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traffic, at least in part, be informed of what EZA is doing with your article submissions as far as how they are being accepted or rejected. This will serve as a heads up so that each person can react accordingly. I may have just saved somebody a lot of time in submitting several articles for one topic, thinking they are all different when in fact, at least according to EZA's new algo, they are the same if ONLY that they are even the least bit similar. My article is clear proof of this as only one paragraph had any resemblance to the other article and the wording was almost competely different. Bottom line Les. If EZA is tightening the noose on guidelines and not telling authors, they have a right to be informed. That is what I am doing. | |
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Hi Steve, You are absolutely right in my opinion about EA and some of the rejections they are immediatly putting out. I have had this start to happen to me over the last two weeks as well. I had one article that I wrote completely fresh and new that was a review of a health philosophy where I mentioned a certain product twice since it was part of the story and they said it was to commercial. Then I had several other rejected for using a keyword to much. I was a little upset because [no ego intended] I have an English degree and have actually made a living as a writer in another life and I have been writing quality articles. Compared to some of the absolute crap articles currently on EA with poor grammer and very vague information of little value I felt like I was doing all this work for nothing. |
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People are getting articles declined everyday. What if they all posted about it here? |
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I've done a few searches for EA articles in the past, though I haven't come across any of Steve's yet. Quite frankly, I was surprised at the generally low standard of writing - but more importantly - the low standard of information. I found it hard to get anything of value that I would be proud to use with my name as a referrer. Maybe EA has seen this too, and are acting to preserve their reputation through some overkill. ... |
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My suggestion is that if you traced the issue down to a specific paragraph and this is the first time this has happened to you, then just fix the paragraph and move on. Frank Bruno |
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and find that 80% of the posts, at least, have been made at one time or another at least a dozen times or more, not to mention the same questions that are asked over and over. So why don't we do this? Why don't we have the same kind of software installed here? That way, whenever anybody makes a post asking a question that's already been asked, a message will come up saying, "We have found your question already in our database. Please use the search feature to find it" and not allow the post to be made. Problem solved. This was not purely a rant that my article was rejected. I've had articles rejected before. I don't come here each time. This was a particular case where a piece of software had rejected it BEFORE it ever made it to an editor. In my 3 years with EZA, I have NEVER seen this. Therefore, I felt it was important enough to bring up. | |
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I got one of those letters too recently. It sounds like you didn't follow the instructions. You weren't supposed to resubmit the article; you were supposed to click on the reverify the link button on the diagnostic screen. | |
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Just think about it all for a minute. Open your mind (everyone) instead of clinging to a specific idea or opinion you formulated in the past. Especially think about the recent changes that have been made and the alarming comments we have seen and heard over the last few weeks from Chris. It's all right there on the table screaming in your face! You don't have to agree or disagree with what they're doing...you just have to make the decision on whether or not you will use their services. I personally don't believe that, right now, it makes a rat's ass bit of difference to them what you do. It's just business. AL |
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This happened to me several times but I wound up getting around it by making small changes. I seem to be pretty lucky with EZA to be honest... They're just trying to slowly force everyone into $97 a month memberships
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Steve is making a very relevant article marketing point by bringing this up. Sure, it's got a level of subjectivity to it because it's regarding one submission and not dozens of them, but it's definitely not a pure "bash". I think some people spend a little to much time trying to read inbetween the lines to see if there is a hidden agenda when there might not actually be one. I think Steve has earned the right to voice his opinion here in the main forum by letting fellow AMers know what he's just experienced. There are a lot of newbies who are just starting out using EZA, there are also veteran article marketers like myself who appreciate posts like the one Steve brings up because now I know I'm not the only one experiencing this. Steve, this is another reason why most of my content is now on my own blogs / sites/ and partner's websites and blogs. RoD |
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provided them with quality content day in and day out for years. The below quote is from Rod Cortez Quote:
Thank you Rod. I know I have a tendency to rant, but having never seen this and at such a picky level, I was almost shocked. Well, I know what I have to do. I can't control what EZA does or what other writers decide to do based on this, but I can control what I do. | ||
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Steven - Were the article titles similar or the keywords the same? The only rejection I've had on an article was due to using a similar title/keyword. Changed the keyword to a "longer tail" and article was accepted. I'm of mixed feelings about this. Due to the huge number of marketers telling others to "write articles for backlinks" - EZA and other directories were overrun with crappy articles not worth reading. I noticed the deterioration in the past year or so and was glad to see EZA cracking down a bit. It may be there are still adjustments to make at EZA to refine the new guidelines. Quote:
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You know? I don't think EZA is crazy at all... annoying for us... yes, but crazy... ![]() It is a really good source of traffic mainly because google has an affair with it and it is very easy to find the articles in first page... ![]() Before the duplicated content filter... it was good in itself because other people would take your content and republish it. But nowadays... google wants original content, so this is not an option anymore... Here is what I think is going on... there is too much rewritten content around... it is a necessity for us, but it is not what the searcher really wants... a searcher wants to collect different facts from different articles, if I read 10 articles and they all have the same info, no matter how well written they are... I am not learning anything new, am I? ![]() Now, like google is not stupid (at all), they already noticed this... and like EZA doesn't want to be slapped like Squidoo, they are covering their butts before Google slap them... ![]() Bottom line... I am starting to create content instead of re-creating it... guess this is another "trick" that will not work anymore... ![]() RDG ![]() PS: Allen, dear, I really need more smilies.... |
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Glad you posted this thread Steve. After the last article I had rejected because they didn't like my title that I chose for MY article, i felt the same way as you. Build a blog per niche and start posting your articles there. That is what I am doing now. I will still send some to EZA weekly because of the traffic they can get me but it is time to build my own properties up. It isn't just EZA Associated Content is also very choosy now. They want more articles on certain topics and less on topics that already have tons of articles. imho Post 2 articles to your own blogs everyday and I bet google will love your sites. I have a hiking site with 285 pages that is 4 years old now. I rarely got links to it and today it gets 1000 visitors a day all from SEO and even a PR3. Its all traffic to my articles. |
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Rework the paragraph then resubmit. Not sure what the problem is here aside from the brutal algorithm the EZA software piece is using to gauge uniqueness but then again, that's their prerogative to implement as to ensure quality and not yours. |
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Steven, Personal opinion: I have to say that I agree with Les on this one. If you had said something like, "It seems that EZA has an automated system that's rejecting on non-existent repetition. Is anyone else seeing this?," it would be more in line with an informative post. Re-read your posts in this thread and tell me they don't fit Number 4. (Except for the "crap" reference, of course.) The subject line alone says, "This is a rant!" I'm the last one to rant about rants (not my stone to throw, doncha know), but it's the same one, over and over. Paul |
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Hi Guys Just read this thread. I have mixed feelings about this. I've made some money using primarily EZA and it's been over an 18 month period. I'm all for quality and if EZA wants to raise the bar - then so be it. I also agree with you Steve that they (EZA) have gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. I was also wondering if any of you have opted for the 'premium service' and being the natural cynic that I am, I was wondering if this is just some sort of corporate ploy to make more 'bucks'! Anyhow with the delays in getting articles OK'd - I have decided to diversify my traffic sources and primarily use EZA for links and long term traffic. What I normally do is put my best 10 articles on EZA on a niche (using several pen names) and spreading the rest. It's a slow process but I suspect it's worth it in the long run. I also agree with you Steve in building up your own VRE. I had two articles rejected for similar reasons - totally unique so I put them on one of my blogs and got some unique visits. The only thing is that I am not sure how long term this will be. I don't think EZA cares much whether you stay or go but I do know that traffic that I get is long term from them so I think it's worth the effort. However my caveat is that as in any good business you diversify so that is what I am now doing - and that can't be a bad thing now! Pete |
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I'm just wondering. Are you folks who are bashing Steven actually article marketers? Have you been there and done that? Do you have any clue whatsoever what is going on in the article marketing industry right now? Do you know what Christopher Knight's direction is? Do you have ANY idea where Steven is coming from or why he started the thread in the first place or are you just guessing? I'm just sayin... Why do you even care about this thread if you are not involved in the industry or the community? This had a great potential for some really good conversation, but now it has just turned into a bashfest because of this. Just because you may see the OP as a rant doesn't mean that everyone does, especially experts in the field who can get something out of this. GO RAYS! AL |
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I have noticed that Eza have turned Nazi a while ago. Im totally for article marketing but only to a certain extent. I think article marketing is a great way for someone to start out when trying to make money on the internet. But why post your personal origional content on their site and let them make money from it. Steven, i and this forum know that your an article writting force to be reckoned with, so why dont you keep your content on your own blog and make twice as much from it. You are pretty much the most well known and most trusted person on this forum so i think you could have a blog with 50,000 subscribers and a PR 7 in no time. With that sort of authority you could rank number 1 for any long tail article title you wrote and not have to settle for a position 8 or 9 with Eza. Origional content is gold on the internet these days so keep it to yourself and not share it with these ungrateful sites like EZA. |
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I don't think my post was a bash, but if I'm one of the ones you mean... You don't have to be involved in a field to recognize that a thread with the title this one has is a rant, no matter how carefully the insults of the service are spread throughout it. EZA has forums for discussion of their service. What, exactly, is going to be accomplished by bringing up gripes about it here every day? Steven isn't always the one to do it, but I'd be surprised if there were 3 days out of the past two weeks without at least one thread on this particular site, most of them gripes of one sort or another. Paul | |
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I know Paul. It's all good. AL |
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Paul, I know you're always straight with me and I hope you know that I am always straight with you. Of course this is a rant..but it's not the same rant. I'm cool with an editor rejecting my article. At least then I can present my case to them. You can't present your case to a machine, and if this is going to become a recurring theme where articles are rejected because a piece of software says it's "similar" to another article, the number of rejections will get to the point where it's just not worth the time to fight it anymore. If this is the direction that EZA is going in, that's fine. But I personally feel a lot of article writers are just going to say, "The heck with it" and go elsewhere. But yes, it was a rant and when the thread was deleted, I wasn't surprised. What I don't understand is why it's back. If the members at large feel that this is an inappropriate post, then by all means, it should be gone. But if many feel that there is something here to discuss (not that we have any control over what EZA does) then maybe it should be discussed. Personally, I don't really care that much anymore because I've made my decision. I have thousands of articles I can put on my own blog. That's the simple solution to the problem. | |
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Steve, As a matter of fact, you and I happen to be working in the same niche, which is why I keep an eye on your articles as well as on a number of other competitors in that category (in fact, I have an RSS feed for your articles in Google Reader). From experience, I can tell you that you do tend to repeat yourself - but, let's be honest for a second there, so does everyone else who relies on volume submissions to EZA for their traffic. One needs to be honest here, I think - SEO aside, the only way to truly benefit from EZA is to have hundreds of articles, which eventually start generating acceptable levels of traffic on their own even without Google placements. According to Chris Knight, his ideal vision for article submission is for the author to continue submitting more and more articles to drive traffic to their website. That's fine and dandy - the problem becomes when he also asks for the articles to be unique. As we all know, there's only really so much stuff you can say on a certain subject before you start repeating yourself (especially considering our niche). At this point, you're faced with a choice - either you continue repeating yourself but phrase every article uniquely and mix and match points (which is what you do, from what I have observed) or you limited yourself to 100% original articles, and therefore shoot yourself in the foot when it comes to traffic, as well as contradict Chris Knight's long-term vision for EZA. Personally, I think repetition is acceptable, so long as its phrased uniquely. Submitting articles to EZA is a bit like placing items on a conveyor belt - if you want your item to always be on it, you have to keep placing new copies of it over and over again. With such a requirement, 100% originality is obviously impossible to achieve. Oh, and Steve, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying you spin your articles or anything; for what it's worth, I think you're an incredible writer, and the whole point of my post is to demonstrate that reasonable repetition with valuable content should not be frowned upon - and this, I believe, is the unwritten policy at EZA. |
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what's best for them. The purpose of my post was two-fold. 1. To let off some steam. 2. To make the members aware that EZA is now rejecting articles on the front end before they even get to the editors. Now, somebody mentioned that this has been going on for several months. I didn't know. I don't read their blog. I don't have the time. If they're going to make changes to their TOS, a simple email sent to the members with a link to the changes is all that it takes. I don't think that's asking a lot. | |
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Yes Paul I do realize what I was comparing them to actually. They really ticked me off that day.
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I'm not saying we need to be perfect in our analogies. We all screw them up. Just suggesting that some of them need to be rather carefully [re]considered. Google "Godwin's Law" - Mike Godwin had it right... Paul | |
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discussed. If EZA is making these changes, then one could only assume that it is because of pressure from Google. If other directories want to survive, they may be forced to do the same thing. What this will ultimately lead to, at least for article writers who write a lot, is that they'll be forced to build their own VRE solely, rather than rely on article directories. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but it may very well lead to the death of article directories, at least as we know them today. What are your views on this? PS - I've edited the title of the post so it's more appropriate to what's actually going on. | |
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One could assume other things, too. Such as, they want more unique content and less repetitive material, for the benefit of their publishers. If the publishers keep seeing stuff that's too close to what they've already used, they may well look elsewhere for content. Or for the benefit of their visitors, who may have the same response. Or something else entirely, which I may not have considered. At any rate, if this system has been in place for months and you've only been hit by it once, despite the volume of material you submit, it's unlikely to have anything like the dramatic results you're predicting. Paul | |
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I can see the late-night TV ad already: "Are you tired of waiting 5-10 business days to find out your articles were rejected for no apparent reason? Well those days are over, because with our amazing new software you'll be rejected within seconds! We guarantee the fastest rejection in the article industry! You can even have your rejections sent immediately to your cell phone..."
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I have to say that on this particular topic.. I trust Chris' Knights vision here... I may not agree with everything he has done, but if this is a result of him tightening the rules a little, then it's a good thing... if it's a bug with the site, then you may be better going here Steve: Contact EzineArticles.com But on the whole I do think it would benefit us all if the repetitive content was policed more.. I'm guilty of repeating myself in my articles too Steve... so a bit of a shake up will only keep me on my toes, so it's a good thing.. And also, I am a firm believer in keeping my best content on my sites anyhow ![]() Peace Jay |
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OK, everybody got the bashing off their chests? Thread title changed...can us article marketers have our thread back? Thanks. Steven, This "death" is inevitable...but not for everyone. I've done a lot of research lately and without giving away the farm here, I believe that 90% - 95% of the article directories out there today will be gone in a years time. (This does not include niche directories that are supplemental to a higher or the same level in the same domain) It won't be mandatory that all of the directories that want to survive emulate Chris's seemingly harsh decisions. He is in a very unenviable position right now because any change that he feels needs to be made at HIS directory is of monumental proportions and will effect so many more people. It's a lot easier for me and most other directory owners to implement a change without a lot of recoil. Change is happening NOW and the directories that do not do the right things are going to dry up and blow away. I see it starting already with some directories (ones that would shock you if I mentioned their names). But they don't have to go overboard - Chris kind of does. I have really only seen Buzzle, ArticlesBase and, of course, Website-Articles.net make these "mandatory" changes lately. OK, I'm rambling now...Again, it's just business. And it's about to get pretty cutthroat, IMO. AL |
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I haven't submitted to EZA for a while so I don't know what has been going on, but I'm surprised EZA will say an article is too commercial when they have a shopping and product review category. Hopefully this problem is temporary if this is software doing this. |
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I can see a few different models replacing it. The bad news (for some folks) is that they'll all depend on quality writing. That's going to cut a lot of marginal folk out of the business. Paul | |
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| Angela from Aberdeen War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Aberdeen, WA USA.
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Submit the article again, Steven. It may just be a "newbie" editor who is a little too gung-ho. Quote:
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I think you missed where he said it was not a rejection by a human editor, but by the software as soon as he hit the submit button. That was his whole point.
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| Content & Copywriting Wiz War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Roselle, NJ, USA
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It's a piece of software that rejects your article upon hitting the submit button if it finds that there is anything in it that even resembles another article that you've written. Doesn't matter how different it is. In my case, it was one paragraph that had a little bit of the info from another paragraph in another article. The article was essentially 80% unique but was still rejected upon hitting the submit button. | |
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I'm going to stick my nose in here and let you guys in on a little secret. Big Mike has something coming up that will give you guys a chance to get way ahead in the article marketing game. You will be able to promote AdSense, affiliate products, your own products, CPA sites and other things as well. Not only that you will have your own article directory I have been testing it and I'm telling you it's way beyond "giddy up and go" when you pass goal you collect $200.00. And the SE's love it. One beautiful thing about it there will be no rejections of any articles, because you are the one who puts them up. I've said enough. Ken |
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And you're right...the "survivors" will ALL depend on quality and originality. There is still some guessing going on, all we can follow is what the Google Representatives are saying, listen very closely and read between the lines...and really really study our authors article statisctics and look at the articles that seem to be telling you something!!! AL | |
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| Angela from Aberdeen War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Aberdeen, WA USA.
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Yeah, I didn't see that part. In that case, I might recommend sending a message to EZA and letting them know about this issue. Their software might be set up to be "too sensitive" to articles that have similar content. Quote:
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