I Dont Believe Any of You!!

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"Oh look, my PR is 7 after 48 hours"

"Wow I just made $438,548,548 lastnight!"

"All you have to do is BELIEVE in your HEART you can do it, and you can be on page 1 of google within 3 days!!"

"I drive a BMW!"

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Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually win at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
#liars!
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Ramsey
    Things can be tough... but don't let that stop you.

    It sounds like you're selling affiliate products... which is a hard world to get started in. I never did too well selling other people's stuff, but when I started building an email list of my own and started selling my own products... things went well.

    Of course, I offer a few specialized services (high dollar) so if you're looking for a way to make some quick money online, start offering some service that you are good at.
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    • Profile picture of the author abednego
      Originally Posted by Chris Ramsey View Post

      Things can be tough... but don't let that stop you.

      It sounds like you're selling affiliate products... which is a hard world to get started in. I never did too well selling other people's stuff, but when I started building an email list of my own and started selling my own products... things went well.

      Of course, I offer a few specialized services (high dollar) so if you're looking for a way to make some quick money online, start offering some service that you are good at.
      How much are your... "services"!
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        But getting to a pagerank from a certain keyword isn't that hard, depending on your competition.
        I think you're mixing up SERPs with PR. Getting into the top 10 in the search results from a keyword isn't that hard, but it's not going to do diddly squat for your page rank.

        To the OP, first of all, just because YOU can't do it, doesn't mean that others can't. There are a lot of factors that go into it and after only two months, you haven't learned enough to be successful yet. That doesn't mean that you can't be successful, though.

        Without seeing exactly what you are doing, it's impossible to tell you where you might be going wrong. But it could be that you're not getting enough traffic, or not enough targeted traffic, or you're going after a niche that has a lot of big dogs and you can't compete, or any number of other things.

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        • Profile picture of the author abednego
          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          ...
          Without seeing exactly what you are doing, it's impossible to tell you where you might be going wrong. But it could be that you're not getting enough traffic, or not enough targeted traffic, or you're going after a niche that has a lot of big dogs and you can't compete, or any number of other things.
          What I'm currently working on is in my signature.

          I started with the FarmVille niche; thinking I was all clever after I read in the news how much Zynga is worth. Within the past 30 days, I've gotten ~500 visits, ~160 hops, 2 form submits, and 1 sale (+ backend). I feel that the traffic is targeted, I am on page 1 of yahoo... and on page 2 of google (sometimes google puts me on page 1 when its not hating me)...

          But it just doesn't convert. I'm trying two other niches; but it takes time to build up traffic. I'm interested in other areas of IM besides affiliate marketing; but I'm not sure where to go next.

          Originally Posted by EndGame View Post

          It's late and I can't work out if this thread is for real or not?

          Anyone else noticed how many of these threads have been popping up lately?

          I don't know if people are getting lazier, or guru's are marketing harder/inflating their outrageous promises, but whatever it is, it seems to have triggered a small epidemic of threads of this nature.
          They're all written by me I'm a troll!
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          • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
            Originally Posted by abednego View Post

            What I'm currently working on is in my signature.

            I started with the FarmVille niche; thinking I was all clever after I read in the news how much Zynga is worth. Within the past 30 days, I've gotten ~500 visits, ~160 hops, 2 form submits, and 1 sale (+ backend). I feel that the traffic is targeted, I am on page 1 of yahoo... and on page 2 of google (sometimes google puts me on page 1 when its not hating me)...

            But it just doesn't convert. I'm trying two other niches; but it takes time to build up traffic. I'm interested in other areas of IM besides affiliate marketing; but I'm not sure where to go next.



            They're all written by me I'm a troll!
            Okay, I'm not familiar with Farmville, but from looking at the Farmville blog in your signature, some things I've noticed that may be affecting your conversions:

            On the main page, it's not immediately apparent that you're even promoting a product. It's too easy for someone to come to the site, glance around and then leave. As a blog, you don't want it to look like a sales page, but you do want people to naturally come across your offers.

            For example, check out this guy's blog:

            Internet Business Blog - Entrepreneurs-Journey.com by Yaro Starak

            You see how he has content on the blog, but immediately visible he also has a subscribe button, and an opt-in box with benefits and a call to action so people can subscribe to his newsletter (I see he also added another opt in box at the bottom too). Even if someone's just causally glancing at the site, if they have any interest in making money from blogging, they'll see that he's giving out a free report and be more likely to sign up for it. You may want to try doing something similar on your own blog; either offering something free that would appeal to Farmville players and building a list, or at least by having a direct link to a product (Obviously you'll get better conversions by giving away something, but once they're on your list you can promote products later).

            I looked at the reviews of affiliate products you have on your site and the hyperlinks to the product pages don't really look like hyperlinks. They're in a black font color, instead of the usual blue. It could be that people don't even realize they're clickable links. If there's a way to change it to a blue hyperlink, I'd do that.

            Also, when you're doing a post that's more than a couple of paragraphs, you should use subheads to break up the text. It makes it an easier read and keeps people from getting bored and clicking off. And use compelling headlines for your Blog post titles and subheads so you grab readers' attention.

            Here's another blog that's a good example of some of the elements I'm talking about:

            Affiliate Marketing - The SMART Way -- Super-Affiliates Work Smarter - Not Necessarily Harder...

            Good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Ramsey
        Originally Posted by abednego View Post

        How much are your... "services"!
        Depends on the service. Normally I charge $2,500 for a sales letter (copywriting). But I've done a lot of work for offline clients which has paid above and beyond that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      You're right...we're all busted.

      Nobody here makes ANY money marketing products and services online.

      It's all a dirty, filthy scam.

      All those pictures you see of Internet marketers...they're all fake.

      Those guys who have even been on national TV talking about their latest
      best seller...they're all clones from Mars.

      All the stuff YOU'VE bought from who knows how many marketers...the
      money really goes into a Russian Mob slush fund run by Ivan Yerkinoff.

      Do yourself a favor...go get yourself a job because there is NO money to
      be made online by ANYBODY.

      :rolleyes:

      ** NOTE ** For those of you who are dead from the neck up, the above
      was sarcasm.

      Look it up in the dictionary.
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      • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You're right...we're all busted.

        Nobody here makes ANY money marketing products and services online.

        It's all a dirty, filthy scam.

        All those pictures you see of Internet marketers...they're all fake.

        Those guys who have even been on national TV talking about their latest
        best seller...they're all clones from Mars.

        All the stuff YOU'VE bought from who knows how many marketers...the
        money really goes into a Russian Mob slush fund run by Ivan Yerkinoff.

        Do yourself a favor...go get yourself a job because there is NO money to
        be made online by ANYBODY.

        :rolleyes:

        ** NOTE ** For those of you who are dead from the neck up, the above
        was sarcasm.

        Look it up in the dictionary.
        L.M.A.O awesome response. Reply to question: Your not gonna make a fortune in 2 months it takes work its a business. If your not willing to work for it stick to your 9 to 5 not everyone is cut out for this!
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      • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You're right...we're all busted.

        Nobody here makes ANY money marketing products and services online.

        It's all a dirty, filthy scam.

        All those pictures you see of Internet marketers...they're all fake.

        Those guys who have even been on national TV talking about their latest
        best seller...they're all clones from Mars.

        All the stuff YOU'VE bought from who knows how many marketers...the
        money really goes into a Russian Mob slush fund run by Ivan Yerkinoff.

        Do yourself a favor...go get yourself a job because there is NO money to
        be made online by ANYBODY.

        :rolleyes:

        ** NOTE ** For those of you who are dead from the neck up, the above
        was sarcasm.

        Look it up in the dictionary.

        ROFLMAO you are a great comedian, you know that?
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      • Profile picture of the author affhelper
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You're right...we're all busted.

        Nobody here makes ANY money marketing products and services online.

        It's all a dirty, filthy scam.

        All those pictures you see of Internet marketers...they're all fake.

        Those guys who have even been on national TV talking about their latest
        best seller...they're all clones from Mars.

        All the stuff YOU'VE bought from who knows how many marketers...the
        money really goes into a Russian Mob slush fund run by Ivan Yerkinoff.

        Do yourself a favor...go get yourself a job because there is NO money to
        be made online by ANYBODY.

        :rolleyes:

        ** NOTE ** For those of you who are dead from the neck up, the above
        was sarcasm.

        Look it up in the dictionary.
        hehehe I love your comments
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      • Profile picture of the author votekick
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You're right...we're all busted.
        Nobody here makes ANY money marketing products and services online.
        It's all a dirty, filthy scam.
        All those pictures you see of Internet marketers...they're all fake.
        Those guys who have even been on national TV talking about their latest
        best seller...they're all clones from Mars.
        All the stuff YOU'VE bought from who knows how many marketers...the
        money really goes into a Russian Mob slush fund run by Ivan Yerkinoff.
        Do yourself a favor...go get yourself a job because there is NO money to
        be made online by ANYBODY.
        :rolleyes:
        ** NOTE ** For those of you who are dead from the neck up, the above
        was sarcasm.
        Look it up in the dictionary.
        Jeesh, where'd that come from? I came to read this guys rant, next thing you know I'm ready yours.
        Man, they'll let anyone in here...
        Someone close the door...:p
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      • Profile picture of the author kyhell
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You're right...we're all busted.

        Nobody here makes ANY money marketing products and services online.

        It's all a dirty, filthy scam.

        All those pictures you see of Internet marketers...they're all fake.

        Those guys who have even been on national TV talking about their latest
        best seller...they're all clones from Mars.

        All the stuff YOU'VE bought from who knows how many marketers...the
        money really goes into a Russian Mob slush fund run by Ivan Yerkinoff.

        Do yourself a favor...go get yourself a job because there is NO money to
        be made online by ANYBODY.

        :rolleyes:

        ** NOTE ** For those of you who are dead from the neck up, the above
        was sarcasm.

        Look it up in the dictionary.
        Steven Wagenheim you are my Hero!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post


    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!
    Well, that's much better than believing everything that you
    hear.

    Lol.

    But I'll tell you one thing, money can be made online, and lots of it.

    Now how much money you make depends on you.

    Cheers mate,
    Johnny
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    "Oh look, my PR is 7 after 48 hours"

    "Wow I just made $438,548,548 lastnight!"

    "All you have to do is BELIEVE in your HEART you can do it, and you can be on page 1 of google within 3 days!!"

    "I drive a BMW!"

    *************************************
    The ONLY thing MORE unbelievable than that would be if someone actually said...
    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    Now THAT'S what I call unbelievable.

    ~M~
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    • Profile picture of the author abednego
      Originally Posted by Chris Ramsey View Post

      I never did too well selling other people's stuff, but when I started building an email list of my own and started selling my own products... things went well.
      Nothing makes me feel better than starting new threads in forums. I created a new topic about starting a list, and would love your opinion.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-opinions.html

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      You're right...we're all busted.

      Nobody here makes ANY money marketing products and services online.

      It's all a dirty, filthy scam.

      All those pictures you see of Internet marketers...they're all fake.

      Those guys who have even been on national TV talking about their latest
      best seller...they're all clones from Mars.

      All the stuff YOU'VE bought from who knows how many marketers...the
      money really goes into a Russian Mob slush fund run by Ivan Yerkinoff.

      Do yourself a favor...go get yourself a job because there is NO money to
      be made online by ANYBODY.

      :rolleyes:

      ** NOTE ** For those of you who are dead from the neck up, the above
      was sarcasm.

      Look it up in the dictionary.
      hahaha. I'm glad you replied in the way you did. A lot of people don't get my ... sense of humor. In all honesty, its not so much that everyone here is wrong; its just... that its DIFFICULT to believe if you struggle at it.

      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The ONLY thing MORE unbelievable than that would be if someone actually said...Now THAT'S what I call unbelievable.

      ~M~
      How much did you make when you first started?

      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      Caught me. It's my wife that has the BMW, but I do get to drive it once in a while.
      Ohhh! What kind?
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by abednego View Post

        How much did you make when you first started?
        That has nothing to do with your thread.

        Either way.

        You wouldn't believe me if I told you. After all, we're all liars, right?

        ~M~
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        "Ich bin en fuego!"
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        • Profile picture of the author abednego
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Everything is a relationship...including all those things you've mentioned.

          Just a different kind of one.

          The psychology of all this is way beyond the scope of this thread and I have
          no intention of going into it here, but talk to any copywriter.

          You build a relationship with every word you type. And since all sales
          require some form of written communication, whether it be through a 3
          line PPC ad or a 500 word article, that communication MUST strike some
          kind of a chord with the target.

          And regardless of how short the encounter is, it's still a relationship.

          And trust me...even a 3 line PPC relationship can be destroyed in 60
          seconds with a deceptive ad.

          Think that person will ever fall for that ad again?

          Think you'll ever sell to that person?

          It's ALL about relationships...no matter how small.
          Everything you say makes perfect sense to me... the problem, is my current occupation is based on being aggressive, assertive, and cut throat. "relationships" don't seem to be valued, and thats why I want to do something else...

          ... the problem is, I'm too "stuck in my ways" with what I've been doing to change. And thats what scares me.

          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          You wouldn't believe me if I told you. After all, we're all liars, right?
          That just depends on your ability to detect sarcasm!
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        • Profile picture of the author theemperor
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          That has nothing to do with your thread.

          Either way.

          You wouldn't believe me if I told you. After all, we're all liars, right?

          ~M~
          I'd 100% believe anyone who said they made $0 (or less) when they just started. Anyone who says otherwise is of course a liar. Because if they were to make more than $0 then ... well they wouldn't be classed as having 'just started'.
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          • Profile picture of the author George185
            I think the problem that most people run into is that it does take time. Yes, there are those that make tons right off the bat. Actually a close friend of mine was very successful in his first week. That is what convinced me to get started with Clickbank. I was not so lucky. But, I tried different things and some programs worked for me that did not work for him.

            The trick is to find something that you like doing so eventually you won't need a day job. If you are passionate about what you are doing, or selling, the money will come.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rickling
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The ONLY thing MORE unbelievable than that would be if someone actually said...Now THAT'S what I call unbelievable.

      ~M~

      Really well I've made nothing zero nothing nada!! but just started to get it? Building a list but its thru an affiliate I have big prob of how does one market their own stuff? All products come from someone else so has to be an affilate to start with one can make his own web page but is is too basic is not going to get anywhere with selling except maybe thru links but then you have to get people there get it professional done but hmmm!! Everyone mainly only goes to the wow pages if basic I guess is like when you have a basic business compared to a supermarket where they going to go so you need to build alist of potential customer or you won't stand a chance? But if not trusted or known then is very hard but slowly but surely I guess.. BUILD that LIST somehow?
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  • Profile picture of the author SoEasyMoney
    Don't be so negative. Just because you couldn't do it doesn't mean that some of us haven't done it. Of course there are those scammers out there but if you spent any time surfing around this forum you can easily see who the genuine warriors are. The genuine warriors don't post such outlandish crap.

    2 months is nothing in this business. If you expect overnight millions then you are going to remain angry and frustrated. It has taken most of us many, many, many months with thousands of hours and lots of blood, sweat and tears to make a go at this business.

    Stop complaining; spewing negativity; and either work your business or move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

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    "I drive a BMW!"

    *************************************

    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    Caught me. It's my wife that has the BMW, but I do get to drive it once in a while.
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    Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. -Winston Churchill

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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    "Oh look, my PR is 7 after 48 hours"

    "Wow I just made $438,548,548 lastnight!"

    "All you have to do is BELIEVE in your HEART you can do it, and you can be on page 1 of google within 3 days!!"

    "I drive a BMW!"

    *************************************

    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    Well if you don't believe any of the above comments, then at least you've got half a brain because you SHOULDN'T believe crap like that.

    I didn't start out in affiliate sales and I still don't concentrate my business on that. It took me three months before I really started to see any income and I started out offering services like domain/keyword research.

    Now I make my own products and do coaching...just please don't think that affiliate marketing is all there is to IM. It most certainly is not.
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    • Profile picture of the author abednego
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      Well if you don't believe any of the above comments, then at least you've got half a brain because you SHOULDN'T believe crap like that.

      I didn't start out in affiliate sales and I still don't concentrate my business on that. It took me three months before I really started to see any income and I started out offering services like domain/keyword research.

      Now I make my own products and do coaching...just please don't think that affiliate marketing is all there is to IM. It most certainly is not.
      How do you sell the products you make? I think my own ... weakness, is that I'm not overly creative. I'm really good at math, analytics, and solving puzzles... but coming up with a creative unique way of doing something? damn. I fail.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by abednego View Post

        How do you sell the products you make? I think my own ... weakness, is that I'm not overly creative. I'm really good at math, analytics, and solving puzzles... but coming up with a creative unique way of doing something? damn. I fail.
        The most important thing in IM is numbers... IM isn't about being creative, its being able to look at data and being able to get done what the data tells you to do.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          The most important thing in IM is numbers... IM isn't about being creative, its being able to look at data and being able to get done what the data tells you to do.
          Ah but you see, that's where so many marketers get tripped up. It's not
          about numbers or stats.

          It's about building relationships and establishing trust between you and the
          people you are reaching.

          I'll bet you dollars to donuts that I make more money per list member than
          just about anybody online today, especially since my list is pint sized next
          to most of the big names.

          Why?

          Because I treat my list, especially my buyers, like family.

          You can't imagine how many people write to me to tell me that they can't
          believe that I actually respond to their emails...usually within minutes.

          This whole damn industry has become some damn impersonal that all
          anybody has to do is treat their prospects with a little respect and they
          can turn a small list of 5,000 people into a 6 figure a year income without
          even blinking.

          No, it's not about the numbers...it's about relationships.

          One day...people are going to get that.
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          • Profile picture of the author butters
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


            No, it's not about the numbers...it's about relationships.

            One day...people are going to get that.
            I agree with you if IM was all about building a list but all of IM isn't about building a list, that is a small portion of it. I don't need a relationship for PPC, media buys, some affiliate stuff, cpa, article marketing and so on. If its all about relationship why do people say "test, test, test"?
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              I agree with you if IM was all about building a list but all of IM isn't about building a list, that is a small portion of it. I don't need a relationship for PPC, media buys, some affiliate stuff, cpa, article marketing and so on. If its all about relationship why do people say "test, test, test"?
              Everything is a relationship...including all those things you've mentioned.

              Just a different kind of one.

              The psychology of all this is way beyond the scope of this thread and I have
              no intention of going into it here, but talk to any copywriter.

              You build a relationship with every word you type. And since all sales
              require some form of written communication, whether it be through a 3
              line PPC ad or a 500 word article, that communication MUST strike some
              kind of a chord with the target.

              And regardless of how short the encounter is, it's still a relationship.

              And trust me...even a 3 line PPC relationship can be destroyed in 60
              seconds with a deceptive ad.

              Think that person will ever fall for that ad again?

              Think you'll ever sell to that person?

              It's ALL about relationships...no matter how small.
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              • Profile picture of the author butters
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Everything is a relationship...including all those things you've mentioned.

                Just a different kind of one.

                The psychology of all this is way beyond the scope of this thread and I have
                no intention of going into it here, but talk to any copywriter.

                You build a relationship with every word you type. And since all sales
                require some form of written communication, whether it be through a 3
                line PPC ad or a 500 word article, that communication MUST strike some
                kind of a chord with the target.

                And regardless of how short the encounter is, it's still a relationship.

                And trust me...even a 3 line PPC relationship can be destroyed in 60
                seconds with a deceptive ad.

                Think that person will ever fall for that ad again?

                Think you'll ever sell to that person?

                It's ALL about relationships...no matter how small.
                True, a relationship is built by every word you write but you don't know if what is wrote is working without having numbers to back it up. The numbers tell you if the relationship is working or not.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by butters View Post

                  True, a relationship is built by every word you write but you don't know if what is wrote is working without having numbers to back it up. The numbers tell you if the relationship is working or not.
                  Unfortunately, no.

                  Case in point.

                  You send 100 people to a presale page with a "family friendly" PPC ad on just
                  250 impressions, which is amazing. You also offer a special bonus for
                  buying from you on your presale page. This way you know who actually
                  bought.

                  The page converts, according to the product creator, at 5%.

                  Yet, you end up with no sales.

                  You get 4 requests from people for the bonus.

                  They send their receipts.

                  You were never credited with the sale.

                  Turns out, the creator of the product did some fancy footwork to cheat
                  his affiliates out of the sales.

                  Numbers say you made 0 sales, though you should have made 4.

                  Lies, damn lies and statistics.

                  Many a marketer has lived and died by statistics.

                  I don't. I go with my gut and what I feel is right.

                  I don't write ads to try to trick people.

                  I offer value with my content and bonuses.

                  I treat people like people.

                  Doing all that...I don't need the statistics to know I'm doing a good job.

                  All I need is the bottom line that I get each month.

                  ** DISCLAIMER ** This is just MY opinion and not to be construed as
                  fact. But so far, it's worked just fine for me.
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                  • Profile picture of the author butters
                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                    Unfortunately, no.

                    Case in point.

                    You send 100 people to a presale page with a "family friendly" PPC ad on just
                    250 impressions, which is amazing. You also offer a special bonus for
                    buying from you on your presale page. This way you know who actually
                    bought.

                    ((Ok you have some amazing CTR in PPC (I know its a made up numbers I think ) unless your extremely lucky you will never get an ad like that without going through 100's of ads and testing them against each other to see which converts better.))


                    The page converts, according to the product creator, at 5%.

                    ((To get a 5% conversion you need to test various parts of your sales pages against each other and use the data of the tests to build a better page.))

                    Yet, you end up with no sales.

                    You get 4 requests from people for the bonus.

                    They send their receipts.

                    You were never credited with the sale.

                    Turns out, the creator of the product did some fancy footwork to cheat
                    his affiliates out of the sales.

                    Numbers say you made 0 sales, though you should have made 4.

                    Lies, damn lies and statistics.

                    ((Obviously numbers would be wrong if someone cheated you, I don't see your point there.))

                    Many a marketer has lived and died by statistics.

                    ((Many marketers have lived and prospered by statistics)

                    I put my responses in the quote, so you know what I am referring to. Looking at numbers and writing a better ad isn't about tricking them and miss leading the reader. All it does is help you write a better ad, sales page, what ever which appeals more to there needs.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                      Originally Posted by butters View Post

                      I put my responses in the quote, so you know what I am referring to. Looking at numbers and writing a better ad isn't about tricking them and miss leading the reader. All it does is help you write a better ad, sales page, what ever which appeals more to there needs.
                      Okay, we're not going to agree on this...obviously.

                      I've been doing this long enough to know that statistics lie.

                      You say that you can't know if the relationship you're trying to build is
                      working without the stats to back it up.

                      I say that's not always true.

                      Let's agree to disagree or this will go on forever and I don't want to take
                      this thread anymore off topic than it's already gone.
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                      • Profile picture of the author butters
                        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                        Let's agree to disagree or this will go on forever and I don't want to take
                        this thread anymore off topic than it's already gone.
                        Agreed ...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jag82
                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


                    Doing all that...I don't need the statistics to know I'm doing a good job.

                    All I need is the bottom line that I get each month.

                    ** DISCLAIMER ** This is just MY opinion and not to be construed as
                    fact. But so far, it's worked just fine for me.

                    Steven,

                    I agree with your points about building relationship.
                    They are spot on.

                    But...you can NEVER...NEVER...NEVER...discount the
                    importance of data and statistics.

                    If you are doing paid advertising, you want to know
                    where every single advertising dollar goes to.

                    Every keywords...every ad...every copy elements
                    needs to be tested and tracked.

                    Steven, you are a marketer. So you do know that
                    testing and tracking is vastly important. And these
                    are all about numbers.

                    We need numbers to help us make better informed
                    marketing decision. Because data are based on
                    customer actions. These are facts. No opinions.

                    Numbers ARE important. Definitely not to be underestimated.

                    Even if you are using free traffic sources...if you
                    want a higher ROI...you still need numbers to guide you.

                    Building relationship + making data-driven marketing decision = gold.

                    Best,
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                  • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


                    ** DISCLAIMER ** This is just MY opinion and not to be construed as
                    fact. But so far, it's worked just fine for me.
                    This should be in everyones sig file.
                    It makes me smile when I read posts and the person thinks that what they say is fact.

                    This is just one big opinion board and we all know what opinions are worth don't we?

                    IMHO
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          • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


            This whole damn industry has become some damn impersonal that all
            anybody has to do is treat their prospects with a little respect and they
            can turn a small list of 5,000 people into a 6 figure a year income without
            even blinking.

            No, it's not about the numbers...it's about relationships.

            One day...people are going to get that.
            I'd say most of them won't get it until it's too late. There's no doubt the relationship is way more important but it still needs numbers. I made the same mistake but the other way around and lost a seven figures a year business. I (we) focused on the relationship but didn't quite understand the numbers. They drip feed the business to build the customer base because the customer base diminishes slowly no matter how good you are.

            The biggest lesson I learned was not paying attention. When you have masses of numbers, it's all to easy to think it doesn't need attention. If your customers are doing what you want them to (because of your good relationship with them) then you think they don't need attention.

            The reality of all business is it is constantly in decline in all departments. It's the nature of business. If you aren't paying attention to every single aspect, in the right proportions then that decline is chasing you constantly, you have to keep on top of it.

            While most of these so called gurus are doing very well online at the moment, they wouldn't last long in the offline world of business doing things the way they are doing them. Unfortunately many of them won't see it until it's too late.

            The whole "impersonal" thing doesn't stop with internet marketers. It goes all the way up the chain from companies as big as eBay and Google. They are setting new standards in customer service. Personally, I don't think it's a trend that will stick. They are ignoring the fact that their customers are human and have breaking points. Customer relations will always be the driving force of a successful business.

            Lee
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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


            One day...people are going to get that.
            People do get that

            Jay
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      • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
        Originally Posted by abednego View Post

        How do you sell the products you make? I think my own ... weakness, is that I'm not overly creative. I'm really good at math, analytics, and solving puzzles... but coming up with a creative unique way of doing something? damn. I fail.
        There are a million different ways to sell your products...not the least of which is right here on the Warrior Forum in the Warriors For Hire or WSO boards. Then there's blog commenting, social bookmarking, forum commenting, social media marketing (my next product, btw), article marketing...I could go on, but those are the traffic generators I use the most.

        It's much less creativity than it is finding your own voice. There are people out there who will appreciate the WAY you do things, the way you say things, the way you convey information...they will become your fans! Just like two books written about the same subject matter can be completely different in tone and style, and you will prefer one over the other, so too is any product in IM.

        It's all in finding your own voice, and your own tribe that learns from that voice better than someone else's voice.
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        • Profile picture of the author abednego
          Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

          There are a million different ways to sell your products...not the least of which is right here on the Warrior Forum in the Warriors For Hire or WSO boards. Then there's blog commenting, social bookmarking, forum commenting, social media marketing (my next product, btw), article marketing...I could go on, but those are the traffic generators I use the most.
          I've experimented a bit with all of those - but what I meant (I shoulda clarified, my bad) - is what service do you use to sell your product? You obviously sound like a pro in generating traffic, but are you an author @ ClickBank?

          Originally Posted by Totoy Mola View Post

          We call it marketing hype... I would rather buy a product that promise me to make $20 per day than $500.. LOL
          haha so true. Almost to the point where the word HYPE is an understatement...

          Its just that statements like that set off my bull**** detector...
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      • Profile picture of the author Peter Gregory
        Originally Posted by abednego View Post

        How do you sell the products you make? I think my own ... weakness, is that I'm not overly creative. I'm really good at math, analytics, and solving puzzles... but coming up with a creative unique way of doing something? damn. I fail.
        If those are your strong points you may want to consider forms of paid advertising like ppc for instance. I know you need some money upfront, but in my experience I have seen people with those skills sets do VERY well in that arena.
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      • Profile picture of the author scottgallagher
        Originally Posted by abednego View Post

        How do you sell the products you make? I think my own ... weakness, is that I'm not overly creative. I'm really good at math, analytics, and solving puzzles... but coming up with a creative unique way of doing something? damn. I fail.
        I'm telling, 90% of the stuff sold on the net, or in book stores, has all been said. Maybe it's 98%. These products aren't that creative or original, but they ARE unique because someone else is saying it.

        Like, check this. One analogy I still use to describe the concept of links to website is like a business owner handing out business cards. They can hand out 100 to cars at the mall (like 000 links) or hand out 20 in the same 3 hours at the chamber of commerce (like 20 links). Which of two will get more business for a dentist, likely the Chamber event. So, that's like how 20 links can outweigh 100 and we need to get our business card out there to be known, just like how we need links to be known, or shown, on the SE.

        So, nothing new here, just a different way of explaining the same thing.

        Also dude, IM is like MLM. 1% of the people make good money. 4% make ok money, as a hobby or livable income. 95% spend money on the products the 1% are selling and make a loss at the end (loss of time or money).

        Fact is there are a lot of real, sustainable business models on the Internet.

        Bottom, nothing is easy and I worked my a$$ off the last 6 years to make some dough. It takes a hell of a lot of work. Sure, my site is #1 for [internet marketing for small business] but that never happened in 48 hours!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author abednego
          Thanks a bunch for all the replies.

          Has anyone ever promoted a product with a monthly subscription?

          Originally Posted by fryerben View Post

          Sorry, but believe me you can get to page 1 of google within three days relatively easily for a niche market. Maybe not for a generalised keyword, but for a niche keyword then yes it is completely doable. Obviously you will move up and down the rankings for a week or two, but you can still retain that spot.
          How many words should your keyword contain, to obtain page 1 of google? I think part of my problem is that I am not being specific enough. ie, "farmville help".

          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Thats pretty much how I read it. Guy obviously isn't saying it can't be done and this constant appeal for people to turn off healthy skepticism is what gets people ripped off.
          I thrive on constructive criticism; it surprises me how often others do not...

          Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery View Post

          I see one of your problems. If you are promoting T Dubs Farmville Secrets, you are wasting your time.

          I spent a good bit of moneyt testing that product. I ran traffic directly to the sales page. I created a landing page. Then, I created a squeeze page offering the a free guide on the subject.

          The squeeze page converted very well. Over 75% of the visitors entered their email addresses. Out of 400 on the mailing list - NOT ONE SALE. In fact, I did a broadcast 10 days after the campaign, and those people flagged it as spam at 42%

          Anyway, 800 HOPS - no sales. All from the most lazer targeted of traffic. It has a high gravity, but I have no idea how.

          Pick your niches a little better. If you can analyze data, spend more time doning that. Driving traffic to products that dont convert will get you nowhere.
          THANK YOU!!

          I've spent way too long posting on my FarmVille site.

          What is the best way to "analyze data" and doing research? I only have a couple sales under my belt - and I'm not entirely sure how to find a product that converts well.

          I know the age old saying on these forums is, "Is there a need? Would YOU be willing to spend money on it?" but... those phrases can't apply to everyone. I remember reading that 1/10 ppl pay REAL money for FarmVille. Therefore, I assumed they'd pay the same money for a guide.

          Originally Posted by tylerdrun View Post

          You are promoting products that are quite dumb and are of no use. Farmville consists of mainly wannabe people who aren't going to buy. Nor is the penny stock niche. One reason it's too competitive. The other reason, the products suck. THey are absolutely of no use to most people. And they do have a high refund rate.

          If you really want to see success, hire a mentor or coach or some sort of accountability parnter. A mastermind...

          Seems like you don't have the nerve to work for it. You are just ready to swipe your credit card for just about anything.

          People like you mostly start with Wealthy Affiliate. And if you're one of those newbies who got into that program, QUIT.

          You are not going to be successful through Wealthy Affiliate. Waste of 30 bucks a month. Warrior Forum is the best place to start and aks your question.

          We have pros, intermediates and the newbies here. This is absolutely the best place. I don't know why I didn't start off here. Only came here after four years.

          All of us contribute in every single way and provide a lot of value.

          Search for the CHEMGUY on YOutube. He teaches Chemistry. You can teach Math. Guys like me need help from the pros. And if you launch of a MAth product on Trigonometry, Calcilus and Algebra I'd be the first one to buy. A Home Study course is what I need...
          Who is the best mentor on this site? I don't mind referrals; but its going to be difficult for me to spend money on something like that.

          I am swiping my credit card at everything? If you only knew how financially conservative I really was And what is "Wealthy Affiliate"?

          Originally Posted by scottgallagher View Post

          I'm telling, 90% of the stuff sold on the net, or in book stores, has all been said. Maybe it's 98%. These products aren't that creative or original, but they ARE unique because someone else is saying it.

          Like, check this. One analogy I still use to describe the concept of links to website is like a business owner handing out business cards. They can hand out 100 to cars at the mall (like 000 links) or hand out 20 in the same 3 hours at the chamber of commerce (like 20 links). Which of two will get more business for a dentist, likely the Chamber event. So, that's like how 20 links can outweigh 100 and we need to get our business card out there to be known, just like how we need links to be known, or shown, on the SE.

          So, nothing new here, just a different way of explaining the same thing.

          Also dude, IM is like MLM. 1% of the people make good money. 4% make ok money, as a hobby or livable income. 95% spend money on the products the 1% are selling and make a loss at the end (loss of time or money).

          Fact is there are a lot of real, sustainable business models on the Internet.

          Bottom, nothing is easy and I worked my a$$ off the last 6 years to make some dough. It takes a hell of a lot of work. Sure, my site is #1 for [internet marketing for small business] but that never happened in 48 hours!!!
          It really scares me that you'd compare MLM to IM. I've always viewed MLM as a glorified pyramid scheme ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      Well if you don't believe any of the above comments, then at least you've got half a brain because you SHOULDN'T believe crap like that.
      Thats pretty much how I read it. Guy obviously isn't saying it can't be done and this constant appeal for people to turn off healthy skepticism is what gets people ripped off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary King
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    "All you have to do is BELIEVE in your HEART you can do it, and you can be on page 1 of google within 3 days!!"

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    The quote is B.S. obviously. So is your statement that just because you haven't had success no one else can...

    That said, the one thing that ISN'T B.S. is that if you think/feel/believe you can't, you're right.
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  • Profile picture of the author EndGame
    It's late and I can't work out if this thread is for real or not?

    Anyone else noticed how many of these threads have been popping up lately?

    I don't know if people are getting lazier, or guru's are marketing harder/inflating their outrageous promises, but whatever it is, it seems to have triggered a small epidemic of threads of this nature.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    "Oh look, my PR is 7 after 48 hours"

    "Wow I just made $438,548,548 lastnight!"

    "All you have to do is BELIEVE in your HEART you can do it, and you can be on page 1 of google within 3 days!!"

    "I drive a BMW!"

    *************************************

    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    What did you DO during those two months?

    It's not like "Hey, I've been working for 40 hours and I haven't earned any money!" You get paid based on what you DO, not how long you work.

    Besides that, "internet marketing" isn't some special magical thing that just produces money out of nowhere. It's a way of promoting a product or service. As such, it can produce money IF you have the right elements in place (offer, targeted traffic and a system for converting those visitors to click the order button). If you don't have those elements you won't make money. If you're NOT making money, then identify which one of those areas (your offer, your traffic, your conversions) you're lacking in and improve on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
      Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully View Post

      Besides that, "internet marketing" isn't some special magical thing that just produces money out of nowhere. It's a way of promoting a product or service. As such, it can produce money IF you have the right elements in place (offer, targeted traffic and a system for converting those visitors to click the order button). If you don't have those elements you won't make money. If you're NOT making money, then identify which one of those areas (your offer, your traffic, your conversions) you're lacking in and improve on it.
      Whilst I agree with everyone's comments, I can also sympathise with what the original poster has said.

      Many of the so called Guru's promote their products and services in such a way as to make people believe they WILL make money almost immediately.

      Sales letter statements such as:

      Make $100 a day starting tommorrow, etc are in most cases nothing but utter B.S.


      Hardwork / persistence, faith in yourself, good research and preparation (with a little luck thrown in) is where your chances of making anything on-line will materialise.

      It's like any other venture.

      Once again, anyone that claims you don't need to do any work to make money on-line is full of it. (IMHO)
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  • Profile picture of the author SullyUI
    Might want to give it a little longer than 2 months before deciding that the whole industry is a fake.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Because I treat my list, especially my buyers, like family.
    B-I-N-G-O...
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    • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      B-I-N-G-O...
      Lisa come by the All night cafe and we'll get a game of
      B-I-N-G-O going. I'll even let you win.

      As far as OP, I don't have a comment, because his post
      is plum stupid. Not worth the time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
        Originally Posted by All Night Cafe View Post

        Lisa come by the All night cafe and we'll get a game of
        B-I-N-G-O going. I'll even let you win.
        Awww, you don't have to let me win...I'm pretty damn lucky myself.
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        • Profile picture of the author abednego
          Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully View Post

          Okay, I'm not familiar with Farmville, but from looking at the Farmville blog in your signature, some things I've noticed that may be affecting your conversions:

          On the main page, it's not immediately apparent that you're even promoting a product. It's too easy for someone to come to the site, glance around and then leave. As a blog, you don't want it to look like a sales page, but you do want people to naturally come across your offers.

          For example, check out this guy's blog:

          Internet Business Blog - Entrepreneurs-Journey.com by Yaro Starak

          You see how he has content on the blog, but immediately visible he also has a subscribe button, and an opt-in box with benefits and a call to action so people can subscribe to his newsletter (I see he also added another opt in box at the bottom too). Even if someone's just causally glancing at the site, if they have any interest in making money from blogging, they'll see that he's giving out a free report and be more likely to sign up for it. You may want to try doing something similar on your own blog; either offering something free that would appeal to Farmville players and building a list, or at least by having a direct link to a product (Obviously you'll get better conversions by giving away something, but once they're on your list you can promote products later).

          I looked at the reviews of affiliate products you have on your site and the hyperlinks to the product pages don't really look like hyperlinks. They're in a black font color, instead of the usual blue. It could be that people don't even realize they're clickable links. If there's a way to change it to a blue hyperlink, I'd do that.

          Also, when you're doing a post that's more than a couple of paragraphs, you should use subheads to break up the text. It makes it an easier read and keeps people from getting bored and clicking off. And use compelling headlines for your Blog post titles and subheads so you grab readers' attention.

          Here's another blog that's a good example of some of the elements I'm talking about:

          Affiliate Marketing - The SMART Way -- Super-Affiliates Work Smarter - Not Necessarily Harder...

          Good luck!
          Thanks for the goodluck. A couple points.

          1) I agree that my site should not be a blatant "sales" page. It can scare people away. But what I've been trying to do, is your suggestion... to make people "naturally" come across the offers. I've been trying to make the images click-able... were you referring to my link text?

          2) What are subheads? How is that related to WordPress? If theres a fax or guide you could link me that explains that, just point me in the right direction... I don't mean to make you type out everything if its been discussed before.

          3) List building. This is a huge area of opportunity for me. I started a thread on how to add it to my sites; but am a little confused. I would love your opinion.

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-opinions.html

          4) You seem to really know what you're talking about. Why are you NOT promoting your own products and services in your signature?

          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          You've made two sales, obviously then, it works. Now you just have to figure out how to increase the number of visitors to your sites and how to increase the conversion rate of those visitors.

          A lot of people don't make any sales in their first two months, at least you have something to be encouraged about. Instead of lashing out at us, why don't you try to improve your skills and knowledge. That's what those of us who are successful have done, and it's a much better use of your time.

          I've earned my living online full-time since 1999. but I started in 1997. I would have went full-time sooner if I was single, but I have a family to support and needed them to be comfortable with it too. You haven't even been at this long enough to know if it works or not, even though by your own words it obviously does.

          PS - Please don't tell my wife none of this works or she'll want me to get a J.O.B.
          Yes, it does "work"... but I'm coming from the land of working a non-online job, in an entirely different field; so this is all new territory for me. The pay-out is so minuscule, I dont even know that I would use the term "work"...

          Thank you for the encouragement though, about the two sales. Others on this thread seem to find it "difficult to believe" that I have not made much more! I'm not sure if they're acting outta anger for not understanding sarcasm, or if its common to be making MORE money as a n00b within 2 months.

          I'm not looking to get rich. But it would be nice to work from home. But I don't like to think THAT far ahead, one step at a time...
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by abednego View Post

            Yes, it does "work"... but I'm coming from the land of working a non-online job, in an entirely different field; so this is all new territory for me. The pay-out is so minuscule, I dont even know that I would use the term "work"...
            Everyone in IM transitioned from something, and for most of us it was from offline, traditional jobs.

            For what it's worth...

            I know of a millionaire who would tell you exactly this: What you focus on expands. If you focus on a lack of success, guess what you'll get? That's right, more of the lack you don't want.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
              I took a look at your farmville blog and I wouldn't buy from you because you don't seem to know which guide to recommend - I see three different guides being promoted without any comparison between the three.

              My recommendation is to build separate blogs for each guide. Focus on just one per blog so you can be more convincing.

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            • Profile picture of the author condra
              Hey abednego.

              I like the Farmville site, though I would prefer a graphical logo to a text one. I think it could work out well if you keep plugging away now and then with good content, and get the word out where it counts - Facebook, Farmville communities etc. If at some stage it turns out that you are getting good traffic but poor conversions, I suppose you could sell the site on.

              I would definitely do something with that H2 on your Pennystock site. The really bold font on the headers doesn't work for me. To be honest, I would consider a whole new Wordpress theme, something less "underground" and more "official".

              Sailing Basics feels very "bloggy". I would be inclined to have a more static home page, and keep everything big and clean and colorful. Something a bit like this:
              http://www.rockaweb.com/ (just a nice example I found on coolhomepages)
              What I mean is, I would be inclined to work hard to get a really beautiful, modern site made, with most or all of the tips and advice needed, and some relevant advertising and affiliate links. Then go to work on traffic.

              Personally I see the most potential in the sailing site because you have a great domain name in a niche where people have and spend lots of money, and you presumably know a thing or two about sailing too.

              Stick with it mate. You've already made a couple of sales, I reckon there are plenty of people who still had no sales after 2 months.

              You clearly have some graphic, web, wordpress skills, and I think if you keep up with a balanced amount of research, site work, and experimentation, you will start to make progress that you can learn from, refine, and then rinse and repeat.

              Hmmph, I just came up with a catchphrase - Research, Refine, Rinse, Repeat. "The 4 Rs"
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              • Profile picture of the author abednego
                Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                I took a look at your farmville blog and I wouldn't buy from you because you don't seem to know which guide to recommend - I see three different guides being promoted without any comparison between the three.

                My recommendation is to build separate blogs for each guide. Focus on just one per blog so you can be more convincing.

                Tina
                Theres so many people doing this, everyone does things differently. I remember reading awhile ago to just limit yourself to one niche/domain ...

                What you're saying also makes sense, I'm not saying you're wrong... its just I tend to take what people say with a grain of salt sometimes. What has everyone else's experience been? Focus on one product per blog?

                Originally Posted by condra View Post

                Hey abednego.

                I would definitely do something with that H2 on your Pennystock site. The really bold font on the headers doesn't work for me.
                How do you change H2 text on a WordPress blog? I'm assuming thats "Header 2"?
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            • Profile picture of the author jecalvert
              Personally, I blame my father in law for handing me a copy of "The 4 Hour Work Week" Dude, I've been at this for awhile, no I have not found a pot of gold yet. While I agree that some claims are outrageous, and there is an element of truth to what you say. When you look at 9 out of 10 sites and see total crap, and then you realize that it just some slackers idea of a way sell one copy of an affiliate product. Then yeah, it's makes it hard for the rest of us to get past the slackers and get our sites seen. It's still work...the only difference is that you set the rules. I also agree with a poster earlier in this thread...make your own product and create the list. Then sell the affiliated items to the list.
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            • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              I agree with you if IM was all about building a list but all of IM isn't about building a list, that is a small portion of it. I don't need a relationship for PPC, media buys, some affiliate stuff, cpa, article marketing and so on. If its all about relationship why do people say "test, test, test"?
              Relationships make you money.
              Testing makes you profit.

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              • Profile picture of the author abednego
                Its been awhile since I've been on here. My other regular job is taking up way too much of my time. Its difficult to imagine this being a regular job.

                I remember watching a video about "The Rich Jerk" making a comeback; and in one of the videos, he included a Magic: The Gathering niche - I'd hate to start a new thread on it ... does anyone know what I'm talking about, or could point me in the right direction?

                Originally Posted by poker princess View Post

                I dont think its completely fake.
                Yes this is unbelievable that you get PR7 in 48 hours,

                But its achieveable to get a BMW

                I am on the 2nd page of google in every possible keyword I have done SEO for from last 6 months. And yes because of that my sales enquiries have doubled since last month.
                How is being on page 2 of google working out for you, do you still get a decent amount of traffic?

                I'm trying to be on page 1 of both google and yahoo... and its always one or the other. But I notice a *HUGE* difference (at least for my niches)

                Originally Posted by George185 View Post

                I think the problem that most people run into is that it does take time. Yes, there are those that make tons right off the bat. Actually a close friend of mine was very successful in his first week. That is what convinced me to get started with Clickbank. I was not so lucky. But, I tried different things and some programs worked for me that did not work for him.

                The trick is to find something that you like doing so eventually you won't need a day job. If you are passionate about what you are doing, or selling, the money will come.
                What are your interests that worked for you?

                I would love to do the "relationship" niche, as I heard its lucrative... but in all honesty, I'm not overly fond of people - and I'd probably come off as... "hateful" as many of you think
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        • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
          Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

          Awww, you don't have to let me win...I'm pretty damn lucky myself.
          Lisa, I believe you. I've followed your advice for a long
          time.

          But we have some of the best BINGO players around.

          Some are over 70 years old. they don't always play
          by the rules. If you call them on the rules, they just
          give you a devious smile.

          We just let it go.

          So play at your own risk.
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  • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    "Oh look, my PR is 7 after 48 hours"

    "Wow I just made $438,548,548 lastnight!"

    "All you have to do is BELIEVE in your HEART you can do it, and you can be on page 1 of google within 3 days!!"

    "I drive a BMW!"

    *************************************

    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    The first 2 are far fetched but I know that the 3rd one is correct because I've done it myself and that was within 6 hours not 3 days. I haven't got a BMW but then I can't drive, nor do I want to.

    A couple of months isn't long and if you have made 2 sales you are on the right track
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by butters View Post

      I agree with you if IM was all about building a list but all of IM isn't about building a list, that is a small portion of it. I don't need a relationship for PPC, media buys, some affiliate stuff, cpa, article marketing and so on. If its all about relationship why do people say "test, test, test"?
      Butters, my friend, all of IM boils down to an individual sitting, usually alone, in front of a computer screen. You may not need the ongoing relationship you get with a list for the things you mentioned, but you damned sure need to make a connections with the human on the other end.

      You do that by understanding what they want, what they need, what else turns them on, where they go to slack off, what they do when they slack off, and on and on...

      When you are doing your testing, you are really testing how well you are making that connection. All of your testing is aimed at ultimately one thing -- are you connecting well enough with that lone individual in front of the monitor to get them to whip out their credit card and buy what you are offering.

      It's the basis of list building, article marketing, PPC, affiliate marketing and all the rest.

      The bottom line is that it's all about the relationship.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Butters, my friend, all of IM boils down to an individual sitting, usually alone, in front of a computer screen. You may not need the ongoing relationship you get with a list for the things you mentioned, but you damned sure need to make a connections with the human on the other end.

        You do that by understanding what they want, what they need, what else turns them on, where they go to slack off, what they do when they slack off, and on and on...

        When you are doing your testing, you are really testing how well you are making that connection. All of your testing is aimed at ultimately one thing -- are you connecting well enough with that lone individual in front of the monitor to get them to whip out their credit card and buy what you are offering.

        It's the basis of list building, article marketing, PPC, affiliate marketing and all the rest.

        The bottom line is that it's all about the relationship.
        This is how I see it anyway, this is just my opinion of course. The numbers allow you to build a relationship to its full potential. The numbers tell you what your doing wrong and right in that relationship and how you can better that relationship. So I see it as the main thing in IM because it allows things like relationships to work at there full potential.

        Maybe I am wrong, at least the discussion has taught me something new .
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          This is how I see it anyway, this is just my opinion of course. The numbers allow you to build a relationship to its full potential. The numbers tell you what your doing wrong and right in that relationship and how you can better that relationship. So I see it as the main thing in IM because it allows things like relationships to work at there full potential.

          Maybe I am wrong, at least the discussion has taught me something new .
          If all you ever look at is the numbers, whatever you decide they are, that are important to you, you will miss things that can give you the insights to make quantum improvements in your business.

          You also have to figure out what the people you are aiming at are thinking and feeling. One way to do that is to ask them. Another is to "go undercover" to see the things sterile numbers will never tell you.

          If you want to see more of what I mean, make some time to watch one or more episodes of this US TV show, Undercover Boss...

          Undercover Boss Video - GSI Commerce - CBS.com

          The premise is that the CEOs of major corporations "go undercover" as temporary workers doing front line jobs in their own companies. While the footage is dramatized, you can see the type of learning that no spreadsheet would have taught them.

          It's the same way when it comes to relating to your customers and prospects...
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Odd thread. Original poster calls IM a pile of BS, then goes and thanks everybody that are essentially calling him a bit underprivileged in the brain department. The word attention seeker springs to mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I've experimented a bit with all of those - but what I meant (I shoulda clarified, my bad) - is what service do you use to sell your product? You obviously sound like a pro in generating traffic, but are you an author @ ClickBank?
    Herein lies your issue, I think. You say you've experimented a bit...what's a bit? I have to hit this hard constantly...

    And for the record, I wouldn't touch CB with a ten foot pole. It may be an easier way to market, but I've known too many affiliates who haven't gotten paid. I would never do that to my affiliates. Ever.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    You've made two sales, obviously then, it works. Now you just have to figure out how to increase the number of visitors to your sites and how to increase the conversion rate of those visitors.

    A lot of people don't make any sales in their first two months, at least you have something to be encouraged about. Instead of lashing out at us, why don't you try to improve your skills and knowledge. That's what those of us who are successful have done, and it's a much better use of your time.

    I've earned my living online full-time since 1999. but I started in 1997. I would have went full-time sooner if I was single, but I have a family to support and needed them to be comfortable with it too. You haven't even been at this long enough to know if it works or not, even though by your own words it obviously does.

    PS - Please don't tell my wife none of this works or she'll want me to get a J.O.B.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicky Papers
    Believe what ever you want to believe...

    I've been in this game since I was 15 and using a dial-up connection.

    It's hard in the beginning, I understand this. People are making money online so many different ways.

    Think differently and be yourself and you'll make a fortune. Energy and persistence conquer all things.
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  • Profile picture of the author cindyt
    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can![/QUOTE]

    I'm interested to know what the word is that you missed between at and life....
    So if you can't do it, nobody can? Are you better than everybody else? If so, start your own forum perhaps...
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    If it makes you feel any better.... I don't believe you either.

    Sailing is not my thing...

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  • Profile picture of the author LStacey
    Internet marketing comes in many, many, oh so many forms. Yes, there's a lot of pyramid selling (by many different names) and other such going on but there are also plenty of other ways and products to sell.

    What it all boils down to is the same thing:

    Do something completely unique or be the best at doing what is not unique.

    Whichever way you look at it, it's USP. Whatever the product, whatever the market, you've just gotta stand out.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonMills
    Well I dont believe you either. Lol

    Just because you cant do something doesnt mean someone else couldnt or didnt.

    Get over yourself and stop whining!
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  • Profile picture of the author numba8
    Internet Marketing is not for everyone, not because not everyone can do it, but because not everybody has what it takes to deal with the learning curve in the beginning
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  • Profile picture of the author numba8
    I find it especially interesting when the OP says something along the lines of "I usually succeed at everything so if I can't do this then I don't believe any of you can." hmmmm, that sounds like a pretty silly thing to say, do others agree?
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    • Profile picture of the author LStacey
      Originally Posted by numba8 View Post

      I find it especially interesting when the OP says something along the lines of "I usually succeed at everything so if I can't do this then I don't believe any of you can." hmmmm, that sounds like a pretty silly thing to say, do others agree?
      I usually succeed at everything I'm good at and apply myself to. Everything else, I positively suck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Parker
    Well, I definitely do NOT drive a BMW...It's a Lexus.
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    • Profile picture of the author LStacey
      Originally Posted by Chris Parker View Post

      Well, I definitely do NOT drive a BMW...It's a Lexus.
      I don't drive anything.

      I have a little man that does that for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by LStacey View Post

        I have a little man that does that for me.
        Does he need a booster seat?
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        • Profile picture of the author LStacey
          Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

          Does he need a booster seat?
          Nah, the seats in a Bentley are height and tilt adjustable.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Well I don't know about everyone else but I'm doing it, and if I can then you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb D Miller
    doing 2 sales in your first couple months may seem disappointing, but most noob affiliate marketers seem to give it 6 months with no sales and then quit, so the fact that you have any sales means something.

    IMO it makes the most sense to try marketing something that you relate to very well.
    Some examples:
    -if you are experienced with relationships, that is a hot niche you can get into
    -weight loss
    -cures, like acne loss

    the more you can relate to the niche, the more stories you can write and therefore build trust and rapport with people.

    The only way to get someone to pull out their wallet is to create trust with them. It's one of the hardest things in the world to do.

    There is no real automation in this.
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  • Profile picture of the author shintaro
    just take it as a learning part and keep on going until you find the right way to make your own
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  • Profile picture of the author marketerguru
    Beware of people promising you'll become a millionaire overnight. Real millionaires work hard to get there. So just hang in there, and try other strategies to get you to 1st page in google SERP
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    ...so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    Words to live by... and die by
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  • Profile picture of the author mikkosant
    There's no money here people, just keep walking on by. Really, Nothing, nothing at all...
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    • Profile picture of the author Rickling
      Originally Posted by mikkosant View Post

      There's no money here people, just keep walking on by. Really, Nothing, nothing at all...
      Hmmm maybe that what's most think except everybody here?
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  • Profile picture of the author TSCarter
    As others have said, and with me expanding on it.

    You cant really use / trust other people's "strategies"...sure, they might have worked for them, but now the market is dominated...by..them.

    You have to be unique & creative to get ahead in this world. Sure, you can start up a AutoZone or a Walmart clone...but doesnt mean you'll be as big as either.

    Good luck in your future, some of us are already there, and others have tried and failed.

    Take what you are good at, and utilize a way to make money from it.

    You say your good at math? ****..make a website doing people's math homework for money.

    solving puzzles? depends on what "puzzles" you refer to. If you are talking about the puzzles you buy at walmart, i dont think theres much of a market/niche for people hiring you to solve the puzzles for them. I could be wrong though.
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelRay
      Originally Posted by wbakhos View Post

      Hey! Watch it.. I drive a BMW...
      Well thats still a BMW right?
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      • Profile picture of the author marketguy
        Well, here is my take.

        I started IM in november, knowing, in my heart, that i will have to work for a minimum of 2 years, before i will see any results (i use blogs and adsense).

        When i checked my earnings (i wasn't expecting any) after about 2 weeks, i was shocked and amazed to find out, that i actually made $ 0.45 USD.

        I know, to most of you that's a joke, but to me it was a thrill beyond believe, because it simply proofed, that it is possible.

        Now, 5 month later, i have earned a total of about USD 18.-- and i dare say that that's not bad, for a business model that had me make 0 for the first 24 months.

        I am as stoked now, as i was when i earned my first cents, simply because i did not overreach my goals. Too many people quit, because they believe in "get rich quick".

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    • Profile picture of the author votekick
      Originally Posted by wbakhos View Post

      Hey! Watch it.. I drive a BMW...


      Now that's what I like...

      You know oddly enough my brother in-law whom is 22 in his last semester of college drives a BMW. And he is only a teller at a local bank. But then again, his daddy pays all his tuition, house bills and his mom pays his everything else his daddy isn't.
      Plus when a new semester rolls around, he gets those big fat loans and goes ShoPPing. So you see some folks really do have their plans for what cars they want to drive?

      WHATS YOURS ???
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shelton
    Hey, if you'd just post some screenshots, I'd believe ALL of you!
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  • Profile picture of the author soezmoney
    abednego,I sympathize with your experience.Everything is hard in the beginning! I am a novice too,but I have a different experience with you.

    I'll give you four suggestions :
    1.Choose a unique product
    2.Use the correct method
    3.Patience
    4.Self-confidence and optimism

    I hope my advice can give you a hand.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rickling
      Originally Posted by soezmoney View Post

      abednego,I sympathize with your experience.Everything is hard in the beginning! I am a novice too,but I have a different experience with you.

      I'll give you four suggestions :
      1.Choose a unique product
      2.Use the correct method
      3.Patience
      4.Self-confidence and optimism

      I hope my advice can give you a hand.
      Use correct method hmmm which is asked the fifty million dollar man?
      if we all new that we would be that man!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    "I drive a BMW!"
    You're right, I don't drive a BMW.


    I like my Mercedes Benz much better than any cheesy BMW!
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  • Profile picture of the author Anthony K
    Dont give up broski. Im a noobie too (5 weeks) but all im doing is trying and improving. I mean, I JUST bought 3 domains!E$@#$ Seriously! What is driving me to do this is I dont want to do the 9-5 rat race. I want to have TIME! The most precious amount of wealth a man can have is time, or something along the lines of that. Do what you love and the rest will follow. I know theres a part in everyones career regardless of IM or not where they hit that GODDAMN wall! But get a sledgehammer and break that down. Do stuff in tiny bite sized pieces. Ask yourself what you want to do today and how are you going to get it done. Ive realized that even if you pay for hand holding, the best teachers is yourself! Good Luck man!
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    • Profile picture of the author abednego
      Originally Posted by pappyy3 View Post

      Whilst I agree with everyone's comments, I can also sympathise with what the original poster has said.

      Many of the so called Guru's promote their products and services in such a way as to make people believe they WILL make money almost immediately.
      Exactly. You have to look at this from an outsider's perspective. Crazy claims from these "make a billion dollars overnight" utterly and completely sounds like bull****. What surprises me most - is how many different products are out there promising overnight success.

      I take a lot of things with just a grain of salt. I am a skeptic at heart and I question everything.

      Do you believe such outrageous claims ruin someone's reputation; or even the world of affiliate marketing? I would think they would...

      Originally Posted by cindyt View Post

      I'm interested to know what the word is that you missed between at and life....
      "win".

      Originally Posted by Chris Ramsey View Post

      Depends on the service. Normally I charge $2,500 for a sales letter (copywriting). But I've done a lot of work for offline clients which has paid above and beyond that.
      This intrigues me. Just to clarify, you'll write a letter to promote a product... and charge $2500 for it?

      Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

      I love this thread and I love how the OP keeps an open mind and welcomes the responses. This is what it's all about here.

      I guess we all have found a benefit from one of our fellow marketers products and services and at some point we have all gotten burned as well.

      So we all get to see it from both sides of the track.

      A very successful marketer may look at the success of another marketer and find him or her self salavating. The difference can be huge.

      One day we find ourselves making a post like this one and down the road we find ourselves talking about how much loot we made..that's just how it is.

      There are roadmaps to follow but we all get so distracted looking for a shortcut we never get to the destination.
      Thank you for your response. I am very open to all forms of criticism... it sometimes surprises me on how people do not want differing opinions (not even from a business standpoint... but even personal relationships, etc) At my day job, I'll sometimes listen into our conference calls with our CEO, and he will even take this a step further... yelling and belittling someone for their thought or idea; even if he agrees with it!! He does this just to see how strong they are as a person; and how well their idea holds up. I may not go as far as to do that, as I believe its a little too assertive and lowers moral, but I understand the underlying principal behind it.

      Originally Posted by mainstreamad View Post

      If those are your strong points you may want to consider forms of paid advertising like ppc for instance. I know you need some money upfront, but in my experience I have seen people with those skills sets do VERY well in that arena.
      Have you personally done that? I've looked into it slightly; but was put off by "outrageous claims". Would you suggest a free guide, something to read, or could you give further advice on it?

      Originally Posted by cdmiller87 View Post

      doing 2 sales in your first couple months may seem disappointing, but most noob affiliate marketers seem to give it 6 months with no sales and then quit, so the fact that you have any sales means something.

      IMO it makes the most sense to try marketing something that you relate to very well.
      Some examples:
      -if you are experienced with relationships, that is a hot niche you can get into
      -weight loss
      -cures, like acne loss

      the more you can relate to the niche, the more stories you can write and therefore build trust and rapport with people.

      The only way to get someone to pull out their wallet is to create trust with them. It's one of the hardest things in the world to do.

      There is no real automation in this.
      I am a nerd at heart - and feel I could provide value to those who aren't as socially experienced as me... I would love to get into the relationship advice niche, but can't justify another domain investment until my other 3 niches become more profitable.

      Originally Posted by soezmoney View Post

      abednego,I sympathize with your experience.Everything is hard in the beginning! I am a novice too,but I have a different experience with you.

      I'll give you four suggestions :
      1.Choose a unique product
      2.Use the correct method
      3.Patience
      4.Self-confidence and optimism

      I hope my advice can give you a hand.
      Would you care to elaborate on #2 ?

      *EDIT*

      Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully View Post

      ...
      I looked at the reviews of affiliate products you have on your site and the hyperlinks to the product pages don't really look like hyperlinks. They're in a black font color, instead of the usual blue. It could be that people don't even realize they're clickable links. If there's a way to change it to a blue hyperlink, I'd do that.
      ...
      Really n00b question, I know, but how do I change the color of my links? I can't find a "FONT COLOR" for the life of me within WordPress...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Well, I don't believe that you don't believe us that we don't believe that you wouldn't believe if we believed, so you don't believe and we don't believe that you believe either, so........don't believe it.

    Believe that.

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    • Profile picture of the author simplenfun
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Well, I don't believe that you don't believe us that we don't believe that you wouldn't believe if we believed, so you don't believe and we don't believe that you believe either, so........don't believe it.

      Believe that.

      RoD
      Now I'm confusing.
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  • Profile picture of the author tonyaphx
    The bad part is the people who do make the big $$$ they also fail to let you in on how much they spent on paid advertising, ect to bring in the big $$$. I do believe you can make big $$$ without spending a ton on advertising, but you are not going to do it over night. It called planting your seeds. After you prepare your garden, dig, rake, plant seeds, water, water, wait and then in about 4 to 6 months your garden will grow with all of the hard work behind you. When you first start you may only get a few visits to your site, but the more you work at it and do what you are taught you will start to see the money come in. Give it time, your garden will not grow over night.
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  • Profile picture of the author poker princess
    I dont think its completely fake.
    Yes this is unbelievable that you get PR7 in 48 hours,

    But its achieveable to get a BMW

    I am on the 2nd page of google in every possible keyword I have done SEO for from last 6 months. And yes because of that my sales enquiries have doubled since last month.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I have made five figures in 24 hours before, but you know what? It took me 5 years to get to the point where I could do that....

    Anyone who tells you that you can make money without work and that you could do it in 24 hours without any advance work is simply pulling your leg...
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  • Profile picture of the author Power and Wealth
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    Why not just tell us what you've been doing, what HAS worked (how you got those 2 sales) and MAYBE someone can help you, instead of wasting everyone's time with a hateful post.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    "Oh look, my PR is 7 after 48 hours"

    "Wow I just made $438,548,548 lastnight!"

    "All you have to do is BELIEVE in your HEART you can do it, and you can be on page 1 of google within 3 days!!"

    "I drive a BMW!"

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    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!

    That's the attitude! Clearly you're not a quitter.

    Move along, there are no profits to be had here.

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    Originally Posted by abednego View Post

    "Oh look, my PR is 7 after 48 hours"

    "Wow I just made $438,548,548 lastnight!"

    "All you have to do is BELIEVE in your HEART you can do it, and you can be on page 1 of google within 3 days!!"

    "I drive a BMW!"

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    Sorry, but I don't believe any one of you!

    I've been doing this for a couple months now, and only have 2 sales to show for it. I usually at life, so if I can't do the above, I doubt anyone can!
    Sorry, but believe me you can get to page 1 of google within three days relatively easily for a niche market. Maybe not for a generalised keyword, but for a niche keyword then yes it is completely doable. Obviously you will move up and down the rankings for a week or two, but you can still retain that spot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by fryerben View Post

      Sorry, but believe me you can get to page 1 of google within three days relatively easily for a niche market. Maybe not for a generalised keyword, but for a niche keyword then yes it is completely doable.
      ON the money. Keyword research is the foundation SEO empires are built on but when you put it together with the PR7 in 48 hours (which was downright hilarious - two thumbs up) I think I get his drift.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkSherris
    hmmmm...how to answer...

    Put it this way... if you want to learn to play the piano, you can't just sit down and play grade 8 music can you? - It takes, time, and you need to "learn" how to play...(maybe get lessons, and your tutor will teach you the right techniques etc to get better) - years later, maybe you'll be playing top level music.

    You can't just "drive a car" or "ride a bike" you need to learn how to!

    Similarly you couldn't go from being a car salesman to being a doctor could you?

    My point is, people have a big mis-conception that they can come on the interent and start making money straight away....just like EVERYTHING there's a method/technique etc that you've got to learn in order to succeed and be good at what you want to do.

    People do make a lot of money on the interent, but they didn't always....the people who do have most likely failed a bunch of times before they found success, and also they've educated themselves!

    Hope this makes sense
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  • I see one of your problems. If you are promoting T Dubs Farmville Secrets, you are wasting your time.

    I spent a good bit of moneyt testing that product. I ran traffic directly to the sales page. I created a landing page. Then, I created a squeeze page offering the a free guide on the subject.

    The squeeze page converted very well. Over 75% of the visitors entered their email addresses. Out of 400 on the mailing list - NOT ONE SALE. In fact, I did a broadcast 10 days after the campaign, and those people flagged it as spam at 42%

    Anyway, 800 HOPS - no sales. All from the most lazer targeted of traffic. It has a high gravity, but I have no idea how.

    Pick your niches a little better. If you can analyze data, spend more time doning that. Driving traffic to products that dont convert will get you nowhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    Some products are simply things that people don't want, have no use for and certainly don't need. In this rough economy, most people are not going to spend money on anything that isn't essential or doesn't put money back in their pockets. That said, try and find a good affiliate program with products that people might actually want and/or need and focus on selling them or come up with your own products. This isn't as easy as most people would like or expect it to be, but there is definitely money to be made if you know how to make it. Some people actually make things harder on themselves than they need to be.

    You could drive all the traffic in the world to a particular product and if no one wants it or gives a damn about it, it's not going to convert.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    You are promoting products that are quite dumb and are of no use. Farmville consists of mainly wannabe people who aren't going to buy. Nor is the penny stock niche. One reason it's too competitive. The other reason, the products suck. THey are absolutely of no use to most people. And they do have a high refund rate.

    If you really want to see success, hire a mentor or coach or some sort of accountability parnter. A mastermind...

    Seems like you don't have the nerve to work for it. You are just ready to swipe your credit card for just about anything.

    People like you mostly start with Wealthy Affiliate. And if you're one of those newbies who got into that program, QUIT.

    You are not going to be successful through Wealthy Affiliate. Waste of 30 bucks a month. Warrior Forum is the best place to start and aks your question.

    We have pros, intermediates and the newbies here. This is absolutely the best place. I don't know why I didn't start off here. Only came here after four years.

    All of us contribute in every single way and provide a lot of value.

    Search for the CHEMGUY on YOutube. He teaches Chemistry. You can teach Math. Guys like me need help from the pros. And if you launch of a MAth product on Trigonometry, Calcilus and Algebra I'd be the first one to buy. A Home Study course is what I need...
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  • Profile picture of the author SmartyD
    I don't think you should believe that you can make ??? in 48 hours. I mean we are all marketers and obviously that's what makes the sale. A lot of people when they start think that this is a get rich quick thing so when they see the headline make ??? in just 5 min they jump on it. For those that have been doing this know very damn well this takes time and effort just like everything else in life. My advice is hey at least you got two sales, I get some cents a day from a click and I am content with it just because I know little by little those cents will turn into bucks and so on and so on as long as I am willing to stick to it. So you made two sales go have a drink......
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