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Unread 21st March 2010, 03:58 PM   #51
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Totally clear. Excellent points.

And that is exactly where I'm heading with my list.

I want to build a list of the best I.M. Gurus and what they teach. What I'm doing is like picking my professors at the university. "I want so-and-so for History because he's awesome. That other guy is boring. And I want Prof. X for Physics because he won a Nobel Prize and his students go on to get fantastic jobs. etc."

For example, I am currently taking Andy Jenkin's Video Boss course. It is outstanding. In my opinion (and I've been dabbling in Internet Video for a LONG time) Andy Jenkin's course is one of the best IM courses on video I've ever seen. It's amazing. Andy's a great Marketer and a great Teacher.

I'm also a long-term student of Frank Kern. In fact, I consider him my Mentor. He's awesome at marketing and his teaching style "fits" my learning style perfectly.

So, thanks for your comment and for your clarification. You rock!
BUT, of course the TRADE OFF is COST. The two people you mention adhere to the charge as much as possible philosophy, hence most people cannot afford their "mentoring fees".
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Unread 21st March 2010, 06:50 PM   #52
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I found Brian Johnson's Commission Ritual to be very helpful. I believe he would be considered a "guru".
I am a huge fan of Brian Johnson as well. His teaching style and SEO strategies are pretty much all I have been doing lately. Anyone from complete beginners to intermediate marketers can really benefit from his stuff.

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Unread 21st March 2010, 07:38 PM   #53
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anyone know of Jim Straw as a mentor?
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You know what they say about "those who can, do. Those who can't, teach"?

It's true in internet marketing too. The guys who are making millions from mainstream websites selling everyday products to mainstream people don't publicise their wealth, and they don't teach (teaching would sap their time and reduce their income).

The so-called internet gurus make their money solely from selling to noobs, who then find that the courses somehow don't translate into success at all (ie they wasted their money). The only reason the gurus brag about how much they make is so that they can lure some poor desperate person into buying their ebook or whatever they are selling.

There isn't any big secret to internet marketing.

1. Experiment with ideas on Squidoo and Hubpages. Use google's keyword tool to find keywords with traffic, but go with hunches too. But just throw up some lenses and hubs every week.

2. Of the lenses and hubs you've made, perhaps 10% will make you money. Part of the reason people don't have success is that they believe their couple of hubs should be enough. You really need a few hundred up to uncover the profitable ones. The profitable 10% are the ones to concentrate on. Build backlinks to these lenses and hubs. Also start up your own domain for this niche. When the lens and hub are rock solid due to the backlinks you have been building to them, then point them at your new domain. Start building other links to the new site and watch it gain traffic and sales.

3. Rinse and repeat.

Lots of internet marketing is trial and error. If you added up all the time people spend chasing this or that guru and think about what they would have achieved if they simply got down and experimented, it's frightening.
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I haven't seen anybody else doing such a great job teaching newbies like the crew of the 30 Day Challenge (Ed Dale, Guru Bog, Dan...) and I have to say that Cris Farrell is also doing an outstanding job teaching newbies how to make money online and more importantly how to build a business.

When it comes to advanced online marketing, I like the teaching style of Frank Kern, Eben Pegan, Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher and recently I checked some of Lee Mcintyre's stuff and he's also doing a great job.

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I've been learning from everyone in the Warrior Forum. MarketingSPY tought me a lot.
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This thread is the most awkward thing I have seen on the internet lately, it started as some kind of "those who teach should not be teaching if they are not super stars at doing what they teach", then it degenerated to some kind of "tell me who you believe to be the best millionaires gurus who can also teach", "people" seem to look for this thread to comment on it and bump it up for not clear reason at all, the guy who created this thread has some kind of trusted guru site which does not make much sense to me at all.

This is to much of a weird thread for my taste, I am out of here!

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Unread 22nd March 2010, 05:58 PM   #58
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"people" seem to look for this thread to comment on it and bump it up for not clear reason at all
Dude, if you're insinuating that I'm using fake accounts to artificially bump the thread, sorry to disappoint you...that's not happening. I don't do that kind of thing.

What would be the point of doing that with this thread anyway?

This is an honest inquiry. Simple discussion about a subject I think is interesting. Nothing more.

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Unread 22nd March 2010, 06:23 PM   #59
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I taught high school and college so if I can't teach then I wasted
a lot of people's time. I've never had a complain from my copy
students so I guess they would vouch for my ability to make
the complex simple.

It's interesting that some of the names that have been listed
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Hi Peter,

Thank you for this thread.

Having a list like is great. There are many names here that are new to me and I'm looking forward to learning more about their offerings.

Today I was wondering, are there Guru's out there, based on your experience, that you can recommend?

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There are Internet Marketing "Gurus" and there are people out there who are excellent Internet Marketing "Teachers."

The well-known Gurus are excellent marketers.

And sometimes they are also excellent Teachers.

Unfortunately, sometimes a Guru is only good at Marketing. When it comes time to actually teach--they aren't very proficient.

I think that if a Guru can't teach, they shouldn't be marketing their teachings. Harsh. I know.

But wait! There's more...

By the same token, sometimes good Teachers suck at Marketing.

I think if a Teacher can't Market, they shouldn't be Teaching Internet Marketing. If you can't do-don't try and teach. (Man I hate it when another newbie sets up a "how to make money online" site.) I know. I'm insensitive.

But I'm also genuinely curious...

In YOUR opinion, who are the best Internet Marketing Gurus who are good at Marketing and also good at Teaching?

Who makes your "A-List" for I.M. Gurus?

(By the way, I'm NOT interested in who you think is bad. Just who you think is good.)

Thanks for your time and your valuable opinion.

P.S. No ulterior motive here. I'm not launching anything or creating a product with this. I'm seriously just curious because I want to buy some courses and I want to buy the best ones.
Nice post.

You just summed up the basis of my career:

A good marketer who can also teach.

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Adeel Chowdhry is a good one. He takes you step by step.

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I have my Masters in Education so when I read marketing material I really notice if the "teacher" did a good job. Is there a good introduction? Are the objectives clear and easy to follow? Does the material have closure?

So many times I will read a report that is supposed to explain something and it skips steps.

Lisa Parmley's Inline SEO course is perfection. She is a natural teacher and knows her stuff. Her material is presented in both video and reports.
Xfactors Adsense report is a great example of a step by step blueprint
And Casey Gentles free report Newbies Fast Cash Guide is great.

Learning styles do vary from one person to the next. I would prefer to read material but others would rather watch videos. Some work better learning alone and some need more structure. So different teachers for different styles also.
I agree with this...having knowledge and experience in something does not mean we can teach that thing to someone efectively..teaching is another skill to master...I have a good interest in education.

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When people ask me this kind of question I always say: Lee McIntyre.

Before I start making a living online I purchased many courses from several different gurus. They me gave some useful information, but always had something missing. I just started making serious money online after learning from Lee McIntyre. His is the guy who actually showed me how to make money online. Actually, I think that you can learn more from the free videos that he posts on his blog than from the expensive courses that the other gurus are selling.


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Unread 29th March 2010, 02:37 AM   #66
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Chris Farrell is actually a Newbie ..... He just found his niche and got on with it - quickly!

So if you only want 'A-List' Guru's then you may be disappointed.

Many of them actually are not very good teachers, but are good marketers.... big difference.

Dollars mean more to them than quality content. They would much rather boast about themselves than teach anyone anything of any substance..... for no cost or low cost.

Again, this depends on which aspect of IM you are really interested in as each one that has been mentioned so far has their own speciality in what they focus on.

MARKETING itself is only one word, but it has a LOT of different directions you can go.

So, to bundle IM into one big bag of fish is not going to make you any the wiser.

Focus, staying focused, mastering one aspect at a time is the only way to go. Once each step is mastered, then you can move onto the next.

Spreading yourself too thin on a number of things can (and does) only lead to someone chasing their tail.

So, there is not a bundled product that can save you. There is no IM 'Bible'.

You need to focus on EXACTLY what you want to learn at any given stage and then source products/courses/manuals or 'blueprints' (blah) that can interest you for their content and the way it is delivered, despite the author.

The internet is an ever-changing, ever-evolving organism. What works today may not work in 3 months time, let alone next year.

Just look at the way Google changes it's 'algorithms' to push/drop top ten results, whenever they feel like it.

For Me, the people whom I have learned the most off in the past 2 years (for current focused IM) are:

Dave Lovelace (Warrior) NO BS Style!
Kevin Riley (Warrior) Also moonlights as a lab rat
Chris Farrell (Genius)
Ray Johnson (Wheelie Warrior)

These guys tell it like it is. No need to think outside the square.. you are already sitting in a big box.

What I have found is that there is not really much new on the net with reference to IM. It's a lot of old material in a new package reloaded hyped up blah blah blah.

Ya gotta shovel a lotta coal to find a diamond.

If you ask these guys who taught them what they know.... maybe you might find a good teacher.


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Unread 29th March 2010, 02:42 AM   #67
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Unfortunately all too often I see "Gurus" better at selling and creating hype than at the actual process of teaching what they are promising to teach through their selling.

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I've learned long ago, that most successful people get to where they are, not because they've had a good teacher (although that helps) but because they are a good learner. Sometimes a teacher may not be great. But as a good learner you should be able to extrapolate knowledge from any teacher, as long as they are putting it out there.

So having said that, I choose to learn from those that have done, or are doing - AND are successful. I don't care if they're a good teacher or not. As long as they are honest and are putting it all out there. Some gurus have success, and have proven their success, but the methods they teach are not the same methods they're using themselves. As a good learner, you should be able to figure that out.

On the other end there are some that seem to teach a great method, but you'll see them making posts with headlines like "what the heck am I doing wrong?" or "why am I not making money?". If they were such great teachers, then they'd be using the method themselves.

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I'm very very surprised Ken McCarthy hasn't made the list. Please add his name in there. I can think of a couple more but I won't hog the limelight.
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Unread 29th March 2010, 04:24 AM   #71
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I personally would like to suggest Armand Morin too.

He is one of the best in IM.
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Unread 29th March 2010, 03:21 PM   #72
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Gotta give a shout out to Perry Marshall. List wouldn't be complete without his name!
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I think Steve Clayton is a great teacher - everything I have seen by him is high quality - very professional - easy to understand - no B.S.
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My list would include: (in order of importance)

Kern - best free videos
Dan Kennedy - simplest systems, mentor of kern
Schefren - best free ebooks
Eben Pagan
Jeff Walker
Jay Abraham
John Reese
Ewen Chia
John Carleton and Gary Halpbert

lesser known - Vishen Lakhani - works with Tony Robbins

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My vote goes to James Schramko.

He's a great teacher, gives away heaps of value for free and the caliber of his paid courses is unrivaled by any courses I've been to. Plus he holds the best course here in Australia, which is great for people on this side of the world!

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Guys I can't believe no one has mentioned Mark Ling, the guy is a fantastic and generous teacher. He runs Affilorama, which I find to be a great resource and not only for newbies in my opinion. I don't know how many people realise that he is not only one of the mist sought after JVs, but is also behind a ton of Clickbank products.

I do also like George Brown, I don't know how genuine is his laidback style. I suspect it's just his IM persona, but who cares, his message is always clear, detailed and it works! Like I said, I like the guy.
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I know this is an old thread, but I have a question.

I am new to the Warrior Forum and here in this thread and in many other places, I keep seeing the names "Don & Jeremy".

I did a search, but didn't find out who "Don & Jeremy" are. Can anyone enlighten me? They seem to be very well respected and I would like to learn more. Any links to them or their material would be appreciated!!
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I will add my two to the list - Dr Mani and Kevin Riley.

I find Kevin Riley is a very funny guy and I can relate to his methods as he is superb at teaching product creation and video marketing (I purchased both courses from him and his support his excellent).

Dr Mani is inspirational - if you don't know him he is a heart surgeon who operates on babies with heart defects and raises the money for the families who cannot afford it through his foundation and IM. He also starts from the basics in marketing and takes you through step by step without missing things out.

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I learned from MARK LING from Affilorama.

He taught me pretty much all I know about how to make money online.

He's a great guy and one of the clickbank masters!

Check out Affilorama's free stuff, you learn so much for free!

Highly recommended for a newbie.

It's not useful if you know anything about SEO or PPC, but it's great for newbies.
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Not to take this thread off the topic at hand, but why does WarriorForum constantly go to the concept that the first steps to success are paying a guru for information?

Is this a side effect of the fact that the majority of the people who post here seem to make their money (or don't make money) selling Make Money Online information?

This is the only forum that holds this belief so strongly, and this is also pretty much the home base of MMO info sellers. So there has to be a connection here.
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Joe aka Happy Warrior, for Offline business systems.

Of all the offline busness models his is the most precise and clear cut of them all from what I have seen.

Plus his unwavering after sales support would be hard to beat in any field.

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Paul Myers, Kelly Felix, Mike Long are three great ones to start out with !!
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I guess I am surprised that Terry Dean isn't on 'the list'. I can understand that people like Perry Marshall and Glenn Livingston may be a little too 'niched' in their public personas and so easily over looked (in spite of the fact they are both excellent IMers and teachers, in my opinion), but Terry has been in the trenches (sometimes I don't think he ever left) and when it comes to best practices, to me, he is the best obvious choice!

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Gary Vaynerchuk is a guy well worth checking out - is he a guru? Who cares, he's a genuine guy with a ton of great information. Also Sean D'Souza was mentioned earlier in the thread. In my opinion you should do yourself a favour and go check him out - www.psychotactics.com. He's a very smart guy - and a great trainer.
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I am a huge fan of Brian Johnson as well. His teaching style and SEO strategies are pretty much all I have been doing lately. Anyone from complete beginners to intermediate marketers can really benefit from his stuff.

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Gary Vaynerchuk is a guy well worth checking out - is he a guru? Who cares, he's a genuine guy with a ton of great information. Also Sean D'Souza was mentioned earlier in the thread. In my opinion you should do yourself a favour and go check him out - www.psychotactics.com. He's a very smart guy - and a great trainer.
Hey Paul,

I have been listing to Gary's "Crush It" audio book
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Hey Brian Yep. Gary is a really interesting guy. And he probably wouldn't call himself a guru. But as far as I know he still answers every one of his emails that he gets. And he's got a great way of communicating. He's also got a no b.s. attitude that I really like.
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Everyone needs to have a general foundation. I do not feel this is something that should be expensive, but you need to get going and doing something. Spend a little money, keep track of what's happening, think about your market etc.

You won't ever learn that until you try a few things first, and running to a Guru isn't one of them.

The Warrior Forum is a great place to start. Look at what Gurus DO. That's the best basic education you can get.
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I know this is an old thread, but I have a question.

I am new to the Warrior Forum and here in this thread and in many other places, I keep seeing the names "Don & Jeremy".

I did a search, but didn't find out who "Don & Jeremy" are. Can anyone enlighten me? They seem to be very well respected and I would like to learn more. Any links to them or their material would be appreciated!!
Don = zerofill
Jeremy = Jeremy Kelsall

Warrior Forum user names for each. Their blog is here: Don and Jeremy - Internet Marketing Blog

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I am really enjoying and reading all this information that is being posted on this question. And a great question to be asking. But, how much does course or information on the average cost from the list that I continue to see. My guess it would be pretty expensive.

I also find it interesting that several people offering coaching here, are sharing what seems there mentors or people they have at least learned from somewhat. I find that very very interesting!
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Unfortunately, I've found that some Guru's don't actually know what they are teaching, they are just describing what they've heard, so they can't really give specifics. So, they might be good teachers, they are just stretching their actual knowledge of the subject.

The best of the best is Mike Hill in my opinion. He knows the biz top down and was and is still a huge marketer aside from Guru stuff. When someone's main income or business is not just selling to other marketers, that speaks volumes in my mind. The next would be Matt Harward. He's not even a Guru, but he's sold a couple things. This guy is so cutting edge, its unbelievable.

Also, I wouldn't call him a Guru, but Vincent James is a very smart marketer granted most of his was offline marketing, his teachings apply still. I have given up on 90% of guru's in the "IM" niche to be honest.


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Damian Benko - 4 Step System and Turn-key marketing

He can teach and market - can't find the proper link to his stuff.

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Watch ya

I made the mistake when l first started in IM of paying some so called guru to teach me how to make money online. In return of my hard earned cash l got some old useless information. When looking for a mentor makes sure you do your homework on them before departing with your cash.

I got lucky. I came across a top UK internet marketer named Lee McIntyre. If you looking to create an info product then l would advice you to take a look at Lee McIntyre's site.

If you looking to make money on the net by being a affiliate then l would advice you to look up PotPieGirl
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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Making lists and labeling people is a waste of time.

One mans Guru is another mans thief.

There are so many successful people around that it's not hard to find someone to model or learn from if you're serious.

Looking at who's launching make money products is not the way to find a suitable mentor/coach.

When it comes to learning - everyone needs information to come to them in their own way.

Sure you can generalize and cover your bases by saying/showing things in multiple ways so that it should get through to everyone, but to really learn well you need the information tailored to suit you - That's what being a great teacher is all about - understanding who the information is for and being flexible enough to adapt to that.

Some people need very detailed step by step information - for others they won't follow that, they want the process and to do it their way.

This is basic psychology and anyone who's had to manage/lead people will know that.

Some of the people I've seen named in this thread - I would never go to to learn anything, and there are lots of people I would go to that aren't in this thread.

If you're recommending someone to others and you've never even met them - all you can really say is that they were able to help you in whatever way they did. But that doesn't mean others would get the same experience - even if they received the same thing.

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Just look at all of the names listed in this thread. Those of you who posted these people, can you name the projects that supposedly made these people so great? Of course not...

And no, Make Money Online projects certainly do not count.
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lol yea I agree, there are a lot of assholes who don't teach at all! Here's a list of people that actually teach:

Frank Kern (Retired)
Kim Roach
Brian Johnson
Mark Dulisse (not always reliable)
Zeus66 (John Schwartz)

I believe that's it! All others are scam artists in my opinion.

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I have been listing to Gary's "Crush It" audio book
myself, it is powerful and motivational for sure.

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Judging from Eben Pagan's free stuff (and he put out A LOT) he seems to be the absolute king of teaching. He's an idol of mine.
I second that. Eben is the man!

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The best marketing Gurus are those who provide the best system to help put money in your pockets in very limited quick speed time whatever that time might be. That Guru who helps make money money for me is the one who walks the talk.

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