Go Back   WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums > The Warrior Forum > Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum
Register Blogs FAQ Social Groups CalendarHelp Desk

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-16-2008, 10:33 AM   #1
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
Eric Johnson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: In Your Head
Posts: 370
Thanks: 1
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Default How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

Hey guys I'm putting up the same sales page on three different url's.

I would be happy if the three sales pages were identicle because I'm just taking opportunity of preexisting traffic to these url's.

BUT, Google gives you a dupe penalty when you have the exact same content on different sites. I obviously want to avoid that but I really don't understand how it works.

How much do I need to change...does the headline need to be different...etc...etc...etc

Thanks guys.
Eric Johnson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 10:41 AM   #2
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Kay King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Gulf Coast, USA.
Posts: 15,147
Thanks: 3,714
Thanked 4,145 Times in 2,259 Posts
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

The duplicate content penalty that Google used is concerned with using the SAME pages again and again on ONE site to make the site seem larger.

Some time ago this was a rather common practice. Site owners would write one page and just repeat that same content on pages within a site.

If you look up any product being sold online you are likely to find several url's with the same or almost the same sales page.

I would advise the sites be hosted on different servers as I think (no proof) hosting three identical sites on one server might hurt SEO of the sites. I could be totally wrong about that - but seems like a good idea to spread them out a bit.

kay
Kay King is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 10:55 AM   #3
HyperActive Warrior
 
UcheO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 118
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

If you're worried about duplicate content - then change the content. If you have three different domains, make three different variations of the sales page. Include different testimonials, reword the content, use different images, get creative. Otherwise you could simply have the other two domains redirect to a single domain that has the sales page on it.

Web Marketing Services | Virtual Assistant | Blog
Outsource your web design, marketing, SEO, and ghost writing work.

Web Marketing Warrior Special
Blogging, Article Writing, and Marketing Service Retainers at discounted rates.
UcheO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 11:04 AM   #4
Wordsmith (& Skepchick)
War Room Member
 
Alexa Smith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 13,651
Thanks: 7,512
Thanked 9,548 Times in 4,948 Posts
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post
Google gives you a dupe penalty when you have the exact same content on different sites.
Opinions in this forum seem to differ rather a lot as to whether that's true, I've noticed. Some people seem to think that it's only duplicated material on the same domain that Big G penalises.

Alexa Smith ...

... writes stuff that snaps, crackles and pops - even if it's only about cauliflowers.

Alexa Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 11:16 AM   #5
SemiLiterate Marketer
War Room Member
 
Floyd Bogart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: , , USA.
Posts: 554
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 11
Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

Yeah, it seems to me that what you have is a great opportunity to split test three different versions of a salesletter.

Why not take advantage of the existing traffic this way?

Floyd Bogart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 11:37 AM   #6
Videos for the Web
War Room Member
 
Bill Farnham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Virginia, USA.
Posts: 2,704
Blog Entries: 5
Thanks: 2,586
Thanked 2,818 Times in 1,421 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

I've heard so many different opinions about duplicate content I decided a few months ago to simply create a website using mostly duplicate content as a test so I could see for myself what the results would be.

I chose a competetive market and based the site on a keyword that had a lot search volume.

There are NO backlinks to this site. I did that so I could isolate the results and not have it skewed by outside influences.

Well, that site has been climbing up the Google charts over time and has a first page ranking (#6) on MSN for the targeted keyword.

So from my perspective, I have reason to believe that the Dupe Penalty is a myth if we are talking about the same content on different sites.

Your milage my vary, but for me this test was fairly conclusive.

KJ


If you are a Real Estate Agent or know someone who is...Branding Videos for Real Estate Agents
Video Creators - Sign Up to get your FREE Sample Pack of 15 Viralmation Video Effects and start using these today. Works great with all video software. Videos for the Web - Got Video? Watch this!...Videos by Rapid 3D Graphics
Bill Farnham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 11:45 AM   #7
Banned
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Up North, USA
Posts: 2,517
Blog Entries: 11
Thanks: 88
Thanked 288 Times in 157 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

The one thing that Google HATES is websites with 1,000 pages of exactly the same content except one or two elements. Here's an example: php server script creates web pages from a database for all 50 states and all the counties within each state and stuffs them into templates. The result looks like this: mesothelioma attorneys in dallas, texas and then mesothelioma attorneys in longhorn texas, etc., etc. Google will slap your site down hard for something like this.

TomG.
tommygadget is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 11:59 AM   #8
HyperActive Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: United States
Posts: 281
Thanks: 7
Thanked 24 Times in 9 Posts
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

the only thing you need to worry about when
it comes to dupe content is that you shouldn't
have the same content more than once on the
same site.

Otherwise nothing has ever been proven that
having the same content on two different sites
will get you penalized.

Mike Montgomery is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 12:03 PM   #9
Software Developer
War Room Member
 
jasonl70's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ohio , USA.
Posts: 2,273
Thanks: 416
Thanked 408 Times in 250 Posts
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

As a lot of people have pointed out already, the dup content penalty is for pages on the same site - not different domains.

-Jason
jasonl70 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 12:42 PM   #10
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
Seattle Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 243
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 104
Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

As a test I added an extra article to my dating site last November.

It's a good article by David D and is on 359 other sites according to google.

Google sent me 600 visitors to that page over the last year. Including 34 so far this month.
To duplicate content.

Like others said the duplicate content algo was developed to stop the machine generated adsense spam sites that had thousands of identical pages with only the keyword replaced on each one.

Unique is always going to get more traffic though. That's what Google wants.

I like the redirect them to one site idea. Only one email to watch, less maintenance.

~Michael Johnson

It Is Really Easy To Put Off Til Tomorrow What You Could Get Done In An Hour... Do Something Today.
Grab 7 FREE Internet Marketing Guides
Internet Marketing Tips
Seattle Mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 08:19 PM   #11
Advanced Warrior
War Room Member
 
Colin Evans's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Still Looking... Currently back in Zim...
Posts: 674
Thanks: 117
Thanked 64 Times in 28 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

Hi Eric,

If you're worried about any of the pages being ignored because of dupe content, change the text in the title tags, the meta description tag, the H1 tags, the first paragraph and the last paragraph and it's possible to get all three pages on the same results page.

SE's including Google use the data from those tags for the text in their listings but they won't display duplicate listing text - So give them different text to use for the listings...

Another tactic is to go after different keywords for each page in your linking campaigns, then the pages won't be competing with each other.

Sig not working today - too hung over...
Colin Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 09:19 PM   #12
Cash Blasters Online
 
Cash Blasters Online's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Seattle Washington
Posts: 246
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

Change the title slighty and re-arange the wording, the first paragraph should be totaly different,then re-arange the words in other paragraphs to say the same thing.
Also no use to get the same pages ranked on google, if you in the top 5 spots with the same page 3 out 5 times people will get upset and complain.

Rock,Blues Guitarist GW Williams - Free Internet Guitar information on new guitars,top brand strings,Guitar Lessons,tab,chords,lead guitar,hot licks,lead scales,guitar tips,and techniques all Free

Online Christian Blog Living For God Online
Cash Blasters Online is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2008, 09:26 PM   #13
The PLR Guy
War Room Member
 
Ronnie Nijmeh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 463
Thanks: 147
Thanked 79 Times in 42 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: How do I avoid the dupe penalty.

I think my fellow warriors have summed it up rather eloquently already, but put simply... I wouldn't worry too much about it... If you're really concerned, tweak the title tag (i.e. the stuff in <title></title>), the headline, and the first couple paragraphs.

Otherwise, 3 pages of dupe isn't that bad at all.

More cool WSOs from Ronnie Nijmeh

PLR Publishing Machines (How to publish books on Amazon & Kindle using PLR content)
Personal Finance Loophole (How to get on Page 1 of Google for FREE... making shed tons per lead)
Bread Money Method (IM & Weight Loss = Peanuts compared to this MONSTER niche)
Ronnie Nijmeh is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums > The Warrior Forum > Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum

Tags
avoid, dupe, penalty

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:50 PM.