HOW IS THIS LEGAL? Someone selling OUR products to their Golden Members.

skorpion

14 years ago

If anyone wants me to post the link, I will.

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Daniel Rickfold 14 years ago

Originally Posted by skorpion

If anyone wants me to post the link, I will.

Search the internet for a fancy cease and desist letter. Find one really scary and intimidating.

Look on domain whois and see if you can find out his real name & address and mail the fancy letter to his house.

If you can't find his address either find it another way, try to be sneaky, or contact the domain provider, hosting provider, etc.
If that still fails then you can probably email him the letter but it wouldn't have the same effect as a real physical letter with big red letters CEASE & DESIST then a butcher knife next to it.

Okay maybe not a butcher knife on the letter. But you get my point. Something scary
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Pete Egeler

14 years ago

The only thing I can say to do is contact the owner and advise him to immediately pull your product, that he does NOT have the right to provide it free, or any other way to his members.

It that doesn't work, get a lawyer.

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Floyd Fisher

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Pete Egeler

The only thing I can say to do is contact the owner and advise him to immediately pull your product, that he does NOT have the right to provide it free, or any other way to his members.

It that doesn't work, get a lawyer.

Pete

No need for lawyers, just burn them to the ground yourself. Here's how:

1. File a DMCA notice with the hosting company asap.

2. Contact the major search engines, and file a DMCA notice, requesting a de-listing of the website in their search engine.

3. Figure out where their domain name is hosted, and file a DMCA requesting revocation of the domain name in question.

If the hosting company/domain name company does not shut them down, the search engines will de-list them, which effectively decapitates their ability to get traffic. If they are using PPC, that will get shut down also.

Below is a complete list of everyone you can contact about this (not all apply to your situation, look under hosting, domain names, and search engines):

DMCA Contacts | PlagiarismToday

Plagiarism Today also has examples of DMCA notices you can boilerplate as necessary.

You should also contact the merchant account, and get that shut down because the business they are running is absolutely illegal.

Keep me posted as to how the war goes.

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hjalte81

14 years ago

Yeah... contact the owner. but seriously... I don't think there's anything we can do to stop this. That's just the way it is...

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Janet Sawyer 14 years ago

Originally Posted by hjalte81

Yeah... contact the owner. but seriously... I don't think there's anything we can do to stop this. That's just the way it is...

That's not acceptable! To say that's just the way it is

There are ways to stop this, and as many of us that can help prevent it the better. Wait until someone does it to you and I'll bet you will feel differently.

I'd rather give my stuff away for free to a worthy person than have someone steal it from me and profit from it.

These kind of people need dealing with, and putting out of business. Because, they don't have their own business, they profit off yours.

Even Microsoft have this problem, but that doesn't make it right.
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E. Brian Rose

14 years ago

Originally Posted by hjalte81

Yeah... contact the owner. but seriously... I don't think there's anything we can do to stop this. That's just the way it is...

We have a legal system set up in this country for this. Saying "that's just the way it is" is like waiving a flag that tells crooks to rob you.

Here's what I would do. Do a Whois lookup and find out who the owner is. Send a casual letter to him stating your interest in joining his site and ask how many people are downloading the products. If he gives you a large answer, that could be used to help determine your damages.

You should now talk to a lawyer and have all the info laid out, i.e. printouts of your site, his site, whatever is relevant. Ask him how you should proceed. At the very least, he will advise you to send a cease and desist letter. At most, he will advise filing suit.

If you are strapped for cash and can't afford a lawyer, you should look into filing pro se'. There are a lot of sample cases on th web that you can use as a template. The beauty about being a pro se litigant is that you have the ability to file a lot of motions, without abusing the system, and they won't cost you anything. The defendant, on the other hand, will have to dish out money every time you file a motion. This sometimes leads to a quick settlement.

Another way to go is to find out who else he is stealing from. He may be stealing from somebody that has deep pockets and will be willing to take you along in a suit.

Don't just sit back and take the "this is the way it is" attitude. Stealing is a crime and criminals should be made to pay.

And by all means... post the link!

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Daniel Brock

14 years ago

But he is right...

Chances are this guy is in some foreign country will you have no way to legally go after him.

I know the site you are talking about...and it is pretty aggravating that they can do that to you.

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E. Brian Rose

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

I know the site you are talking about....

Well, what is it? Post a link and expose them. There are a lot of WSO sellers that would want to know if their product was also on there.

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la dominatrix 14 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

Well, what is it? Post a link and expose them. There are a lot of WSO sellers that would want to know if their product was also on there.

If there is one WSO being ripped off then there are far more likely and a multiple complaint will be sufficient to have the site pulled and also lose their Paypal addy.
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Janet Sawyer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

Well, what is it? Post a link and expose them. There are a lot of WSO sellers that would want to know if their product was also on there.

Totally against the rules.
So don't do it or your user account will be banned.

However, you could pm people who have replied to this thread with the details if they simply said please pm me the detials.

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E. Brian Rose

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer

Totally against the rules.
So don't do it or your user account will be banned.

However, you could pm people who have replied to this thread with the details if they simply said please pm me the detials.

Thanks for the heads up. With that being said... I would love it if someone were to PM me the link.

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Daniel Brock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

Well, what is it? Post a link and expose them. There are a lot of WSO sellers that would want to know if their product was also on there.

Can't do that or the thread will be removed.

I'd rather that the thread stay active so at least WSO sellers will have some idea that they are getting ripped off.

Hint for anyone selling WSOs. Check your access logs for referrals. The offending site will show up in there eventually as the site in question uses live links so members can easily steal your products...
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Bill Farnham 14 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

Well, what is it? Post a link and expose them.

You mean post a link and give them free advertising and link juice?

Is that what you mean by Internet Marketing Strategies (for Losers)...?

Just kidding...

See Janets' post for the real story.

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Floyd Fisher

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

But he is right...

Chances are this guy is in some foreign country will you have no way to legally go after him.

I know the site you are talking about...and it is pretty aggravating that they can do that to you.

That's why you contact search engines, and use the DMCA to get them de-listed.

Since all the major search players are US based, should work like a charm.

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Floyd Fisher 14 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

And by all means... post the link!

You do this, and you will get banned for posting a warez link.

Think about it.
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  Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher
  
  You do this, and you will get banned for posting a warez link.
  
  Think about it.
  
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Raydal

14 years ago

There was another thread recently of a site that selling other
WSO's and I know Warriors were able to contact the hosting
company and get the site pulled. I think you should be able
to do the same if you get enough people to complain to the
host and also the payment company. Paypal?

It's strange that you were able to get in.

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rosetrees 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

There was another thread recently of a site that selling other
WSO's and I know Warriors were able to contact the hosting
company and get the site pulled.

I found my WSO uploaded as a freebie (a client told me) just a few days ago. I found out who the host was and send a Cease and Desist email from this site
http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/stock-letters/

The host immediately issued a C&D notice to the web owner - who removed the content.

I live in the UK, the host is in the US and the site is based in the Phillippines.
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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

I can assume then that you did NOT sell this with any type of "resell rights"? If not, then he can't give it away.

Sometimes a simple "Cease and Desist" letter from your lawyer is enough.

It is difficult on the internet to protect your stuff. But like Janet says...it is unacceptable. If you have an attorney, I suggest asking for their advice. Much as I hate to say it - even THEY may advise you to drop it - depending on the value and how much it may cost you.

Some advice on the product creation side...

Any product you create that you do NOT want people to give away, load it up with links to your sites, and include a warning message stating that it may ONLY be legally purchased from your site and that anyone else selling it or giving it away is doing so illegally (or something like that). It probably won't SOLVE the issue - but it will help keep honest people honest.

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Originally Posted by skorpion

With the successful launch of my latest WSO, I was searching the web and came across another website which is giving away a copy of my WSO (along with many others) to their "Golden Members".

There was a "Request" thread where someone was requesting a copy of my WSO if any other members had it. I created an account and simply said "I have a copy" just to see what they'd say...soon the owner of this website states that it "is available to Gold Members".

He is giving my product away to his members and charging for it!

So my question is this: How the hell can these guys have the right to just give away my product..or anyone else's for that matter...to their members and on top of that, ask a Fee for it?

What can we do to stop this? (It's not BHW)

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mr2monster

14 years ago

Contact his domain registrar and host with a DCMA and they'll take his site down most likely.

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Charles Washington

14 years ago

Who cares. The way I see it, those people who want my product without paying for it are NOT my customers.

Think about it, if they are too cheap to pay for a WSO, they are also to unstable to actually follow through with anything your product says.

If some one wants to steal my products, I am fine with it. Honestly, I am not losing a dime. None of those peopple would have purchased anyway.

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mr2monster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery

Who cares. The way I see it, those people who want my product without paying for it are NOT my customers.

Think about it, if they are too cheap to pay for a WSO, they are also to unstable to actually follow through with anything your product says.

If some one wants to steal my products, I am fine with it. Honestly, I am not losing a dime. None of those peopple would have purchased anyway.

That's the problem... They ARE paying for it... they're just paying HIM for a "Gold Membership" and not paying YOU for your product.

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Andrew11

14 years ago

This happens a lot to be honest I think you need some form of copyright for your future endeavors..It sucks but there is a huge market for black hat and illegal internet endeavors.

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E. Brian Rose 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrew11

...I think you need some form of copyright for your future endeavors..

As of March 1, 1989 there is no need to secure "some form of copyright". All works are copyrighted upon creation. You have the same legal protection as somebody that filed their work with the government.
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- Nick Brighton 14 years ago
  
  Prevention is better than cure. I have 2 preventative solutions for you...
  
  1. Fragment your product
  
  When people read your PDF, they need to visit a webpage on your site, or sign up to your newsletter (aka register their product) in order to get the bonuses, or a certain element of your product.
  
  Sure, THAT stuff can get ripped off too, but it's one extra step that a multiple product thief is likely to miss or skip.
  
  What to fragment?
  
  A video, a spreadsheet, a bonus, a quick start guide, case studies, examples, tools, software, other incentives that go hand in hand with the product.
  
  Heck, even just updates and extra support when you register.
  
  Or if you really want to catch them out, create content which can't be ripped off, which the reader will have to access your site to get.
  
  This could be a video that is encoded to prevent downloading (yes, it's possible).
  
  Or it could be a large PDF formatted webpage on a hidden folder on your site, which is locked from being copied (yes, it is possible. You can have messages pop up that, when you right click your mouse to copy and paste, it says "This is copyright material")
  
  And here's another method:
  
  2. BRANDING
  
  It's a lot harder to call a pair of Nike's your own make of trainer, when their logo is weaved into the material.
  
  But how do you do this with digital products?
  
  You weave your own urls, brand name, personal name, websites into the report, from top to bottom. You make regular references to the owner (you), and give examples of your sites.
  
  You talk about yourself in the intro, and outro of the book. You put in chunks of content which simply cannot be edited or removed without rendering the entire book useless, or at least, illegible and confusing without it.
  
  It's not hard to do, really it's not.
  
  The result? People realize they've bought a counterfeit. And you stand a chance of them reporting it to you. You also increase the chances of them clicking links, or searching for your sites or name on Google...meaning the worst case scenario, is this bozo is at least giving you free advertising.
  
  Branding is a wonderful thing, which goes a long way it preventing copyright issues.
  
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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Go to Whois.net and find out the registration details. Chances are the site owner is in a foreign country, but check it out to be sure. Then go to Who-hosts.com and find out who the host is. Report the site to the host. Find out who their payment processor is and report the site to them.

Those are the quick things you can do. Sometimes that's enough to get the site taken down. They'll start up somewhere else but it slows them down and puts a crimp in their operations. If it's a US site you can do more, but I doubt it is.

Do not post the link here. PM it to people if they ask, if you want, but posting the link just gives the site more publicity.

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TimGross

14 years ago

It never hurts to have a very, very blatant copyright theft warning on one of your first pages, something like:

"This product is ONLY available for sale from (YourSite.com), if you have received it from anyone else, they are violating copyright law and you have received this product illegally.

Please notify me at report@ (youremailaddress.com) where (or from who) you received this. We prosecute copyright theft to the fullest extent of the law and greatly appreciate your help. Upon successful litigation against the offender, we pay rewards to whoever first notified us.

It goes without saying that if you received this from some other marketer in any form (whether as a bonus or bundled with other products) that they are a criminal who should not be trusted. If you paid money for this as part of some package of materials from an illegal source, I urge you to demand a refund from them.

...It will at least make some people think twice. It won't stop any blind file sharing, but it should limit people trying to make money from it at least.

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E. Brian Rose

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimGross

It never hurts to have a very, very blatant copyright theft warning on one of your first pages, something like:

"This product is ONLY available for sale from (YourSite.com), if you have received it from anyone else, they are violating copyright law and you have received this product illegally.

Please notify me at report@ (youremailaddress.com) where (or from who) you received this. We prosecute copyright theft to the fullest extent of the law and greatly appreciate your help. Upon successful litigation against the offender, we pay rewards to whoever first notified us.

It goes without saying that if you received this from some other marketer in any form (whether as a bonus or bundled with other products) that they are a criminal who should not be trusted. If you paid money for this as part of some package of materials from an illegal source, I urge you to demand a refund from them.

...It will at least make some people think twice. It won't stop any blind file sharing, but it should limit people trying to make money from it at least.

I absolutely agree with this! It may not stop the site from stealing it and giving it to their members, but it will make it known to the members that they are dealing with dishonest people.

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skorpion

14 years ago

I had the copyright notice all over my product. I am going to contact the host...he has some pretty big name marketers products and popular products:

Dan Kennedy just to name one off the top of my head.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by skorpion

I had the copyright notice all over my product.

Yeah, but if you just have a "(C) Copyright Skorpion, All Rights Reserved", that doesn't automatically indicate that you didn't sell resell rights to someone who then bundled it with their other products.

The type of explicit copyright I posted above is the only way for someone receiving your product to really know they've received it illegally, it removes any possible assumptions or benefits of the doubt. Again, it won't stop free file sharers, but it could stop people trying to profit from it.

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skorpion

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimGross

Yeah, but if you just have a "(C) Copyright Skorpion, All Rights Reserved", that doesn't automatically indicate that you didn't sell resell rights to someone who then bundled it with their other products.

The type of explicit copyright I posted above is the only way for someone receiving your product to really know they've received it illegally, it removes any possible assumptions or benefits of the doubt. Again, it won't stop free file sharers, but it could stop people trying to profit from it.

Here is what I had:

PERSONAL USE ONLY

THEFT & ILLEGAL DISTRIBUTION OF THIS COURSE OR ANY OTHER PART OF LOCAL FLIP FORMULA
WITHOUT WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THE AUTHOR IS ILLEGAL & WILL BE DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY!

I also heavily branded every part of this product. I was expecting something like this to happen...now it did and I'm a little mad lol

All in all, if they are cheap enough to steal it, then they are not my ideal customers. They will never put the materials into action, instead they will move onto the next Free download and continue to slave away in their day jobs...or live in their parent's basements.

The part that makes me mad the most is that the owner of the site is charging to give access to OTHER MARKETER'S products!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by skorpion

PERSONAL USE ONLY

THEFT & ILLEGAL DISTRIBUTION OF THIS COURSE OR ANY OTHER PART OF LOCAL FLIP FORMULA
WITHOUT WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THE AUTHOR IS ILLEGAL & WILL BE DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY!

Again, it's too late now so this is just food for thought for future products, but that copyright you listed above warns what a customer can and can't do with the material, that's absolutely clear.

What it doesn't do is make it absolutely clear to the person who has received it to know whether they received it illegally. Again, for all they know, you sold resell rights to whoever they got it from. They understand that they can't distribute it, but they don't necessarily understand that whoever gave it to them already broke copyright law.

That's why listing your website where you're selling it and saying it's the ONLY legal place to get it helps to make it crystal clear.

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Zeus66

14 years ago

Don't you watch movies? Hire an assassin. Duh.

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Originally Posted by Zeus66

Don't you watch movies? Hire an assassin. Duh.

So you're saying to outsource it eh?
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skorpion

14 years ago

OK, the who is record says the owner is in New Jersey! But I wonder if its a fake address. Can I post the host here without being banned?

NJ is a few hrs from me, hmmmm.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by skorpion

OK, the who is record says the owner is in New Jersey! But I wonder if its a fake address. Can I post the host here without being banned?

NJ is a few hrs from me, hmmmm.

Google the exact address. I'll bet it does not exist.

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skorpion

14 years ago

Here are a few more things he has available for download:

Frank Kern - List Control, Crowd Control..he's got everything.

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Originally Posted by skorpion

Here are a few more things he has available for download:

Frank Kern - List Control, Crowd Control..he's got everything.

Does Frank Kern know about this? I wonder what action he would take. He's got the clout to get himself some big-time lawyers I bet.
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  Originally Posted by Hanz
  
  Does Frank Kern know about this? I wonder what action he would take. He's got the clout to get himself some big-time lawyers I bet.
  
  Pretty sure that he wouldn't really do much. He already made his cash off the product and doesn't tend to re-release his products to the marketplace.
  
  On top of this, I doubt that the dude has the whole course, and he definitely can't have some of the stuff that hasn't even been delivered yet.
  
  I have a sneaking suspicion that piracy is one of the larger reasons that the big guru's like Kern and Reese do product launches the way they do.
  
  It's almost impossible for pirates to get their hands on the material until AFTER they've managed to make a KILLING launching their product. And at that point, they've already been paid... so what does it matter.
  
  And once they launch it, they only have to support those that bought it from them, which takes some of the appeal away from pirates as they'll never have the "whole" course. They'll never get the seminars and the live calls... or if they do, they'll have to wait for a very long time for them, at which point the competitive edge has been realized by the people that bought and applied the knowledge.
  
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mikemcmillan

14 years ago

Personally, if he were less than 200 miles from me, I'd drive over to his place and pay him a visit. If I could get face to face with him... it wouldn't be pretty, I can tell you that. I'm not advocating you do what I would, but have no use whatsoever for scumbags who do this stuff.

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getsmartt

14 years ago

Look...people do care that their stuff is distributed by pirates! Most do not care enough to sink the money into a legal battle that they are not likely recover.

Most consider the fact that the people frequenting these sites were highly unlikely to ever purchase the product to begin with.

If there was a formal body like the Motion Picture Association for IM that had unlimited funds, time and lawyers to tackle this issue, it might actually make a small dent in the amount of pirated material.

All-in-all the pirates will always be there and some people will always get their products for free. Are they thieves, you bet your ASS they are. Can we eliminate them...not bloody likely.

The best you can do is to stop telling new people about the sites! Almost every post on the Warrior forum is quickly indexed by Google. Some immature pirate wannabe goes searching for pirated IM products and finds a post on the Warrior Forum that warns everyone that there is pirated software over at *HW....

How long do you think it is going to take them to figure out where to go?

OK rant over...please return to your normally scheduled program

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Daniel Rickfold 14 years ago

Originally Posted by getsmartt

Most consider the fact that the people frequenting these sites were highly unlikely to ever purchase the product to begin with.

yeah but he said that they were selling his product for $ not free...
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getsmartt

14 years ago

Heck i could name a few posting wso there and they bought it here.

sure open a PM to the help Desk or a Mod and they will handle the situation.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

All the talk about copyright notices...these people don't care. The owner and his/her customers both know what they're doing is illegal, they just don't think it's wrong.

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orlando cassara

14 years ago

I agree that you should contact the owner and let him know what he is doing isn't right, and that he shouldn't do this to any more products that aren't his.

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skorpion

14 years ago

Well, I contacted the owner. He has now locked the thread that has my product being shared and said he would make sure none of his members talk about it.

I was prepared to take legal action...my brother in law is an attorney and he was willing to help me out if it came down to it. I barely ever talk to him but I called him tonight lol

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Hanz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by skorpion

Well, I contacted the owner. He has now locked the thread that has my product being shared and said he would make sure none of his members talk about it.

I was prepared to take legal action...my brother in law is an attorney and he was willing to help me out if it came down to it. I barely ever talk to him but I called him tonight lol

What about damages? Money lost? He should pay you for every single copy that was sold on that site. Only in a perfect world I guess.

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Hanz

14 years ago

skorpion, how about locking your WSOs and having them only accessible with a very special password?
Each WSO should have its own special password for each respective buyer. And the password could be about 800 characters with numbers and letters.

That ought to help!

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Nick Brighton

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Hanz

skorpion, how about locking your WSOs and having them only accessible with a very special password?
Each WSO should have its own special password for each respective buyer. And the password could be about 800 characters with numbers and letters.

That ought to help!

Nope, it won't.

The thief only needs to buy it once, and the damage is done. It has nothing to do with password protection or similar. You can't stop what is happening here by putting steps in front of the buying process.

That's why you can only really do damage limitation, such as the methods I previously suggested earlier in this thread, along with other suggestions re: copyright notices etc.

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Hanz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Nope, it won't.

The thief only needs to buy it once, and the damage is done. It has nothing to do with password protection or similar. You can't stop what is happening here by putting steps in front of the buying process.

That's why you can only really do damage limitation, such as the methods I previously suggested earlier in this thread, along with other suggestions re: copyright notices etc.

Ah well. I guess sending 'Commando' to the owner's address is the next best thing as paulbarrs suggested.

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Kim Meridian

14 years ago

Skorpion and everyone in this thread:

As an outsourcing service owner, I deal with this issue everyday...and I have a solution that alerts me immediately when an outsourcer shares files and confidential pre-launch plans without my permission...and tells me where they are (Google Maps) with reasonable accuracy. And then they get fired, obviously.

But it's another idea for you. I was going to release this tip in my upcoming WSO about overcoming outsourcing obstacles, but I will tell everyone in this thread (to this point) if you PM me, as a way of giving back to the WF.

I'll give you the real URL, not an aff link.

Oh, and when it notifies you, it has a legal timestamp on it to document the time of various actions taken.

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Dalun

14 years ago

i agree with everyone, that you should contact the site owner and find a solution or if not, then lay down some pressure

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Christian York

14 years ago

It's not legal and it's incredibility annoying.

However with the internet being so enormous there is always going to be people trying to rip you off. Just use some of the suggestions others have mentioned in this thread to try and protect the download page but other than that you just have to let it go.

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Aj Wilson

14 years ago

That sucks.

I know this is not what you want to hear,
but maybe you can try moving forward despite how bad things look at the moment?

Put it this way...

1. You could either get all worked up about it
and chase this guy round in circles for nothing.

2. You could move on, and with your next product,
create it as if it was going to be shared anyway...

Therefore if it does get shared,
you can back-end or affiliate comm the hell out of it.

and monetize it if it does get shared.

coz at the end of the day, you cant stop the sharing,
that's what the internet is all about.

However, with your next product, you might want to look at
"Software Wrapping", thats creating your products in software form
where the user has to register for usage, etc.

crappy news, but
all the best anyway buddy.

- aj

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TrafficMystic

14 years ago

I've found a few of these and have had to issues copyright notices to places like rapidshare and mediafire who seem to remove the links pretty quickly. I now have a google alerts setup for my keywords in my software etc to pick up any shares..

If I find a site I normally go through an get a list of those wso's and pm the owners the links so they can get their stuff removed..

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Underground SEO

14 years ago

this problem is so large there really is no way to easily tackle it. There are hundreds of websites listing people's WSOs for download. Issuing a DCMA notice will only hinder them, but the problem will still persist. Also going down the legal route really isn't going to be economically viable espec when some WSOs cost a few bucks. Also, I don't imagine a case going to court over a WSO. Don't want to put a downer on the thread but this problem is really really huge.

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

I know this doesn't solve the problem presented, but there is obviously a reason that many of the A list marketers are now delivering product in a live setting.

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JayXtreme 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

many of the A list marketers are now delivering product in a live setting.

?... A list?.. I'm confused. Is there a B list also?

I think somebody has been reading too much Perez Hilton recently...lolz
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  Originally Posted by JayXtreme
  
  ?... A list?.. I'm confused. Is there a B list also?
  
  I think somebody has been reading too much Perez Hilton recently...lolz
  
  Well, actually, I am not a fan of the term "guru", so it's an alternate way to describe professionals that are at the top of their game.
  
  Not all that big of a fan of Hollywood, sorry.
  
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Whosyou

14 years ago

The net is full of Pirates, Just look the music & film industries.

If you sell a downloadable digital product online you'r product WILL be pirated.

Even if you do get this site to remove your product, there are probably 10 more out there giving your product away too.

The time and effort you could waste persuing these people could be better spent.

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Scott Ames

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Whosyou

The net is full of Pirates, Just look the music & film industries.

If you sell a downloadable digital product online you'r product WILL be pirated.

Even if you do get this site to remove your product, there are probably 10 more out there giving your product away too.

The time and effort you could waste persuing these people could be better spent.

Nobody ever wants to pirate my products.

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Bicycle Cat

14 years ago

That's an unfortunate side effect to the freedom of the Internet.

Glad you're making progress with the party responsible.

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Mokai

14 years ago

send him some kind of cease and decist letter make it look legal to scare him!

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Shaun Lee

14 years ago

Think of it this way. If the "Golden Members" like your product, you could very well gain a new customer.

To quote Tony Stark in Iron Man,

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Could be worse, could be worse!

Everything could be worse than how it is now.

Instead of feeling unhappy, feel the other way. Feel lucky because it could be worse.

-Shaun

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Black Hat Cat Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Shaun Lee

Think of it this way. If the "Golden Members" like your product, you could very well gain a new customer.

-Shaun

Just what everyone needs...customers who don't pay for products.
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Daniel Brock

14 years ago

On a side note, our vip******.org friends site is back online. Anyone who has products up there, be sure to contact google, their host, paypal, and his domain registrar to get it shut down again...

Must...spend...all....day....getting....site....sh ut...down...

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Scott Ames

14 years ago

You could contact Google and try to have the site de indexed as well as contact their hosting and to a DMCA request:

Digital Millennium Copyright Act

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skorpion

14 years ago

Lots of members have been PMing me for the link to the website....give me a few minutes to get caught up and I'll get back to you!

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NicheMayhem 14 years ago

I would also like a PM with the address. I am new to this forum but a few friends of mine would love to have a new target in the fight against piracy.

To the OP: Although unfortunate, I completely agree to let this be a lesson learned with your future products. The advice in this thread is very solid as far as branding, link saturation, locking the material and fragmenting when creating digital products.

I am so impressed with some of the members here!
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sbucciarel Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by skorpion

Lots of members have been PMing me for the link to the website....give me a few minutes to get caught up and I'll get back to you!

I wouldn't be giving out the link. If you think there aren't people in WF who will go there to get those products for free or cheap, think again.
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jacktackett

14 years ago

As you found out - talking with a reasonable owner can get you further than launching into letigation mode immediately. The biggest reason for this is perhaps the owner purchased what he/she thought were legitimate PLR rights from the real crook.

Next, if that doesn't work you can use the DMCA to get the content taken down. Contacting hosting providers and domain registrars are also sometimes effective too.

Next, IANAL - but as folks have said - you are the copyright holder the instance you create something. If you outsourced its creation - make sure you have a work for hire contract-otherwise the person who created the content for you has the rights.

Finally - spend the 35 dollars to register your copyright. while its taking an intolerable 9+ months to get your registrations back, that little bar code is legal proof you hold the copyright. It also gives you rights to claim additional damages in court if you decide to sue. Sue without that registration and good luck collecting anything. (though to be honest - with most thieves - its good luck collecting anything anyway)

--Jack

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jacktackett

Next, IANAL

Dude, TMI.
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Rukshan

14 years ago

Check the hosting account of that forum. Then contact that hosting provider and report it. They will shutdown the web site.

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