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Anyone Know About the "Junk Writer" Ghostwriter?

by Emmanuel Betinis
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He seems like a credible enough guy by his website and promotional
video. I was very impressed.

However, I was a tad DEpressed when I discovered he wasn't anywhere
to be found here, nor did I find anyone talking about him on the forum.

Sure, he's a ghostwriter, so that explains a bit as to why I can't
find out much about him, but with this place being the #1 Internet
Marketing forum for almost 15 years now I would think at least a
thread or two would mention him somewhere along the way of all
those years. Especially for a guy that claims to have been writing
long before the internet was even around.

I found nothing on the guy.

So, either TODAY or in the future when someone finds this by
using a search feature, can you shed some insight into this guy?
Have you used him? Heard of him? I'd appreciate all your thoughts
and opinions!
#ghostwriter #junk writer #writer
  • Profile picture of the author InternetSuccess001
    Do you have a link to his website? I haven't heard that specific 'name', but perhaps he/she uses another pseudonym...
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  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
    His website is E-Books | Ghostwriting | Junkwriter
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    • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
      Originally Posted by Emmanuel Betinis View Post

      Thanks Emmanuel, I'll take a look.
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      • Profile picture of the author Junkwriter
        What is a preposition? I knew I should have gone beyond that pesky grade 8.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Junkwriter View Post

          What is a preposition?
          It's like a preposal, only dirtier.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetSuccess001
    Well... I'd say it would be worth looking into his services... While the website is fairly new, it is possible that he is new to 'marketing' his services online... From what he wrote/how he presents himself, it seems believable...
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  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
    I agree. He did a very good job on his video.

    Now, back to the OP...

    Has anyone used this guy before? I'm just looking
    for references - when I eMailed him asking for them
    he said     the nature of ghostwriting is such that the majority
    of his works reflect someone elses name...so I guess that
    was a "No, I can't give you any references."
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    • Profile picture of the author lisag
      Originally Posted by Emmanuel Betinis View Post

      I agree. He did a very good job on his video.

      Now, back to the OP...

      Has anyone used this guy before? I'm just looking
      for references - when I eMailed him asking for them
      he said       the nature of ghostwriting is such that the majority
      of his works reflect someone elses name...so I guess that
      was a "No, I can't give you any references."
      I've been ghostwriting for 10 years and I have plenty of references. I'd be a bit suspicious of the "I'm in the CIA but I can't prove it" claim.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Do you stick your head up the cow's ass before you buy a steak?
      Ken, no, I don't, but as you say in your blog:

      All sales are built on three things: money, need, and trust.


      I have the       money & the need.

      However, for me, as the prospect, I'm still not a converted client
      yet because the trust element isn't strong enough. And as I'm
      sure you already know, social proof can provide adequate levels
      of trust for a prospect in order to go ahead with the deal and
      convert over into a paying customer.

      Sure, different prospects will require varying amounts of
      trust needed in order to convert over into buyers. When
      I was in direct sales, having wallpaper up and clean floors
      in our office was enough credibility for some clients to
      purchase whereas others needed to hear several
      third-party stories (social proof) that catered
      to their Dominant Buying Motives along with
      how we were in Forbes & Fortune magazine.

      I just happen to be the type of prospect that
      needs more trust built into me before hiring
      someone for an $800 eBook other than just
      a few article samples. That's all.

      I do really like steak, though. A medium-rare
      Porterhouse...mMmMmMm...looks nice, eh?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Perhaps you should just move on to another writer. Or post your job on elance (you only award it if you find a good writer) and get bids from many and see their feedback and comments from previous work they've done.

        You can't form trust from looking at a web site. If you want this guy - arrange to call and talk to him.

        You are setting a price on the project - but he may not work for that price. Better not to form conclusions until you make some contact.

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      • Profile picture of the author lisag
        Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

        Good to see someone on this forum with a sense of humor. You know the guy writes in an engaging style. Call him up and see if the two of you can come to terms you both can live with.

        On a side note. I am mystified as to why anyone would write an ebook for hire. Why wouldn't they just write it and market it themselves?

        I see people all the time who want people to write their marketing copy as well as their product. It makes no sense to me.
        I write ebooks for other people because it provides an income opportunity with no risk and none of the requirements to advertise, market, sell and respond to customer service issues.

        Neat and clean. Research, write, edit, proof and get paid.
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        • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
          Originally Posted by lisag View Post

          I write ebooks for other people because it provides an income opportunity with no risk and none of the requirements to advertise, market, sell and respond to customer service issues.

          Neat and clean. Research, write, edit and proof.

          Well, Ken, there's your answer.

          Makes sense to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Junkwriter
            Well I must say I am flattered - a bunch 'o' people chattin' about me!

            Cole Melville here - AKA the Junkwriter. Thank you for the compliments on the website and video.

            Just to clarify the "real deal" about me.

            Yes I am a writer. In the "real world" I am called a hack. On the internet my stuff is usually considered decent. The majority of my work is from referrals or repeat clients which is why I don't advertise (or socialize) much online. See my Facebook? One friend. I guess I should really get out more.

            One of the posts above alludes to the fact I was looking for a writer. Its true - I sometimes have too many projects and will on occasion outsource to others. I am upfront with my clients to this fact beforehand.

            The bad -- I do drink like a madman, I am a pain in the butt to deal with, will often miss deadlines and sometimes can't be found for days at a time. My spelling is lousy, my grammar is substandard, but hey - this is the internets!

            Bottom line - for certain projects I am a great fit. For many projects I am NOT the ideal candidate. But one thing you will always get is honesty.

            Unless I am really drunk then I lie through my teeth.

            Peace!
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Junkwriter View Post

              The bad -- I do drink like a madman, I am a pain in the butt to deal with, will often miss deadlines and sometimes can't be found for days at a time. My spelling is lousy, my grammar is substandard, but hey - this is the internets!

              Bottom line - for certain projects I am a great fit. For many projects I am NOT the ideal candidate. But one thing you will always get is honesty.
              Sounds like me. I like this guy.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                Sounds like me. I like this guy.
                You beat me to it. I thought maybe he was you incognito.

                Heck, maybe he is...
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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

                  You beat me to it. I thought maybe he was you incognito.

                  Heck, maybe he is...
                  Good God, there is no way I would ever stoop to lousy spelling and substandard grammar. Do you have any idea how much I have to fight the impulse to twist and contort sentences so they won't end with a preposition?

                  It took me over 25 years to figure out nobody else cares anyway, and the lack of readability when you do that is something up with which one should never be expected to put.

                  But I still hate using technically-incorrect structure, and a part of me shivers every time I have to.

                  See? Dammit. I hate doing that.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                    Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                    Good God, there is no way I would ever stoop to lousy spelling and substandard grammar. Do you have any idea how much I have to fight the impulse to twist and contort sentences so they won't end with a preposition?

                    It took me over 25 years to figure out nobody else cares anyway, and the lack of readability when you do that is something up with which one should never be expected to put.

                    But I still hate using technically-incorrect structure, and a part of me shivers every time I have to.

                    See? Dammit. I hate doing that.
                    Of course, if you were strongly determined to keep your identities distinct, you would write that. So, you've really done nothing to prove your case.

                    Mind you, I am reasonably certain you and Ghostwriter are not the same person, because I'm sure it would have slipped out during one of your episodes on FNC.
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                  • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
                    Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                    Do you have any idea how much I have to fight the impulse to twist and contort sentences so they won't end with a preposition? It took me over 25 years to figure out nobody else cares anyway, and the lack of readability when you do that is something up with which one should never be expected to put.
                    Thank God I'm not the only one who struggles with this...thank you thank you thank you, I feel better knowing I'm not alone in my grammatical torture chamber.

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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Interesting. Can't say that I know anything about him. His website is quite good, and enticing, as far as I can see.

    If you can't find any references for him, you either have to take a chance or just find a ghosewriter in the Warriors For Hire section or the Warrior Forum Classified Ads section of this site. There are a lot of good writers there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      I would be careful. Googling Junkwriter reveals very little - mostly ads he placed for work and one where he's trying to get a writer to help him. His real name is Cole Melville and that reveals even less information.

      The other odd thing that I noticed is that all his samples say copyright 2010 on the bottom - even ones that supposedly are excerpts from other works. I thought it was odd not to have anything dated prior to 2010 if you've been writing for 17 years plus I don't see how he would have any legal copyright on some of those samples.

      Not saying he's not on the up and up but I'd be wary.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I think it's totally wrong to expect all writers to be on the WF. There are many excellent writers who have no interest in writing in the IM field with its focus on cheap writing and hyped sales pages. You might find them on writer's forums but they would have no interest in being here.

        He has a lot of samples - some were quite good, some a bit dry - there's enough for you to see if you like his writing style.

        There's a way to get a quote for pricing.

        He doesn't need a bells and whistles website - just a location online where he can send contacts perhaps. I have NDA's with several clients - and no ghostwriter is going to list his clients (if he wants to keep them).

        As for the copyright - he may have only put the site up recently or he may update his copyright date every year. There are some site owners that do that, too.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Emmanuel,

    I don't think it's unusual for a ghostwriter to have "non disclosure" agreements with their clients. I have had several clients over the last year and a half, that have insisted on an NDA. Consequently, even casually mentioning their name could be very expensive for me.

    No I haven't used the 'JunkWriter', but I have to say one thing his sample articles were great. His style of writing was entertaining and rang true from the first word.

    His article on the Drunk Fighter reminded me of my much younger and foolish days.

    I suspect strongly after reading the many samples he put up there, it would be more than worth your time to contact him/her for the pricing structure and determine if you are a good fit for each other. There comes a time in every business you have to take a chance on a product or service. In this case it's a 50/50 chance, in my opinion.

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  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
    You guys and gals are all really great and
    brought up excellent points.

    I appreciate the time you took to type
    your answers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    Hi Emmanuel,

    It is not unusual to not find anything about writers. That is why they are ghostwriters to begin with. They do not reveal their names in the articles that they do.

    You can pretty much gauge his abilities through his samples. From there, you can take a trial project to see how he will do.

    But of course, it will still depend on you if you are comfortable in hiring someone that you know nothing about. Some people who want to simply get their articles done for a lower price do this. But if you are one of those people who wants quality, then you should go for a writer who knows what he or she is doing. That is if you have the budget for that.

    But for starters, you can always look at our fellow warriors who have their services for sale. Just go here. Warriors for Hire.

    Best of luck to your business.

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  • Profile picture of the author numba8
    site says he's book for the next year! he must be good haha
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkWrites
    Do your research, make contact, weigh the pros and cons... and then just go with your gut. At some point, every business relationship was started with the first deal between two parties. If everybody froze in their tracks because of the great unknown, none of us would get anything done... ever.
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