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Oh No... Don't start teaching Internet Marketing you wacko

by Scott Ames
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I don't know quite how to say this or if it's going to come off with right tone.

Have you ever known a slick "car salesman" type of shady character that will pitch anything as long as there is profit in it? Have you known the "network marketing" rah rah type person that sells a marginal product and/or almost illegal pyramid scheme?

The type of person I mean is one that slaps you on the back with a false "I'm your friend" and you know even their mother can't trust them.

Well I've seen some of those type of people getting into the "Internet Marketing" bandwagon with products, infomercials, and mlm.

It's to be expected but I fear it's going to grow a crop of honest folks that are looking for something, buy a totally hyped product, fail or buy a $5,000 junk seminar, get jaded, and then look at all internet marketing teachers as religious zealots.

This hit me today as one more slimy character that in the past that pushed everything from pills to real estate launched a business to teach internet marketing.

While it's to be expected I hate to see this type come play in my chosen playground.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    They've been playing on this playground for a long, long time. That's why so many beginners come to the WF either with stars in their eyes... or feeling totally crushed from being burned so many times.

    BTW, I know exactly the type you're talking about. I have a friend whose husband is a stereotypical used car dealer. Even her parents didn't trust him to give them a good deal on a vehicle. They had to check with other sources to make sure he wasn't ripping them off... lol.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    On the other hand... every non-work activity I was involved with meant a parking lot full of the brand of cars I sold. And I NEVER discussed business outside of work. (I know not a good sales guy), yet they always came to me for a car.

    (And I do not play in your playground )
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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    ex car sales man here, I take no offense in your posting,
    but a salesman loves to pitch his product.
    It depends on the media that he is pitching to if it is a internet sales page he has
    to do all the talking so it seems to be one sided.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    You're right Scott - I feel the same.

    Some of my coaching clients come to me having been a victim of those people.

    The thing that surprises me is how much they've often given these people and how little they actually got. It's embarrasing to think that people in our niche do that, but worse that the people they pray on are struggling and looking for help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
    The only thing that we can do about such people is IGNORE. They are not even worth talking about. It happens in every industry.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      On a related theme, there's a launch that fired up this week that promises to teach folks how to sell their services to offline business, part of the premise being if you haven't figured out how to make money for yourself online, start making money by selling your failing services to unsuspecting business owners offline. It's enough to make me want to puke.
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      • Profile picture of the author theultimate1
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        On a related theme, there's a launch that fired up this week that promises to teach folks how to sell their services to offline business, part of the premise being if you haven't figured out how to make money for yourself online, start making money by selling your failing services to unsuspecting business owners offline. It's enough to make me want to puke.
        This may not apply in all cases. Some are just not willing to invest (read: take risk) although they have the skills - that's conservative mindset at play! But, that doesn't mean they're no good.

        However, if they're being taught to position themselves as experts without a single project to showcase, that's wrong. And, by common sense, the offline clients won't buy into such claims. The smart ones will ask for proof.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I guess they seem to be in almost every facet of our life. Just last week i wanted to buy a gray hair product and did some intensive research. I finally found one that was promising and then suddenly i decided to dig in more. Lucky enough i was able to see comment from other people who have bought the same product through amazon. They all didn't say anything good about it, i doesn't work. The strategy the company use is, you need to take it for at least six month before you can start seeing real result.

    Well, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    I see what you mean scott. It disgusts me aswell. The sad thing is that
    people keep falling for that stuff every day....
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    It's nothing new - people have been pushing shady IM stuff on a large scale for years. At least, I know I've been seeing infomercials for "get rich online quick" products for awhile.

    At the end of the day, I think it's up to people to do their own due diligence - especially before dropping a few hundred dollars or more on something they see advertised on TV. There are always going to be people who fall victim to these types of scams, no matter how much good quality information is out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author jennypitts
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      Have you ever known a slick "car salesman" type of shady character that will pitch anything as long as there is profit in it? Have you known the "network marketing" rah rah type person that sells a marginal product and/or almost illegal pyramid scheme?

      The type of person I mean is one that slaps you on the back with a false "I'm your friend" and you know even their mother can't trust them.

      This hit me today as one more slimy character that in the past that pushed everything from pills to real estate launched a business to teach internet marketing.

      While it's to be expected I hate to see this type come play in my chosen playground.
      Unfortunately Scott, they will always be around and we will continue to see them pop up everyday!! :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      I have a friend whose husband is a stereotypical used car dealer. Even her parents didn't trust him to give them a good deal on a vehicle. They had to check with other sources to make sure he wasn't ripping them off... lol.

      Cheers,
      Becky
      LOL... Becky, NOW THAT is shady!!!

      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post


      Well, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
      It ALMOST ALWAYS is too good to be true!!!

      Originally Posted by IM Headlines View Post

      The sad thing is that
      people keep falling for that stuff every day....
      AND, they will continue to fall for these things on a daily basis. As much as we try to be honest business men and women, dishonest people will always exist. They always have and always will. It's a fact of life. Otherwise it'd be a perfect world.
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by Sarah Russell View Post

      It's nothing new - people have been pushing shady IM stuff on a large scale for years. At least, I know I've been seeing infomercials for "get rich online quick" products for awhile.

      At the end of the day, I think it's up to people to do their own due diligence - especially before dropping a few hundred dollars or more on something they see advertised on TV. There are always going to be people who fall victim to these types of scams, no matter how much good quality information is out there.
      Trouble is, until they cough up the $ there is no way to tell it is crap. Nice to have a friend that has already lost 10K, but few of them around.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Maybe I've just been hiding in a cave all this time, but... I've never seen a late-night infomercial on MMO products.

    Crappy Free Trial products, though, sure. I remember getting very pissed off when I found (I read fine print) that every single one would charge me automatically after a certain number of days...
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      Maybe I've just been hiding in a cave all this time, but... I've never seen a late-night infomercial on MMO products.

      Crappy Free Trial products, though, sure. I remember getting very pissed off when I found (I read fine print) that every single one would charge me automatically after a certain number of days...

      You mean you missed all those Don Lapre classics on building an Ebay empire?
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      • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
        Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

        You mean you missed all those Don Lapre classics on building an Ebay empire?
        I quit watching TV several years ago (except for the new episodes of Dr. Who). the last thing I remember from Lapre was "The Greatest Vitamin In The World" where he would "give" you your own website. Whoopeee!

        Before that, he went bankrupt with his "Makin' Money" program. DM News published a list of his creditors, he owed money to everyone who worked on his infomercials - and then some.

        Didn't I hear that the FTC has been going after Jeff Paul, John Beck, and another real estate guru because the coaching company they were all using seemed to be working a scam? Or at least the FTC (and the people who have complained loudly) seem to think so.

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      • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
        Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

        You mean you missed all those Don Lapre classics on building an Ebay empire?
        Yeah...

        I don't doubt there have been those types of infomercials though, and I'm sure there are many copycats. I really only got into watching TV the past couple years or so (and it's usually back and forth between USA, Comedy Central and Adult Swim), so I'm not so well versed as far as TV is concerned.
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  • Profile picture of the author skorpion
    I know what you're saying. I especially hate the dudes that spam the hell out of the facebook news feed with "Their Business Opportunity"...Make 6 figures telling your friends to sign up for our stupid night out site.
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    • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
      Very true Skorpion, I am big with Facebook and Twitter Marketing.

      I am sick or PeopleSting and YourNight sales pitches. "Get paid to be Social Networking"

      I'll stick with Facebook, all the cool kids and my real live in person friends are there.
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        Act with honesty and integrity yourself.

        Be sure to give real value with all the products and services you provide.

        Encourage people to forget about the whole "get rich overnight" mentality and to realize that they're going to have to develop some skills and do some real work if they want to make money.

        People aren't stupid.

        Sooner or later (hopefully sooner) they'll realize who the honest marketers are and who the scammers are.

        When you go out of the way to be totally honest in your own business dealings dishonest people are easy to spot.

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        • Profile picture of the author kimkitch
          I got burned big time when i first started a year ago. Promises of big profits within 6 weeks and a 4 week money back guarantee if the product did not work. Guess what it did not work. Without this forum and the genuine people on here I would have given up on my dream. Having said that i was daft enough to fall for these wild promises and it certainly makes me research products a lot more before i purchase anything now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    This is true Scott. However, I wonder if this is actually an inevitable phenomenon. These types of people will usually plunge through anything that says 'profit' in them. While they may crush those newbies down, it is still the determination of the person that wins in the end. Just my thoughts I guess.
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    People sharing their success and failures is good and helpful.

    I know it has helped me getting a lot of things in perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author badboy_Nick
    Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

    I don't know quite how to say this or if it's going to come off with right tone.

    Have you ever known a slick "car salesman" type of shady character that will pitch anything as long as there is profit in it? Have you known the "network marketing" rah rah type person that sells a marginal product and/or almost illegal pyramid scheme?

    The type of person I mean is one that slaps you on the back with a false "I'm your friend" and you know even their mother can't trust them.

    Well I've seen some of those type of people getting into the "Internet Marketing" bandwagon with products, infomercials, and mlm.

    It's to be expected but I fear it's going to grow a crop of honest folks that are looking for something, buy a totally hyped product, fail or buy a $5,000 junk seminar, get jaded, and then look at all internet marketing teachers as religious zealots.

    This hit me today as one more slimy character that in the past that pushed everything from pills to real estate launched a business to teach internet marketing.

    While it's to be expected I hate to see this type come play in my chosen playground.
    Welcome to Internet Marketing ... where most stuff really is just repackaged hogwash.

    But then again, isnt this industry just like every other industry? I think so!

    Nick
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