to help put money in your pockets in very limited quick speed time whatever that time might be. That Guru who helps make money money for me is the one who walks the talk.
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  • Profile picture of the author defaultuser
    I enjoy the style of a lot of the people on these lists, but honestly I didn't find anything that really helped me. Finally I found a guy to mentored me one on one, we made an information product together, and now I earn full-time income.

    There are more mentors around than you think, but they are hard to find.
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