Legitimate marketing - A Bit of a Rant: Warriors selling email addresses??

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Okay I don't post in here a lot, because I'm pretty busy with my own sites... but on occasion, when I'm doing research (or interested in a true offer), I sometimes buy a WSO that is up in the special offers section.

So over the past week or so I bought a few different ones. (Only two were truly outstanding... two gave ideas... but anything else was rehashed junk, but that's another story).

Anyway...

ALL of a sudden in the past about 4 days or so, I'm getting spammed from people I DON'T know, DON'T have any relationship with, but several of them somehow have my name.

The thing is, Okay, if it was my normal email, I would simply unsubscribe and hit delete.

BUT.....

  1. They are using my Paypal email (which I don't publicize on websites, so basically the only way they'd get it in most instances is because someone sold it after I bought a product)
  2. what's WORSE is that half the time, I'm getting it like 5 days in a row (Or like Saturday - Five EMAILS in the same day from the same person)... claiming I joined the list... but you can't remove yourself!! It SAYS "click to remove"... and you get the "you have been unsubscribed"... but then you STILL get more emails in the next day?
Heeelllllooooo - have people not heard of SCRUBBING a list to make sure that there's no duplicates?? Or to NOT re-add people when they've unsubbed?

Worse yet, WHY would you spam me and SAY you have a relationship with me when I have NO clue who you are?? (In most cases, they DON'T sign their name, OR, they use a fake reply-to address that they just throw away).

What would it take, for someone to say,

"hey, I got your email and thought you might be interested - please OPT IN for more information"??

You know what? I'd actually READ that email. I might still unsub - but I sure as heck wouldn't be reporting for spam if the person legitimately contacted me like that. (Even if they did buy it)

Sorry for the rant - but all that's happening is I hit the SPAMCOP button... (perhaps some of the newer warriors might not know of that one??)

The bottom line:

Legitimate marketing should absolutely NOT include SELLING a person's email address WITHOUT their permission.

If we come in here as buyers in the Warrior forum, we're not coming here to blast our email address to be SPAMMED and SOLD!

While I respect that everyone has the right to do this if they wish, I would think that:

1) If you PLAN on even considering doing this, you might want to put a link to your privacy policy in your WSO and STICK to it! (That way, at least we can read ahead of time IF you plan on selling our contact info - and WE can make the decision NOT to buy your WSO if we are against it)

2) Allen might consider requiring that people who submit a WSO absolutely AGREES NOT to share people's confidential information WITHOUT their permission!

~~ end of rant (for now!) ~~

(Btw - I'm NOT the only one who has complained on this... a few months ago this happened as well and someone else ranted...)

If you're a legitimate marketer - can it PLEASE stop??

TELL US if you are going to sell our contact info and give us the right to OPT OUT.

Make it CLEAR. PLEASE. All you're doing is wasting our time, and giving WSO's a bad rep (cuz you can be sure as heck that I won't be buying any other WSO's for a while, and "IF" I do - it'll be 100% tracked to the owner of the WSO).

Unfortunately I had to (literally) ban some domains from reaching our server entirely (which means they are completely blocked from emailing ANY of several domains). It'll never get here. What does that do for a marketer trying to make money who thinks they are doing what they should be? Not good for them at all.

Whew. Ok. I'm done for the moment. Anyone else just as frustrated?

Amber
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    If it was your Paypal address, how do you know it was a Warrior who sold it, rather than someone else who knows your Paypal address?
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  • Profile picture of the author Amber Jalink
    Because I haven't bought ANYTHING else with it in ages, and they were very close to some of the products I purchased. (The offers-same topics).
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
      Originally Posted by dimeco View Post

      Because I haven't bought ANYTHING else with it in ages, and they were very close to some of the products I purchased. (The offers-same topics).
      Again, not exactly proof.

      I'm sensitive to this because I've had customers accuse me of similar things which I've never done- certainly I would know if I had given their info to someone else, wouldn't I?
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      • Profile picture of the author Amber Jalink
        Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

        Again, not exactly proof.

        I'm sensitive to this because I've had customers accuse me of similar things which I've never done- certainly I would know if I had given their info to someone else, wouldn't I?
        Yes, I totally know all about it - that's why I don't hit the spamcop button right away... I follow all removes where possible (unless of course its that viagra crap LOL, then I just report).

        But it was SO much SO fast - and one of them did reference me buying a "similar product recently", which the only one I did was from here. Unfortunately I deleted that email (it was at the start of the pick up in spam).

        This was though, the point of making sure warriors know its NOT okay to do this.

        Legitimate email has a LEGITIMATE remove system (like getresponse or aweber) - not one that reloads daily (like onyxmailing.com - one of the spam senders over the past few days).

        @sbucciarel - Exactly - and if you need help on how to block the person from emailing, PM me and I'll tell you how to do it and you'll never have to be bothered again

        We're marketers - we DO like to get email - but we like to also choose what NOT to get and have that respected. Right?

        Amber
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  • Profile picture of the author Amber Jalink
    Let me add:

    I'm absolutely not against receiving legitimate email from people I've bought from. I actually read pretty much every email in that case.

    The fact is, I had read that this was a "way to make money" in an older WSO (the person recommended creating wso's for the purpose of gaining the email addresses and then selling them later - but I can't remember which one it was), but the fact is - it is technically against the law to not disclose it.

    I know, I know, the law is relative.

    But for those who want to consider legitimate marketing, here's a good article: (And its NOT an affiliate link).

    Common Email Marketing Mistakes | MailChimp.com

    Amber
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Something similar just happened to me. I bought a website from someone. All of a sudden, I am getting spam emails from him with no unsubscribe button on the emails at all. I never opted in to any list to receive these. I've asked him 3 times now politely to get me off this freaking list. It really pisses me off. He's not even good at it. Same message every freaking day ... day after day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Actually, I get quite a number of unrelated spam email to my paypal email address. The strange thing is: I created that account exclusively for PP and I never use it for anything else.

    It happened that otherwise "normal" marketers put that address on their list automatically after/during the purchase (OK, I know how to do it in aweber...) - although they had an unsub link or when contacted they apologized.

    The other group is completely unknown and I have no idea how did they get my PP email...
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  • Profile picture of the author Amber Jalink
    Istvan - well, people "can" create email addresses... I've had it happen in the past if you have your domain set to allow "aliases" for email (i.e., for tracking purposes, like ad1@yourdomain.com, ad2@yourdomain.com etc)... and some spammers over the years have literally tried to create any possible name combination out there at that domain, which of course flooded it till we just blocked all emails that weren't true emails. So it's very possible that happened to you.

    And I totally recognize that can happen too - but you can also 95% of the time (if not more) - tell who did that.

    i.e., a spammer vs. a marketer.

    Spammer: makes up all sorts of emails and sends viagra, enlargement, and every other spam under the sun.

    Marketer: Uses your NAME (most times), and sends emails that are much more targeted to your interests (i.e., you bought a seo book somewhere... suddenly you're getting more offers/emails on seo improvements/courses).

    The other reason I can pretty much safely say its from here:

    Unless someone *knew* me, they wouldn't know that my paypal address is specifically me, because the email address has my company.

    For someone to be addressing me by *personal* name (not company), only happens if I've purchased AND registered with a company.

    99% of the time, I register using my other email address if I have the choice.

    (I'm often getting the same emails on both accounts... and both use my name... so another point to this.)

    Amber
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