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14 years ago

So...

Amazon, Apple and Google are going to slug it out in a battle to promote ebooks.

Sounds like this is a great time to be a writer.

Frank

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Frank Donovan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

And I imagine they will take a traditional publisher's share of the revenue and pay the writer doodly-squat.

You serious?

If Google wanted to promote my ebook, they could take 90%.

Make that 95.

Frank

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Frank Donovan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Traditional publishers have expenses. Taking 90% of gross for an ebook is inexcusable, but I'm sure writers would be lining up to get paid whatever Google chooses to pay them.

Sad, ain't it?

Ken, that may or may not be, but the vast majority of writers would never get a deal with a "traditional" publisher in the first place, so to them the cut is irrelevant.

And no traditional publisher has anything like the distribution reach of Google.

Frank

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Louise Green

14 years ago

In a recent interview someone from inside Google said that they consider every other website their competition, or something along those lines.

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BizBoost 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Louise Evans

In a recent interview someone from inside Google said that they consider every other website their competition, or something along those lines.

And its their crawling of those websites without permission that made Google what it is today, too.

Here's my brilliant idea...

The first one to SUBSIDIZE E-readers to large outlets (like major hotels) to give away, or sell at a discount, to their clientele -- with the caveat that any ebook bought through such units would result in a commission to the e-reader provider -- wins.

They're stupid to be selling those e-readers. They should give them away or sell them off dirt cheap and have a book-buying customer for life.

Eric
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Andrew11

14 years ago

Google is always changing their search engine and not always for the better for us, but we must remember Google is king we have to adapt to their rules almost always. You have to admit there is a lot of spam e-books out there.

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BizBoost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrew11

Google is always changing their search engine and not always for the better for us, but we must remember Google is king we have to adapt to their rules almost always. You have to admit there is a lot of spam e-books out there.

It's their way of continually culling out PLR products, you know, the ones that people are supposed to repurpose but just throw up on the web, AS IS? They did it with the dupe content penalty for articles, and now its for e-book and plr software. Next, perhaps, plr videos that all remain very much the same.

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Andrew11

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BizBoost

It's their way of continually culling out PLR products, you know, the ones that people are supposed to repurpose but just throw up on the web, AS IS? They did it with the dupe content penalty for articles, and now its for e-book and plr software. Next, perhaps, plr videos that all remain very much the same.

Yeah google search is definitely not perfect in this way..How are they supposed to tell who is the original owner of an article? Sometimes the original article gets penalized because someone copies it? This is what I think is BS

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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrew11

Google is always changing their search engine and not always for the better for us, but we must remember Google is king we have to adapt to their rules almost always. You have to admit there is a lot of spam e-books out there.

Google is barely 15% of all internet traffic, so they are definitely not king. What you say is only true if you ONLY do business with Google. Even Perry Marshall states that marketers should diversify and that ONLY doing business with Google is a risky proposition.

Google is about 2-3% of our overall traffic these days since we've told them to screw off quite some time ago.

A great work around ANY Google slap is to make sure you've got one or more content-rich websites and/or blogs to build a list and then you can e-mail that list what you want. This way it's not as easy for Google to see what you're selling. Besides, no one should be selling "e-books" anyway. You should call them something else to give them higher perceived value or offer them in print and double or triple the price.

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butters

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

Google is barely 15% of all internet traffic, so they are definitely not king. What you say is only true if you ONLY do business with Google. Even Perry Marshall states that marketers should diversify and that ONLY doing business with Google is a risky proposition.

Google is about 2-3% of our overall traffic these days since we've told them to screw off quite some time ago.

A great work around ANY Google slap is to make sure you've got one or more content-rich websites and/or blogs to build a list and then you can e-mail that list what you want. This way it's not as easy for Google to see what you're selling.

RoD

Curious now, what has a higher percentage then google?

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Rod Cortez 14 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

Curious now, what has a higher percentage then google?

There are ad networks out there that control more traffic than Google. And no I'm not going to name any, it's called do your own research.
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- butters 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rod Cortez
  
  There are ad networks out there that control more traffic than Google.
  
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LB

14 years ago

When "Google" evaluates your page, it's not some all-knowing borg; it's someone getting paid barely above minimum wage to evaluate hundreds of sites as fast as possible...that's their "quality team".

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Zach Booker

14 years ago

Somehow I'm still able to slang re-bills on Google and they sure as hell dislike them more than they dislike e-books.

Bottom line is Google knows by "banning" something 99% of those that promote said type of product stop doing so (because they're scared, because they're slapped, etc).

The ones left. Well they spend the most money. And Google seems to turn the other way with them.

Was the exact same way when ringtones were banned.

Try looking at the results for ****, resveratrol, etc.

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Stephen D7

14 years ago

How does this look from Google Searcher's view point ? Search Engines need to provide the most complete, relevant, latest (up to date) available Content (value considering price) or they will lose their traffic.

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Nick Brighton

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Harlan

Just last week, one of my inside sources tells me Google is once again slapping sites silly.

And this time, one of the things they are evaluating is "What are they selling?"

They don't consider ebooks of value and so they are starting giving low landing page scores or denying campaigns to sites selling ebooks.

Then I read the news today.

Google is about to sell digital books to compete with Kindle and the iPad.

Sweet.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

Peace

There's a difference between a PLR book on curing acne using your mom's baking soda, and digital versions of real books by real authors. Perhaps that is where the value discrepancy is creeping in too.

But the quote that "they don't consider ebooks of any value" is a bit of a sweeping generalization, don't you think?

I highly doubt that's their official line, to be honest...no disrespect to your source in Google.

Of course, I could be wrong.

They could be secretly planning to eradicate all ebooks from the markeplace so they can dominate the market themselves. But I'd be amazed if they'd let that info slip out so easily.

What level is your source in Google's hierarchy?

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ContentArticleWriter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

So...

Amazon, Apple and Google are going to slug it out in a battle to promote ebooks.

Sounds like this is a great time to be a writer.

Frank

HAA... Just what we need, Google the ePublisher... Cool, I guess?:confused:

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

And I imagine they will take a traditional publisher's share of the revenue and pay the writer doodly-squat.

PERHAPS... But the bright side will be that they will push for the books they publish... No doubt about that... That is ONLY of course, if one of the plans behind this ebook device is to publish books. They might just be creating a device to compete with the Kindle and the iPad...

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

There's a difference between a PLR book on curing acne using your mom's baking soda, and digital versions of real books by real authors. Perhaps that is where the value discrepancy is creeping in too.

But the quote that "they don't consider ebooks of any value" is a bit of a sweeping generalization, don't you think?

I highly doubt that's their official line, to be honest...no disrespect to your source in Google.

Of course, I could be wrong.

They could be secretly planning to eradicate all ebooks from the markeplace so they can dominate the market themselves. But I'd be amazed if they'd let that info slip out so easily.

What level is your source in Google's hierarchy?

I have to agree... Google executives are much more tactical... Whatever it is they are planning will not be easily slipped out. Who knows maybe this is just the type of hype they want to create. We all know that any type of small talk can have a snowball effect...:rolleyes:

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getsmartt

14 years ago

Curious now, what has a higher percentage then google?

Facebook I heard

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Nick Brighton 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Louise Evans

In a recent interview someone from inside Google said that they consider every other website their competition, or something along those lines.

Spot the operative (and slightly ambiguous) words in this sentence

I love these whole threads about Google out to kill all websites, businesses and manipulate search results in their own favour.

What a lot of people miss, is the fact that if Google really did manipulate their listings so drastically, then users would start using a different search engine.

Google has power for two reasons:

1. For what it does, and...
2. For its' reputation for doing it well...

...and that is, to deliver relevant, varied results to its' users.

If you're not relevant, and you're the same as everyone else (albeit advertising or organically), then you're not going to show up.

Why can't more people grasp this simple truth?
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- Louise Green 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Nick Brighton
  
  Spot the operative (and slightly ambiguous) words in this sentence
  
  Read it for yourself http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/03/05/google%E2%80%99s-competition-most-of-the-internet/ :rolleyes:
  
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butters 14 years ago

Originally Posted by getsmartt

Facebook I heard

Sure but the quality of Googles traffic is far superior then facebooks but that is the only site I know of which beats Google in traffic.
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steveo

14 years ago

Google I really wish you would be more careful about who you give the beatstick too, I have articles and then they are article keyword rewritten by a article rewrite from a different site..come 2 weeks later my keyword results are way down..Coincendce? I dont think so

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