HTML versus Wordpress - I am thinking HTML

by KenJ
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I have just set up a new website using HTML and found it so refreshing. I can do anything I want compared to a wordpress site where I have to fit in with the whole themes, categories, pages thing.

I have been using wordpress websites for some adsense sites and I have found them challenging to say the least.

With HTML I can put the pictures/videos/links anywhere I want.

Maybe I am just getting fed up with using the wordpress interface and the constant upgrades.

What does anyone else here feel about the 2 options?
#html #thinking #versus #wordpress
  • Profile picture of the author ahuddy
    HTML is definitely the old fashioned way, but it is much more advanced. Wordpress was created so the average person could put a site up. It takes training or experience to use HTML or any hand coding, but it can be well worth it if you know what your doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    WP is just HTML served up consistently page-for-page.

    Why would you want to build web sites by hand?? Use the HTML editor, drop it in a post or page and go.

    You get into building HTML by hand - then, pretty soon, you're wanting consistency across menus, so you do includes. Then, you want the menus to do something different on diff pages, so you turn to PHP for the logic.

    Then, it's different footers, sidebars, headers.

    Pretty soon, you've built your own completely modifiable site system -- when you could have started with WP in the beginning, learned its sometimes quirky ways, and had a weapon of mass websites.

    That's my answer, and I'm sticking to it
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    • Profile picture of the author Darth Executor
      Originally Posted by steveinidaho View Post

      WP is just HTML served up consistently page-for-page.

      Why would you want to build web sites by hand??
      Because you can easily make it look amateurish and send viewers clicking away. Hopefully on your ads.
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      • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
        I'll preface all this by saying that I work with WP every day - it's what I do, in large measure. So I don't find it daunting at all to throw up another theme file and a few IF statements to make WP do what I want it to do.

        So I guess I'm making assumptions that I shouldn't -- that someone who can put together a decently-coded HTML file can, without too much trouble, do the same thing with WordPress and have themselves an infinitely more flexible system.

        The other assumption was that sites would be more than a few pages, and that you would want a consistent look throughout the site.

        If you want to put up a sales page and a couple or 3 landing pages then no, WP isn't the way to do it, I'll definitely give you that.

        Originally Posted by Lloyd Buchinski View Post

        Html and css will make a much quicker loading and lighter site than wp, and if you ever do run into heavy traffic that could be significant.
        That's why you'd use a plugin like wp-super-cache (although I'm not fond of too many plugins, that one works well). And let's face it -- without being on some sort of publishing platform that does some stuff in the background (like RSS and ping/trackbacks) running into heavy traffic will probably not be an issue.

        Originally Posted by Karin View Post

        Remember that wordpress was developed with a different goal in mind. When you use it to update your audience in your area of expertise, blogs (and thus Wordpress) are perfect. If you want to sell products and do other things with your website, it becomes more questionable. It can still be done. There are enough plugins out there to make anything work, but it is not as easy any longer.

        That is why I use blogs for some and HTML for other websites.
        Yes, WP was developed with a different goal in mind. But, as with most collaborative projects, its scope has expanded and changed since its inception. It has become useful for more than just blogging.

        Plugins are sort of a sore spot with me, because there are many poorly written ones out there, and they can cause more trouble than they're worth.

        On the other hand, how much trouble would it be to make a static HTML page that has an RSS feed, integrated social bookmarking facilities, image management, etc.?

        Originally Posted by kenj View Post

        Steve in Idaho - (Where is Idaho?)

        I find the whole theme business very limiting. Sure all the posts are organised and similar in look but what can I do when I want a page to be completely different.

        This specific issue is what lead me to go back to HTML for my most recent website.

        I wanted a large website with many pages with them one way linking to a sales page. How could you get a different looking page without all the links etc.
        Idaho is ... well ... way beyond the Mississippi river. Out in the Wild West USA.

        As I said up top, I don't have a problem diving in and cranking out another theme file and telling WP to use it with specific pages or posts. I should realize that other folks haven't taken the time or don't have the interest in doing the same.

        Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post

        Because you can easily make it look amateurish and send viewers clicking away. Hopefully on your ads.
        THAT is a different perspective! LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Brazil
      Originally Posted by steveinidaho View Post

      WP is just HTML served up consistently page-for-page.

      Why would you want to build web sites by hand?? Use the HTML editor, drop it in a post or page and go.

      You get into building HTML by hand - then, pretty soon, you're wanting consistency across menus, so you do includes. Then, you want the menus to do something different on diff pages, so you turn to PHP for the logic.

      Then, it's different footers, sidebars, headers.

      Pretty soon, you've built your own completely modifiable site system -- when you could have started with WP in the beginning, learned its sometimes quirky ways, and had a weapon of mass websites.

      That's my answer, and I'm sticking to it
      First off I will have to disagree with you Steve. Word Press is created with PHP and CSS. Very similar to HTML in most every aspect since it's foundation is built on HTML. However PHP is much more powerful and cuts down on the redundant aspects of creating the same code over and over.

      Second IMO I would have to say neither. Creating your own site the old fashioned way by writing them all out in HTML is very powerful in the aspect that you can put what you want where you want. But if you have a good understanding of programming (not so many do) you can do the same kind of thing with Word Press.

      I myself prefer using Joomla. It is a much more rounded content management system (CMS). It can be used for most everything. I have created sales pages, blogs, resource sites and even membership sites with Joomla. Not to mention you can move things around on the page pretty freely once you get the hang of it.

      The learning curve is a little more steep then WP but in my humble opinion it is far more powerful.

      This also brings me to a popular argument about what gets better search engine results. While I will not go into arguing about why I think Joomla could kick WP a$$ any day of the week I will say this. It all comes down to how you utilize the big J. There are tons of mambots and components that when used properly can out perform WP.

      If you have not really looked into using Joomla maybe it is about time you at least gave it a chance. Like I said it is a little more complex then some of the alternatives but once you learn to use it correctly the benefits will become very apparent.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
        I used to think the same way, but then eventually made my own wordpress theme that I could customize any way I wanted as I did feel a little trapped by the themes I was using.

        I'm not sure what your needs are, but I can basically do whatever I need to do with every post or page.
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      • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
        Originally Posted by Terry Brazil View Post

        First off I will have to disagree with you Steve. Word Press is created with PHP and CSS. Very similar to HTML in most every aspect since it's foundation is built on HTML. However PHP is much more powerful and cuts down on the redundant aspects of creating the same code over and over.
        LOL! WordPress is scripted in PHP, as are Joomla, Mambo, Drupal, Expression Engine, and many other CMS platforms. It spits out, as do all the others, HTML. CSS styles the HTML. HTML is all that a browser understands (we're leaving out javascript here, for the sake of argument). How that HTML gets to the end user is what CMS software is all about.

        Joomla is WAY overkill for most sites, as is Expression Engine, as is Drupal. Use it where you need it.

        WP is overkill for many sites. If you need 5 or 6 pages, hand-code them or fire up Dreamweaver or NVU -- or even GoLive, if you're desperate

        Now that the techno-mine-is-bigger-than-yours-and-i-am-smarter-than-you stuff is done...

        After all this go-around, I'm coming more to understand the OP's point - that for many things, WP is too much, especially if you're not intimately familiar with it. For most people, becoming that is not a viable option. It takes time to learn it, time to play with it. If you're inclined that way, fine. If not, why mess with it? I certainly wouldn't advocate paying someone hundreds of dollars to code a special WP theme if you're only going to do a few pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I for one give "Congrats" to you Ken ... Smart move on your part.

    Added: Everything I code is by hand .. no html editors. I have full control over everything and can do as I please with no restrictions. Course I code everything in Php not HTML but HTML is still used.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      Steve in Idaho - (Where is Idaho?)

      I find the whole theme business very limiting. Sure all the posts are organised and similar in look but what can I do when I want a page to be completely different.

      This specific issue is what lead me to go back to HTML for my most recent website.

      I wanted a large website with many pages with them one way linking to a sales page. How could you get a different looking page without all the links etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karin
        Remember that wordpress was developed with a different goal in mind. When you use it to update your audience in your area of expertise, blogs (and thus Wordpress) are perfect. If you want to sell products and do other things with your website, it becomes more questionable. It can still be done. There are enough plugins out there to make anything work, but it is not as easy any longer.

        That is why I use blogs for some and HTML for other websites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by kenj View Post

        I find the whole theme business very limiting. Sure all the posts are organised and similar in look but what can I do when I want a page to be completely different.
        You can use design different template pages if you want different pages to have different looks.

        When I started with WordPress, I found a theme I liked, and have stuck with it for all my sites. Well, I've modified that theme since then and, on some sites, it doesn't even really look much like the original anymore.

        Once you get into things, you can modify the heck out of WordPress. You can make your own themes and design the pages anyway you like and just use WP as your CMS.

        I do HTML/PHP sites too. If you just have a small number of pages to deal with, WordPress can be overkill. I don't use WP for sites to which I don't plan to add a ton of content.
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      • Profile picture of the author scorpio9
        Originally Posted by kenj View Post

        Steve in Idaho - (Where is Idaho?)

        I find the whole theme business very limiting. Sure all the posts are organised and similar in look but what can I do when I want a page to be completely different.

        This specific issue is what lead me to go back to HTML for my most recent website.

        I wanted a large website with many pages with them one way linking to a sales page. How could you get a different looking page without all the links etc.
        Ken
        I have sales pages in my WP install that are completely different to the other blog posts/pages.

        Also you can created a static HTML page(s) and create a link to it from your WP blog, many ways to do it
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    Html and css will make a much quicker loading and lighter site than
    wp, and if you ever do run into heavy traffic that could be significant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Moser
    Ken I used to anti-wordpress and thought HTML was the way to go. That's when I didn't fully understand the PHP side of Wordpress. Now I've come to love it and would probably never use HTML again unless it was for a sales page.

    I find it easier to just find a theme I like and customize the look and be done with it. Coding sites by hand takes me days! With Wordpress I can roll out sites much faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisByrns
    from a seo point of view (and it's ALL about seo):

    your own html (if you're a newbie): sucks.
    your own wordpress blog: rocks.

    may sound harsh, but that's just the way it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author koolphoto
    Anything you can do with static html sites you can do with Wordpress especially if you know css. Knowing css and building templates from scratch is really easy.

    For me I like Wordpress better because I don't have to build includes for things like navigation bars. It is built into Wordpress. Also for me rss is easier to do with Wordpress. And, I get indexed really fast with little effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author UcheO
    It all depends on what the page is going to be about. If its going to be constantly updated - then of course the option would be to go with a wordpress.

    However, if its not strictly a blog I prefer using html and adding a wordpress separately later if I need to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I like html much more than blog software. I like the control and flexibiliity over each and every page without having to learn PHP.

    With html, you can add java, javascripts, cgi/perl, php, etc. Server-side includes allow for mass changes of the basic template site-wide, just as a blog template does.

    SEO, cross-linking can be done on a page by page basis, or site-wide. I have tools (tuelz) that allow me to add RSS pheeds, drip feed, ping my "static" html pages.

    With html, I have a backup on my hard drive and can perfomr site-wide search/replace with ease.

    Sure, I could learn php to do this, but I see no reason to learn something additinal just to do what I already do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    You have to do what works for you and what you're
    comfortable with, but I've learned that you can do
    just about anything with WP and it's a lot quicker to
    make changes or updates to the site than by hand
    coding alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    I hear you with the HTML. I support it.

    Lighter, faster, easier on the server, no mysql databases.

    I think when you get right down to it, when Google sees a nice clean coded page versus the junk of WYSIWYG editors like WP, it'll pay off in the long run. Google is looking for fast fast fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    WordPress is not HTML steve it is Php a dynamically coded website that usess javascript and ajax. Now although I personally have no use for the software and I have my own opinions I will leave that alone for now..

    To say it is HTML is wrong.. The browser translates it to HTML because a browser can not view php source code.

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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Well, I have to throw my hat in the ring here. I have been playing with WP sites a lot lately and here's my opinion:

    1) Once you get some themes you like and plugins you need, WP is a blast. It is so easy to add new articles to the site without fixing links and such.
    2) WP pings all the sites about your updated content - powerful SEO stuff. Don't underestimate the power.
    3) I can instantly change the look of the site whenever I want. Keeps it fresh.
    4) Moving the site can be a pain.
    5) Plain html is faster.
    6) Plain html is a much smaller drain on the server.
    7) Plain html is so much easier to move.
    8) Plain html allows complete control and backups are easily done.
    9) Plain html does not have database vulnerabilities for hacker.

    Well, I hope this helps someone.

    TomG.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vyliss
    Anyone remember removeable type? It was similar to Wordpress only it actually creates the HTML pages for you after you publish or update your post... It sounds more like sth you would like.

    I also know what you mean about the frustrations of WP... I have been coding websites by hand for years but then I got to the point of needing to code full blog applications (which was annoying) so WP and MT really made that easier. But there's some big annoyances with the script too!

    With wordpress you need to find a lot of plugins to make it work the way you want and know the internal codings to customize things.. not hard for a coder, just a bit annoying sometimes.
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    I could see going back to html for some things, but as I learn build more and more wordpress sites, I'm leaning towards ditching html sites altogether. The plugins for seo like all in one seo, or even better, headsup2 make these sites so attractive to search engines. I guess its just about time. WP takes the pain out of things like includes. It is just what you get used to, but I'm really liking wordpress these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hendricks
    Hi Ken,

    Both have their place.

    I find the WP blog platform does well for articles, but good old fashioned html pages are much better when putting together direct marketing style salesletter sites.

    The html is so much more flexible in creating the right look and feel for a sales communication.

    That's why they are used for that purpose, and not the blog alternative.

    Use both, but for different purposes.

    Best,

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  • Profile picture of the author KenJ
    I must thank you all for this helpful stuff.

    I have made websites using notepad, frontpage, Visual studio, blogger, and wordpress.

    This thread really came about because no wordpress theme looks the way I want it to look.

    Give me a css stylesheet and some html pages and I'm cooking on gas. I can get the look that I have in my mind very easily.

    I have used free wordpress themes and for one site used Revolution Tech which is a purchased theme.

    The problem with these wordpress themes is that I do not know enough to adapt the theme to make it do want I want.

    I may have to learn more PHP to do this but surely that will defeat the object of using wordpress.

    I have a new planned project which will have about 900 pages of content after 6 months. (I am a writer remember). I would like to use wordpress because I can add to it from any computer in the whole wide world. The problem is that the themes and categories system limit what I can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author cfloyd
    OK...I'm weighing in late on this conversation but I'm all about WP. It is so much easier and I can do it myself, no need to hire someone. HTML is just too hard for the average person.

    My vote is on WordPress...

    Cindy
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielKemp
    I just wordpress cause that is what I'm using to learn with. You can do pretty much anything with it which is cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinBrown
    Hello kenj

    You have said you know css and html already, so just invest a little time to work out how to adjust a WP theme to suit your needs.

    I have, and I now find I can reuse it over and over.

    900 pages? How could you consider doing a site like that, with regular html?

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Amy Bass
    I had a bunch of HTML sites and my Wordpress sites ALWAYS outperformed my HTML ones. I am in the process of converting all my old HTML sites to Wordpress!
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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      I will look at developing my own theme from a basic one as you suggest Kevin.

      I have a specific way to have a site with 900 pages using HTML. If I can replicate this with wordpress that will be good
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon1
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    HTML site build with XSitePro 2 is basically more SEO friendly, so if you want to use HTML, you should get XSitePro2.

    XSitePro 2 comes with very good silo structure + SEO tools, your site can easily rank high if you know what you are doing!

    Wordpress on the other hand will need some plugins and tweaking for better on page optimization. However, if you know how to tweak Wordpress, it will be a better choice, because you can setup Wordpress site in the shortest time, and it is "Off page" search engine friendly in nature!
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela Neo
    THis post comes just at the right time for me.. I was just going to ask this static vs wp question. I"m in a similar situation with Kenj. I find it difficult to move around wp, especially when I'm not into coding and fussing with css/html stuff. I've always used Xsitepro from the start. However, I've been thinking lately about using WP just because of its seo benefits as well as its vast variety of themes. But it takes me so long to set up a "half done" wp blog. There must be an easier way to use wp cuz I know a lot of people are using it without problems. Maybe I just need a mentor/guide.
    I've also got a question about transferring/ moving a blog to a new owner in the event that I sell it. Have not been able to find a proper step by step answer to that.
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    • Profile picture of the author scorpio9
      Originally Posted by Choying View Post

      THis post comes just at the right time for me.. I was just going to ask this static vs wp question. I"m in a similar situation with Kenj. I find it difficult to move around wp, especially when I'm not into coding and fussing with css/html stuff. I've always used Xsitepro from the start. However, I've been thinking lately about using WP just because of its seo benefits as well as its vast variety of themes. But it takes me so long to set up a "half done" wp blog. There must be an easier way to use wp cuz I know a lot of people are using it without problems. Maybe I just need a mentor/guide.
      I've also got a question about transferring/ moving a blog to a new owner in the event that I sell it. Have not been able to find a proper step by step answer to that.
      Choying
      look at rapidnichewebsites.com. Their formatter will help you massively by speeding up the design/customization of wordpress. here is an example of one siteI built using RNW http://caralternativefuels.com

      If you decide to purchase let me know before you do so
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    • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
      Originally Posted by Choying View Post

      I've also got a question about transferring/ moving a blog to a new owner in the event that I sell it. Have not been able to find a proper step by step answer to that.
      I have not looked at it yet but the first video in this thread may help you.

      here


      Kevin.
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      • Profile picture of the author scorpio9
        Originally Posted by kevin campbelle View Post

        I have not looked at it yet but the first video in this thread may help you.

        here


        Kevin.
        Kevin/Choying,
        that's dead simple;

        Option.1
        In the existing site login to WP Admin go to Manage > Export > Download Export File, this will create a WPR file containing all you posts, pages, comments, custom fields, categories, and tags.

        On the new site log into WP Admin, goto Manage > Import > Wordpress

        if the filesize is really big it can cause a problem, depending on the max_upload_size limit imposed by your ISP, but you can break it up into smaller chunks.

        Option 2
        on the current domain cPanel use phpmyAdmin to create a SQL dump of the database used for WP, then on the New cPanel install WP then used phpmyAdmin to upload the content of the dump into your new WP database.

        these are other ways I'm sure
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      sorry for double post, our proxy is playing up
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    • Profile picture of the author scorpio9
      Originally Posted by Choying View Post

      THis post comes just at the right time for me.. I was just going to ask this static vs wp question. I"m in a similar situation with Kenj. I find it difficult to move around wp, especially when I'm not into coding and fussing with css/html stuff. I've always used Xsitepro from the start. However, I've been thinking lately about using WP just because of its seo benefits as well as its vast variety of themes. But it takes me so long to set up a "half done" wp blog. There must be an easier way to use wp cuz I know a lot of people are using it without problems. Maybe I just need a mentor/guide.
      I've also got a question about transferring/ moving a blog to a new owner in the event that I sell it. Have not been able to find a proper step by step answer to that.
      Choying
      look at http://rapidnichewebsites.com. Their formatter will help you massively by speeding up the design/customization of wordpress. here is an example of one siteI built using RNW caralternativefuels.com

      If you decide to purchase let me know before you do so
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon1
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    Google for Jeff Johnson's FREE SEO WORDPRESS BLOG, Jeff's team has done some optimization to it, should help.

    I personally use WP SEO Sniper to optimize my wordpress, you can try Virtual Silo as well. I find WP SEO Sniper better, but you can do more findings yourself.

    Wordpress is good for off page SEO, on page sucks... You need to tweak it.
    You can use Jeff version and get programmer to customize the installation script for you, you can easily deploy it with minimum setup.

    I think Jeff version is ok, but still need some tweak.
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  • Profile picture of the author scorpio9
    Hi Ken
    Many years ago I started out building sites by hand using HTML/CSS.
    Then I started to use FrontPage, Dreamweaver, XSiptePro and several similar tools.
    All the above took time to learn and time to build and maintain sites created with them.

    I then went of to Content Management Systems such as Joomla, Drupal PHPNuke. Again, steep learning curve to get them setup and use properly

    Then I discovered Wordpress; building wordpress "blogs" are quick, as in
    - 2 minutes to install (if you do it via Fantastico)
    - 2 minutes to configure settings
    - 10 minutes top find a decent template and customize it (from 1000's)
    - 15 minutes to upload and configure 15 plugins (from 1000's)
    - 45-60 mins to paste in and format 30 posts/pags, setup sitemap and ping search engines.

    - usually get a visit from search engine spider in 24hrs

    - 5 mins daily to add a new posts/pages

    rest of the time I concentrate on back links to the site.

    Nowadays you can build a word press "blog" so that
    - it does not remotely look like a blog,
    - automatically updates itself
    - promotes itself in Search engines and Web 2.0 site without you lifting a finger!
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  • Profile picture of the author francophile
    For a newbie - it is a no brainer: WORDPRESS; you can get free hosting at WordPress.com Get a Free Blog Here. The free hosting has some restrictions but you can try for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simplweb
    mmm, I think one might have to be a sadist to build anything bigger than a 5 page site with hand coded HTML.

    If you want to dynamically update all your pages, you have to plod through every single one, edit and re-FTP.

    A CMS is just one click.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    I build with both. Sales letter sites with HTML and blogs with WP.

    HTML is fast, flexible and less complex zero updates required.

    WP is powerful and a traffic magnet.

    I can get great SEO rankings with either.
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    • Profile picture of the author ioio
      Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

      I build with both. Sales letter sites with HTML and blogs with WP.

      HTML is fast, flexible and less complex zero updates required.

      WP is powerful and a traffic magnet.

      I can get great SEO rankings with either.
      What you mean WP is a traffic magnet ?My opinion is that with HTML You can do much better SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author I.M.Retired
    Ken: There are some really nice options for what you are wanting to do at interactivetools.com. Not free, but powerful site creation tools that offer tremendous flexibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author tj
    Lol - all that stuff sounds to me like the war between a Mac User and a Windows User

    Timo
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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      Scorpio thankyou for your info here.

      I am now thinking of commisioning a wordpress theme.

      It would be a modification of one that is nearly good enough.
      The reason I use wordpress is that I can work on it anywhere - no onboard software required. The reason I use HTML is that I can get the look and feel perfect usually in an hour.

      As a side note to the seo part of the discussion I still think HTML websites that are of reasonable size are at least as good in the SERPs as blogs - But not as quick as getting indexed. Nothing really to back this up other than watching my own stats.
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