Is Internet Marketing Dying?

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Is Internet Marketing Dying?

I think it is. I mean I get the same s**t over and over from these so called gurus.

Some one comes up a with a slight spin on a product or service that's been out there already, and all the gurus line up to sell it to their minions. Sorry for being so brutally hones herel. I'm just tired of it.

Also, every week another one is having a blowout because they are moving on from the guru business. I have removed my main email address from all the so calle gurus autoresponders.

What is your opinion? Is it dying? Is it growing?

By internet marketing, I'm referring to the make money online and here's how products.
#dying #internet #marketing
  • Profile picture of the author donnyh
    LOL.

    The question you need to ask is, will people ever stop buying online?
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    • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
      Originally Posted by donnyh View Post

      LOL.

      The question you need to ask is, will people ever stop buying online?
      Well said Internet marketing is just in its infancy it will get better, and even more technical in the future. Whenever their is a dollar to be made marketers will go after it. But dying hell no.... Just getting started to much money exchanging hands online!

      And the Internet is a global marketplace where you can sell to people around the World from your spare bedroom. How appealing is that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Griffon
    I don't think it's dying, but I agree with you. As the old adage goes "there's a sucker born every minute". There are more ways to make money online than the "how to" products.

    Best to you,
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    It's just changing... it's forever changing and developing
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  • Profile picture of the author Fermin Suero
    Ken, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or if you are thinking that I reached a turning point. LOL what is it?
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  • Profile picture of the author acrasial
    Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post

    Is Internet Marketing Dying?


    What is your opinion? Is it dying? Is it growing?

    By internet marketing, I'm referring to the make money online and here's how products.

    It's about to be REBORN. We get an era of something, people finally get sick of it, and then SOMETHING NEW comes along and changes everything. Then the process repeats itself. It's about to CHANGE is all, and you can either be the one to change it and make that happen, or you can sit around like a pawn and just follow the crowd, and complain about how everything is annoyingly so common right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    IM isn't going anywhere anytime soon, that's a fact. But I get what you're saying...you can only rehash things so much before it all sounds like Charlie Brown's mom...

    Wha wha whaaaa wha whaaaa....
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      In 2003, when I first started online, I saw the same question asked at
      another forum. The question was from another person who had been
      around since the late 90s.

      To everybody who has been around for a while, it's the same old, same old.
      Nothing new. Nothing exciting. Just the same crap.

      What all of you fail to understand is that everyday more and more new
      people come online who don't even know what web hosting is, let alone
      killer IM tactics.

      So I am going to say this as nicely as I can and MAYBE someday it will
      sink into all you jaded old timer's heads.

      You Are Not The Target Market For People Selling How To Make
      Money and/or Marketing Products.

      You're done with the gurus?

      Fine...There are millions of people out there still buying basic "how to"
      information EVERY SINGLE DAY.

      It's the same tired, boring, and at this point, annoying argument over and
      over that people have about:

      Long Sales Copy
      Article Marketing
      Free Reports
      Adsense
      Email Marketing
      List Building

      And on and on and on and on about every little single thing that you're so
      sick and tired of.

      My friend...if you're sick and tired of it...DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH YOUR
      LIFE.

      It isn't going to go away.

      It isn't going to die.

      If anything, with more and more people getting online everyday, it's going
      to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

      I'm making more money today than I made in 2003 when everybody THEN
      was saying that the bubble was about to burst.

      It will burst when God almighty opens up the heavens and turns this
      miserable rock into a glop of Play-Doh

      End of rant.
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      • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
        I'd say their is no place for IM to go but up.

        Billions of dollars are spent and made online.

        Nothing else compares to the profits you can
        you can make.

        As far as rehash content, make your own, sell
        your own and stop worrying about the other
        guy.

        Just get on with your business.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jim Phillips
          The whole world is our market. For just a few dollars
          a month or less anybody can reach out.

          I love it...

          In the offline world I spent thousands each month to
          rent store front space. Online you don't have to spend
          a penny.

          Talk about leveling the playing field for everyone...

          "Many of the great achievements of the world were
          accomplished by tired and discouraged men who kept
          on working." (I guess we might as well add women
          next to men.)

          Internet marketing is alive and well. Growing and still
          expanding. Success is opened to everyone who is willing
          to persevere.

          More consumers are coming online everyday. Fill there
          desires. Give them what they want.

          Best Regards,

          Jim

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          Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful
          people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is
          almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of
          educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone
          are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always
          will solve the problems of the human race"
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          • Profile picture of the author butters
            Didn't you get the memo? It died like 6 months ago, terrible, horrific virus went around and deleted everything .

            Seriously

            IM will never die, Guru business will never die, why, they have something it common, there are always new people coming online. Online marketing will always be here, all what changes are the rules.
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      • Profile picture of the author Igor Pauer
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        In 2003, when I first started online, I saw the same question asked at
        another forum. The question was from another person who had been
        around since the late 90s.

        To everybody who has been around for a while, it's the same old, same old.
        Nothing new. Nothing exciting. Just the same crap.
        Oh, thank you, now I am feeling like old dinosaur I think the prices in IM is falling, the saturation of the market is higher and higher. I remember the old days in early 90´s when "managers" in TV was assuring people that those pyramids adn MLM´s will never fall down because new and new people are coming in

        Bad comparison?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jessica Martinez
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      IM isn't going anywhere anytime soon, that's a fact. But I get what you're saying...you can only rehash things so much before it all sounds like Charlie Brown's mom...

      Wha wha whaaaa wha whaaaa....
      Lol! Thats so true!
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    Internet Marketing is getting saturated.
    Meaning there is more competition due to some quality gurus
    finally showing newbies a clear path to success.
    But there are still many who give up too soon and
    a fresh crop of newbies eager to learn.
    Like Amanda stated "it is forever changing".
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  • Profile picture of the author Fermin Suero
    Justin,

    I get what you are saying but that's part of the problem. Someone does a little innovating and soon all the "usual suspects" are there ramming it down our throats.

    I guess I'm partly at fault, I'm signed up on everyone's list (to keep a pulse on the industry) and just get bombarded everytime something comes out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary King
      Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post

      Justin,

      I get what you are saying but that's part of the problem. Someone does a little innovating and soon all the "usual suspects" are there ramming it down our throats.

      I guess I'm partly at fault, I'm signed up on everyone's list (to keep a pulse on the industry) and just get bombarded everytime something comes out.

      Hey Fermin,

      Two things to consider:

      1 - how about *being* the one that innovates, then all the "usual suspects" might just be your JV partners, raking in cash for you?

      2 - Being on lists is a personal thing - many warriors have sworn off them exactly as you say you have. Here's one possible take on it - don't read them as the target market of the email, read them as a student - learn from the ladies and gents that are sending them to you... what's good, what's bad. Which ones did you open/ignore? Which ones made you want to click?

      Grab that free (other than your time of course) knowledge and use it to increase your open/response rates.

      I have a separate junk email just for the lists and peruse it when I have time examining this way. Have a great day!
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  • Profile picture of the author PerfectedWeb
    Internet marketing is such a large topic, narrowing it to gurus selling rehash mmo products is a mistake in my opinion. IM is way more than just that, and is really not about to die anytime soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fermin Suero
    I guess I should have said, "Is the IM Guru business dying" in the title.

    But I guess that won't be dying anytime soon either.

    In any other business there are 2 to 3 competitors that rise to the top and dominate the industry. Not here.

    Imagine if anyone could build their own cars and market them easily? What a nightmare it would be.

    Well with the IM Guru Business, because everyone wants to sell to the next newbie, there is so much mis-information. People push any product for the almighty dollar.

    I'm not saying everyone. There are some great guys and gals that I repect in this business.
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    • Profile picture of the author acrasial
      Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post

      I guess I should have said, "Is the IM Guru business dying" in the title.

      But I guess that won't be dying anytime soon either.
      Any time you really want to know if something is dying out, look at history. It repeats itself, but just manifests those things through different forms. For instance, we have always had experts. We have had Aristotle, we have had Aesop, we have had many people up until Einstein himself, and even past.


      As mentioned, there are always people coming along who change things in a big way, and then we move forward in that new era of enlightenment from those people. It's only the form which changes, not the mean itself.


      People still get into relationships, they still work, they still eat, they still sleep, they still do everything they did 2000 years ago, but we just have different ways of doing it now, and that will continuously change. Likewise for these "gurus", they are just people who show us another way of doing something sometimes.


      I also think that due to the overkill of the word, people have come to associate the term itself with douchebag folk who love to toot their own horn just a bit too much, and also like to feed the masses their load of crap.


      That of course, is everyone's choice to think whatever they want of whoever they want, but the term "guru" itself, is definitely being turned into something it wasn't meant to be. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a swear word in our life time.
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    • Profile picture of the author YseUp
      Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post


      In any other business there are 2 to 3 competitors that rise to the top and dominate the industry. Not here.

      Imagine if anyone could build their own cars and market them easily? What a nightmare it would be.
      .
      Surely it's better to have a diverse and competitive market place?
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post

      I guess I should have said, "Is the IM Guru business dying" in the title.

      But I guess that won't be dying anytime soon either.

      In any other business there are 2 to 3 competitors that rise to the top and dominate the industry. Not here.

      Imagine if anyone could build their own cars and market them easily? What a nightmare it would be.

      Well with the IM Guru Business, because everyone wants to sell to the next newbie, there is so much mis-information. People push any product for the almighty dollar.

      I'm not saying everyone. There are some great guys and gals that I repect in this business.

      Thats why ONline Im is a level playing field

      If only 2 or 3 people could be doing it successfully it wouldnt be so popular, the very fact that hundreds of people can make sales from it means it's just right for the ordinary guy/gal to go out an make money doing the same.

      If only 3 people could be successful at it, youd bitch about that.

      I have to ask you... are you using any of that so called rehashed crap ?

      because it all works, and if your just bitching because you cant make it work then why should we bother listening to you.

      Use it, make it work

      Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    It's sure not easy to make a sale online as it was a few years ago but
    "dying" is a strong word to use here. If you're at the point where you
    are not learning anything new then it simply means that you have all
    the information you need to start teaching to the new comers.

    As soon as you take what you know for granted you meet people who
    have no idea what you are talking about.

    What may be 'old tricks' to you can be a breakthrough idea for another
    person.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jimian
    It ain't DYING... but it's getting super-saturated... that's why people are talking their ONline knowledge and going OFFline with it... to offline marketing consulting.

    Better to be a BIG fish in a SMALL pond.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Vegas
    The very fact that this topic has come up repeatedly for the last 5 years, should indicate enough. The sky is not falling...at least not for another 2 years.

    There's a constant ebb and flow of people coming online, or moving to different levels of experience, and you're currently stuck in the middle.

    First thing, if you're seeing the same thing over and over and you feel that you know it all, it means you're not doing what works, and still looking for something that isn't there.

    However, the existence of this post indicates you may not know as much as you think you know about marketing online.

    Wake up and realize two things... there are core fundamentals to everything that never change.

    If you start to notice certain "rehashed" topics show up, maybe those are worth trying out, or capitalizing on.

    Next, just because someone creates a different course on that topic doesn't mean it's not useful to someone else. I would much rather get a current course on list building, than one from 5 years ago...even if it's "rehashed". Further more, I'd much rather get it from someone I know, like, and trust. (aka a guru)

    You'll find the same thing in physical books, just take a look at how many management books are in the business section.

    People should probably stop making diet books too, they just rehash - eat less, eat healthier, exercise more...

    Also bodybuilding books need to stop getting published, sick of the same old - lift progressively heavier weights, isolate muscle groups, eat lots of protein...

    Now this is important, you might want to question your contempt for the "gurus" and their practices.

    Is it bad to have massive influence and reach?

    Is it bad to create new products around long tested methods and strategies?

    Put yourself in their shoes...in the process of having a huge audience, how does one stop someone like yourself from being on their list?

    Should that person remove their good product that is helpful and insightful to someone who hasn't a clue about the topic, just for the person that considers it rehashed?

    Does that make them bad?

    And why would you call their list "minions"... what would you call your own subscriber list, and why?

    In my experience, your problem is not that internet marketing is dying, but that you've reached a new level within it and need to evolve.

    You also find it easier to criticize, than take action.

    If internet marketing is dying, and the practices are bad, get out there and revolutionize the market place. Prove your new strategies, and share the results.

    My practical suggestion...

    Get off so many lists, start doing something, and seek out the leaders that compliment your current position, and struggles. Instead of assuming all the market leaders are bad, start getting to know them and make an informed decision, and become one. Yes, there are some gurus I won't associate with, but there are others that are fantastic and amazing people.

    Here's how I go about my business...when I wanted to learn big launches, I got a launch course. When I wanted to outsource, I researched outsourcing...and when I was working on what I already knew I didn't pay attention to anything else beyond improving my results. Give it a go and don't worry about "the death of".
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  • Profile picture of the author HenryCorbett
    Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post

    Is Internet Marketing Dying?

    I think it is. I mean I get the same s**t over and over from these so called gurus.

    Some one comes up a with a slight spin on a product or service that's been out there already, and all the gurus line up to sell it to their minions. Sorry for being so brutally hones herel. I'm just tired of it.

    Also, every week another one is having a blowout because they are moving on from the guru business. I have removed my main email address from all the so calle gurus autoresponders.

    What is your opinion? Is it dying? Is it growing?

    By internet marketing, I'm referring to the make money online and here's how products.

    No way!

    Its the system of life, Maybe all the Copycat Guru's will be noticed for what they really are - but as for Internet Marketing dying on a whole - I doubt it very much.

    Anyway, You only need to worry about that if you are looking to start as a "Guru" and sell Make Money type of products.

    If you are actually using the techniques in other markets (Not the little ones) then I can honestly say you'll be ok - Weight loss, Forex,Dating etc will be around as long as our economy is...

    I guess what I am trying to say is... The Face's might die, the Concept wont - Ill forever buy things off of the greats like Tony Robbins, Brian, Ted...

    So my answer is no...

    Hope Ive got some thought juices flowing lol
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  • Profile picture of the author oyruhere
    Er! Are you joking? If Internet Marketing is simply the marketing of products and services over the Internet then we've barely scratched the surface. It's a brave new world where we're all going to be riding recumbant bicycles, driving golf carts and bathing in sun block. Manufacturing will be completely automated, video conferencing will mean every one works from home (so office parties will be rubbish ) and fuel will be so expensive everybody will have to shop online (providing they've got their own wind farm of course).

    I'm being really silly but I hope I've made my point. New markets are emerging all the time and the only consistent growth sector throughout this recession has been online retail.

    Change is inevitable and many of the old marketing models are pretty clapped out but I'm sure new "gurus" will emerge and new entrepreneurs will make mega bucks while those unable to adapt will see their profits dwindle.

    Just a thought.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kunle Olomofe
      Contrary to popular opinion. It WILL die if it keeps being saturated with junk. It's just like anything else in life... even though there ARE gonna be newbies to it everyday, one day those newbies will be much wiser than the newbies of old and they will probe more and want better quality and they will not be asking questions as dumb as what we asked back in the day.

      That's a fact. Back in the day, to ask "How do I upload my pages to the web?" was the newbie question of the year... Now, newbies still ask that, but many of them won't and don't need to because there's so much more info easily available about FTP and so on, with video tutorials we would have killed for in the 90's.

      Years from now, some of what you think are top level advanced skills will be entry level basic stuff or at least widely known and all the great new ebooks of today will be outdated.

      So, to answer your question different to what others have posted so far...

      Yes, it is dying compared to what it is really meant to be and what once was. That's because it is not half as healthy as it once was.

      There are far less real business people involved in IM today and far more opportunity seekers who couldn't care less about building reputations over years, it's all about the money for majority of IMers now and when something gets to be like that, trust it IS dying and will die because though money makes the world go round, the love of money is the root of all evil and evil can never prevail over good forever, since truth even if it is hidden for 20 years will come out boldly eventually one day and everyone who was being fooled will see the light of day. At which point, death will come to that B.S. industry.

      Unless people change (hardly likely to happen) and stop believing liars in IM over those who prefer to be real, yes, IM the way we know it and the way the less than fully honest people run it is dying and will die eventually if it continues that way.

      When? I can't say.

      But you remember the good old days of direct mail? You remember the good old days of the CD with 600 reports you could sell or give away? What happened to all that junk? ...

      DEATH.

      All things die anyway. It will die one way or another or MORPH into something totally different. Only the future can tell exactly what will happen. But some things are certain.

      The way you build sites now will change. The way you update them will change. The way you create content for your sites will change. The way you monetize your site will evolve and be different and there will be new ways in 10 - 20 years.

      Take that from someone who was here when it all started not those who are here when it is what they can see. If someone had told me in 1997 that people would only want to make money by lOUTRIGHT lying and cheating and that the majority would follow THEM and not the other half who prefer to run honest businesses as best as they humanly can, I'd have laughed my head off. Fast forward 13 years, I would have been wrong.

      One good thing will come from the extinction of these weaklings...

      Those of us who STICK to our guns and do the right thing, build reputations and keep them strong. Keep changing with the times to improve what we offer, our own IM businesses will be the Guinesses and Fords of this industry.

      But you have to be able to stick to those guns and not fall for trying the cheap, fast ways that don't last. That's tougher for 99% of people than you think, so if you're in the 1%, SMILE... their days are numbered, yours?

      Let's wait and see

      By the way, one poster whom I highly respect mentioned that "If you're at the point where you are not learning anything new then it simply means that you have all the information you need to start teaching to the new comers."

      Now the latter state in quotes is true to the extent where it says... "you are not learning anything new"... The fact is simply that...

      It's IMPOSSIBLE to NOT be able to learn ANYTHING new. That just can not be done. There will ALWAYS be something new to learn. Believe that.

      You may reach a saturation point personally where you DON'T NEED to learn new things to be at your peak (and that will only last you so long anyway), but you will ALWAYS have something new you can learn. Don't kid yourself otherwise or you'll pay dearly for it. Believe that.

      Many Cheers

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Kunle Olomofe View Post

        Contrary to popular opinion. It WILL die if it keeps being saturated with junk. It's just like anything else in life... even though there ARE gonna be newbies to it everyday, one day those newbies will be much wiser than the newbies of old and they will probe more and want better quality and they will not be asking questions as dumb as what we asked back in the day.

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        Many Cheers

        Kunle Olomofe
        Proudly Old School IMer

        Kunle, you are one smart dude...you know that?

        I agree with what you're saying, but what you're talking about is not
        really a death per say. It's an evolving, just like everything evolves.

        Those who adapt and provide value will survive.

        Those who don't will not.

        But the IM niche itself (selling how to info to people who want to make
        money online) will never die because there will always be people who
        will need to learn and don't want to weed through all the free info online
        to get that education.

        We may end up with only a few respected people left in this industry,
        but the industry itself will never die.
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  • Profile picture of the author DennisM
    Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post

    Is Internet Marketing Dying?

    I think it is. I mean I get the same s**t over and over from these so called gurus.

    Some one comes up a with a slight spin on a product or service that's been out there already, and all the gurus line up to sell it to their minions. Sorry for being so brutally hones herel. I'm just tired of it.

    Also, every week another one is having a blowout because they are moving on from the guru business. I have removed my main email address from all the so calle gurus autoresponders.

    What is your opinion? Is it dying? Is it growing?

    By internet marketing, I'm referring to the make money online and here's how products.

    Fermin,

    Not trying to slam you here but you've been a member of the WF for almost 8 years. WHAT have you been doing to even ask a question like this? I'm surprised actually as this is a typical newbie question.

    Want to know if IM is dead? Build a list and sell a 10 page report. The bigger the list, the more you'll sell. That's your answer.

    At the root of all this, it doesn't get any simpler then that.

    Regards,
    Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    well.. i have been thinking the same thing as well. It reminds me of the stock market 1999. Everyone you met was an expert.....then what happens? Look around there are tens of thousands of I.M gurus. How many product launches are there every day now? My inbox if bombared dozens a time a day with latest must have course, software, servicce, etc... I think saturation is upon us. The leaders will rise to the top but many are going to left fighting for the scraps. I.M.O.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    i do think the customer is getting wiser. You can't B*S* many like they could 3+ years ago. Some of those crazy headlines like "Make $50,000 a month no work from the beahc..etc" are dead.

    I think true gurus will prosper still if they produce good products. The B*Sers who are in 50+ niches Jack of all Master of none who spam everywhere will probably die off in large. (thank goodness)
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    It is changing, not dying.

    Sure, millions are taking a look at IM for the first time. This is good for us. But I think they are moving away from what worked before. Remember, the US has maybe 30 million unemployed (15 M known, another 15 M that stopped looking for a job - just heard those numbers on the news today and it made me choke)

    So, we need to find out what people NEED. I think one of these days we will see a larger company actually DELIVER the traffic to our website and you know what? It might even be targeted traffic. Maybe a little like Google's 7 pack local maps that are ever growing right now.

    But as every experienced marketer knows, it's not just traffic. It is traffic that buys.

    So, I think we'd better learn more about copywriting. What makes this new breed buy. Add what they need (job training, how to fix up the house yourself, how to get grants - for example) to the pot and we may have a new breed of guru.

    I'm just spinning this off the top of my head. Any other ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    I hope the new FTC regulations has some effect on this, but rest assured that if people are still wanting to "work from home" or "make money online" then someone will be there to sell them a product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dital
    Money has to constantly change hands, marketers have to spend all the time too. It's a give and take circulation all over just like the good old fashioned barter trade.

    It's not dying.
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    • Profile picture of the author ant_arias
      Internet marketing will never die. Will it get more and more competitive? I'd say yes. As said by numerous warriors before me in this thread, theinternet has new people looking at it as a way to make more money, have more time and overall have the freedom that a successful online business can afford. There will always be guru's developing high end coaching programs and courses as there will always be the the guys just starting out that now just a little bit more than the "newbie" that has a vision of Internet riches.

      I see it as a never ending cycle, with no end in sight.
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  • Profile picture of the author armadin
    Although I recently started IM, I still believe that my main focus will be on having a personal brand or presence. With a strong presence , you can pretty much wear a german ww2 (to not say the bad word) unform even if your grandma is the queen and still get away with it

    Seriously though, by branding I dont necessarily mean a 5 year string of WSO's that will die out after the initial hype (if any), I really am striving for something genuine, repectable and above all useful that is long lasting, preferably a brand my great grand kids can adopt.

    I am sure that most of you will agree that the Internet still holds a few surprises, YouTube takes care of video, Facebook the social and so on and so forth but what we also don't count on, is that the next 10 to 15 years may bring new offline presences that will undoubtedly be born internet ready.

    In light of what I have mentioned, I still cherish my experience with IM and even though I am still learning a lot, I have eliminated a lot of the initial limitation that a not so internet savvy mind tends to protectively embrace. Frank Kern makes a great point about outcooling competition in one of his videos but there will be a time when even the cool factor will be just a norm so in the end, the most solid piece of future that you can get is getting in with the branding opportunities that the still new age of Internet holds.
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  • Profile picture of the author reynoldscorb
    It's all about trial and error when getting started my friend, so hang in there. It took me a few months before I even got my first sale, and now I couldn't be doing better!

    The Internet Market is booming so stick with it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fermin Suero
    Lots of great info folks. That's why I love this forum.

    I've been in and out of IM for like the last 15+ years (remember the original AOL classifieds that you had to keep posting to be on top :- '93?), I've had highs and lows. I've made a lot of money and have also blown a lot of money. Overall the experience has been great.

    I guess it's because of this constant change that I have had this love/hate affair with IM. I've been able to ride a few innovative waves and made some money. But when the wave is gone, it's almost back to square one.

    Really, there's a lot of good feedback, keep it coming.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post

      Lots of great info folks. That's why I love this forum.

      I've been in and out of IM for like the last 15+ years (remember the original AOL classifieds that you had to keep posting to be on top :- '93?), I've had highs and lows. I've made a lot of money and have also blown a lot of money. Overall the experience has been great.

      I guess it's because of this constant change that I have had this love/hate affair with IM. I've been able to ride a few innovative waves and made some money. But when the wave is gone, it's almost back to square one.

      Really, there's a lot of good feedback, keep it coming.
      Maybe if you built a real business instead of riding waves, you wouldn't
      have this problem.

      Do you think Amazon.com rides waves?

      Problem is, you probably have a poor business model and that's why you're
      having the problems you're having.

      Just calling 'em like I see 'em.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        With regard to IM and the MMO market, here's an analogy for you...

        Picture a flowing stream called "Internet Marketing", and in the middle of that stream is a rock called "Make Money Online." Within that rock are layers of gurus and their products, some hard and strong, some weathered and ready to break away.

        You are a leaf floating in that stream. When you reach the right point, you rub up against the rock, and while there, you cannot continue with the current. At first, the rock is new but after awhile you know all the nooks and crannies. You see some of the worn pieces break off in the current.

        Eventually, you come free of the rock and continue down the stream, leaving the guru rock behind.

        Looking back, you see more leaves floating on the current, and some of those are sticking to the rock like you did. Some will get free, some will rot, and some will merge into the rock, creating new layers.

        You, my friend, just slipped free of the rock...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dannyboyonline
    The thing is you can never and I mean never follow the crowd in IM. Whenever you see some GREAT new discovery on how to make x amount of money by doing IM for $75, even if that method used to work some time ago it has long been sucked dry by the people who came up with it and these same people are continuning to sucking the method dry even after the method has died out by selling it back. Just think about it why would someone who's managed to come up with a great system give it up for $97 if it's still working? No one in their right mind would do it.

    So what does this mean? Should everyone just give up and go have a nap? No on the contrary everyone should be trying to come up with their own system instead of buying $97 dollar eBooks hoping to make a buck online.
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    I never agree with Steven......but I agree with steven. But I think down the road there will be more obstacles in place to crap marketing. Forum profiles, blog spam, and other short cuts may change. The internet will always evolve and I think down road internet marketing will require a higher level of quality to compete.
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  • Profile picture of the author adenclark
    I am also on alot of peoples lists so i can keep an eye on the big players. Everytime something that has been newly created is about to be launched, all the big list owners always start to warm up their lists. Its the same everytime, "This new creation is going to change the world" when in fact its something that me and you already know about but it has a little twist that adds a bit more, but worst of all, in the hands of a newbie its meant to be useless so the newbie buys something else that is required before the next step can be completed.

    This is just how the IM niche is and because this method works so well, it will carry on this way. The big players look at there list like a bunch of sheep who follow them around all day and when they say jump, the majority of the sheep jump.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketItAll
    My opinion, no.

    This question has been being asked for years now, and it is still going strong, so why would it die now? I think it is just as big as it has ever been. But again, just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author duia
    It is ovbious that online marketing is developing instead of dying.
    In fact, with the development, more and more people have realized of marketing online and many of them are paying more attention to online business. So, many online marketing stratigies are developing day by day.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingSPY
    Originally Posted by Fermin Suero View Post

    Is Internet Marketing Dying?

    I think it is. I mean I get the same s**t over and over from these so called gurus.

    Some one comes up a with a slight spin on a product or service that's been out there already, and all the gurus line up to sell it to their minions. Sorry for being so brutally hones herel. I'm just tired of it.

    Also, every week another one is having a blowout because they are moving on from the guru business. I have removed my main email address from all the so calle gurus autoresponders.

    What is your opinion? Is it dying? Is it growing?

    By internet marketing, I'm referring to the make money online and here's how products.
    Hi -
    Not to seem too simplistic - but what you should ask yourself is; Is Internet Marketing dying or growing for you?

    With that said - I completely understand what you're saying about these crazy so-called "gurus". I suggest you don't judge your career on 2,3, 4 or even 5 so called gurus in the market place. Remember, some of them are ethical and some are not. Simply observe them-then do you own thing. Walk your own walk - run your own mile.

    Happy Trails!
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkAnderson
    It's not dying or improving, the thing what it's happening is changing the shape.
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