Helping people doesn't pay ...

14 years ago

Ray,

Originally Posted by Raydal

If you are in the niche of helping people you can also expect
not to be paid much either--except in personal satisfaction.

As much as 'helping other people' is valued in words, it's not
when it comes to money.

That's a rather strange conclusion. There's more than one way to help folks.

I would have thought that Henry Ford "helped" a multitude of people to become mobile with his affordable transport system.

More recently, the founders of eBay have helped millions to trade with a global market for relatively little cost.

Amazon has helped countless people to access a range of books that would have otherwise remained unobtainable.

Etc. etc.

In fact, it seems that helping as many people as possible is one of the surest ways to riches.

Frank

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Raydal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Ray,

That's a rather strange conclusion. There's more than one way to help folks.

I would have thought that Henry Ford "helped" a multitude of people to become mobile with his affordable transport system.

More recently, the founders of eBay have helped millions to trade with a global market for relatively little cost.

Amazon has helped countless people to access a range of books that would have otherwise remained unobtainable.

Etc. etc.

In fact, it seems that helping as many people as possible is one of the surest ways to riches.

Frank

Well, I guess they are thinking about helping people directly rather
than indirectly. Every marketer should be helping people solve
some problem. But the point here is that if you are in a niche
to help people who cannot help you back in return, then you're
doomed to low-paying status.

You can see the article here:

Worst-Paying College Degrees- Yahoo! HotJobs

-Ray Edwards

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Christian York

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Ray,

That's a rather strange conclusion. There's more than one way to help folks.

I would have thought that Henry Ford "helped" a multitude of people to become mobile with his affordable transport system.

More recently, the founders of eBay have helped millions to trade with a global market for relatively little cost.

Amazon has helped countless people to access a range of books that would have otherwise remained unobtainable.

Etc. etc.

In fact, it seems that helping as many people as possible is one of the surest ways to riches.

Frank

Great answer Frank.

I completely agree. The more people that you help, the richer you get!

As Zig Ziglar said:

You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want.

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Emily Meeks

14 years ago

I see where you're coming from, but many therapists make $100+ an hour... if they're good (and they really NEED to be), they can help people and make six figures at the same time.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Depends on how you "package" your help, Ray. There are a lot of self-help authors who would beg to differ.

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thunderbird

14 years ago

I don't care how many people go to my funeral since I won't be alive to see it. At my funeral please eat, drink, and be merry (if anyone attends).

My grandfather, a very charitable playboy when he was alive (ask his mistresses), advised me that if you help others, don't expect any reciprocation or you'll just experience little more than frustration, and that you won't be disillusioned by people if you don't harbor illusions about them in the first place.

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Nigel Greaves

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

The writer concluded that crime doesn't pay and neither does helping people.

Sounds like the writer just has a downer on Robin Hood

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x3xsolxdierx3x

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

On a recent Yahoo news, Social work and elementary education
top the list for worst paying college degrees.

The writer concluded that crime doesn't pay and neither does
helping people.

If you are in the niche of helping people you can also expect
not to be paid much either--except in personal satisfaction.

As much as 'helping other people' is valued in words, it's not
when it comes to money.

So don't expect to get rich if you're really interested in
helping people. You will have more people at your funeral
though.

-Ray Edwards

...but, the following day, they had an article about jobs that will pay in excess of $100,000....

Nurse practitioner was on the top (at least of their list)....I'd have to say that nurses are pretty helpful

....of course, sometimes it's hard to appreciate people until someone goes into cardiac arrest or something like that....

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thunderbird

14 years ago

Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x

...but, the following day, they had an article about jobs that will pay in excess of $100,000....

Nurse practitioner was on the top (at least of their list)....I'd have to say that nurses are pretty helpful

....of course, sometimes it's hard to appreciate people until someone goes into cardiac arrest or something like that....

I have a very high estimation of nurses, especially maternity nurses, after experiencing their professionalism and helpfulness firsthand during the birth of my son.

(Stay away from doulas and/or midwives. In contrast to the professionalism of nurses, doulas are completely superfluous and unnecessary cultish flakes primarily interested your money and spreading their ignorant superstitious hogwash.)

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x3xsolxdierx3x

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

I have a very high estimation of nurses, especially maternity nurses, after experiencing their professionalism and helpfulness firsthand during the birth of my son.

(Stay away from doulas and/or midwives. In contrast to the professionalism of nurses, doulas are completely superfluous and unnecessary cultish flakes primarily interested your money and spreading their ignorant superstitious hogwash.)

I do IM, but I'm a nurse on the side (yep...male nurse...cue the "focker" jokes...lol)....

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Gary King 14 years ago

Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x

I do IM, but I'm a nurse on the side (yep...male nurse...cue the "focker" jokes...lol)....

NOT a chance... ask any Marine if they like Navy Corpsmen (medics)... uh, yeah.
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ryanbiddulph

14 years ago

Helping people makes you billions of dollars if you have a money mindset. The richest helped people for years WITHOUT getting paid before becoming the modern day Bill Gates and Steve Jobs of the world.

It's exactly that kind of mindset with repels wealth. If you turn your back on others and refuse to help money and other good things will be held back from you. Karma is unfailing.

Help until it hurts and know your worth. That's the key to making money.

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Karen Blundell

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

On a recent Yahoo news, Social work and elementary education
top the list for worst paying college degrees.

The writer concluded that crime doesn't pay and neither does
helping people.

If you are in the niche of helping people you can also expect
not to be paid much either--except in personal satisfaction.

As much as 'helping other people' is valued in words, it's not
when it comes to money.

So don't expect to get rich if you're really interested in
helping people. You will have more people at your funeral
though.

-Ray Edwards

because you have money doesn't automatically mean you are rich...

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moniez

14 years ago

Tell criminal defense attorneys and people who own rehabilitation programs that "crime doesn't pay."

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Vanquish 14 years ago

Helping people works in the IM market because if your product works and it helps people achieve the results you say it will then they will keep coming back for more and you will have created a win/win situation.

However I do agree with Ray in the sense that our teachers are underpaid and it's sad because its the teachers who are suppose to inspire the generations to go out into the world and make a positive impact on society but with their lack of pay it becomes a difficult situation and most teachers lack the necessary enthusiasm and inspirational qualities to inspire the youth to reach their potential.
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thunderbird 14 years ago

Originally Posted by moniez

Tell criminal defense attorneys and people who own rehabilitation programs that "crime doesn't pay."

Or tell the CEO of Blackwater that crime doesn't pay.
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Winlin

14 years ago

One of my favorite sayings is "No good deed ever goes unpunished" It doesn't stop me from doing good deeds. But I do them knowing there is generally an additional burden beyond the initial offer to help.

As for crime doesn't pay... for most I'd say it can in the short term, but in the long term it is likely to end up badly.

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Loren Woirhaye

14 years ago

Actually it's working as an in-house "employee" that doesn't
particularly pay. Sure, there are exceptions for hotshots who
get headhunted, but for the rank and file college-educated
folk the price of the stable salary, the 401k and and benefits
is making a LOT less money, on average over one's lifetime.

I don't know which ear Dan Kennedy pulled the figure out of
but in one of his books he says that self-employed entrepreneurs
pay themselves about 500% what they would get as employees
with the same skills working for somebody else.

BTW: the word "employ" has the same root meaning as
"ploy" and "exploit". You figure it for yourself.

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Raydal

14 years ago

I guess that the article resonated with me because I've
worked in 2 of those lowest paying positions: Teacher
and Pastor. In you really have to make up your mind
that you are not in it for the money.

Even still as an entrepreneur I prefer helping people
to making a ton of money. (But that's not something
you want to say on a forum like this one.)

And the people you help often have very short memories
or think that you were "stupid" to help them when you
could have made a lot more money otherwise.

-Ray Edwards

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

Even still as an entrepreneur I prefer helping people to making a ton of money. (But that's not something you want to say on a forum like this one.)

Here's a good one for your PM reply swipe file.

"Just because I like helping people doesn't necessarily mean I'd like helping you."
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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

And the people you help often have very short memories
or think that you were "stupid" to help them when you
could have made a lot more money otherwise.

Ain't that the truth! I've given products to people who needed help before, and a surprising number show little appreciation. People that pay full price are nearly always more grateful than those you try to help free of charge.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

a surprising number show little appreciation.

I'm jealous of those people. When someone helps me out for free, I feel guilty about it forever. I wish I could just go "thanks for the help, sucka!" and run off like they do.

I'm only halfway joking about this.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I'm jealous of those people. When someone helps me out for free, I feel guilty about it forever. I wish I could just go "thanks for the help, sucka!" and run off like they do.

I'm only halfway joking about this.

That might be part of the problem, they don't want to feel obligated to someone else for helping them. Maybe in their mind they somehow rationalize that if they don't show any appreciation they don't have to feel like they need to reciprocate the kindness.

Don't know. I think a little more like you than them. I wouldn't say I feel guilty, but I definitely feel like I owe them one.

The thing is, the lack of appreciation doesn't seem to matter if the person asked me for help, or I offered them help because of their "story."

I'm starting to wonder if the sense of entitlement so many seem to have these days is rotting a lot more than ambition.

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Jon Tees

14 years ago

I help myself by helping others to help themselves. The old “give someone a hand out and they’ll keep coming back for another and another, but give someone a hand up and they’ll never need to ask you for money again.” saying definitely applies.

If you can provide a solution to someone’s problem you’ve got a dedicated customer or distributor for life (depending on what business you’re in.)

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brokenblade

14 years ago

Interesting, since I changed or found my true niche in self improvement, (I help people by offering advice and recommending good books to read on related matters) My revenue has begun to rise.

But then again, money isn't everything. There comes a point for us when we must decide what means more to us, money or improving lives. I'd die a little more peacefully as a street bum knowing that I have improved at least one person's life.

I wouldn't be able to live with myself as a rich man who has cheated others.

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Anon7

14 years ago

In the context of having a J.O.B. in those fields, it apparently isn't the best paying way to go. I guess some are willing to sacrifice that for their love of expression.

"Just because I like helping people doesn't necessarily mean I'd like helping you."

heh, heh... good one.

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FredJones 14 years ago

I would paraphrase the news mentioned by the OP: helping for free does not pay.

In other words, offering paid help does pay !!

EDIT: A rather poor joke - paying people helps (helps the payee and not the payer though)
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Marhelper

14 years ago

I know all about this as I was a Social Worker for many years.

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marcdonovan

14 years ago

"On a recent Yahoo news, Social work and elementary education
top the list for worst paying college degrees."

They always have. No surprise in that news. The people that go into those fields are not doing it for the money. They do it for the passion. A lot of marketers can't understand that since they have their head wrapped around dollar value of their time (even though most of them totally waste their time on junk)

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AwesomePossum

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

On a recent Yahoo news, Social work and elementary education
top the list for worst paying college degrees.

The writer concluded that crime doesn't pay and neither does
helping people.

If you are in the niche of helping people you can also expect
not to be paid much either--except in personal satisfaction.

As much as 'helping other people' is valued in words, it's not
when it comes to money.

So don't expect to get rich if you're really interested in
helping people. You will have more people at your funeral
though.

-Ray Edwards

Orrr you can help people with things they want....like to quit their jobs and develop a flexible schedule...

Orrr you could help people loose weight to build their self confidence and improve their self image and their happiness...

Orr you could help people in developing real relationships...

Those are all helping in the best ways and well...those are the 3 biggest industries.

Yeah it's personal satisfaction but if you get good at this you help a lot of people, you make a lot of money...and you have a lot more people at your funeral....if you can teach how to build relationships you can build strong ones yourself.

You can help people in smart ways...that's all I'm saying ; )

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Groovystar

14 years ago

If you never help anybody else do not expect them to ever help you.

...That said I feel grateful for anyone that helps me, free or paid. Currently I'm having a programmer do the works on my website. Paid but I still feel grateful for all the errors he is fixing and how he's making my site safer. The guy is a miracle worker and the job has no price to me.

and let not forget, doctors are also very helpful and they often earn a lot. I think there is little correlation here.

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warriorkay

14 years ago

But didn't the popular statement say...

When you HELP a lot more people to get
what they want, you get EVERYTHING you want...
including getting paid/money"

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AwesomePossum

14 years ago

Originally Posted by warriorkay

But didn't the popular statement say...

When you HELP a lot more people to get
what they want, you get EVERYTHING you want...
including getting paid/money"

?

Kingsley

Exactly!

I think helping people helps yourself...especially when you combine it with business.

That's why we're all here anyways...a better and happier life.

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Jim Gillum

14 years ago

From an old guy......helped many got scr**ed in return......

I will still continue to help for that one that says thanks....it is worth it...
It "feels" good and you forget the others....

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richgrad

14 years ago

It depends on what you are doing... Look at Tony Robbins for example... He's helping tons of people and he's getting paid like a king...

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Igor Kheifets

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

On a recent Yahoo news, Social work and elementary education
top the list for worst paying college degrees.

The writer concluded that crime doesn't pay and neither does
helping people.

If you are in the niche of helping people you can also expect
not to be paid much either--except in personal satisfaction.

As much as 'helping other people' is valued in words, it's not
when it comes to money.

So don't expect to get rich if you're really interested in
helping people. You will have more people at your funeral
though.

-Ray Edwards

Well, helping people for FREE won't make you rich-you got that right...

However, helping people FOR MONEY will make you very rich ...and very SATISFIED!

Igor

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