Lie to make some money??

14 years ago

No, you shouldn't. It will ALWAYS come back to bite you in the ass in the end.

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kyhell 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets

No, you shouldn't. It will ALWAYS come back to bite you in the ass in the end.

couldn't agree more!
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Power and Wealth

14 years ago

Lies make the world go round. I would never lie to make money. (I'm lying for free right here)

I understand exactly how you feel, every "new technique" just a regurgitation of the same old technique thats been mastered and monopolized by the internet marketers that came before you.

If you want to get your slice, maybe you should be focusing on new products in new niches, rather than the worn out paths you've been down.

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krisDupree

14 years ago

The hype is what sells. Would you want to buy into something if the pitch was; Work from home, high stress, no pay for 6-12 months,but be your own boss and 15 hr. work days. Just be realistic, keep in mind your goals and what numbers brought you into IM in the first place. It is hard anything worth doing usually is.

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owol

14 years ago

I definitely think you should value your integrity, as you never know when you will need to interact with someone you may have mistreated in the past.

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Power and Wealth 14 years ago

Originally Posted by owol

I definitely think you should value your integrity, as you never know when you will need to interact with someone you may have mistreated in the past.

That's the problem, you'll never know if you're talking to someone you ripped off online and they'll probably never know either.
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prettyboy

14 years ago

It's true that a lot of the stuff out there is straight up lies. However, if they told you upfront that it took a lot of hard work, most people would not buy because the psychology of the mind for most people is that they don't want to do anything hard but everyone likes the easy stuff.

I'm successful online, but I never really thought that my success would come easy. Maybe that's the way I was raised...anything in life worth having takes hard work. Now once you've put in that hard work and laid a solid foundation then it gets a lot easier.

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IMBMPGuy 14 years ago

Believe in the foundation and all that. But these sales pages make it as if the hard work shouldn't be involved. What is it that the unsuccessful ones dont have?? wondering?
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IMBMPGuy

14 years ago

@Lisa: I believe in Karma 100%.

@xpert: Where would I find these NEW products and methods??

@Kris: I see what you're saying. I know hype sells and it's what got me to buy. So when I make my own product, should I HYPE it up??

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Power and Wealth 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IMBMPGuy

@xpert: Where would I find these NEW products and methods??

Google trends, the newspaper, tv commercials, people walking down the street, stuff you buy...

But really, any affiliate network you're on should be able to give you a list of anything new.

No need for new methods, just use the old methods on areas that havent been dominated.
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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

You know, you talk about the people saying they make millions off a product - just don't listen. Don't be a victim. Stay true to your OWN ideals and your OWN sense of honesty and integrity and you will make money. Help people with your products, whether they are your own or others you are an affiliate for. But don't lie...you asking the question tells me you're better than that.

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IMBMPGuy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets

You know, you talk about the people saying they make millions off a product - just don't listen. Don't be a victim. Stay true to your OWN ideals and your OWN sense of honesty and integrity and you will make money. Help people with your products, whether they are your own or others you are an affiliate for. But don't lie...you asking the question tells me you're better than that.

I sure am better than that. Was just wondering. I am getting into this thing because I want to make money. Then, down the road, I see other people want to make money. Being a Karma believer, I WANT to help other people make money. It's why i'm in the business.. You guys will see me up before the end of the year. I already know it..

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Tina Golden

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IMBMPGuy

I am making money now, however, not through internet marketing. It really does take me not even 5 minutes to manage my business a day, and i am seeing 100 dollar checks coming in. Granted, it did take 4 months before I see 100 dollars per day, but at least, during those 4 months, the only work I did was truly, on average, 2 hours a day. And those are my busiest days.

If not from internet marketing, then from what?

Originally Posted by IMBMPGuy

FYI: I am now working on PPV. I finally start seeing traffic. But not money yet. After 500 dollars of investing... not one cent. Sure I get the traffic, but I have thousands of keywords that I use for one campaign and nothing

Why aren't you just working more hours doing the method you said you found in the first paragraph?

Originally Posted by IMBMPGuy

Ok here's my question: If I start promoting a product, should I say I am making 100/day even if i'm not?

Should you? That's kind of up to your conscience, isn't it?

I'm rather confused by your rant, to be perfectly honest. It seems pretty contradictory to me.

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Teresa Coppes

14 years ago

This is exactly why I am for the FTC regulations regarding "average user" testimonies. If you feel you have to lie about your earnings & what the average user is then I wouldn't feel one bit sorry if you reap what you sow.

Bad idea!
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zapseo

14 years ago

People who do not lie:
Yah, Tim Castleman seems to be pretty upfront with the amount of money he's making from his offline promotions.
JayKay Bak has some form of disclosure for his Unselfish Membership site -- though I think that pertains to membership fees -- not to the various other moneymaking activies he has on that site. (good site. I spose I should promote it or something ...LOL.)

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IMBMPGuy

14 years ago

Direct Mail. I don't need to work more hours as the work is done for me. I only say an hour or two because I have to talk to people some days. I only asked, because it SEEMS it is what people are doing. It is because I want to start making money online being an affiliate. How can yo promote a product that you yourself have not bought. Right now, I am promoting products I have bought. I see what it can do, but have not done what the products claim can be done. So should I promote something I believe in that I haven't made money with yet. For example, all the Clickbank products are for promotion. Yet, many IMer say do affiliate marketing with clickbank to make money. why, when should i promote a product i haven't even tried?? seems like that is exactly what a lot of people are doing?

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JenniferDavey 14 years ago

Lying to make money is an awful idea! I don't agree that Hype sells at all. I think hype is a turn off. Anyone who tells you that you can make a zillion dollars while sitting on your duff is full of it.

To create a successful business, any successful business you need to take action. Consistent action.

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- butters 14 years ago
  
  New question, how does lieing differ from over hyping, over embellishing and making someone feel that this will solve all there problems... Curious to hear opinions on this .
  
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butters

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cjmo75

I realized they all taught you the same thing, which is NOTHING. Sure, they may teach you the basics and the four most common ways to get traffic (forums, blogs, PPC and social bookmarking), but all that stuff is available for free in places like this forum.

So I stopped promoting that crap

I almost laughed when I heard this... What is the most essential thing you can learn when it comes to anything, the basic! The basics isn't crap, it is quite possibly the best thing you can learn, it is the thing you MUST know... Yes information can be found free scattered all over the internet but to find that and piece it all together can be hard, especially for a newbie. When I started I would of rather bought a guide which said, this, this and that, do that, then go advance on what you just learnt.

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Ken Leatherman

14 years ago

I suspect after reading your post you were looking for the silver bullet that would solve all your financial problems, without doing any work. By now, you yourself have said after spending thousands of dollars there is no silver bullet.

But you want our permission to lie and say that you have a "silver bullet" to make $100 a day for the other unsuspecting folks out there. Well boyo, you aren't getting my permission.

Frankly, I suspect even though you may have bought on the emotional "hype", some of those products (not all of them) you bought, had techniques and strategies that would have worked for you. Provided of course you had actually applied them. But when you saw it was going to take work, you gave up on them. And then rushed out and bought another one. Take personal responsibility for your own actions my friend.

I also resent the fact you say that no one mentions in their WSO or sales page it takes hard, hard, hard work to make the $100.00 days. Many of the Warriors here point out in their WSO and sales pages; it takes hard, hard work. However, chances are your mindset blinds you to see only the "silver bullet".

Really though, can someone tell me they have made money without lying about what their income truly is?

Yes I can say, truthfully, I have made money without lying about my income. And there are 100's of other Warriors that can say the same thing. And you can to, if you find a marketplace that needs your product.

Look I can understand your frustration, but what I don't understand is how you can come on a public marketing forum and make the statement you are thinking about lying on your sales page or WSO. Why would anyone here or anyone who happens to run across your post on the Internet ever trust you. BTW, chances are your post has already been picked up by Google. Do a search for it and it will most likely jump out and bite you on the butt.

Don't lie, I just don't think you have to; too be successful.

Ken Leatherman

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thunderbird

14 years ago

Banks, credit card, and mortgage companies lie, mislead, and spread misinformation. In contrast, Internet marketers should apply a higher standard.

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alexts

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IMBMPGuy

Hello all,

So, after a year of information overload about Internet Marketing, I've found that products that sell, are outright lies. Sure, probably most of you big Internet Marketers are probably making millions or whatever, but it seems not to be working for the people that are buying your stuff. For a lot of people, not just me. I am making money now, however, not through internet marketing. It really does take me not even 5 minutes to manage my business a day, and i am seeing 100 dollar checks coming in. Granted, it did take 4 months before I see 100 dollars per day, but at least, during those 4 months, the only work I did was truly, on average, 2 hours a day. And those are my busiest days.

Now, I don't want to discourage a lot of people, but the successful internet marketers seem all to do one thing. HYPE! sure on this forum, everyone talks about hard work, hard work, hard work, but nothing on their sales page or wso or whatever says it will take HARD HARD HARD work. ALl i see is hype out there. "Do this and you will make thousands a day." Ever care to mention that it might not happend the first day, but it is more possible that it may take years before you actually get to your 100 dollar per day mark?? even 50/day mark??

Im sorry warriors for such negativity, but all the frustration and lost of money and lies I have fell for has truly bugged me.

FYI: I am now working on PPV. I finally start seeing traffic. But not money yet. After 500 dollars of investing... not one cent. Sure I get the traffic, but I have thousands of keywords that I use for one campaign and nothing! Is that telling me that ALL four-thousand keywords, WHICH I HAVE RESEARCHED USING A VARIETY OF TOOLS AND METHODS THAT THESE INTERNET MARKETERS HAVE TOLD ME TO DO, have no money in them. I mean isn't "Buy 'whatever product or service" a strong keyword you would want to have in your IM business blueprint??I want to keep working on this because I am finally seeing traffic. So I believe, with a year of doing what Im doing now will finally get me that money i deserve.

I DONT KNOW, just a frustrated guy here. Just wanted to let that out,. Sorry if i've offended you, but im just frustrated with this whole internet marketing thing.

Maybe this is what I need. To let the whole world know how I feel about this.

I will still be working on Internet Marketing. Hoopefully, this "journal entry" in this forum might be what i need. Remember, it's just frustration and just wanted to let people know. Sorry again if i seem like a jackass.

Ok here's my question: If I start promoting a product, should I say I am making 100/day even if i'm not? Really though, can someone tell me they have made money without lying about what their income truly is?? i mean, did everyone out there, REALLY make thousands before promoting their product? Or did these guys simply make a product from PLR and just put some numbers on their sales page? This question really goes out to all you successful ones out there.

You are absolutely right.Why would anyone sell their "secret method" or product for 10 bucks in WSO if they are making thousands per day using this method(as they claim)
It simply does not make sense.

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JasonB

14 years ago

LIE? Hell NO! That's just like Spam... It will come back and knock your ace on the floor before you know it... Help others, don't lie to them.

Just be honest and state the facts...Telling lies won't get you anywhere, even though most people hate the truth....

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IMBMPGuy 14 years ago

awesome response guys!! Of course I am not going to lie to market any products i am an affiliate of or my own products. I seriously think it is WRONG to do so. I just asked the question because it came to thought and I feel as if its what everybody's doing. From the looks of the response, people aren't. however, another reason I asked is because of the Home-Based business i am in. Now, for all you unsuspecting people, since we are on the subject of lying, i am making 100 per day. It took me about 4 months to get where I am. But, the way my business is, is basically buying a product with the license. Using the same sales letter to get people to buy the product.

Now that you guys know my business, when I got into this business, I was not making anything. however, the sales letter, which I use because it's what the product really is, states that I am making thousands. however, I really am not. But, it actually works (i don't even have to talk to them personally). I know because I am making money. Am I lying or simply promoting a product that I believe in using somebody else's sales letter??
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sydneypm 14 years ago

Hi, I know how you feel, frustrated with the whole business. So, I just wanted to give my two cents hoping it will help.

"But you want our permission to lie"

I don't think this is true - I believe it is general frustration and when money is invested and you get nowhere, you start feeling like everyone is lying because - where do you start unless you do lie?

Here's my take on that part:

First, as you probably know, there is sooooo much to learn in this business. I do know that most IM products don't tell the whole story. I do believe a lot of marketers lie. But - I believe a lot of products/info out there are useful, but are only part of the whole plan that one must use to make a full-time income. And I think that each niche and how you want to work your business also defines if a product/info will or will not work for you. You may have spent hundreds of dollars - but education and supplies/tools used in business usually adds up to thousands.

You don't have to lie, though.

Like you are feeling, I could never promote something that I have to lie about. I can't even promote something that doesn't get my interest! (Personally, I would never have considered selling anything about IM because I was new to it.)

The way I started was to create a site of a topic that I had knowledge in. I then found CB products that fit my niche/topic of choice. When promoting a product that I had not read, I said, "this is the same method that I used to get results" or "this is the method I learned and used in my office/business for years" or something of that nature, because I knew from reading the product info what it was, in general. And I was not lying. I did this with all CB products that I sold so that I could give an honest opinion. I also found CPA offers that I either used or had used a comparable item and did the same. This method could be used in a lot of niches from golfing (if you golf) to exercising and credit cards.

I eventually bought the CB product that I sold the most. I then created my own version of the ebook and made it better because I thought the one that I was selling was not as good as it should have been for the price. So now I have another info product to sell and passion about what I am selling. This helps keep my motivation, interest and drive to get better at marketing.

Perhaps you could re-think your strategy and see if there are any products/online methods that parallel your direct marketing business and do something similar. (It sounds like you're pretty good at direct marketing, what about an ebook of your own?) Or find CPA offers of products you have used or at least know enough about to make an honest evaluation.

I guess this is just a different model of Internet Marketing. But, I really hope this helps you somehow.

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Cindy P.
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EquestrianGal

14 years ago

The truth is always the best option. That said, you will always find people in marketing, either here or offline who will hype up a product. It is the part of selling that I really dislike.. unless I am REALLY a believer in the product I find it extremely difficult to hype something up. However, if I really truly believe in something than you don't have to lie. I think that therein lies the key to the long term success in IM.

Look at the people who have developed their OWN products. They truly believe in their products and those are the ones who succeed, whether it is website building, article writing, graphics, or software.

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mhdeaton

14 years ago

I have to disagree completely. I think that there certainly is a lot of hype but I myslef like to hear the BEST stories and THE BIGGEST SUCCESSES. I also want to hear about INSANE SUCCESS stories. These inspire me to pull out my credit card and YES take action.

Ill admit Im an information slut but it has paid me well. In fact its paid me well in the toughest market there is.

Yes some of what I buy is crap, but regurgitated or not there's always some content.

I think the problem lies in how much effort you give to what technique or method.

I once had a book on my shelf unopened for years. Had I known that what was in it would change my life I wouldn't have let it sit there for 5 years before I finally broke it open and made a killing.

I once bought Yanik Silvers copy writing workshop deal for $1500 if I remember correctly.

For the first year i thought it was trash. then one day after reading Breakthrough advertising i was able to appreciate the way Yanik went through and outlined these sample letters in a format that could only be appreciated to me then at that time.

Don't be so quick to call something trash. Its not hard to sort thru the hype in the sales letter and see that what they offer, is trash or not. Some sales letters scream trash others are obviously providing a great value in exchange for your cash.

Just my 2 cents.

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thunderbird

14 years ago

I don't know what some people are doing that they are having such difficulties. It isn't hard to make money online. It is so simple that people add complication to it. As in life, maybe some people are doing it the hard way and not taking the important short cuts and skipping superfluous and unnecessary steps.

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BobJutsu

14 years ago

The IM niche is absolutely the worst place in the world for a new marketer to start.

Why people do that is beyond me.

Amen

I know because I am making money. Am I lying or simply promoting a product that I believe in using somebody else's sales letter??

First, see quote number one...

Then, need a bit of a change in the way you think about this. Unlike a lot of folks in this space who babble on about nonsense hippy crap about "power" and "success", and "inspirational journey", at the end of the day this is a job...like it or not, this is first and foremost a job, and your source of income no matter how you slice it.

Take out the "inspirational journey" BS, and look at it like you would look at any other profession and you will see yourself as, basically, an advertising agency. We affiliates are "hired" to market a specific product, that is our job, to market our clients products.

To give a littel perspective, step outside of the IM niche for a second. If you were promoting a weight loss product, lets say a new treadmill of some sort, would you be lying by using the manufacturers own claims as marketing material? Would you be lying if you say that you can get in shape quickly by using this treadmill, even though you personally don't own that treadmill and are fat and out of shape? If so, should every advertiser, and every marketing agency and otherwise in the world be limited to products they actually use?

@xpert: Where would I find these NEW products and methods??

Ingenuity...You don't need someone running behind you with a pair of huggies, holding your hand and guiding you through each step for the rest of your career, do you? Take some time to learn the basics about how **** works, then experiment with different things, learn a little more, etc, etc. A little experimentation is worth any number of "guides" or "courses".

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Originally Posted by IMBMPGuy

Ok here's my question: If I start promoting a product, should I say I am making 100/day even if i'm not? Really though, can someone tell me they have made money without lying about what their income truly is?? i mean, did everyone out there, REALLY make thousands before promoting their product? Or did these guys simply make a product from PLR and just put some numbers on their sales page? This question really goes out to all you successful ones out there.

It's good that you finally get it ... that there are a lot of BS info products out there that promise everything and deliver very little. So I hope you've stopped buying them by now. There are some sales pages that DO tell you that it involves work, but the majority sort of leave that detail out or it's buried in the MAKE $5,000 IN 5 DAYS (in your pajamas) hype.

So now that you realize that many marketers lie, post fake testimonials, fake profit screenshots, fake promises and all that .... now you're asking us if it's OK to do that yourself to make a buck.

I don't do it. Everyone chooses their own path. I sell my own products and I don't hype or lie to get sales. You want to a part of the pack or you want to market ethically with dynamite products that do deliver what they promise?

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Kay King 14 years ago

You might want to think about reading rules here before you go further. You are promoting CB products in your signature - not allowed.
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- dtendrich 14 years ago
  
  Hey,
  
  I think products are just like everything else out there...
  
  80% is garbage.
  
  20% is decent / good.
  
  5% of the 20% is great.
  
  Also - about not mentioning hard work...
  
  One thing I ALWAYS include in copy that includes the buyer doing any kind of work is a paragraph just like this...
  
  Now hold on there just a second!
  
  I'm definitely NOT saying that buying this product will solve all your problems, make you a million bucks overnight, and turn all of your dreams into reality.
  
  It takes some work. Granted - it can be fun - and I think the fun aspect is part of what makes this product so great...
  
  ...But it still takes work on your end.
  
  So if you were looking for the "holy grail" here - I'm sorry, but you should probably leave this page
  
  etc....
  
  It's worked extremely well for every product I've written copy for - because people feel like they're being treated more genuinely.
  
  Take it easy Sometimes we just need to vent and move on
  
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Sparhawke

14 years ago

The only thing you really have in this world is your reputation, you can change your domain names and your screen names all you want but in time you will start to narrow down your options, people will start to be able to figure out where you have been and where you are going by your profiles on large forums such as this one.

Do you really want to be known as the lying scum whose wild claims are so far out of whack with reality or the person who fosters a good reputation and has people recommending him?

People are only too happy to recommend people who they like, trust or feel are worthy, make sure you are on that list and you will be rewarded 100-fold

It may take a few months or a few years to hit your stride but once you do you will start wondering what all the fuss was about :p

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thunderbird

14 years ago

I see some parallels between IM and screenwriting. I used to read peoples screenplays. The structure of good scripts tend to be simple with only a few characters, straightforward plots, economical use of words, and clear presentation of story's premise by page 10. Crappy scripts tend to be too wordy, have too many characters, convoluted plots, and no clear presentation of what the heck the story's about.

I believe in IM, a variation of that kind of problem happens. While it isn't simple to do by any means, most people add unnecessary layers of complication to it while not actually getting to the crux of the matter.

(I don't sell how-to-make-money-online products)

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