ClickBank Allows OTO's Now?

Brandon Tanner · 10-15-2008, 11:11 AM

I've always heard that ClickBank banned OTO's, but I never personally asked them about it - until yesterday. Here is the reply I got back from them this morning...

"Thank you for your inquiry! ClickBank actually does not have any restrictions against one time offers."

Wow, that's news to me. And very good news!

Had anyone else heard this?

brockbraddock · 10-15-2008, 11:16 AM

As far as I know there has never been a restriction with OTO with ClickBank. I've ran them before without any problem.

Brock

timtim2500 · 10-15-2008, 11:21 AM

I never heard that clickbank disliked OTO...
Unless I missed something...
Tamer

Dennis Sim · 10-15-2008, 11:47 AM

No, CB never stop you from offering OTO.

A few reputable marketers actually offer 2 OTO.

Main Offer > OTO1 > OTO2

-Dennis.

dean mcevoy · 10-15-2008, 11:50 AM

i heard about this in a ewin chia e-book.

however the fact that the e-book itself was a OTO from clickbank kinda made it sound a bit daft.

Chris Lockwood · 10-15-2008, 11:59 AM

I've never heard of that restriction, either.

Brandon Tanner · 10-15-2008, 01:06 PM

That's strange. I've read that multiple times in other forums in the past year or two. And I know I've seen it mentioned in more than one article circulating the web. Here's one I just dug up that Steven W. wrote...

Clickbank Bans One Time Offers

Hey Steve - where ya at? Just curious where you got your info.

Anyhoo, time to go add OTO's to all my ClickBank products now.

GarrieWilson · 10-15-2008, 01:35 PM

They "banned" OTOs after payment but you can do one before they pay.

offer -> oto -> pay = OK
offer -> pay -> oto = BAD

Dick Doe · 10-15-2008, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner

I've always heard that ClickBank banned OTO's, but I never personally asked them about it - until yesterday. Here is the reply I got back from them this morning...

"Thank you for your inquiry! ClickBank actually does not have any restrictions against one time offers."

Wow, that's news to me. And very good news!

Had anyone else heard this?

Are you kidding? I used to know that they didn’t approve of anything which was a barrier between the completion of payment and the receipt of the download, and OTOs are such barriers.

Great to hear that CB is allowing it again. Guess we IMers are living in good times

Steven Wagenheim · 10-15-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner

That's strange. I've read that multiple times in other forums in the past year or two. And I know I've seen it mentioned in more than one article circulating the web. Here's one I just dug up that Steven W. wrote...

Clickbank Bans One Time Offers

Hey Steve - where ya at? Just curious where you got your info.

Anyhoo, time to go add OTO's to all my ClickBank products now.

I got my info from Clickbank LOL.

I'm telling you, these people change their policies more often than I
change my socks.

I give up with them.

MarkHBE · 10-15-2008, 03:01 PM

I had heard similar things at different times, but I've seen many OTO's over the past few years myself, so I never knew what to believe.

When it comes to ClickBank, a lot of times you have to just go for it and see what they say. Within reason, of course.

Peggy Baron · 10-15-2008, 03:09 PM

I remember reading in their fine print, which I'm too lazy to look for right now, that they have a beef with OTOs that don't give the buyer clear access to their purchased downloads.

I took that to mean if you put that little blurb near the top of your OTO that the download link is at the bottom of the page, then it's okay. They passed mine through like that.

Peggy

Brandon Tanner · 10-15-2008, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the replies everyone. It would be nice if they mentioned OTO's one way or another in their Terms Of Use, but they don't say anything about them.

From what I gather it appears that they are OK under some (most?) circumstances, but not OK under others. Guess I will have to give it a shot then.

cashtech29 · 11-22-2008, 07:41 AM

In anyone's opinion, what do you think about linking the buy button on the first page
(regular page) to the oto page?
You would tell them at the top of the oto page, that their buyers link is at the botton of
this page, (But you should check out this limited time offer first).
and then, at the bottom of the oto page, you would have text reading: YES,
I would like this upgrade offer, (Witch would take you to the upgrade payment processor)
and another text that reads: No thanks, I'll pass
on this upgrade offer. (Witch would take you to the regular payment processor).

How do you think the buyer would react to something like this?

cashtech29 · 11-22-2008, 07:48 AM

I am wondering if it is possible to have your payments go through paypal
and still run an affiliate program and create a hop link through click bank?

I've just heard that click bank takes a lot more out of your earnings than pay pal does.

Any ideas?

Louis Raven · 11-22-2008, 10:01 AM

Clickbank does allow OTO's. You're all just assuming the Clickbank rep was saying yes to an OTO after payment and before download. She wasn't, all she said was yes to a one-time-offer.

I believe if you asked her if it's acceptable to put an OTO between the order and download you'll have a different reply IMHO.

Louis

Michael Lee · 11-22-2008, 11:37 AM

As far as I know, Clickbank requires you to immediately give product access to the customers.

If they have to go through hoops or an opt-in form before they get what they paid for, I think that's not allowed.

But if you offer an OTO or upgrade option before they buy, or after they've been given the download link, that's perfectly fine.

Chris Lockwood · 11-22-2008, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Lee

If they have to go through hoops or an opt-in form before they get what they paid for, I think that's not allowed.

If so, that describes about half the products I buy through them.

Michael Lee · 11-22-2008, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood

If so, that describes about half the products I buy through them.

If that's the case, they're probably not checking products anymore once they get approved.

Louis Raven · 11-22-2008, 12:24 PM

So we've established that OTO's are allowed (why wouldn't they be?).

And, you can't put an OTO between the order and download right.

The solution:

OTO on the download page

I've seen this a gazillion times but isn't it funny how the simple things are the hardest to construct lol.

Louis

cashtech29 · 11-22-2008, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Raven

So we've established that OTO's are allowed (why wouldn't they be?).

And, you can't put an OTO between the order and download right.

The solution:

OTO on the download page

I've seen this a gazillion times but isn't it funny how the simple things are the hardest to construct lol.

Louis

So, how would an affiliate situation work with this scenario?
How would one set this up in order that their affiliate gets credit for the upgrade also?

Harvey.Segal · 11-22-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashtech29

So, how would an affiliate situation work with this scenario?
How would one set this up in order that their affiliate gets credit for the upgrade also?

If the OTO is for a ClickBank product in the same account there
is nothing to do as the affiliate cookie will have been set.

Harvey

cashtech29 · 11-22-2008, 01:33 PM

So What is click bank actually looking at with the affiliate setup?

There will be two separate products and two separate thank you pages.
If the first sales page sells the first product, then the affiliate will get paid for that
and when the buyer is redirected to the thank you / download page, now there is a
completely different buy button for a completely separate product and price.

How does the cookie on the affiliates computer register with a completely new product
at a completely different price?
(Hope that's not a dumb question... I'm just trying to understand the mechanics of
how the click bank affiliate system works).

Harvey.Segal · 11-22-2008, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashtech29

So What is click bank actually looking at with the affiliate setup?

There will be two separate products and two separate thank you pages.
If the first sales page sells the first product, then the affiliate will get paid for that
and when the buyer is redirected to the thank you / download page, now there is a
completely different buy button for a completely separate product and price.

How does the cookie on the affiliates computer register with a completely new product
at a completely different price?
(Hope that's not a dumb question... I'm just trying to understand the mechanics of
how the click bank affiliate system works).

The ClickBank cookie is set for a specific ClickBank account
which means that the sale of any item in that account will
earn commission for that affiliate.

Harvey

Louis Raven · 11-22-2008, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashtech29

So, how would an affiliate situation work with this scenario?
How would one set this up in order that their affiliate gets credit for the upgrade also?

They can't and shouldn't. The sale has been made and the affiliate credited the entitled commission in which agreed to when promoting the Hoplink.

No-one mentioned him having all future sales commission for each of my products.

He promoted 1 product and gets awarded commission for 1 product. If he doesn't like the setup he can promote another product.

It's the same as lead leaks via opt-in on hoplinks. There's no rules stating otherwise but it is frowned upon.

Louis

Louis Raven · 11-22-2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

The ClickBank cookie is set for a specific ClickBank account
which means that the sale of any item in that account will
earn commission for that affiliate.

Harvey

Well I'll tell you something.. once I have the lead/buyer/customer I'm taking them as far away from Clickbank as possible the moment they hit my funnel lol.

Harvey.Segal · 11-22-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Raven

They can't and shouldn't. The sale has been made and the affiliate credited the entitled commission in which agreed to when promoting the Hoplink.

They can - as explained above - but the publisher can override by using his own affiliate id in the OTO payment link

Harvey

Louis Raven · 11-22-2008, 02:11 PM

They can't, as I said:

Quote:

once I have the lead/buyer/customer I'm taking them as far away from Clickbank as possible the moment they hit my funnel

Which means the OTO will not be a clickbank product.

Louis

Akin Alabi · 11-22-2008, 02:43 PM

They actually stopped OTOs.

The kind of OTOs they accep are the ones you make before
payment but marketers easily beat this buy submitting the
real download page when signing up.

They then change the download page to the OTO page once
it has been approved.

BJ Min · 11-22-2008, 02:46 PM

Can someone show an example website
that sells a clickbank product with a OTO before payment?

I would like to see this visually to know how to do this.

Thanks
BJ

faclez · 11-22-2008, 04:30 PM

having just put my product on clickbank, they dont allow OTO's unless you have the product avaliable on the same page as the OTO. So the first text on your page would have to say " your product can be downloaded below" then your offer..... trust me I tried several different layouts... and got help by email explaining this ... hope this helps.

garyv · 11-22-2008, 04:52 PM

I use the oto in a different way. On some of my products, I'll add a oto to my email series for those that sign up to my list. Usually after 2 weeks, if they're still on my list and they haven't bought my item, I'll send them a oto with a much lower price. I snag a lot of sales with that.

tiger325 · 11-22-2008, 06:31 PM

I actually saw that somewhere to so its news to me

charlesburke · 11-22-2008, 07:14 PM

Maybe a lot of the confusion here is coming from a mixing of terms. An offer made before the prospect pays is not technically an OTO. It's an upsell or an upgrade, like Macdonald's "do you want fries with that" upsell.

And an OTO is an offer made immediately after the sale and before the customer is taken to the download page.

Different operations, different terms. Clear that up and you clear up a lot of the confusion about what's frowned upon and what's not.

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Charles

cashtech29 · 11-22-2008, 07:16 PM

So when someone adds a product to click bank, what does click bank actually see?
is it just the thank you page or do they see the sales page also?

Chris Lockwood · 11-22-2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlesburke

And an OTO is an offer made immediately after the sale and before the customer is taken to the download page.

Actually, an OTO is a one-time offer, regardless of where in the sales process it appears.

If you want to get more technical, many of the OTOs discussed here are not true OTOs since if the customer goes back to that page again, he'll see the offer again.

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Brandon Tanner Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,282 Thanks: 19 Thanked 69 Times in 34 Posts	Re: ClickBank Allows OTO's Now? Thanks for the replies everyone. It would be nice if they mentioned OTO's one way or another in their Terms Of Use, but they don't say anything about them. From what I gather it appears that they are OK under some (most?) circumstances, but not OK under others. Guess I will have to give it a shot then.
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cashtech29 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 591 Thanks: 4 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: ClickBank Allows OTO's Now? In anyone's opinion, what do you think about linking the buy button on the first page (regular page) to the oto page? You would tell them at the top of the oto page, that their buyers link is at the botton of this page, (But you should check out this limited time offer first). and then, at the bottom of the oto page, you would have text reading: YES, I would like this upgrade offer, (Witch would take you to the upgrade payment processor) and another text that reads: No thanks, I'll pass on this upgrade offer. (Witch would take you to the regular payment processor). How do you think the buyer would react to something like this?

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Louis Raven Elite Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: United Kingdom. Posts: 2,845 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 201 Thanked 62 Times in 47 Posts Social Networking	Re: ClickBank Allows OTO's Now? Clickbank does allow OTO's. You're all just assuming the Clickbank rep was saying yes to an OTO after payment and before download. She wasn't, all she said was yes to a one-time-offer. I believe if you asked her if it's acceptable to put an OTO between the order and download you'll have a different reply IMHO. Louis
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cashtech29 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 591 Thanks: 4 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: ClickBank Allows OTO's Now? So What is click bank actually looking at with the affiliate setup? There will be two separate products and two separate thank you pages. If the first sales page sells the first product, then the affiliate will get paid for that and when the buyer is redirected to the thank you / download page, now there is a completely different buy button for a completely separate product and price. How does the cookie on the affiliates computer register with a completely new product at a completely different price? (Hope that's not a dumb question... I'm just trying to understand the mechanics of how the click bank affiliate system works).

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