Using A Female Alias For Your Campaigns...

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Has anyone out there found that a female name generates more trust and success in campaigns than a male one? The niche I'm about to go after isn't a gender specific one but I'm just wondering if writing in the voice of a female might result in a more trusting demeanor when I get around to suggesting my affiliate product.


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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Don't know, never tried to pretend I was a woman. I can tell you from the perspective of a potential customer or subscriber that gender doesn't matter to me. I weigh what a person says based on their words, nothing else. Your words have value, or they don't.

    I'm not sure I'd even want the kind of customers I'd have if I had to pretend to be a woman to get them. I wouldn't pretend to be an African American in order to get African America customers either. Nor would I pretend to be Asian, Spanish, purple, a treefrog, or a box of crayons.

    But that's just me . . . call me crazy, but I've never thought it was a good business practice to trick people into being my customer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Call me crazy, but I think a women persona selling a yeast infection cure (unless perhaps the man was a medical doctor) would be a much wiser choice than a male persona.

      I don't think there is anything wrong with doing that.

      Tom

      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Don't know, never tried to pretend I was a woman. I can tell you from the perspective of a potential customer or subscriber that gender doesn't matter to me. I weigh what a person says based on their words, nothing else. Your words have value, or they don't.

      I'm not sure I'd even want the kind of customers I'd have if I had to pretend to be a woman to get them. I wouldn't pretend to be an African American in order to get African America customers either. Nor would I pretend to be Asian, Spanish, purple, a treefrog, or a box of crayons.

      But that's just me . . . call me crazy, but I've never thought it was a good business practice to trick people into being my customer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        Call me crazy, but I think a women persona selling a yeast infection cure (unless perhaps the man was a medical doctor) would be a much wiser choice than a male persona.

        I don't think there is anything wrong with doing that.

        Tom
        A woman might be a wiser choice, but it depends how comfortable you are with representing yourself as someone you aren't (that's what false personalities/biographies/pictures/names are intended to do). There's no clear-cut line here, but I personally am not comfortable representing myself as a male online. The closest I'd go to that is adopting a gender-neutral name.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        Call me crazy, but I think a women persona selling a yeast infection cure (unless perhaps the man was a medical doctor) would be a much wiser choice than a male persona.

        I don't think there is anything wrong with doing that.

        Tom
        Well, if you can't present yourself as knowledgeable and authoritative on the problem without pretending to be someone you're not, maybe that isn't the best niche for you to be in. There are more profitable niches than you'll ever have time to dabble in, so I'm not sure why anyone would want to choose a niche where they have to be deceptive in the first place.

        To turn it around, if a woman tells me about a cure for jock itch, I absolutely don't care if she's a woman, I care if she has information that can help me cure my jock itch. I think women are just as capable as rational thinking as I am, perhaps even more so in this example because most are used to male doctors.

        That doesn't even get into any possible legal ramifications of misrepresenting yourself. The FTC crackdown on endorsements, affiliate disclosures, testimonials, and reviews may just be the beginning of taming the online wild west show. Who knows what the next wave will bring? The government is deeply in debt and looking at every way possible to raise money. That's why, according to a March 18 report from House Ways & Means Committee, it's been estimated the IRS will hire between 11,800 and 16,500 new agents.

        Whether it's right or wrong is up to each person's own moral code, I never said it was wrong, I simply said it didn't think it was a good business practice. There's a big difference.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


          Whether it's right or wrong is up to each person's own moral code, I never said it was wrong, I simply said it didn't think it was a good business practice. There's a big difference.

          I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then :rolleyes:
          I certainly don't view as a bad business practice, but i'm sure the powers that be, err, mods, around here, feel differently.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

            I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then :rolleyes:
            Fair enough. I'm not looking for converts, just was expressing my opinion in response to the OP's question. He did say the niche he was about to go after wasn't gender specific, so he's just looking for a gimmick or trick, and as I said, I don't think "tricking people" is a good business practice.
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          • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

            I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then :rolleyes:
            I certainly don't view as a bad business practice, but i'm sure the powers that be, err, mods, around here, feel differently.
            Where I disagree with you Tom is the avatar you're currently using. Try trading it in for something a bit more sensible. Like a green one with a giant block lettered "S" on it. =) Go Green!

            But seriously I think you would have to be a very good writer to be able to fool others in thinking you're of the opposite gender. The writing styles between men and women are totally different and very easy to pick up on.

            Authors use pen names all the time so I don't think there is anything unethical about doing it though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    Dennis expressed my thoughts perfectly. If I got wind at all that the writer was a male but posing as a female (and I'm pretty good at determining whether a piece of work was written by a male or female)... well, it would sure as heck make me trust the writer less than if he had been upfront about his gender.
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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post

      Dennis expressed my thoughts perfectly. If I got wind at all that the writer was a male but posing as a female (and I'm pretty good at determining whether a piece of work was written by a male or female)... well, it would sure as heck make me trust the writer less than if he had been upfront about his gender.
      So, do you buy any products from these guys:

      Recipes & Cookbooks ? Food, Cooking Recipes from BettyCrocker.Com

      Might want to get your money back.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        So, do you buy any products from these guys:

        Recipes & Cookbooks ? Food, Cooking Recipes from BettyCrocker.Com

        Might want to get your money back.
        Nope, I cook from scratch with my family's recipes.

        Seriously though, I understand your point. Writers through the ages have used pen names in order to conceal their gender. I'm just unsure how comfortable I am with trusting people at a one-to-one level who won't use their real name/gender. It's one of those issues I've been back and forth on, but never fully comfortable either way, and I don't accept the "it's part of the IM world" excuse to justify it.

        It could be just me, but if I needed any articles written from a man's perspective and name, I'd outsource to a male writer. Maybe I'm odd that way. :p

        Edited: Actually, thanks to Dennis' well-articulated responses, I know which way I'm leaning for good.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post

      Dennis expressed my thoughts perfectly. If I got wind at all that the writer was a male but posing as a female (and I'm pretty good at determining whether a piece of work was written by a male or female)... well, it would sure as heck make me trust the writer less than if he had been upfront about his gender.
      Having done ghost writing for a number of years, I can attest that most women can tell whether a man or a woman wrote an article. I have had several clients complain that I did not assign a woman to write their articles, and I was always dumbfounded how they could tell... But they always could...

      p.s. It should be noted that they did not request a woman, until after the first draft was given... And a woman writer was provided to complete the job...
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      • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Having done ghost writing for a number of years, I can attest that most women can tell whether a man or a woman wrote an article. I have had several clients complain that I did not assign a woman to write their articles, and I was always dumbfounded how they could tell... But they always could...

        p.s. It should be noted that they did not request a woman, until after the first draft was given... And a woman writer was provided to complete the job...
        Yup, it's definitely noticeable. I've found a number of people claiming to be the other gender in my forum-admin/mod/membership history, but I usually just keep it to myself. No point in stirring up that ruckus.

        Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

        Wow. Harsh responses in assuming that I'm doing something underhanded by using a female alias when many of you in this thread likely...

        A) Use a fake name for your campaigns

        B) Say you've "been there" when reviewing a certain product, when really all you've done is read a review copy for marketing purposes.

        C) Use pyschological triggers in your "Ad copy", wording things a certain way to make an offer more appealing.

        D) All of the above.

        I thank you for all of the input, but the "holier than thou" and borderline personal attacks crap is very off putting to someone just looking for advice.


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        I'm not sure if you're addressing me, but I think there's a difference between using appealing wording and saying you are a 70-year-old grandmother when you're a 20-year-old guy. If it were reversed (a 70-year-old guy claiming to be a 20-year-old girl) and in a different situation, such deception would be called wrong by nearly everyone in this thread who supports using another persona to appeal to people to buy. I'm not saying everyone should look down on it, just that I couldn't get my sleep at night from doing as such. I have no real problem with those who do, I just don't trust them not to be lying about other things (like having used the female products they're reviewing when they're physically incapable of doing so), too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    One time I tried to act like a female was during Carnaval and let me tell you: never again.



    But I am sure some people use alias all the time - including female alias. It's just a part of the game, isn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Winlin
      Just a thought:

      Some Products "I'm" selling , then I probably need to be me.

      Some Products "My Marketing Pieces are selling" In those instances I'm likely going to use marketing pieces that are gender biased, whatever that is.... if it will yield a higher ROI.

      Personally I prefer to remain anonymous whenever possible...

      Regarding purchasing products from an alias: Sure why not, if the presentation is good and the product has value. I care very little how the person who is selling portrays themselves as long as I get what I paid for.

      Just my opinion...
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Dennis,

    It may not matter to YOU... but it matters to a LOT of people.

    The perceived gender of the author can make a HUGE difference in sales.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

      Dennis,

      It may not matter to YOU... but it matters to a LOT of people.

      The perceived gender of the author can make a HUGE difference in sales.

      -Dan
      Like I said, Daniel, I wasn't out to win converts. Do whatever you choose. I'm not trying to be anyone's moral authority. I would be curious to know what you base your comment on though, proven fact or opinion.

      Here's what everyone seems to be missing...

      The OP said the niche he was about to enter wasn't gender specific. That means it isn't a niche that depends on what gender you are. That means he's just looking for a trick to give him an edge, and as I said, I don't think tricks are a good business practice. I think it's better to build a business than to collect a bag of tricks.

      I don't know why you want to argue a point that isn't germane to the original post, but I've seen people use tricks before, only to lose their income when the tricks no longer work. Then they start whining and looking for sympathy, usually blaming someone else for their trouble. In the meantime, my business just keeps on earning, I don't have to worry about being exposed as a fraud, and I still don't see why anyone would want to enter a market where you have to start off with deception when there are more profitable niches than you can possible work with.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
        Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

        Has anyone out there found that a female name generates more trust and success in campaigns than a male one? The niche I'm about to go after isn't a gender specific one but I'm just wondering if writing in the voice of a female might result in a more trusting demeanor when I get around to suggesting my affiliate product.


        ; )

        - Brandon
        Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post

        Dennis expressed my thoughts perfectly. If I got wind at all that the writer was a male but posing as a female (and I'm pretty good at determining whether a piece of work was written by a male or female)... well, it would sure as heck make me trust the writer less than if he had been upfront about his gender.
        There are literally over a dozen people on this forum who are guys posing as girls promoting their writing services.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
          Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

          There are literally over a dozen people on this forum who are guys posing as girls promoting their writing services.
          In my opinion, that's a real shame. I don't hire writers, luckily, but I'd think poorly of someone who misrepresented himself in this way, unless there was a darn good reason (James Chartrand comes to mind).
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
        Dennis,

        I'm speaking from experience. I haven't done the 10 000 split tests required to be 100% scientifically accurate; but I can tell you that I get paid a lot to write sales pages... and that I make my clients a lot of money.

        I've seen great things in markets like "weight loss" in which changing the author to a female (and editing some minor points in the copy to support that) nearly doubled sales. The sex market is similar as well.

        Bodybuilding niches work a lot better with men as the author.

        Having said that, both men and women are interested in all 3 of these subjects. But at the end of the day, we buy from people who we resonate with... and having the same gender often helps.

        EVERY niche depends on your gender, how you're perceived, and how you can use that perception. Some more than others, admittedly.

        You're welcome to your opinion but the fact of the matter is that perception matters, and gender is a part of that perception.

        No matter how we try and pretend otherwise we are a very prejudiced society, and a smart marketer will use that to his/her advantage rather than ignoring it.

        So when it comes to comments like: "I weigh what a person says based on their words, nothing else. Your words have value, or they don't."...

        ...you're not being completely honest.

        I'm not saying you're lying intentionally. But EVERYONE has some prejudice in some way, good or bad - and ignoring that it's there is naiive at best.

        -Dan

        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Like I said, Daniel, I wasn't out to win converts. Do whatever you choose. I'm not trying to be anyone's moral authority. I would be curious to know what you base your comment on though, proven fact or opinion.

        Here's what everyone seems to be missing...

        The OP said the niche he was about to enter wasn't gender specific. That means it isn't a niche that depends on what gender you are. That means he's just looking for a trick to give him an edge, and as I said, I don't think tricks are a good business practice. I think it's better to build a business than to collect a bag of tricks.

        I don't know why you want to argue a point that isn't germane to the original post, but I've seen people use tricks before, only to lose their income when the tricks no longer work. Then they start whining and looking for sympathy, usually blaming someone else for their trouble. In the meantime, my business just keeps on earning, I don't have to worry about being exposed as a fraud, and I still don't see why anyone would want to enter a market where you have to start off with deception when there are more profitable niches than you can possible work with.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michele Miller
          If you were going to buy a male enhancement product, would you prefer to hear everything about it from a male or a female? Assuming you were a male searching for this type of product, would you be more comfortable hearing about it from a male or a female?

          I know that if I wanted to learn about breast enhancement, I would prefer to hear the pros and the cons from a female since I am a female. Not that I need or want bigger breasts, but if I did, I would prefer to hear the pertinent info from a female. The simple reason is that the female gender who may have experienced that procedure, would surely have more experience about it to talk about. Now, to make it clear, when I say I promote male enhancement, we are not talking about surgery. I am talking about supplements.

          I am in the male enhancement business amongst other niches and I use a pen name, a male pen name. All the information I provide is medically tried and tested and trusted information, but my alias is a male. I don't think I would be trusted with the same information coming from a female regardless of the "gender" angle.

          There will be people that don't agree with me of course, and probably some slam-back comments, but I am just trying to point out that there will always be subjects/products where people won't trust a different gender, regardless of using the same trusted product-testing results and
          giving people accurate results about the use of a product.
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          • Profile picture of the author XRay
            Originally Posted by Michele Miller View Post

            I am in the male enhancement business amongst other niches and I use a pen name, a male pen name. All the information I provide is medically tried and tested and trusted information, but my alias is a male. I don't think I would be trusted with the same information coming from a female regardless of the "gender" angle.

            There will be people that don't agree with me of course, and probably some slam-back comments, but I am just trying to point out that there will always be subjects/products where people won't trust a different gender, regardless of using the same trusted product-testing results and giving people accurate results about the use of a product.
            I think this is an excellent example of why it is OK to adopt a different gender pen name. I don't think any man with issues about the size of his manhood would buy any pills, devices or exercise programs from a woman (unless the marketer was his girlfriend or wife). What the heck would a woman know about how a guy feels about something like that?

            @Branlan: I currently have a niche blog where my market is female and I post to it using a female pen name. I write all of my blog posts (they're pretty short ... in the 100 - 200 word range), but I outsource my articles that I need to have written to a woman. So depending on the niche, you might want to outsource your content creation to a woman. Best of luck to you.

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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
              Originally Posted by XRay View Post

              I think this is an excellent example of why it is OK to adopt a different gender pen name. I don't think any man with issues about the size of his manhood would buy any pills, devices or exercise programs from a woman (unless the marketer was his girlfriend or wife). What the heck would a woman know about how a guy feels about something like that?
              She doesn't... but she knows how SHE feels.

              "He just didn't satisfy me... I was even thinking about an affair... then I found xyz product. He took it and now he is the best lover I've ever had!"

              See where I'm going with this?

              Of course, that's not the only approach to take... but it could work.

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        • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
          Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

          Dennis,

          I'm speaking from experience. I haven't done the 10 000 split tests required to be 100% scientifically accurate; but I can tell you that I get paid a lot to write sales pages... and that I make my clients a lot of money.

          I've seen great things in markets like "weight loss" in which changing the author to a female (and editing some minor points in the copy to support that) nearly doubled sales. The sex market is similar as well.

          Bodybuilding niches work a lot better with men as the author.

          Having said that, both men and women are interested in all 3 of these subjects. But at the end of the day, we buy from people who we resonate with... and having the same gender often helps.

          EVERY niche depends on your gender, how you're perceived, and how you can use that perception. Some more than others, admittedly.

          You're welcome to your opinion but the fact of the matter is that perception matters, and gender is a part of that perception.

          No matter how we try and pretend otherwise we are a very prejudiced society, and a smart marketer will use that to his/her advantage rather than ignoring it.

          So when it comes to comments like: "I weigh what a person says based on their words, nothing else. Your words have value, or they don't."...

          ...you're not being completely honest.

          I'm not saying you're lying intentionally. But EVERYONE has some prejudice in some way, good or bad - and ignoring that it's there is naiive at best.

          -Dan
          Well said Dan...can't really add anything to that.
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          • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
            One thing that concerns me is trying to talk to the
            other sex and sounding like an idiot. A couple of posts
            talk about being able to figure out if a male or female
            wrote the copy.

            As a male, even if I talked to my wife for as much
            info as I could get, I still don't think I could sound
            female enough.

            I would rather partner with a female marketer and
            the two of us working this niche than trying to
            fool the female buyer.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

          So when it comes to comments like: "I weigh what a person says based on their words, nothing else. Your words have value, or they don't."...

          ...you're not being completely honest.

          I'm not saying you're lying intentionally. But EVERYONE has some prejudice in some way, good or bad - and ignoring that it's there is naiive at best.

          -Dan
          Daniel, I'm pretty sure I'm more of an authority on what influences me in regards to purchase decisions then you are, and gender is not one of them. You have no idea what goes on inside my head, so your assumption that you do says more about your thought processes than mine.

          I would have discussed some of your other points had you not chosen to presume you know my thought processes better than I, and in effect, called me a liar. Since you have this remarkable and rare ability to read minds and reconstruct a stranger's thought processes, I guess you know the rest of my thinking as well so I'll stop wasting your time and mine.

          I would remind you though...

          The OP said the niche is not gender specific.

          If the niche is neutral, then why resort to deception?

          By the way, I never said posing didn't work, so you saying "I'm welcome to my opinion" is inferring or projecting something I didn't say. I never said whether posing was right or wrong, and, in fact, the first sentence of my first post stated that I didn't know if it worked or not.
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Daniel, I'm pretty sure I'm more of an authority on what influences me in regards to purchase decisions then you are, and gender is not one of them. You have no idea what goes on inside my head, so your assumption that you do says more about your thought processes than mine.

            I would have discussed some of your other points had you not chosen to presume you know my thought processes and in effect, called me a liar. Since you have this remarkable and rare ability to read minds and reconstruct a strangers thought processes, I guess you know the rest of my thinking as well so I'll stop wasting your time and mine.

            I would remind you though...

            The OP said the niche is not gender specific.

            If the niche is neutral, then why resort to deception?
            Dennis,

            EVERYONE has prejudice.

            There's no shame in it, nor is there anything you can do about it.

            It just happens.

            If you want to ignore it, that's fine. And maybe you're the one person in the world who doesn't have any subconscious prejudice. But from a marketing standpoint, doing so makes no sense.

            My point is that NO niche is "gender neutral". How you position yourself in that niche and how you market your hook and USP will react how your market views you.

            Your gender, your sentence structure, your word choices, your photo (if you have one)... all these things can have a significant impact on your results.

            For the record, Dennis, I"m not trying to make a personal attack on you here.

            I'm just saying that in my time in this game I'm yet to meet a single person who isn't subconsciously swayed by stuff like that, even if they don't realize it.

            This stuff IS important. As marketers, we can either embrace it and learn from it... or ignore it.

            Your choice, but I know which option I take.

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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

              Dennis,

              EVERYONE has prejudice.

              There's no shame in it, nor is there anything you can do about it.
              Whether we all have prejudices or not isn't the issue. What the issue is, is that you have the audacity to presume you know what my prejudices are, and even had the gall to infer I'm either dishonest about it or that I don't know myself.

              I said gender wouldn't matter to me in a purchase decision about a jock itch cure. You can choose not to take my word for that if you like, but your belief doesn't change my reality.

              The reality is, if I've got a painful problem and someone has a solution to my problem, why the hell would I care if that someone is a man or woman? I want relief as fast as possible.

              I have never said posing didn't work. In fact, if you look back at the first sentence of my first post, I specifically said I didn't know. You saying I can choose to ignore the psychology of sales makes the assumption that I am ignoring it. Do you think I don't try to use psychological triggers in my sales copy, articles, and other places?

              Daniel, you seem like a decent fellow, but you keep making arguments based on your assumptions about me. You and I may draw the line at different places, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant about what lies beyond my side of the line.

              We know where my line is, so let me ask you about where you draw your line.

              Would you pretend to be a member of a specific race that you're not in order to sell to sell to that race if you thought it would increase sales? Would you pretend to be disabled to sell to disabled people if you thought it would increase sales? Would you pretend to be a war vet to sell to veterans if you thought it would increase sales? Would you pretend to be a Muslim to sell to Muslims if you thought it would increase sales?

              If you would do all that, then where do you draw the line, Daniel? If you wouldn't do any of those things, then explain how that is different from posing as a woman. Thanks.
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              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                Whether we all have prejudices or not isn't the issue. What the issue is, is that you have the audacity to presume you know what my prejudices are, and even had the gall to infer I'm either dishonest about it or that I don't know myself.

                I said gender wouldn't matter to me in a purchase decision about a jock itch cure. You can choose not to take my word for that if you like, but your belief doesn't change my reality.

                The reality is, if I've got a painful problem and someone has a solution to my problem, why the hell would I care if that someone is a man or woman? I want relief as fast as possible.
                The issue here is that there are varying degrees of sales resistance. If your problem is truly painful, then sure... I see your point.

                But most situations aren't like that. It's a prospect weighing up (subconsciously) the pain (and probable relief) vs. other factors in the sales resistance.

                If I'm selling (for instance) a solution to build muscle, I'm going to have more success doing it as a man than a woman. Largely because the market is mostly men and those men will RESONATE with a male avatar better than a female one.

                Sure, no matter how you market, you'll always get sales from people who NEED your stuff. But it's the people on the fence who matter, and most of the time you or anyone else is one of those people.

                Let me ask you about where you draw your line. I don't know anything about you, so for illustration purposes, I'm going to assume you're a Caucasian like I am.
                Correct.

                Given that...

                Would you pretend to be an African American to sell to African Americans if you thought it would increase sales? Would you pretend to be disabled to sell to disabled people if you thought it would increase sales? Would you pretend to be a war vet to sell to veterans if you thought it would increase sales? Would you pretend to be a Muslim to sell to Muslims if you thought it would increase sales?

                If you would do all that, then where do you draw the line, Daniel? If you wouldn't do any of those things, then explain how that is different from posing as a woman. Thanks.
                Each of these situations would be... well, situational. In other words, "it depends".

                I can tell you that in almost any case I wouldn't pretend to be disabled or a war vet. There's something about doing so that just doesn't jive with me. I know that's vague but my gut says "don't"... and I go with it.

                Can't really tell you why, though.

                Pretending to belong to a certain religion? Maybe, maybe not. Would depend on the reason for doing so... but generally I wouldn't pretend to be of another faith. That kind of seems like mocking someone's beleifs, to me... which isn't cool.

                Race? Maybe, but I'm having a hard time coming up with situations in which that would be a necessity. In my experience race isn't a big factor in copy, whereas word choice and gender is. However, if I was selling (for example) clothing or music, then yeah, I'd want to get the right type of people to help sell the image I want to project.

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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

                  The issue here is that there are varying degrees of sales resistance. If your problem is truly painful, then sure... I see your point.
                  Well, that was the example I originally gave and staked my words on, thank you.
                  It's a prospect weighing up (subconsciously) the pain (and probable relief) vs. other factors in the sales resistance.
                  I've never argued that, I don't necessarily disagree. Gender would not be a deciding factor for me, that's all.
                  If I'm selling (for instance) a solution to build muscle, I'm going to have more success doing it as a man than a woman. Largely because the market is mostly men and those men will RESONATE with a male avatar better than a female one.
                  If your targeting the product to men, I agree. If you're targeting women body builders, well...

                  I can tell you that in almost any case I wouldn't pretend to be disabled or a war vet. There's something about doing so that just doesn't jive with me. I know that's vague but my gut says "don't"... and I go with it.

                  Can't really tell you why, though.
                  I'm glad to see you would draw the line somewhere. We just choose different places.

                  It's been interesting. Take care.
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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    Wow. Harsh responses in assuming that I'm doing something underhanded by using a female alias when many of you in this thread likely...

    A) Use a fake name for your campaigns

    B) Say you've "been there" when reviewing a certain product, when really all you've done is read a review copy for marketing purposes.

    C) Use pyschological triggers in your "Ad copy", wording things a certain way to make an offer more appealing.

    D) All of the above.

    All of these are equally as "deceptive"... so that isn't really the question at hand.

    I thank you for all of the input, but the "holier than thou" and borderline personal attacks crap is very off putting to someone just looking for advice.


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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

      Wow. Harsh responses in assuming that I'm doing something underhanded by using a female alias when many of you in this thread likely...

      A) Use a fake name for your campaigns
      No one accused you of doing anything underhanded. In fact, I specifically said, "Whether it's right or wrong is up to each person's own moral code, I never said it was wrong, I simply said it didn't think it was a good business practice. There's a big difference."

      As for using fake names in campaigns, I've never done that. My name is part of my brand, or at least that's the end goal. Using fake names doesn't build a brand.

      B) Say you've "been there" when reviewing a certain product, when really all you've done is read a review copy for marketing purposes.
      I don't promote anything I haven't reviewed for myself. If I use it, I'll say so; if I don't, I say that too. You can go look at the latest issue of my newsletter if you want to verify that for yourself.
      C) Use pyschological triggers in your "Ad copy", wording things a certain way to make an offer more appealing.
      Yep, I do that. That's not deception unless you tell lies. There's nothing wrong with that at all.
      I thank you for all of the input, but the "holier than thou" and borderline personal attacks crap is very off putting to someone just looking for advice. - Brandon L
      No one attacked you that I saw, we just offered our opinions, just like you asked for. If it felt like an attack maybe you need to ask yourself why? If you only wanted opinions that you like, then you didn't really want our opinions after all.

      Maybe if you go back and read the posts in your kindest inner voice they'll feel different to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        No one accused you of doing anything underhanded. In fact, I specifically said, "Whether it's right or wrong is up to each person's own moral code, I never said it was wrong, I simply said it didn't think it was a good business practice. There's a big difference."

        As for using fake names in campaigns, I've never done that. My name is part of my brand, or at least that's the end goal. Using fake names doesn't build a brand.


        I don't promote anything I haven't reviewed for myself. If I use it, I'll say so; if I don't, I say that too. You can go look at the latest issue of my newsletter if you want to verify that for yourself.

        Yep, I do that. That's not deception unless you tell lies. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

        No one attacked you that I saw, we just offered our opinions, just like you asked for. If it felt like an attack maybe you need to ask yourself why? If you only wanted opinions that you like, then you didn't really want our opinions after all.

        Maybe if you go back and read the posts in your kindest inner voice they'll feel different to you.
        I think Dennis gives you a heads up. If you read my post, I simply
        said I didn't want to look like an idiot, and that for my marketing,
        I would rather partner with the opposite sex.

        I think my success would be greater. If you do as Dennis asked,
        I think you will see we gave you opinions just as you asked for.
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    • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
      Create 2 campaigns. One as a woman and one as a man. Test it. Done.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Hi guys

    it depends on the niche that you are working in for example i would always use on in some of the following niches

    baby/pregnancy
    wedding
    cooking
    female health

    just in the same sense that if i was working in the sports niche i would use a blokes name

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    • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
      I'd go as far as to say there's one very regular Warrior female that isn't all "she" is cracked up to be...

      I'd say for the right things, being a woman would have its advantages, and for other things being a man would be.

      (won't go into the cooking and cleaning jokes here, lol... Just a joke girls!)
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

    Has anyone out there found that a female name generates more trust and success in campaigns than a male one? The niche I'm about to go after isn't a gender specific one but I'm just wondering if writing in the voice of a female might result in a more trusting demeanor when I get around to suggesting my affiliate product.


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    Of course it does. If you look at females on internet marketing forums, most of them have substantially more thanks. It's not really about trust I think. It's about sticking up a picture of a model and getting desperate guys chatting you up, giving free advice and stuff like that.

    This is a really lame move but I've seen it work on numerous times.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      i'm sure the powers that be, err, mods, around here, feel differently.
      Faster than an urban myth. More powerful than a wrong assumption. Able to leap to tall conclusions in a single bound...

      In short: Bzzzzt! Thanks for playing.

      There is a thing in the law called material misrepresentation of fact. (Key word: material) That is the standard that should be applied to questions like this. Look it up, and you'll have all the answer you want from the mods perspective.

      If I'm selling golf clubs and tell people about my (non-existent) 3 kids, that's probably not material. If I'm selling cookware and tell people I'm a woman, most likely also not material. If I'm selling a PMS treatment and talk about how well it worked for me (beat that manslaughter charge!), that is probably material.

      If you're promoting a dating site as a CPA offer and you pretend you're a woman looking to meet the prospect, that is almost certainly material misrepresentation.

      Reminder: I am not a lawyer. Just an ex-copywriter who had to know enough about this stuff to discuss it intelligently with those who were.


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      • Profile picture of the author atvking
        i read somewhere that 70-80% of the money on the net is spent by females?...not sure if this is true or not but if it is true you stand a better chance of creating "congruence" by posing as a female...

        being scammy/dishonest is one thing but providing good and valuable expert info and just changing your gender for conversion sake is not underhand IMO...

        a really good example is bodybuilding products...i really know a lot about this and in my "expert" opinion: good luck trying to sell a BB product as a woman to a male audience...this niche is very very prejudiced ...also a man selling fitness and BB products to a female audience is also bound to have less conversions simply because women have extreme prejudice against looking like "muscular land monsters" like some of the male BB authors...

        i dont mean to insult the BB folks but the average "IQ" is generally lower than in the IM crowd...sure the high IQ BB folks may not care whether their info comes from a male or a female but this is only a small portion of the market...the average joe or jane do not feel this way...even i would feel odd taking advice from a female on BB/diet/workouts...no disrespect to women i just cant pick what i feel: it is what it is...

        another thing...i come from an "unpopular" 3rd world country...if i used my real name and info this would simply reflect negatively on my product...it would make me seem like less of an expert in the field than somebody who is from the USA or EU...prejudice is everywhere on the internet...

        another thing..my real name is "Aleksa" this is an ancient biblical name meaning "Protector" or "Brave" but in some EU and mostly in the USA its a girls name...using my real name in the BB scene is financial suicide to say the least...so i use "Alex"...

        in my opinion if you offer good honest information you should be able to call yourself what you wish it should make no difference to the buyer and if he/she is happy with the product this is all that should matter...

        whether this is "legal" or not i dont know...what i do know is: i cant afford to use my real name,nationality and even gender for some of my products...
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Faster than an urban myth. More powerful than a wrong assumption. Able to leap to tall conclusions in a single bound...

        In short: Bzzzzt! Thanks for playing.

        There is a thing in the law called material misrepresentation of fact. (Key word: material) That is the standard that should be applied to questions like this. Look it up, and you'll have all the answer you want from the mods perspective.
        That's why one should be careful about making 1st person claims about products, period. It's the safest solution all around. Whether you use your own real persona or not, you shouldn't say that you used a product that you didn't. That has absolutely nothing about whether you use a male persona, female persona, transgender persona, martian persona, or whatever.

        As for looking it up, well, it was pretty well ingrained after 3 years of law school and passing bar exams in 2 states. But hey, I guess they teach law in other places too. Being able to quote a legal term here and there does not mean one actually understands the law.
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  • Profile picture of the author richgrad
    I seen some people do it... in the dating niche... I think it's that guy gets girl website...
    It's obvious that's a fake alias

    Not something I'd do because I just can't get pass the thinking that posing as a girl to sell something equals cheating
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