One warrior taking revenge on another warrior...

[J Bold]

Originally Posted by Hanz

Nobody is condoning the actions of the customer at all. Warrior A was completely wrong for doing what he did and should face consequences!

Hmmm, yeah, read my posts.

Anyway, and Warrior B certainly has had time to respond to the email chain he started. He could have said, "Whoops, sent the download link to original product, not the updated version!" But nope, he didn't. If he is truly selling an updated product, I think he'd be watching his mini-launch and correct this. As it is, he just seems like a used car salesman trying you to sell his previous customers the same car twice, just with a new coat of paint!

[Hanz]

I just read your posts redicelander. Interesting to say the least. It's too bad really that it came to that point. Treat your customers like gold they say. Words to live by.

[Fallen_Angel]

Hmmmmm
I am not sure who a or b or c d or e are but.......
B should refund dissatisfied customers and possibly sue a for pre launch costs etc...
A should be banned from warrior forum
c d and e probably just respond to the all powerful FREE word but i have no idea of details as some of u do.

[thriftgirl62]

email with everybody's address for the world to see, rather than bcc.

I almost fell out my chair when I read that....Warriors know better than that..these are fake warriors. Just like this story about cell phones exploding on the charger. 6 years later, these pictures still arrive with entire contact lists using CC: Spammers keep these warnings going around - can you imagine how much spam has been spread for the past 6 years?? Cellphone Safety and Mobile Tel Domains

Join Project Honey Pot to fight Spammers and catch more flies with honey.

As far as crooks go, the Police won't bother with a non-violent crime on such a small scale. In 1993 the minimum was $50,000 in losses before the District Attorney even investigates a non-violent crime. They will decide whether to prosecute AFTER you hire and pay for 3rd party auditors and CPA's to PROVE you have such a loss...even if the perpetrator has a previous prison record for embezzling $1.2 Million from a previous employer.

Bottom Line: Pursuing a conviction takes about as long as a crooks prison sentence will be for non-violent crimes. Actual time served will be about half the time spent on getting a conviction ...even with priors. In this case the total barely went over the $50,000 mark by about $45.00 - we got lucky didn't we?!! I specialize in the games scammers play soooo.... if you ever suspect one, tell me and I'll find out & even include the recipe for you. No charge!

[Floyd Fisher]

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

I received an email today from an unknown guy who took a WSO and freely distribute to everybody.


The story from the email is...

This person (warrior A) bought a WSO product from the seller (warrior B) . Warrior A isn't happy with the product and asks for a refund from warrior B.

After many emails from warrior A to warrior B, there hasn't been a response. So warrior A mass mail to everyone warrior B's WSO product as a form of 'revenge'.

Warrior A sent to over 360 names in the list, from what I see.

Just because warrior A sent "3 emails over the last 4 days" to warrior B and the emails weren't replied.


Guess what's next?

Warrior C, who was in the list, supported warrior A's action.
Warrior D, who was also in the list, supported warrior A's action and also sells his services, claiming to be better
Warrior E, who was also in the list, thank warrior A's action because he was about to buy but saw the free product.


Do you know what I think of the whole episode?

Warrior A, you are sick!!!
Warrior C, D & E, low-life thinkers!

If this is the path you guys take, please remove your warrior's ID and ban yourself from participating this forum.

We have enough of sicko warriors here!

Since you know about this, have you alerted the mods here?

Not sure what can be done, but at least one of them deserves an IP ban.

[Kay King]

Ricelander - No one is defending either one of these lowlifes. It's sad that so many seem to have purchased from a seller with so little knowledge that he would reveal email addresses. It's equally sad that anyone would think a stunt like sending a product that is not your own (no matter who he sent it to) is justified in any way. This is like a school yard fight between two wimps with no bully involved. kay

[All Night Cafe]

Stealing is stealing any way you look at it.

We have to honor our guaranties.

But no one has the right to deliver our material
for free to anyone. That marketer, no matter
what he says, happen needs to be taken down.

[DougBarger]

Anyone else think it's just a little weird that all the warriors involved just happened to choose pennames that are pretty close to the same?

ie. "Warrior A", "Warrior B", "Warrior C", "Warrior D", "Warrior E"

come on now,

what are the odds of that happening?

[Emily Meeks]

Originally Posted by Kay King

This is like a school yard fight between two wimps with no bully involved.

Haha - that's EXACTLY what I was gonna say.

There's no other word for it - the entire situation is retarded. All Wimps (they officially lost their title as Warriors) involved need to be banned.

Wimp A - that is NOT how you handle an ignored request for a refund. In case you haven't noticed, there's no "Download" section of the WF where you can get pirated products for free.

Wimp B - WTF - does the CAN-SPAM act mean anything to you? Has it occurred to you that sharing other people's email addresses without their consent is not only bothersome, but illegal?

Wimps C-Z - YOU'RE NOT HELPING!

[timpears]

It is pretty sad to know that people will do this type of thing. But even sadder that they are Warriors, or is that they are members of The Warrior Forum. They aren't really Warriors, or they wouldn't do that.

But, what are you gonna do? Just part of life for an internet marketer I guess. You are always going to havef to deal with scum bags.

[TimGross]

Originally Posted by TimG

Karma will end up striking all parties involved:
Warrior B for not providing refund

Taken from the OP: "Warrior A sent "3 emails over the last 4 days" to warrior B and the emails weren't replied."

Just a reminder: Anyone doing business online long enough will run into a problem communicating with a specific customer at some point. Everyone always assumes their email went through and was received, but of course it's not always the case.

Off the top of my head:

-Customer sends email to the wrong place
-Customer thought they sent email (or you thought you emailed back) but it stayed in the queue unsent for some reason and was never actually sent out.
-Their email goes to your spam folder or gets blocked by spam filters
-Your help desk glitches and doesn't record their ticket
-Your new customer support person is an idiot and accidentally deletes it
-Random glitches of some kind

...And finally, even if "B" did receive the emails but was overwhelmed with other things or was simply lazy, there's no law against that. We all get used to wanting instant response when we contact an online business, but there's no law that says a customer support email must be answered in 4 days, and there definitely isn't a law stating that refunds must be given within 96 hours of receiving the request.

I'm just saying; Without more information, I'm surprised that business owners aren't giving someone else the benefit of the doubt. I've done enough volume of sales to know that mistakes/glitches happen to the best of us.

(Edit/Add: A few people in this thread are attributing things to Warrior B that are either incorrect (not what was described by the OP) or else maybe they have inside info because they were involved with the situation, I'm not sure...)

[Louise Green]

Have you let the person who's product was stolen know about it?

I'd want to know if it was me, and I'd take legal action.

[Sandor Verebi]

Originally Posted by TimGross

[INDENT] ... Anyone doing business online long enough will run into a problem communicating with a specific customer at some point...

Yes, you cannot to avoid that. I suppose that experienced person can handle that situation proper way.

...And finally, even if "B" did receive the emails but was overwhelmed with other things or was simply lazy, there's no law against that. We all get used to wanting instant response when we contact an online business, but there's no law that says a customer support email must be answered in 4 days, and there definitely isn't a law stating that refunds must be given within 96 hours of receiving the request.

Without knowing the facts of the OPs story: really, we are living in accelerated times. But, on the other hand, this does not entitle us for the theft which happened in the present case.

I'm just saying; Without more information, I'm surprised that business owners aren't giving someone else the benefit of the doubt. I've done enough volume of sales to know that mistakes/glitches happen to the best of us...

As above stated: there are who mature in time, some later, some never. It would not be necessary to doing business in the deficiency of maturity.

Have a nice weekend,

Sandor

[peter gibson]

Someone above me said the best. "warrior A should be reported and banned".

I would also add that no matter how you try and spin this back on Warrior B, theft is theft. If enough people did something about these immature knuckleheads, there'd be a lot less theft to deal with IMO. E. Brian Rose is absolutely right, courts don't look at it as any sort of lost customer issue, they look at the theft of property and deal with it based on that. Warrior B should be taking aggressive legal action and pursue a criminal charge.

Also worth noting to those who insist that bad customer support somehow justifies this, how does anyone know why there was no response from Warrior B? Perhaps he lost his legs in a car accident or had another of lifes many inadvertent tragedies to deal with. Worst case scenario Warrior B is a knob and just decided to avoid the emails, it wouldn't give me the right to break into his house and steal his puppy, yes? There were many more productive and less juvenile ways to deal with bad customer service, none of which involve breaking the law.

[TheGraduate]

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

I received an email today from an unknown guy who took a WSO and freely distribute to everybody.


The story from the email is...

This person (warrior A) bought a WSO product from the seller (warrior B) . Warrior A isn't happy with the product and asks for a refund from warrior B.

After many emails from warrior A to warrior B, there hasn't been a response. So warrior A mass mail to everyone warrior B's WSO product as a form of 'revenge'.

Warrior A sent to over 360 names in the list, from what I see.

Just because warrior A sent "3 emails over the last 4 days" to warrior B and the emails weren't replied.


Guess what's next?

Warrior C, who was in the list, supported warrior A's action.
Warrior D, who was also in the list, supported warrior A's action and also sells his services, claiming to be better
Warrior E, who was also in the list, thank warrior A's action because he was about to buy but saw the free product.


Do you know what I think of the whole episode?

Warrior A, you are sick!!!
Warrior C, D & E, low-life thinkers!

If this is the path you guys take, please remove your warrior's ID and ban yourself from participating this forum.

We have enough of sicko warriors here!

How do you have access to know to how many people the offer was sent to?

And how do you know about warrior C, D, and E 's actions, this sounds kind of "hackery" to me

Only a hacker could have access to such information