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| One Week Marketing with PotPieGirl - How I Make Money Online For Free - My Affiliate Marketing Guide Have a look at this site - I'm not promoting this, there is no affiliate link, I'm just querying the legitimacy of their clickbank screenshot. Have a look at the clickbank screenshot and under the words 'sep' and 'clickbank' you can see a red line - like the line you get under a word that has wrong spelling when using the Word program. So if she has put this into Word - more than likely she has doctored it a bit don't you think? Maybe I'm wrong and if there is a legitimate reason why you would put it into word before adding it to your site, someone please tell me, but it does look a bit suspicious to me. |
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It's fake.. if you read what was below the screenshot, this is what it says: While that is not a real Clickbank screenshot, I can tell you that I am well on my way to having an account like that... |
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Oh it does too, I didn't even notice that bit Wow, that's very deceiving isn't it? |
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Yea.. don't really agree with it.. I think it'd be better if she didn't include it at all but at least she's honest about it? lol
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Well yeah, I wonder how many people buy the product after being impressed with that screenshot and not reading that bit underneath
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Its fake, obviously.
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That's a bit misleading to say the least. lol. I looked at the properties of the picture and it's called clickbank-goals.jpg I really don't think that should be included on the sales page. I'm not sure how that would help anyway, if people read what's underneath it. Drive Safe, Noah |
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It's not deceptive for these reasons.. 1. She never claimed that she was making the figures shown with her own CB account. Instead, the writer never made any suggestion that is was legitimate. 2. They simply stated an example: "Know what the secret is to be able to have a Clickbank account like THIS: 3. "While that is not a real Clickbank screenshot, I can tell you that I am well on my way to having an account like that..." Number three, in my opinion, goes against the rules in copy-writing because it's a credibility killer more than it is deceptive copy-writing. Edit: The deceptive part, what miniscule portion it is, is from the readers perception. Grant |
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I don't mean to play the Devil's Advocate here, but the approach taken and the comments underneath seems pretty much inline with what the FTC requires in terms of a disclaimer near the item being disclaimed and in a similar font/size, etc.. That's my opinion anyways and I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, LOL. I skimmed the sales page very quickly to see how what she wrote flows in the context of the copy itself and I think it's above board. I don't see her being misleading at all - unless you over-analyze it. |
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Well yeah I guess when you look at it that way you are right I have actually bought this product and although its too early to say if her method will work, it does sound very good, very solid information. I guess I just got a bit concerned when I realised the screenshot was fake and I didn't see the bit underneath it. |
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I've read some good reviews of the product and I'd be interested in what she has to say, however I felt the use of that fake screenshot sent all her credibility straight out the window. I see so many WSO's etc where people say it is 'possible' to do xyz, but if they aren't doing it themselves then why should I believe them? It's so easy to say you can earn $2000 a day, but doing it is a whole different ball game. I'd have had more respect for her if she'd shown her own Clickbank account - even if she was only earning $100-$200 a day. |
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Hamida, I only disagree with you because she's done the opposite of what most marketers do and to me that's more credible. Unless I missed it, she's not making any specific claims, but pointing out her own goals. And I didn't perceive it as a way to earn a specific amount easily, but a way to really get a good start on your business online. I also really liked the site design - especially the testimonials. Although it's still a typical IM sales pages in some respects, it stands out for me. In fact, I'm almost ready to buy now, LOL. | |
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Plus you can tell from the red dotted lines under certain words too, a little prompt to say the spelling is incorrect |
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Whow..let me get this straight. Someone sells a "clickbank marketing guide"...and posts a made-up screenshot. If her guide was halfway useful, she could've actually posted a REAL CB screenshot...since she did NOT, she proves that what she sells is nothing else than snake-oil. Not really convincing, isn't it? This site/product failed already and she even prove it ![]() No thanks. |
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I'm slightly surprised that some people seem to think that an obviously fake screenshot is "ok" just because it says in the small print that it's not a real one. The intention is clearly to deceive.
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Well she' claiming "she's on the way of having a CB account like this"...which basically would be on avg 1800-2000/DAY...which would be about 50K/month. If she *really* were on the way, even a 10th of such earnings as "proof" would be far more convincing...even a CB shot with a couple sales a day, even "only" $100/day steadily would be at least convincing that what she sells has some base. The fact that she doesn't do this ...well...think for yourself, people |
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I agree that the screenshot is somewhat deceptive. Even though she says it's not a real screenshot, many people won't notice that. The eyes automatically go to the image and miss the text directly underneath it. I don't know potpiegirl, so I'm in no way defending her, but I can say that she does make money online. A few months ago she promoted a product from one of my sites, and she made a couple hundred bucks from mentioning it on either Twitter or Squidoo (I forget which one). So if the method she teaches in her product is the same as how she got those sales, then it's probably a solid method. Again, I'm not defending her or endorsing her in any way, just stating the little bit that I know of her. Denise |
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I couldn't stand it anymore - the "Is she or isn't she" being deceptive, so I just bought the package to see for myself. I've skimmed through some of it and it's quite good for someone new to affiliate marketing. For that matter, her weekly plan for driving traffic is solid and time tested - do the work and they will come ![]() I'm going to sit down later and thoroughly read the rest - there's a couple of hundred pages to work through, plus the Mind Maps and Checklist she prepared. In fact, I think I might work through the process in a week or two if I can schedule in some free time. I'm not an affiliate marketer, but am curious to see exactly how effective her plan really is. On that note, bear in mind that my initial impression is that this is for beginners or those struggling with traffic generation (always the key to success). I'm not a beginner, but she has reminded me of a few things I should get my boys to work on more. By the way, it's exceptionally well written and organized and interesting to read - no fluff. Oh - and she doesn't come off like a Guru; just someone who's got a plan and it's working. No bragging, no hype - just good planning and organization. |
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Wow Mike, I can't believe you just went ahead and bought it to review. That's great. I just used her contact form to let her know that there is this discussion taking place here. |
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I believe PotPieGirl has an account here, maybe she'll chime in here. This is why I always read through a sales page twice before I purchase, just incase I miss something. ;o) |
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Very misleading, and poorly done at that. Of course 'she' lost any chance of my buying before I ever got to that. The snail's pace of her slide in ad, the fact that it screwed with my ability to read the page, and I couldn't close it until it was almost all the way in the screen due to the close button location... I think this PotPieGirl needs a few lessons. Respect for their customers and prospects being first on the list. |
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I didn't get any slide-in ad. I would have noticed, for sure, because I frequently have trouble closing them, too. I use an 800 x 600 screen resolution and it seems most of those ads are set up for a larger one, so I can't see the little x to close out unless I change my screen resolution. It drives me nuts! lol Denise | |
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Hehe, well guess it didn't hurt her, seems to have made her some sales by the look of it! I know she's making good money online, I've heard of her before, which is why I don't understand why she needed to fake a screenshot. It's not needed at all. I agree her slide-in ad needs work though. | |
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I've gone through it, and surely it's well written but the real value will come out of it when this whole marketing plan of hers is put in to action . So next week, I'm launching a project in a niche not related to IM, and will put this action plan of hers in to full use, and let's see how it'll go. I'll update at the end of next week with my initial results. |
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I don't know her, but searched and found her blog. Here is what she says about it: My Clickbank Earnings Proof | I Make Thousands Each Day On Clickbank With OneWeekMarketing.com | PotPieGirl.com |
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I'd just deleted my post , I read on afterwards and realised that she WAS just faking it. Oh well! I just don't understand why she feels the need to do that - I would be just as happy to see her real account with a few hundred a day. To be honest I don't believe she's earning ANYTHING near what she claims to be earning, and it's all because of this stupid screenshot stuff. Does she really think more people will buy because she claims to be earning 4 figures a day? |
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Wow! This says it's "proof" of her earnings, not that she's "on her way" to earning that much. Kind of makes me re-think my original thoughts on it. Denise | |
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Her blog post is excellent but the way she used it on her sales page is a bit shoddy. Even if she was trying to make a point--your sales page is a strange place to do that. Most people skim and they won't see the it's a fake part but they will see faked income proof screenshot. The IM niche is already very mistrusting so doing stuff like that doesn't help. After reading further and seeing her blog she appears straight up and her product looks fine enough but using a fake screenshot...even if to make a point just doesn't make sense. A lot of people will assume the worse. I admit when someone pointed out the paragraph where she says it's fake...I thought: Oh she added that because she "busted" with the fake screenshot. Damn I hate being so cynical. |
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Ohhh...my ears are burning...lol! (Thanks, Tak, you telling me about this thread!) I have been waiting for someone, ANYone, to start a discussion about this screenshot. I think, as online marketers, it is high time we have it. First, let me give the story on that screenshot. Yes, it is totally fake. The red lines are due to the fact that I didn't turn my spell check off when taking the image shot. I originally made that screen shot for a blog post in an attempt to show others just how easy it is for someone to fake them. I wanted my readers to be aware of their own emotional responses to those images and keep their buying impulses in check. This is the post on my blog: My Clickbank Earnings Proof | I Make Thousands Each Day On Clickbank With OneWeekMarketing.com | PotPieGirl.com The short little video at the end is a video I found on YouTube that shows exactly how to doctor screen shots....and folks, it is so so so easy to do, even a "tech-idiot" like myself did it in mere minutes. Basically, you go to your clickbank account and put a certain line of code in the browser window. This opens up the page for editing. Yes, right on the page. No PhotoShop...nothing like that. It's unreal. I thought I was making that screen shot so unbelievable and far-fetched, that others wouldn't dare think it was real..... Wrong. My intent to educate my readers actually became an education for ME. Within minutes of that post being live, I started to receive all these "congratulations" emails! I was like, "WHOA! WAIT! Please, Please go back and READ the post." Then I started to get emails from folks who said they don't care if it's fake or not. They printed it out and put it right next to their computer for inspiration. Apparently, that screen shot is extremely motivating for those that are trying to get going with all this internet marketing stuff. And it was THAT reason why I put that very screen shot on my sales page. If it takes 3 minutes of my time and a doctored screen shot to motivate others... even ONE other... to get to work, take action, and change their financial life by learning a new skill - I'll do it. If you check the FAQ page for One Week Marketing, you will see an explanation for that screen shot and why it is on the sales page. One Week Marketing - Frequently Asked Questions My goal was NEVER to pull the wool over someones eyes. In fact, the original point of that screen shot was to help others pull the wool OFF their own eyes and be more careful of the shiny numbers online. My personal opinion of earnings screen shots? I detest them. I can't remember ever having a job before that I needed to show my pay check in order to be credible. On the other hand, at one time I was a managing golf pro. People asked me for lessons based on two things - my swing and my handicap (my scores). So, those people chose to listen to me because of my technique and my results using that technique, right? So, I imagine that choosing who you learning online marketing from would need some kind of "proof", too? Personally, I am torn. This thread is incredible input, and I am so glad this conversation was started. Ok, let's see if I can answer some of the above questions/comments... Quote:
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I'll tell ya what else.... I am really really proud of my earnings online. I started all this not knowing squat and having less than squat to invest. I found a way to utilize all free methods to make money online so that I then had money to invest to move my online business forward. I wanted a business, not fast easy money, and I knew it all had to start by finding a way to get money coming IN without me spending money. I did... and I worked my bottom of...and now I am here. My apologies if this sounds boastful, but I am REALLY proud of myself. I KNOW it can be done... but only when people stop looking for the shortcuts to success. The thing is, you're saying that I need to show my Clickbank screen shot to prove my credibility? Good point, so let's talk about it. I could take a screen shot right now and post it. Personally, I really like the way it looks =), but what did I prove? Ok, yes, I will "prove" that I am making good money online, BUT, is it proof that One Week Marketing works? The numbers one sees in my Clickbank account today are NOT all direct earnings from OWM. They ARE earnings because I *started* with OWM, but now, my business has grown. I have websites, and products, and a blog, and landing pages for PPC campaigns. In my opinion, showing my CB earnings now would be VERY deceptive. Yes, OWM builds the roots for the rest of it to grow....but my earnings today are not earnings JUST from OWM. Make sense? And heck, I'll ask this and see what y'all have to say... How many marketers put earnings "proof" on their sales page that isn't direct proof of the system they are selling? But George... your last part of your statement "think for yourself, people" is exactly what I have been trying to teach my readers and I agree 110%! Quote:
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Alan, I agree with you. It's strange... EDIT: This was written before I saw PotPieGirl's response In a lot of ways that makes sense, but it can come across wrong, as we've seen |
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Actually there is a plugin, I even think Flock has it built in to the browser that makes you aware of spelling mistakes and gives them this red underline. In fact mine is doing that right now with the word plugin. Hey there it goes again. lol It is kind of fishy but I am most positive that this is the case. |
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I happen to know Jennifer personally from another forum where I moderate. I haven't read her report, but I do know that she's learned a lot from me over the past few years. I don't know whether that's good or bad. ![]() But I can say this with absolutely certainty. If she learned what she was supposed to, she should easily be making $100 a day or more. As for the screen shot, thank God you put that disclaimer there or I would have been emailing you and asking you if you had lost your mind. As for those who feel that the screen shot is still wrong, even with the disclaimer, that's something else altogether. Personally, Jennifer, I feel, especially in THIS niche, that it WILL hurt your sales and your credibility as people will still perceive it as either deceptive OR, that you're not all that successful. Trust me. This niche is a bitch and credibility is 90% of the battle. I'm sure you'll eventually figure out the right thing to do for YOU. |
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"I'll have a clickbank account like that soon" haha. That was something I've never seen!
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You don't have to show screenshots anyway...even if you do get to the point of making that much in clickbank. Mainly because no one will believe the screenshot anyway...so just make your copy convincing and you will be good to go. Most people you will be marketing to will never believe a screenshot anyway. And as far as you seeing the video on YouTube to edit that... Talk to Steve Fullman lol...you probably watched his video 8) |
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To be honest I think you would do better by putting up your own screen shots. why? I have no proof of this but if you check the WSO section you will see products teaching how to make $50, $100, $200 a day do better than most. There was even a thread a while back about products with smaller earning claims doing so well. This is just an educated guess, But I would also say products with lower earning claims attract more customers because $100 a day is within the reach of everyone. There are so many people who would be happy to make $100 a day online. To them it doesn't sound so far fetched or out of there reach. Hey, if you are not sure just try it out for a few weeks and see if there is an increase in sales. Regards, paul |
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It is simply much easier for someone to convince them selves that making $100 a day is more in their reach then $1000. No matter the amount of work that would have to be done to achieve either. The $100 method could be more work, but in their mind they have already convinced themselves that this is much more possible. While on the other hand making $1000 seems just to good to be true. | |
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That screenshot is definately misleading. I will say, if you dont really do it and make that much, dont have it in there. Credibility busted is credibilty nevr to be gained again. Hope you learn Jen. |
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Yes, I will...thank you. I'm not afraid to step outside the box and try something new. I also understand that perception is a big factor in all this. However, I have also learned that people will judge you by their perception of a single image...and never read further. People, in general, scan and judge...and then feel misled because they didn't read. It's a very powerful lesson, indeed! Thank you all for your feedback and insight. Jennifer ~PotPieGirl | ||||
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Yeah I thought PotPie had an account too Tom! Tried to get in touch a few times about the Lenses she was selling, ah well! ![]() Edit: dammit, she's here! lol hey Jen you still selling some squidoo stuff? |
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Alan - THANK YOU ![]() Hiya Alex! Not much left, but you're welcome to poke thru and see what you can find. I haven't had a moment to breathe lately (let alone do laundry...lol). The link is at the top of my blog. Thanks all! Jennifer ~PotPieGirl |
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Oh yea! Besides I've always been taught to read the bold...or fine print in this case. But at the very least she was honest about it. I come some pages where the snapshots are fake like 07 earnings when the webpage is 08. Whats up with that? But thats why you should be careful before purchasing and examine EVERYTHING! Good thing you asked about it first...Although I want to know did it look fake to you?
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I have to agree with Big Mike...... I think she took the time to cover her butt.... |
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So ... should I post a disclaimer with my latest ClickBank screenshot? |
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Hahahhahahahahhahaa!! Nah... that one is TOTALLY legit! No one would dare question it! Jennifer ~PotPieGirl |
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