Ad Swaps are all the rage... do you consider the negatives?

by jbode
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Hey Warriors

Ad Swaps have grown a lot in popularity throughout the past year
But, most people seem to be going overboard...

I'm guilty too - I've done it in the past and I've built a list really fast!

You see when you do it all the time you increase the people competing against you for that subscriber and you train your subscribers not to buy...

They think they will get it for free in exchange for their name and email from you later (via ad swaps)

think about it and consider limiting the amount of ad swaps you do... there are plenty of other ways to get subscribers
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  • Profile picture of the author Raygun
    I agree with you, plus it really is a poor way to treat your list. I have said it before on here, but not enough people talk about how important it is to make sure you are treating your list very well. If I was on someone's list and they were sending me a new offer to buy something else every other week I would be sick of them too. The moral of the story is, treat your list right!
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    Yeah exactly... I forgot to mention that

    When people see that you are no longer providing value to them (just sending them to free and paid offers), then they won't read your emails anyways
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    thisis really bad advice... and both posters dont know what they are talking about

    I know im going to get some missiles aimed at me for this one. but this needs to be refuted or some poor sod is going to go down the wrong path.

    Doing ad swaps with other marketers is a good idea with no minus points

    Robert
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesPenn
      There are plenty of minus points:

      1. Your subscribers will be signed up to more lists meaning their inboxes will be more full and therefore a lower open rate for you.

      2. Your subscribers will become tired of free products hidden behind a squeeze page and therefore your open rates will lower.

      3. You could send subscribers to a poor offer, or an unethical marketer, therefore your subscribers are unlikely to trust you in the future.

      I see some marketers that are doing one adswap per day, 7 days a week, 30 days a month. All their emails are dedicated to adswaps. They aren't actually using their list to promote products, earn commissions or sell their own stuff - so what's the point of having it?

      Adswaps are a powerful way to build your list fast, but they should be used with caution and not to excess.

      James

      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      thisis really bad advice... and both posters dont know what they are talking about

      I know im going to get some missiles aimed at me for this one. but this needs to be refuted or some poor sod is going to go down the wrong path.

      Doing ad swaps with other marketers is a good idea with no minus points

      Robert
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      • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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        Originally Posted by JamesPenn View Post

        There are plenty of minus points:

        1. Your subscribers will be signed up to more lists meaning their inboxes will be more full and therefore a lower open rate for you.

        2. Your subscribers will become tired of free products hidden behind a squeeze page and therefore your open rates will lower.

        3. You could send subscribers to a poor offer, or an unethical marketer, therefore your subscribers are unlikely to trust you in the future.

        I see some marketers that are doing one adswap per day, 7 days a week, 30 days a month. All their emails are dedicated to adswaps. They aren't actually using their list to promote products, earn commissions or sell their own stuff - so what's the point of having it?

        Adswaps are a powerful way to build your list fast, but they should be used with caution and not to excess.

        James
        You hit the nail on the head! or should i say the adswap on the head!
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    • Profile picture of the author matthewd
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      thisis really bad advice... and both posters dont know what they are talking about

      I know im going to get some missiles aimed at me for this one. but this needs to be refuted or some poor sod is going to go down the wrong path.

      Doing ad swaps with other marketers is a good idea with no minus points

      Robert
      No minus points?

      I disagree... I've tested it and seen my open rates drop
      from adswaps.

      Swaps can still be good, but they definitely have some
      down sides to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
    Originally Posted by jbode View Post

    Hey Warriors

    Ad Swaps have grown a lot in popularity throughout the past year
    But, most people seem to be going overboard...

    I'm guilty too - I've done it in the past and I've built a list really fast!

    You see when you do it all the time you increase the people competing against you for that subscriber and you train your subscribers not to buy...

    They think they will get it for free in exchange for their name and email from you later (via ad swaps)

    think about it and consider limiting the amount of ad swaps you do... there are plenty of other ways to get subscribers

    Oh boy!, somebody get my own guardian big dog off my rear end, SOON, HURRY!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Vegas
    I have to disagree on the simple fact that I know individuals making large sums doing this as much as twice a day.

    But that level of use is not really my game for other reasons.

    Regardless I have to agree on one point...it never hurts to diversify in the event that one method fails to yield historical results, and you are very correct that there are tons of other ways to get subs.

    Historically, people look for the easiest, most mindless and repetitive means to build a business online, and eventually ruin a good thing by abuse and misunderstanding.

    I'm not convinced this is one of them yet, or that it creates non-buyers, but there are certainly repercussions being overlooked.

    Particularly quality of partners should be considered. Too many people are throwing junk online to ride what they see as a sure thing. I can't in good conscience push junk offers around.

    The timeless lesson is that there are right ways and wrong ways to work a method.

    Frequency isn't really the limiting issue though. Bad offers, poor relationship management, and improper targeting are much more important to consider avoiding.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    I am not sure what the difference is. I am signed up to a lot of marketers lists and they most all are competing to sell me the same stuff. In the end, it's how you treat your subscribers that will make the difference.

    Face it, they are going to be on somebody's list, might as well be yours.

    And like it was said, I know a lot of marketers that do quite well with ad swaps.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    I'm not saying you can't make money with ad swaps (you can make a lot of money with them)... just do it with your subscribers best interest in mind

    If you do it every day of course you're going to burn out your list!
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
      Originally Posted by jbode View Post

      I'm not saying you can't make money with ad swaps (you can make a lot of money with them)... just do it with your subscribers best interest in mind

      If you do it every day of course you're going to burn out your list!

      You pretty much burn out your list as soon as you send the first promotion and get some buyers from it (if you did not have a good continuity plan put in place before you sent it out), That is what is so important to ALWAYS have a killer upsale put in place just in case...
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    And definitely take time to see if the swap is providing some killer value for your subscribers, even to compliment your list/target market.

    Not all ad swaps are created equal.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    Hey I guess I'm not the only one who feels this way... and Robert Puddy says I don't know what I'm talking about!

    @JamesPenn - great explanation thanks for sharing

    @Mattewd - I've noticed the same thing
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  • Profile picture of the author markfb
    Ad Swaps are being flogged to death by every man and his dog.I have now started to unsubscribe from anyone who sends me more than 1 a week.If used in moderation and with the correct partners it can be a great way to build your list.The problem is in the quest to build their list as quickly and easily as possible a lot of marketers forget how to look after a list and treat their subscribers purely as a number rather than a potential customer.
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