I am opting out of your list because......

I don't understand? Those are incredibly awesome vehicles! Why would you leave the list because the guy has good taste in cars?

Like OMG.

I can't believe he did that. The nerve of him to
put something that doesn't fit you personally.

Something that shows whomever he was talking
about is making mad cash. Which is why you
got into IM.

Get over yourself.

I generally opt-out of an internet marketer's list if they are giving me sales pitch after sales pitch. I understand that you have to monetize your list, and I respect that. If a marketer was not trying to monetize his list in any way, shape, or form then I may be a bit worried.

However, everyone involved with email marketing should realize that it is not just about the numbers. So many people get caught up on the size of the list, and forget to build relationships with those people.

A fellow marketing consultant I have worked with has a list of only around 700 people but is really getting a nice income from that list because he marketers well. However, he also looks out for his subscribers.

Just don't sell products that you have not or would not use yourself. Because if you sell me crap then I will get off of your list in a hurry!

I'm opting out of almost everything that hits my inbox.

Tired of hearing about THE BIG LAUNCH

So few ever really include something worth reading.

My "mentor" has told me to offer 5 - 10 emails of value between every "sales" email. Tough to do in most niches (IMHO) but it makes being on your list valuable.

Regards,
PCRoger.

P.S. - I'm in IM to replace my day job income, buying a sports car is WAY down the road

I only opt out of lists if the content isn't any good and I don't get any benefit from receiving them. If he gives good content it might be worth while putting up with the comments.

Oh yeah - thanks for reminding me. Sorry, this will be a bit off topic..

I started getting emails yesterday from someone who I've never heard of, who I did not opt in for, and who had clearly gotten my email address from this forum (I haven't got it posted anywhere else, I've only just created the address, and it was addressed to me personally). The email said I'd be receiving more emails within the next few days, and it was obviously some sort of a weird/crappy marketing scheme for templates of some sort. So I clicked unsubscribe. Only I was never subscribed in the first place, according to the server. I guess I can expect to receive more of their emails, as I'm probably on a separate "spam" list that doesn't accept unsubscribe requests. To top it all off, their website included the whole "we hate spam as much as you do" line (hah!). Bad practice people!

So, in answer to your question, I guess I try to unsubscribe when I never subscribed in the first place? Unfortunately for me, it doesn't appear to be possible to unsubscribe under those conditions.

That's not why I wanted to make money online either. I'd like to make enough money online so that I can buy a huge house and set up an area in my basement to look like the control room from Stargate SG-1 with a full-size functional replica of the Stargate.

But if I opted out of every list whose owner didn't want to make money online for the same reason, I probably wouldn't be on many lists.

Personally I find income bragging obnoxious. That said I've personally
spoken with people who love all that sports cars and yachts mlm-header
graphics stuff.

Some people dig it and are inspired by a guy who shows off his sports
car and trophy wife and says you can have the same. Other people
find it lame, manipulative, shallow and immature.

You are not your market though. A lot of stuff that works in direct
response I am personally immune too, but the general public may
be less discerning.

I guess I'd have to agree, it's a little cheesy and if that's any reflection of the content this person provides than I can see why you would opt out. But if the content is good and valuable, I can forgive a little cheese.

Alright so if he said he lives in his parents basement, drives a pinto, and eats roman noddles for dinner every night, would that have been a better PS?

The only time I opt out is if the product is irrelevant to me. Or if I'm receiving too many emails from that same person or group.

I think it depends on the list. If they are not in IM you may get those who are swayed by the fancy cars and big house. However, most IM's are not impressed by those type of claims.

I always unsubscribe if I get more than one sales pitch in a week.

Recently I have been getting three or four pitches a week from a couple of well known marketers so I unsubscribed.

I usually opt out of those lists which try to sell me something in every email. I don't mind being pitched now and then but only if the bulk of the emails provide real value.

Abdul.

So let me get this straight:

1. You want to make money online.
2. Someone (if he is to be believed) knows how to make money online.
3. That person is willing to show you how to make money online, for a fee, of course.
4. But because you wouldn't spend the money you make online on the same things he did, then you don't want to learn how to make money online from him.

I don't get it. You wouldn't have to spend the money you make online on the same things he did. I have a feeling there's something else you're not telling us, otherwise your reason for opting out doesn't make sense to me. Presumably he's not telling you how to spend your money, just how to make it. How is that bad if that's what you were interested in?

I wouldn't see the P.S. mentioned as an opt-outable offence. To me it says that the sender just sees the cars as evidence that the owner of them has met his financial goals sufficiently enough to be able to achieve the dream of owning two flashy bits of mobile metal with a wheel on each corner. It does not say that he assumes the recipients of his e-mails all share the same dream, it implies that the guy with the cars can show them how to make enough money to finance the dreams of their own. Cheesy, but presumably the sender is still teaching how to make money online as promised on subscription, and is not just delivering lectures on how to spend it.

It does show how easy it is to unintentionally offend, though. I mostly opt out of lists when the sender wastes my time, whether that's with a misleading subject line or an 'Oops!' e-mail sent shortly after to highlight an obviously staged mistake in the first one, which only serves to prompt the thought 'Ooops! I forgot to unsubscribe!'

Its just attention seeking, I wouldn't opt-out for it, but it is pretty immature. It doesn't prove he knows what he's talking about, it just suggests that he has money from somewhere.

Lol. that sounds like something I would've put as one of my PS's.

Unfortunately, there isn't a sarcasm-o-meter in emails.. But I really doubt the guy was trying to rub it in your face that dude's got a ferrari.

Sounds like an extra punch - kerpow! with a little bit of humor that he wanted to throw in there.

Im sorry, I lost concentration when I saw this...what was this thread about again?

I like all the points have been made. I think he was using the fact that those cars cost $200,000+ to give social proof that the guy's products work, hence you should buy them through his affiliate link.

Unless he was spamming me with offers each day, I wouldn't have opted out.

One of the best ways to learn email marketing is to get on a bunch of the guru's lists and see how they write their subjects and emails.

A great product that would easily sell for $97+ would be if somebody got on like 50 people's lists and swiped all of their subject lines and email copy for like 90 days, and then documented the rate at which each of them sent out offers versus content.

Call it the Ultimate Email Marketing Swipe File, and then get those guys to email their lists promoting your email swipe file product filled with their emails!

Lol! You gotta love the nature of this industry

I understand it just fine Ryan - and I get real tired of hype myself. If you haven't got anything better to tell someone than about the guy who has this program that has two Italian sports cars, I don't want to hear about it. How the hell do we know how the guy got his cars? Rich Dad's will, could be. That he has two sports cars is not even relevant to his program, just another cheap and tacky marketing technique and if you got one, you can expect more of the same.

I don't want to hear from people who sell their products via tacky logical fallicies - I want to hear more about the product and why and how it can do something for me. I know a lot of people who have some pretty amazing stuff that are in programs or have bought products and everything they own has nothing to do with the programs or products. It revolts me to hear such trash passing for an excuse for marketing.

There is an indication that we are not in the majority with our feelings, but I have never seen not being in the majority opinion as a bad thing.

I'm betting that for every line like that in a sales pitch there are 10 newbies that will "fashion" their own sales pitches using the same devices and sit and wonder why they can't keep their subscribers. I much prefer savvy marketing any day of the week -- although I will say that if I've been with a list for awhile and I have found it a good one, I'd probably just contact the owner and give them a quick, natural cure for diarrhea, which I assumed had been his problem when reading that faux pas.

At least he had an unsubscribe link for you to opt out with.

Some guy off this forum who annoyingly I can't name
according to WF rules has been sending me e-mails with :

a) No unsubscribe link - Seriously now ?
b) The return e-mail is a "noreply"

The only way to apparently opt out of this guys list is to
go and sign into a forum of his and presumably send him a PM.

I hit SPAM every time I get one of his e-mails.

Now that's a guy I would never buy from - ever.

I would love to swap my Citroen Picasso for either of those cars so I would definitely give some respect to anyone who has earned those items.

I'm happy to listen to ANY successful person and try learn from them. If they want to flaunt their success - why not.

I would opt out, that PS is not very professional.

I think it's just a classic case of projecting what works for you on to other people.

Hopefully the guy who sent out the e-mail has done some kind of research and found that his subscribers respond to the idea of having sports-cars.

Personally cars, mansions and yachts don't do it for me but I get that a lot of people aspire to own that kind of stuff.

Although it should be noted that many studies have shown that people usually prefer self fulfilment over material wealth yet often mistakenly think that everyone else is more motivated by money.

I always opt out when i see those annyoing head lines.

Today i got one from maxblogpress.com "FINAL NOTICE".

I immediately opted out. Same with garbage like "You got a payment" and other subject lines.

Hype too much, someone who made that much of money would like to sell you his secrets for 19.97? - lol.

I have been called a list building gooroo by many (ok... 2 ppl) and village idiot by others . I see myself as somewhere in the middle but we all know that super model we see in the mirror isn't reality, according to the masses .

I see many saying the money is in the list . Just about as many are saying the money is in the relationship. There is some truth to both statements .

Marketer A builds his list building model on sheer number . As long as he can keep 3 coming in to every 1 leaving , the model is extremely profitable . No time is set aside to build a real relationship. As long as the numbers are acceptable, very little tweaking is required and time is devoted to getting more and more sign ups .

Marketer B decides to go the relationship route . As long as this marketer stays relative with his follow ups and splits his time with promotion and coddling , this is a profitable list building model.

Because of personal likes and dislikes , many on here will disagree with this next statement . Marketer A makes more money than marketer B in the long run.

Sheer number and the law of averages start tipping the profit scale in marketer A's favor at around 3500 members .

I know the relationship crowd is groaning but think of list building as real life . You spend most of your life building relationships to some extent . How many true friends do you really have . Most can do the fingers and no toes style of math to come up with the answer .

I like to take a hybrid approach . Build a list on sheer numbers . Try to build a relationship to a point . Except the fact that some will be lost and some you wish would get lost .

Give me a list of 100,00. A relationship with these members that is established to the point of finding me believable , as well as to the point of not hitting the spam button.

You can have the list of 2000 that are convinced you are the Sheppard they have been looking for . So much is invested in trying to be everything to all, you will be lost in the effort .

Now I know some of you are saying " I am on his list from here and he never even sends out emails "

This is called the law of pooping where you eat . It would not be worth mailing to this list and pissing someone off, to the point of making a post , because my PS File was not to their liking .

Everyone knows if you want a Lamborghini, you don't worry about using IM to get it, you just get one from Diddy. Duh.

Justin Bieber Says Diddy Promised Him A Lamborghini For His Birthday - Justin Bieber Gossip

I had to opt out of a couple lists, mostly because the marketers would post here on the WarriorForum with rude comments, or asks questions that anybody who Actually makes money online knows.