Google Keyword Matching - Confused..

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Hi. There are two things that i don't understand concerning the way in which google calculates number of searches that the users do:

1) First off - what is the difference between "phrase matching" and "exact matching". I know that "broad matching" stands for the number of searches of keywords that are base of others (ig. keyword "weight loss" in broad matching would count keywords with wider variations like "weight loss fast" and so on), but how does it work with phrase and exact matching? I read some definitions on Google Help but they're not clear. What they say is that phrase matching "Allows your ad to show for searches that match the exact phrase " meanwhile the exact matching "Allows your ad to show for searches that match the exact phrase exclusively" - i have no idea what's the difference between those two.

2) Now a little different question. If i let's say, try to rank for keyword "how to lose weight really fast". And let's say i include that phrase 3 times in my article. In that circumstance - how many keywords the googlebot would see? Only the whole phrase, which is "how to lose weight really fast", or meybe would count "lose weight" ; "how to lose weight" and "lose weight really fast" as additional keywords? How does it work?

Lastly: when i pick a domain, for example 'bestwaytobuildmuscle.com' , if i get instead 'bestwaytobuildmuscles.com', for google i would rank for 1 keyword (...muscles) or for both muscle and muscles?

PS
sry for my english.

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EDIT
Sorry i have one more question, unrelated to the topic but it's not worth creating a new one: if i have a website, that i created in recent past that is poorly search engine optimized, and i go now and tweak that page to make it more search engine friendly, will Googlebot spot that? Does the googlebot (if this is known) has a cached version of my website and makes a comparision to see the changes, and it says like: " hm, this guy increased his some_keyword density of 2,3%, changed the urls of his pages to match keywords better, deleted some duplicate content and (...) " ? Because i recently learned some tricks to help on-site seo, but i don't know if it won't hurt my website even more if i now apply them.

THANKS
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  • Profile picture of the author JonMills
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisGuthrie
    Originally Posted by Juraviel View Post

    Hi. There are two things that i don't understand concerning the way in which google calculates number of searches that the users do:

    1) First off - what is the difference between "phrase matching" and "exact matching". I know that "broad matching" stands for the number of searches of keywords that are base of others (ig. keyword "weight loss" in broad matching would count keywords with wider variations like "weight loss fast" and so on), but how does it work with phrase and exact matching? I read some definitions on Google Help but they're not clear. What they say is that phrase matching "Allows your ad to show for searches that match the exact phrase " meanwhile the exact matching "Allows your ad to show for searches that match the exact phrase exclusively" - i have no idea what's the difference between those two.
    1. Exact match is the number of people that search that exact phrase. i.e. just "weight loss"

    Originally Posted by Juraviel View Post

    2) Now a little different question. If i let's say, try to rank for keyword "how to lose weight really fast". And let's say i include that phrase 3 times in my article. In that circumstance - how many keywords the googlebot would see? Only the whole phrase, which is "how to lose weight really fast", or meybe would count "lose weight" ; "how to lose weight" and "lose weight really fast" as additional keywords? How does it work?

    Lastly: when i pick a domain, for example 'bestwaytobuildmuscle.com' , if i get instead 'bestwaytobuildmuscles.com', for google i would rank for 1 keyword (...muscles) or for both muscle and muscles?
    2. Yes you would have a better chance of ranking for "best way to build muscles" with that domain over the singular form of the phrase... but link building / ranking is a whole different conversation all together.

    I didn't understand your last question so I left it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Juraviel
    Yea i know it's average, but that's not what i was asking for
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    I was confused, too. Especially when they wouldn't let me use the kw tool without and adwords account. And it cost me $5. It was in little print at the bottom of the billing page. Still haven't found the tool, and I don't want to do ppc. Google has me angry right now. GRRRRRR...
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  • Profile picture of the author Juraviel
    I see i wasn't clear enough.

    1. Exact match is the number of people that search that exact phrase. i.e. just "weight loss"
    That's what i didn't understand. If that's the case, then what "phrase matching" indicates?

    To be more specific:
    Broad: "lose weight" = "lose weight fast", "lose weight now", "lose weight very quickly" (...)"

    Exact: "lose weight in two weeks" = "lose weight in two weeks"

    Phrase: ?????

    I hope that illustrates better what's on my mind.

    2. Yes you would have a better chance of ranking for "best way to build muscles" with that domain over the singular form of the phrase... but link building / ranking is a whole different conversation all together.
    Again seems i wasn't clear enough.

    If i get a domain "panicattacktreatments.com" (plural) instead of "panicattacktreatment.com" (singular), will Google rank my website for both "panic attack treatment" AND "panick attack treatments", or only for the second version?

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    Also to answer your third question (just re read it) yes you can alter a page and Google may rank it higher (or lower) based on your changes.
    What i had in mind is if googlebot will punish me for such modifications (since SEO isn't encouraged by google), if it sees that i made some efforts in order to improve my rankings (i dont know how intelligent it is, but if it sees for example that i changed urls and some keywords but didn't add much content.. and so on).
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisGuthrie
      Originally Posted by Juraviel View Post

      I see i wasn't clear enough.

      That's what i didn't understand. If that's the case, then what "phrase matching" indicates?

      To be more specific:
      Broad: "lose weight" = "lose weight fast", "lose weight now", "lose weight very quickly" (...)"

      Exact: "lose weight in two weeks" = "lose weight in two weeks"

      Phrase: ?????

      I hope that illustrates better what's on my mind.

      Again seems i wasn't clear enough.

      If i get a domain "panicattacktreatments.com" (plural) instead of "panicattacktreatment.com" (singular), will Google rank my website for both "panic attack treatment" AND "panick attack treatments", or only for the second version?

      //
      What i had in mind is if googlebot will punish me for such modifications (since SEO isn't encouraged by google), if it sees that i made some efforts in order to improve my rankings (i dont know how intelligent it is, but if it sees for example that i changed urls and some keywords but didn't add much content.. and so on).
      Unsure on phrase... but it doesn't matter. Exact is the only one you should be looking at anyway. You will have a better shot at ranking for second version - not first.

      You can do plenty of on page SEO optimization in an effort to improve your rankings, but quality links to your website will always trump on page SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Juraviel
    OK, thanks, and.. the rest of stuff i asked ? the topic is already on page 3..
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