I Really Wish I Could Transfer Some Posts To Blogs...

[admin]

Some of our members here seem to be confused as to what this forum section is about.

It's about MONEY. Specifically MAKING Money....

Before you post, ask yourself if your post wouldn't be better suited to a blog post. If it would be, then please do that. Either on a blog here or a blog on your own site.

I think we've had enough of the rantings and philosophy to last us a while...


I'm watching you boy!

[Michael Mayo]

Lol... Love the Simile Allen...

I agree with you 100%

The ranting is just too demotivating and distracting.

I need positive reinforcement when I visit

Great Post and very Good point!

Thanks,
Have a Great Day!
Michael

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by admin

It's about MONEY. Specifically MAKING Money....

I'm so glad you posted that Allen.. it should save
a lot of time if it helps to cut out the off topic rants
and self absorbed crap.

Thanks

John

[admin]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

I'm so glad you posted that Allen.. it should save
a lot of time if it helps to cut out the off topic rants
and self absorbed crap.

Thanks

John

It'll help or we'll help it. I'm trying to be gentle about it in my old age :-)

[flnz400]

Thank God someone finally came out of the woodwork! Almost half of the posts in this forum have nothing to do with amassing any income whatsoever.

So much so, that I often do not participate, as it zaps creative energy and action.

Strategy and Action required for production? Who woulda thunk it?

[Mark McWilliams]

...Someone should create a vB plugin which basically says, move this users thread, to their blog instead! - Then all the replies get turned into comments!

You'd probably have a field day Allen!

(Am I just acting plain and utter stupid now?!)

It's the thought and idea that counts though.

Thanks
Mark

[lgibbon]

Well said Allen.
They are becoming very tedious.

[admin]

Originally Posted by Mark McWilliams

...Someone should create a vB plugin which basically says, move this users thread, to their blog instead! - Then all the replies get turned into comments!

You'd probably have a field day Allen!

(Am I just acting plain and utter stupid now?!)

It's the thought and idea that counts though.

Thanks
Mark

No actually that's not a bad idea, not at all. I think some hacker could pull that off. The button to do that would have to be available only to admins but it's a good idea. One touch cleanup :-)

[KarlWarren]

I was going to ask:

"Who moved the off topic forum"

I'm probably guilty of the occasional off topic thread here, but I haven't posted a lot recently - there doesn't seem to be much to comment on with all the off topic stuff here.

Fair enough, the "economic crisis" is newsworthy, but 30 threads about it in a day is ridiculous. It's almost as if people have forgotten how to make money...

Until my bank closes down with all my money in it, I couldn't give a rat's rectum about the "crisis" - I'm just going to keep making money and bucking the trend.

Allen, a very timely reminder.

[admin]

Rat's Rectum <-- That's what I'm saying :-)

That should be a domain name..LOL!

[Steven Wagenheim]

Allen, first of all, I want to offer my personal apology if I've contributed to
this problem. I know I occasionally make a post here that is probably best
made elsewhere or not at all. I do try to keep most of my stuff relevant and
on the topic of making money.

A simple solution is this.

If members see a post that they feel doesn't belong in main discussion, they
should report it.

Eventually, if enough posts are deleted, people will get the message.

Me included.

Sorry for my contribution to this mess.

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Eventually, if enough posts are deleted, people will get the message.

That's the problem Steve,
They don't.

[Diana Lane]

Perhaps you could show some kind of message to people who are on the point of posting?

'STOP! CAUTION! As a potential contributor, you are advised that failing to provide true value will result in our resident Postbot chewing up your hard drive and barfing it out through your CD ROM tray. Can your post really help you or others make money?'

Just an idea. Clearly, the message needs some work

[Rod Cortez]

Allen, your post gets my vote for a "30 day sticky".

[primuskannan]

Perhaps a rant and philosophical sub section.

Wish we had that sticky from the old main forum " How can this forum make you $50,000 or more....... Very Inspiring that was.

Kulasekaran.

[Mark McWilliams]

Originally Posted by admin

No actually that's not a bad idea, not at all. I think some hacker could pull that off. The button to do that would have to be available only to admins but it's a good idea. One touch cleanup :-)

Yay!

Now who is going to code it up then? I've never even used vBulletin before, so your asking the wrong guy! Allen, why don't you see what your team of Monkey's can do? (I don't really mean monkeys, honest, it's just that your the Monkey God!)

...I wouldn't actually mind seeing an idea of mine build! HEHE

Thanks
Mark

[Frank Bruno]

I thought I wasn't the only one that was seeing things...

In the last few weeks I haven't been replying to as many posts as I normally would because there's not as much substance to the posts as I'm used to reading in the forum. Not all, but quite a few.

Now, I wasn't sure if I was the only one who was seeing the same thing.

However what I have noticed is that it seems as if the participation is down quite a bit in the last few weeks from a lot warriors who normally contribute on a regular basis.

I wasn't sure if it was related to the downturn to the economy or if it was related to the types of posts that were being made and not as many people were responding.


Anyways Allan thanks for bringing this to light in the forum and hopefully we can get it resolved or find a solution to keep the integrity of the forum.

Frank Bruno

[Peter Bestel]

I'm probably guilty of posting one or two threads that border on philosophical but I always attempt to have an underlying motive of helping people make more money.

But it's a point well made Allen and I'm listening.

Peter

[Dave Allen]

Originally Posted by primuskannan

Perhaps a rant and philosophical sub section.

Kulasekaran.

That would be the "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest" forum... er... I mean "The Off Topic" forum.

All kidding aside! That's where those types of threads should be posted. IMHO.

[Alan Petersen]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

That's the problem Steve,
They don't.

Yep they'll just start a new post..."why was my post about the meaning of life deleted--you anti-freedom of speech bastage".

Good to see we're all being watched to keep these posts in the main forum on track. That's the reason for the off-topic section anyway.

[sylviad]

It certainly will help to stay focused here - and I, too, must admit I've probably broken the rule.

In my limited experience in the "Off Topic" and other forums, it seems that they do not get sufficient responses to bring sufficient feedback. The Warriors with all the best advice seem to spend more time in the main forum. This might have something to do with people posting off-topic threads to the main section. I know I've considered putting a few recent posts over there, but when I read the description of the off-topic forum, my topic didn't seem to quite fit.

Maybe if more Warriors visited those other sections, they would get used more readily. And maybe if the description of those sections was clearer...

Just my opinion, of course.

Sylvia

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by sylviad

It certainly will help to stay focused here - and I, too, must admit I've probably broken the rule.

In my limited experience in the "Off Topic" and other forums, it seems that they do not get sufficient responses to bring sufficient feedback. The Warriors with all the best advice seem to spend more time in the main forum. This might have something to do with people posting off-topic threads to the main section. I know I've considered putting a few recent posts over there, but when I read the description of the off-topic forum, my topic didn't seem to quite fit.

Maybe if more Warriors visited those other sections, they would get used more readily. And maybe if the description of those sections was clearer...

Just my opinion, of course.

Sylvia

Sylvia, you've really hit on the main problem. Look at the main page at
the number of people in each section.

You will find that the Main Discussion and WSO sections are the most
frequented. As a matter of fact, here are the numbers right now as we
speak.

Main Discussion 381
WSO 458
Classifieds 32
Ad Networks 10
Mind Warriors 10
Copywriting 19
Adsense 14
Product Reviews 39
War Room 32
Programming 8
Web Design 5
For Hire 3
PIFP 59
MMO 2
JVs 4
OT 31
Local Meetings 2

Anything I've left out has 0.

As you can see, we hang out in 2 places here.

Until that changes, people are going to post their questions and concerns
in Main Discussion.

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Until that changes, people are going to post their questions and concerns
in Main Discussion.

Have you considered that starting threads that are not
specifically about making money does nothing but
clutter up the main forum?

Those of us who are busy making money don't have the
time to wade through all the philosophical, ranting, whining
crap.

If the forum wants to benefit from the solid, experienced
contributors.. then make it easy for them by keeping the
main forum on topic.

John

[Eric Lorence]

Originally Posted by admin

Some of our members here seem to be confused as to what this forum section is about.

It's about MONEY. Specifically MAKING Money....

Before you post, ask yourself if your post wouldn't be better suited to a blog post. If it would be, then please do that. Either on a blog here or a blog on your own site.

I think we've had enough of the rantings and philosophy to last us a while...


I'm watching you boy!

Would not a "How To" section be more useful?

And quite popular?

IHO, Best!

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

Have you considered that starting threads that are not
specifically about making money does nothing but
clutter up the main forum?

Those of us who are busy making money don't have the
time to wade through all the philosophical, ranting, whining
crap.

If the forum wants to benefit from the solid, experienced
contributors.. then make it easy for them by keeping the
main forum on topic.

John

John, I actually agree with you.

Here's the problem though.

Sam Smith has a problem. It's not directly related to making money and
he knows it belongs in OT but if he posts it there, he knows it's not going
to be answered.

This leaves him with only one recourse...to go elsewhere other than this
forum.

Personally, I think that's sad when I always felt we prided ourselves on
helping others when they needed help...even if it wasn't directly related
to making money.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong. I'm just trying to see another point
of view here.

I'd hate to see a day come when I am in dire straits and I need the help
of somebody here but because it's not directly related to making money,
I have to post it in OT and pray somebody finds it and responds to it.

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

Have you considered that starting threads that are not
specifically about making money does nothing but
clutter up the main forum?

Those of us who are busy making money don't have the
time to wade through all the philosophical, ranting, whining
crap.

If the forum wants to benefit from the solid, experienced
contributors.. then make it easy for them by keeping the
main forum on topic.

John

Well put John.
Hit the nail right on the head.

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Sam Smith has a problem. It's not directly related to making money and
he knows it belongs in OT but if he posts it there, he knows it's not going
to be answered.

So Sam Smith thinks, to hell with the rules,
I'm going to have my say anyway.

Who gives a toss if 90% of the forum don't want to read
this sort of post.

As long as half a dozen reply "Wow great post again Sam"
that's just fine.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

So Sam Smith thinks, to hell with the rules,
I'm going to have my say anyway.

Who gives a toss if 90% of the forum don't want to read
this sort of post.

As long as half a dozen reply "Wow great post again Sam"
that's just fine.

Les I'm not talking about somebody making a "great post". I'm talking
about somebody saying "Hey guys, I have a serious problem here. Can you
help me out?"

So in other words, the hell with this person? Let him go get his problem
solved at some other forum or by his mommy and daddy?

If that's what this forum is about, I think it's sad.

[Lance K]

Tell me again...what's this thread have to do with MAKING MONEY???



Oh snap, I'm gonna get Monkey Slapped.

j/k

Anyway, I agree, Allen. And it needed to be said.

And I was part of the problem recently with my new baby thread. I knew I probably shoulda put it in off topic but got excited and posted it in the Main Forum. I wouldn't be offended in the least if an admin wanted to move it to the Off Topic Forum. Sorry I didn't do it in the first place.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Steve,

I don't think that is what Allen had in mind when he made this thread, but maybe he did? Not really sure.

I took it as he did not want the "rant" threads and others like it that had absolutely no marketing value to them.

If we went by the guidelines that a couple people would like us to follow there would be all of 10 posts in the whole General Discussion section of the forum.

Keep doing what your doing, if Allen has a problem with something that you or any of us are doing, I'm sure he will let us know in his own way

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Les I'm not talking about somebody making a "great post". I'm talking
about somebody saying "Hey guys, I have a serious problem here. Can you
help me out?"

So in other words, the hell with this person? Let him go get his problem
solved at some other forum or by his mommy and daddy?

If that's what this forum is about, I think it's sad.

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Les I'm not talking about somebody making a "great post". I'm talking
about somebody saying "Hey guys, I have a serious problem here. Can you
help me out?"

So in other words, the hell with this person? Let him go get his problem
solved at some other forum or by his mommy and daddy?

If that's what this forum is about, I think it's sad.

You're twisting things around now Steve.
You weren't talking about people with serious problems.

[John Rowe]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Les I'm not talking about somebody making a "great post". I'm talking
about somebody saying "Hey guys, I have a serious problem here. Can you
help me out?"

So in other words, the hell with this person? Let him go get his problem
solved at some other forum or by his mommy and daddy?

If that's what this forum is about, I think it's sad.

Steven, it seems like you are deliberately trying to be obtuse here.

Allen's post said nothing about people asking for help. It mentioned ranting, and 'too many' posts that are mostly philosophical.

You, trying to add more to what he said might prove to some people that you are keenly aware of the posts you put in the main discussion forum.

Your previous thread was a perfect example.

I only read it today after you opened another thread to complain about it. But after reading it, it was pretty clear to me that it offered nothing specific about making money, or marketing. And, that's what Allen said above.

Your post was a philosophical post. It was YOUR personal philosophy on what it takes to run a successful business.

Obviously there are members in this forum who get value from your posts. Allen wasn't saying that philosophical posts have no value. He simply asked members to take a minute to decide where their post better belongs - in the main discussion section, or in a blog.

I'm no idiot either. Yet Allen's post was clear to me.

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Sam Smith has a problem. It's not directly related to making money and
he knows it belongs in OT but if he posts it there, he knows it's not going
to be answered.

This leaves him with only one recourse...to go elsewhere other than this
forum.

Steven,

You've answered the question. It belongs in the OT forum.

This isn't a support forum, it isn't a get out of sh*t free forum,
it's a forum about making money.. not asking for handouts.

If your hypothetical Sam needs help, he can post in the OT
forum, he can PM a few of his buddies, he can post a WSO.

When considering the suitability of a thread or post there's
a great question that you can ask..

Is this in the best interests of the Warrior Forum members?

It seems to me that lately lots of people have been posting
on the basis of.. "Is this in the best interest of ME?"

Maybe we need a plugin like the "What Would Seth Godin Do?"
plugin for Wordpress..

"What Would Allen Says Do?"

John

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

You're twisting things around now Steve.
You weren't talking about people with serious problems.

Actually, I wasn't talking about anything specific at all. But my point is that
there are some cases where even though a post may not be about making
money, it serves no purpose to be posted elsewhere.

I agree, rants about politics, the economy and other things of that nature
have no place here. That's what OT is for.

But if I go by your definition of what you feel doesn't belong here (my post
in specific) then 90% of the posts here don't belong.

I mean, where do we draw the line?

I will be the first to admit, I in no way want the responsibility of
determining what should and shouldn't be posted here, but unless specific
guidelines are laid down, and severe punishments handed out to offenders,
the problem (if there is one) isn't going to go away.

As I said, I made what I felt was a perfectly legit post and you felt
differently. As I consider myself an intelligent person and still can't see
where I erred, obviously the rules aren't that clear cut.

So fine, let's make them clear cut and those who break them more than
once are tossed out. Then, examples will be set and the problem will go
away.

Probably along with half the membership too.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by John Rowe

Steven, it seems like you are deliberately trying to be obtuse here.

Allen's post said nothing about people asking for help. It mentioned ranting, and posts that are mostly philosophical.

The fact that you're trying to add more to what he said might prove to some people that you are keenly aware of the type of posts you put in the main discussion forum.

Your previous thread was a perfect example.

I only read it today after you opened another thread to complain about it. But after reading it, it was pretty clear to me that it offered nothing specific about making money. And, that's what Allen said above.

Your post was a philosophical post. It was YOUR personal philosophy on what it takes to run a successful business.

Obviously there are members in this forum who get value from your posts. Allen wasn't saying that philosophical posts have no value. He simply asked members to take a minute to decide where their post better belongs - in the main discussion section, or in a blog.

I'm no idiot either. Yet Allen's post was pretty clear to me.

John, that's fair enough. So then as I said, it needs to be clearly spelled
out how strict to the letter of the law posts have to be here.

Your opinion is that philosophical posts have no place here but instead
belong on a blog. Fine, that needs to be clarified as a rule. Otherwise,
people aren't going to know.

And I know you're smart, probably a hell of a lot smarter than I am, but
still, I'm not dumb and I seem to be in violation of what constitutes a
Main Discussion post quite often. When the mods were still here, almost
all my posts were moved to Mind Warriors. I could never understand why
as they were all focused on aspects of making money, but again, if
philosophy doesn't belong here, then it simply needs to be said. Otherwise,
others will make the same mistakes that I am making.

[sylviad]

Ok. So here's an example.

Last week, I needed to change the teeny battery in my Motherboard. Time was of the essence and I knew there was an excellent chance there were Warriors who could help.

Had I put that request in the Off-Topic forum, I'd probably still be waiting for an answer - in part because people don't frequent that forum as often. My request would not have been seen as readily.

Here's the dilemma. Since fixing my computer is not specifically about making money, but has a direct impact on whether I make money, does that make it appropriate for the main discussion area or the Off-Topic section?

Sylvia

[DougBarger]

There's currently something along these lines in development with vbulletin which will basically allow the transfer of specified threads to be converted to blog posts using similar tech as vbulletin forum2blog according to some info there so it's not too far around the corner.

Currently admins have to make up backup databases and then prune the importer files by deleting the converted vbulletin blog posts from the forum threads they want pruned.

Hope this helps

[John Taylor]

Steven,

You are ONE person, you seem to be the only one
who seems to think that we need even more rules,
guidelines and policy statements.

Some of us have been here long enough to know that
the more rules there are - the more people want to
discuss them.

If you knew Allen well enough you'd know his views on
rules. (Hint: think minimalist)

My personal opinion is that we don't need more rules, we
simply need more common sense and people who show
some respect for the forum as a community.

Now, I'm going to have a wee dram of McClelland's and I'm
going to bed.

John

[John Rowe]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If philosophy doesn't belong here, then it simply needs to be said.

Simply needs to be said? Are you sure that's all it will take?
Allen said it here in this post, but it still doesn't seem to be enough.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by John Rowe

Simply needs to be said? Are you sure that's all it will take?
Allen said it here in this post, but it still doesn't seem to be enough.

Yes John, that's all it will take.

You won't have a problem with me again. You have my word.

[ShayRockhold]

Originally Posted by sylviad

Ok. So here's an example.

Last week, I needed to change the teeny battery in my Motherboard. Time was of the essence and I knew there was an excellent chance there were Warriors who could help.

Had I put that request in the Off-Topic forum, I'd probably still be waiting for an answer - in part because people don't frequent that forum as often. My request would not have been seen as readily.

Here's the dilemma. Since fixing my computer is not specifically about making money, but has a direct impact on whether I make money, does that make it appropriate for the main discussion area or the Off-Topic section?

Sylvia

IMHO (for what it's worth), it was appropriate in this forum because it impacted your money-making abilities.

[sylviad]

Originally Posted by Shay60654

IMHO (for what it's worth), it was appropriate in this forum because it impacted your money-making abilities.

Yes. And I suppose it would impact other Warriors' ability to make money if they had the same problem. I think we got it solved, Shay.

Sylvia

[John Rowe]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Yes John, that's all it will take.
You won't have a problem with me again. You have my word.

I didn't start this post, Allen did. Please don't put words in my mouth Steven.
That's the only thing I'd have a problem with.

[sylviad]

P.S.: Why am I the only one on this thread, besides Admin, who doesn't have an "infraction" icon when I post? Do I want one? Maybe not. What the heck is it for, anyway?

Sylvia

[ShayRockhold]

Originally Posted by sylviad

P.S.: Why am I the only one on this thread, besides Admin, who doesn't have an "infraction" icon when I post? Do I want one? Maybe not. What the heck is it for, anyway?

Sylvia

Unless you plan on giving yourself an infraction, you don't need one, right?

And Admin is He Who Must be Obeyed....so he doesn't have one.

[richdirtygirl]

Originally Posted by admin

Some of our members here seem to be confused as to what this forum section is about.

It's about MONEY. Specifically MAKING Money....

Before you post, ask yourself if your post wouldn't be better suited to a blog post. If it would be, then please do that. Either on a blog here or a blog on your own site.

I think we've had enough of the rantings and philosophy to last us a while...


I'm watching you boy!

Don't know honey... I like rants.

Now, here it looks like there is something else...

I will leave you boys playing alone...

RDG

[Paul M]

I think Allens post was mainly about rants, I don't know which rants he was
concerned with.

There was one thread just before Allens thread which I thought could damage
the warrior forum, an was to me, a perfect example.

This thread came across as the established members telling everyone else what
they can/can't or should/shouldn't post, which clearly had no place in this forum
section.

The thread in itself made me think twice about posting on this forum and am sure
many newbies or lurkers may have had the same thoughts.

I totally agree with what Allen is saying, an I think he is just reminding us all to
stay on topic in a nice way, and less of the rants and personal feelings threads
that dilute the main forum itself.

To be honest, I think Allens post is very clear on what he means, to me
anyway, just don't read too much into it.

[Disclaimer] This post was in no way aimed at any one member and is only a
personal opinion

Regards,
paul

[Michael Oksa]

Hi Allen,

I'm glad you stepped up. To me it seems to be the same kind of thing I was saying in my post from 9/16...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...here-else.html

My point was focused more on the "doom and gloom" posts that were thinly disguised as bieng somehow related to making money.

Enough of the BS, time to keep the main part of the forum, the main part of the forum.

Thanks again,
Michael Oksa

EDIT: It just dawned on me that the post I referenced may be the exact kind of thing you're talking about. Now I'm really confused!

[Allen Graves]

I spent about two hours last night reading through posts on the old forum. There's really not that big of a difference in types of posts between then and now...they're just about different things. And I saw a lot of rants from people in this very thread above that were proudly posted and praised right there in the main forum.
Sorry, but it's the truth. I'm just sayin...

I think the problem may lie in Allen's original post above.

I see some people saying that he doesn't want rants and philosophy, while other say the posts in the main forum HAVE to be about making money.

So, which is it? Is it both? I don't think it's absolutely clear and that's probably why this debate could be en route to a quickly deleted thread.

If I start a thread about how I have discovered Google suddenly changed the way they rank article pages, then that would not be about making money, but most would agree that it belongs in the main forum.

I think it's just common sense as to what can be there or not. If we find that we are receiving infractions, then we made the wrong decision. LOL Let's just use our heads instead of our hearts. This is business, nothing personal, right?

AL

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Hi Allen,

I'm glad you stepped up. To me it seems to be the same kind of thing I was saying in my post from 9/16...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...here-else.html

My point was focused more on the "doom and gloom" posts that were thinly disguised as bieng somehow related to making money.

Enough of the BS, time to keep the main part of the forum, the main part of the forum.

Thanks again,
Michael Oksa

EDIT: It just dawned on me that the post I referenced may be the exact kind of thing you're talking about. Now I'm really confused!

LOL, Michael. Don't you hate when that happens?!!!