An IM System that works

14 years ago

I think that this is relevant to many things. What obviously has worked for me may not necessarily work for you. And I think a lot of expert IMers will agree with me. There are many ways of making decent money online, but regardless of the success one person may have with a program, if YOU as a person do not give it your all, a miracle will NOT happen.

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Sean Alexander

14 years ago

I believe that the most important aspect of success online is simply taking action. There are many methods that have worked for many people, but only because those people have put in the effort required for success.

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Mrs S

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sean Alexander

I believe that the most important aspect of success online is simply taking action. There are many methods that have worked for many people, but only because those people have put in the effort required for success.

This is probably the best piece of advice you can give any newbie. Too many people think they can find a system that will just make money for them while they sleep. Unfortunately you have to put an awful lot of time and effort into the system before that happens!

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scrofford

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mrs S

This is probably the best piece of advice you can give any newbie. Too many people think they can find a system that will just make money for them while they sleep. Unfortunately you have to put an awful lot of time and effort into the system before that happens!

But you have to take the RIGHT action. You could be taking all sorts of action for years and not get anywhere. I once read a thread here that a person had actually put in 15 years into IM and NEVER MADE A DIME. Everyone here says to take massive action, but it must be the RIGHT action to be successful.

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Soapyshoe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by scrofford

But you have to take the RIGHT action. You could be taking all sorts of action for years and not get anywhere. I once read a thread here that a person had actually put in 15 years into IM and NEVER MADE A DIME. Everyone here says to take massive action, but it must be the RIGHT action to be successful.

I hear "take action" a lot in the IM world.

The problem is, people have no idea what the "right" actions are, and they have no way to evaluate which actions are wrong.

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scrofford

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Soapyshoe

I hear "take action" a lot in the IM world.

The problem is, people have no idea what the "right" actions are, and they have no way to evaluate which actions are wrong.

That's where trial and error comes in. It's not hard to open some threads around here and read and try things out. It's not hard to go through some courses or get some coaching and maybe even try some of your own ideas.

If you keep hearing the same thing over and over like "you need to build a list of subscribers" then you can research that and find out how to do it. Then if that particular way doesn't work, try another one. Taking the "right" action might take some time to learn. It might take some time to learn what the right actions are. But if you are serious about making money online you will research and dig to find out what the "right" actions are.

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Clint Butler

14 years ago

I concur with ContentArticleWriter, no matter how good a system is, if you don't set your mind to making it work your are wasting your time. Of course some ARE better than others, and if your a newbie and looking for a system taylored for newbies check out my signature link. However, if your more advanced looking at doing affiliate marketing and SEO you need system that will teach you those concepts and ideas. Suggest you check out this Social Group and see what you think.

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Damz

14 years ago

Squeeze page+free offer+traffic= Simple yet effective business model

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scrofford 14 years ago

Originally Posted by DamZ

Squeeze page+free offer+traffic= Simple yet effective business model

But it is an incomplete model....where is the "business" in your business model? Just giving away free offers will not make you anything. Obviously there has to be more like SELLING a product possibly? Something to think about.
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TimG

14 years ago

Here is a basic system that produces results:

TRAFFIC sent to a SQUEEZE PAGE that provides a FREE OFFER with a OTO (whether they sign up or not) followed by an AUTORESPONDER SEQUENCE designed to build a relatonship and achieve a sale.

Also, my experience has been that the following ways make you money:

Adsense (makes the least amount unless you are a real stud)
Affiliate Products (can do better then adsense)
PLR Products (can do better then affiliate products)
Your Own Products (can make the most money)

Respectfully,
Tim

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Soapyshoe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimG

Here is a basic system that produces results:

TRAFFIC sent to a SQUEEZE PAGE that provides a FREE OFFER with a OTO (whether they sign up or not) followed by an AUTORESPONDER SEQUENCE designed to build a relatonship and achieve a sale.

Also, my experience has been that the following ways make you money:

Adsense (makes the least amount unless you are a real stud)
Affiliate Products (can do better then adsense)
PLR Products (can do better then affiliate products)
Your Own Products (can make the most money)

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Tim

How is an experienced IMer supposed to actually pull that off successfully?

It's very, very difficult to pull that off, especially if you have no idea what you're doing.

P.S. Why not build the relationship outside of the autoresponder?

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TimG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Soapyshoe

How is an experienced IMer supposed to actually pull that off successfully?

It's very, very difficult to pull that off, especially if you have no idea what you're doing.

P.S. Why not build the relationship outside of the autoresponder?

Hey brother, you're joking right.....if someone can't figure out how to do that within 6 months (especially if they visit this forum) then they need to find a new line of work.

There are plenty of examples of people going from nothing to making a ton within 6 months. Of course, they busted their tail to get there.

Good example - Lee McIntyre.

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Tim

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Soapyshoe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimG

Hey brother, you're joking right.....if someone can't figure out how to do that within 6 months (especially if they visit this forum) then they need to find a new line of work.

There are plenty of examples of people going from nothing to making a ton within 6 months. Of course, they busted their tail to get there.

Good example - Lee McIntyre.

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Tim

It's not a matter of figuring out how to do it. It's a matter of the person being able to create the right mentality in order to pull it off successfully.

If a person is applying a job mentality to internet marketing, they're dead-in-the-water, no matter how good the system is, no matter how hard they work.

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Mike Long

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Soapyshoe

It's not a matter of figuring out how to do it. It's a matter of the person being able to create the right mentality in order to pull it off successfully.

If a person is applying a job mentality to internet marketing, they're dead-in-the-water, no matter how good the system is, no matter how hard they work.

I actually agree with you there, which is why I wrote this.

Hope it helps!
~Mike

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Mike Long

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Soapyshoe

How is an experienced IMer supposed to actually pull that off successfully?

It's very, very difficult to pull that off, especially if you have no idea what you're doing.

P.S. Why not build the relationship outside of the autoresponder?

If Tim's system seems like too much, let's strip it down even more...

1. Write an ebook in a niche that is both proven to be a money maker, and an area where you have some interest and/or knowledge. It doesn't have to be long. 20-30 pages is plenty if you cover the topic and solve a problem your niche is having.

2. Create a sales letter. It doesn't have to be anything fancy. Even non-copywriters can put a "good enough" letter together from an outline. 30 minutes of searching here at the WF should give you all the basics you need.

3. Put your Ebook up on E-Junkie. Sell it for $9.95.

4. Start writing articles. Learn a little (very) basic SEO. Post the articles behind your sales letter in a blog. Post them to EZA. Post them to ArticlesBase.

5. Keep writing. 4 articles a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year, posted in 3 places means 3,000 pieces of syndicated content and a minimum of 2,000 backlinks to your site in 12 months.

You absolutely WILL make money doing this. In less than 6 months too. Nice short learning curve.

Is it the most cost-effective use of your time in IM? Probably not.

Is it a simple, effective plan that is workable by nearly anyone?

Yes.

Hope this helps!
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butters

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Soapyshoe

How is an experienced IMer supposed to actually pull that off successfully?

It's very, very difficult to pull that off, especially if you have no idea what you're doing.

What is actually complicated about that?

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dem0x7

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimG

Here is a basic system that produces results:

TRAFFIC sent to a SQUEEZE PAGE that provides a FREE OFFER with a OTO (whether they sign up or not) followed by an AUTORESPONDER SEQUENCE designed to build a relatonship and achieve a sale.

Also, my experience has been that the following ways make you money:

Adsense (makes the least amount unless you are a real stud)
Affiliate Products (can do better then adsense)
PLR Products (can do better then affiliate products)
Your Own Products (can make the most money)

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Tim

So if you have your own product, do you still send everyone to your squeeze page for a Free offer, and then just advertise the book with your list, or can you send the traffic to the actual sales page for the book?

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Mike Long

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dem0x7

So if you have your own product, do you still send everyone to your squeeze page for a Free offer, and then just advertise the book with your list, or can you send the traffic to the actual sales page for the book?

Simple. TEST.

Every market is different. Some will respond better to a direct offer. Others will respond better to free info and follow up information. Some markets don't lend themselves well to list building.

Try things out a couple of different ways once you have enough traffic to be able to draw some solid conclusions. And don't forget - having your own products opens up a whole new side of info from Google Analytics that is nearly impossible to gain access to an an affiliate!

~Mike

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Soapyshoe

14 years ago

Many IM systems work.

Are you really asking, "Is there a COMPLETE IM system out there?"

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macdough

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Soapyshoe

Many IM systems work.

Are you really asking, "Is there a COMPLETE IM system out there?"

no I'm asking if there is a particular method which as produced more successful IMs than all the others. Also I heard that the easiest way to start marketing on the web is Affiliate Marketing so I've been started down this first (it actually excites me a bit), hopefully a few years later I might want to create a product.

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by macdough

no I'm asking if there is a particular method which as produced more successful IMs than all the others. Also I heard that the easiest way to start marketing on the web is Affiliate Marketing so I've been started down this first (it actually excites me a bit), hopefully a few years later I might want to create a product.

While affiliate marketing may be the simplest way to get started, it's not the easiest. In effect, affiliate marketing is the online version of being an independent sales rep on straight commission.

There are still many skills you need to acquire, whether you sell your own products or others.

If you want a system that has worked for others that includes a simple method of creating your own products, seek out "20 Page Empires" by our own Paul Myers. (Build Your Own Empire - 20 Pages at a Time non-aff)

For a good grounding in running an online business, pick up his free ebook, Need to Know (TalkBiz News: What you really need to know to succeed online - Online business building newsletter)

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TimG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dem0x7

So if you have your own product, do you still send everyone to your squeeze page for a Free offer, and then just advertise the book with your list, or can you send the traffic to the actual sales page for the book?

That depends, as Mike mentions you should always be testing but I do think some niches work better when a squeeze page is involved while others seem to do equally as well without using a squeeze page and merely sending the visitor straight to the product.

Sometimes when I go into research mode I look to see where prolific article marketers are sending the traffic they receive from their published articles. If it goes to a squeeze page I make note of that if it is straight to a product page then I also make a note of that.

In time you will get a feel for what markets need to be sold via squeeze page and autoresponder and which can be sold with a simple product.

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Tim

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helisell

14 years ago

Very succinctly put Tim. That model hasn't changed in the 5 years I've been at this game....and I think it will be a long time before it ever changes.

I think the big point to make is that there are seemingly many ways to make money online....but the one you just described has the most chance of turning into a viable business IMHO.

Hopefully anyone reading this who is not having a good time will be able to ask themselves if their venture has the ingredients you mentioned there.

Very nicely put.

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TimG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by helisell

Very succinctly put Tim. That model hasn't changed in the 5 years I've been at this game....and I think it will be a long time before it ever changes.

I think the big point to make is that there are seemingly many ways to make money online....but the one you just described has the most chance of turning into a viable business IMHO.

Hopefully anyone reading this who is not having a good time will be able to ask themselves if their venture has the ingredients you mentioned there.

Very nicely put.

Most of the most successful marketers that I know have been using this same system with a few minor tweaks here and there and they continue to generate large sums of chedder (dollars) even when the economy says they shouldn't.

Tim

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Neil Riddle

14 years ago

I've purchased several IM products and I'm still not where I want to be yet but they have all offered some value. We are all at different levels of experience and know how. I recently went back and looked at a traffic producing product I bought several months ago that i thought was worthless but got a great deal out of it now. I was at a different knowledge level then as I am now.

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Soapyshoe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by macdough

I am curious what people think is the best IM system that has actually worked for newbies in the industry. Are there any documented figures showing how many people actually succeed (being a full time IM) using a particular "guru's" method?

There is a system called "Site Build It" that has been around for a long time. People will bitch that their web design is outdated, but it has proven to work for niche marketing over the years.

I think SBI is outdated, and I'm creating a full-on system that I am launching in several phases over the next 2 years based on human psychology.

At the moment, I haven't seen a 100% complete system that will reliably take you "all the way". I am confident the system I build can do this.

-Jesse

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by macdough

I am curious what people think is the best IM system that has actually worked for newbies in the industry. Are there any documented figures showing how many people actually succeed (being a full time IM) using a particular "guru's" method?

I doubt you'll find any reliable figures showing what you ask. For a start, if I were in the guru business, I'd be more than happy to trot out some of my biggest success stories -- only they're called "testimonials" -- and very reluctant to mention the failures.

The biggest flaw in what you ask is that you don't need a system or method that works for thousands of people. All you need is a system that works for one person -- you.

TimG laid out a good basic model that HAS made a lot of money for a lot of people over what, in Internet time, is a very long stretch. You just have to find the ways to accomplish each part that work for you.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

There is no best IM system... there are several best IM systemS.

Better choose wisely before jumping on a wagon...

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Deepak Media

14 years ago

When you do business for several years, you learn more about yourself than the business itself. Your unique skills and interests + external opportunity will result in success. It is something you have to figure out for yourself. No one else can do it for you.

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Bosco

14 years ago

I'll add my ditto here.

Bottom line is to learn skills. Get over mental blocks that tell you
that you can't do "technical".

Finding a good teacher is key, and the best newbie & technophobe
mentor I've ever seen -- no one comes close, for me -- is Chris
Farrell.

What he does that others don't (even though they may think they do) is
he doesn't assume you know squat. As soon as you assume somebody
knows something, and they don't, you've lost them (unless you are live
with them.)

You need to find someone who doesn't assume you know anything, and of
course, you have to make the commitment and be willing to work long and
hard, consistently for little or no money, to start.

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Gordon Van Wechel

14 years ago

Sometimes I think "gurus" make more money selling their guru method to IM beginners than they do managing their main business. I say that a little bit tongue in cheek, but it seems like the best known of the internet marketing people have a new product launch two or three times a year.

What I have realized, and this is just for me, is that like in so many other types of business, focus is critical. There will always be a new "latest and greatest" system coming out. Instead of chasing them, find one or two programs that you can understand and make work for you, and then stay focused on those. When you get to the point that you can put them on auto-pilot, and want to expand your business, begin looking for the next program.

Without that initial focus it's difficult to even get started.

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mlord10

14 years ago

The key to a successful IM system is to make a genuine commitment to take action. Driving traffic, giving away a free offer, and building a list is simple, yet very effective. Probably the hardest part of the above equation is driving traffic.

You can drive free traffic with article marketing, video marketing, forum marketing, classified ads, etc. Think of it as getting customers to visit your store. If you give them something of value for free, they are likely to come back

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jeffreysloe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mlord10

The key to a successful IM system is to make a genuine commitment to take action. Driving traffic, giving away a free offer, and building a list is simple, yet very effective. Probably the hardest part of the above equation is driving traffic.

You can drive free traffic with article marketing, video marketing, forum marketing, classified ads, etc. Think of it as getting customers to visit your store. If you give them something of value for free, they are likely to come back

Exactly...people want things of value, and they will buy from you if you have something that adds value to their life. If you have something to offer for free, and you can get that person to sign up on your squeeze page, you can then follow up through an automated "drip" system.

If you can continue to add something of value through your "drip" system, eventually, many people will buy from you. It's just like you said, "give them something of value for free, they are likely to come back." And I will add this, many will come back and a lot will buy.

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Damien Roche

14 years ago

Here's an IM system that works:

Use your head and treat it like a business.

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Soapyshoe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by macdough

I am curious what people think is the best IM system that has actually worked for newbies in the industry. Are there any documented figures showing how many people actually succeed (being a full time IM) using a particular "guru's" method?

Ken Evoy's SBI seems to work. But it's aging miserably.

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Dave Lianelli

14 years ago

Here's three big pointers for you:

1) The big money is made in the backend. Always have upsells, cross sells and high-end products or services in your funnel. You can automate most of it with autoresponders, inbound marketing systems in membership sites and more advanced CRM systems.

2) Know your numbers. When you know how much you can spend to obtain a subscriber, or a lead - you're ahead of competition. The moment you know you can spend ie. $8 to gain a warm lead, you can actually spend that $8 with confidence.

3) Study what guru's DO. While they teach a lot of tactics, techniques and money-making methods, they're excellent sellers. They sold you their product, so that is what works. Study how they operate, how they launch products, their sales funnel, their offers, their guarantees, etcetera.

-Dave

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Anonymous Affiliate

14 years ago

There is NO such as a thing as "systems". This is a business, for Christ's sake, not a cooking recipe. There's no such a thing as "if you do A, B, and C you will make X per month".

That being said: this is all you need: learn how to drive traffic to a squeeze page, offer something valuable for free, and then build a relationship with your subscribers. That is the closest to a "system" you can find.

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macdough

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

There is NO such as a thing as "systems". This is a business, for Christ's sake, not a cooking recipe. There's no such a thing as "if you do A, B, and C you will make X per month".

That being said: this is all you need: learn how to drive traffic to a squeeze page, offer something valuable for free, and then build a relationship with your subscribers. That is the closest to a "system" you can find.

hmmm? ... just a thought - don't all business follow a set of processes... isn't that a system... I am just starting out and really haven't got anything to offer yet, but from what I gather I need to learn skills selling other peoples products first.