Are You Legal? $200 Can Save You about $10,000

by tecHead

Posted: 14 years ago 14 replies

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Over the years I've been a Warrior, I've seen more than a few come on the forum and ask legal advice. Now, granted.. there are (I think) one or two lawyers that are Warriors; (and I have nothing against them); but, getting on a semi-public forum and asking about something as important and vital to your business as legal advice doesn't seem to be very wise, to me.

I'm just sayin'.

As an alternative, however...
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Business-in-a-box, (IMHO), is one of the more complete legal document system on the net, (that I've found). It pretty much covers everything you'll ever need to cover (front line) legally, for your business and business ventures. From Contracts to Privacy Statements and the like.

One of the things I like the most about it is that it utilizes a template system; whereas, instead of copying and pasting someone else's document from their website; (which is kinna unethical IF they PAID for those words); you fill out a form and customize your legal docs to your business.

Check 'em out. I don't think you'll regret it; sound investment to the longevity of your business.

(no, that's not an affiliate link nor am I affiliated with them besides being a Customer)

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E. Brian Rose 14 years ago

Funny, I read an article about them not too long ago and then just yesterday a friend told me he was using that site.

Lol, this is starting to sound like a fake bot thread.

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kindsvater 14 years ago

I have a better title for this thread: How a Well-Meaning Warrior Can Cost You $500,200.

There's a reason why I created the Webmaster's Legal Guide. For those that may recall, there were websites offering generic website terms that did little, if anything, to protect the website owner. Some could be considered extremely damaging.

I had a case, that literally morphed into 5 different cases strewn across different courts in two different states, costing a company about $500,000, in part because one must-have statement in the legal terms was missing.

Something I consider a must-have for any website owner.

I just checked the document pertaining to the website legal terms offered by Biztree with their Biz in a Box.

Big surprise. For $200 you too can get legal terms that omit this must-have statement.

Could be wrong, but I don't think the forms they are offering were prepared by an attorney.

That's why if you want to be "legal" and to save your butt, you get something from a real attorney and not 'biztree'.

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tecHead

14 years ago

Well, gee... thanks for bashing the well intentioned and not providing the information you're talking about; guess I'd have to pay you for that "set of words" called a 'name', huh? ::sheesh::

For those that are reading this thread... I DO recommend speaking to an actual attorney... I am not an attorney and I do not have a legal degree... information provided in this thread is for entertainment purposes and should not be construed as legal advise; (even from its comment gallery).

Use wise judgment always

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kindsvater

14 years ago

tecHead - sorry, didn't mean for you to feel you were being bashed. It can be extremely frustrating to see threads like that and know some Warriors are going to read it and think that product will make them "legal" and save them a lot of money.

Where you have been the last few years?

I've now had a chance to review a few more biztree forms.

- One is flat illegal to use in California.

- I haven't seen a single form a webmaster may use with the necessary terms that any competent attorney would include.

It's not just a 'set of words' - but having specific provisions and understanding what purpose they serve and why you have those legal terms.

While I give out a lot of free tips on the forum, I cannot put a full legal guide in a post. And, for various reasons I don't provide legal advice on the forum, and that would include going through the biztree forms and explaining their problems and what needs to be fixed. Then someone might think those forms are ok to use.

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tecHead

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Thanks for that; you're still good peops in my book, bro.

A company snatched me up and put me under lock and key for a couple years. We parted ways recently and I'm back to the freelance thing... actually seriously thinking about doing my own thing.

Wanna hook up and make a mint?

Originally Posted by kindsvater

I've now had a chance to review a few more biztree forms.

- One is flat illegal to use in California.

- I haven't seen a single form a webmaster may use with the necessary terms that any competent attorney would include.

It's not just a 'set of words' - but having specific provisions and understanding what purpose they serve and why you have those legal terms.

While I give out a lot of free tips on the forum, I cannot put a full legal guide in a post. And, for various reasons I don't provide legal advice on the forum, and that would include going through the biztree forms and explaining their problems and what needs to be fixed. Then someone might think those forms are ok to use.

See, now that explanation I can get behind. I wasn't necessarily probing you to give free legal advise; your post just left me under the, (not understood to be false), impression that you were purposely holding back something more simple.

If, in fact, the BizTree system will do more harm than good then by all means guide us lesser legal minded blokes to the right mind set.

Since you're Webmaster thing is only $97 (one time), then maybe I should be endorsing your option, huh?

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kindsvater 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tecHead

A company snatched me up and put me under lock and key for a couple years.

You probably have a million great ideas to unload at this point. I think you need to have a brain dump over the next hour.

If you have a employee non-compete, that is the biztree form which is illegal in California. Of course, my standard non-compete analysis flowing from that simple statement is 20 pages long! Full of tips and strategies for analyzing, dealing with and circumventing the non-compete. That is problem - the law is too complex to properly discuss in a forum.

(maximus - only a $97 access fee at my law office website)

I do agree with AllAboutAction, generic forms are a good starting point.

tecHead - tomorrow I will PM you tomorrow with what you need to add to your perfectprogram TOS.

Here's a brief tip I've mentioned before - 'are you legal' in part means you're trying to protect yourself from something. To do that I recommend going broad and also being specific.

First, try to broadly cover your butt for anything - including stuff you've never thought of. Then, be specific and simply and plainly address the issue you're concerned with.
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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tecHead

You can head over to this site --> Business-in-a-Box | The World's #1 Business Documents Templates Software!

OMFG IT'S BIZTREE!

BizTree licensed their fill-in-the-blanks legal forms engine from Legal+Plus Software Group in 2001.

I was LPSG's lead Windows developer.

I'm sure they've replaced most, if not all, of the engine in the nine years since then... but man, what a blast from the past.

Oh, and yeah, the software is pretty sweet.
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maximus242

14 years ago

>.>

Talk about shameless self promotion, how about posting a warrior forum classified ad instead of blatantly trying to pitch your products in the forum?

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tecHead

14 years ago

Originally Posted by maximus242

>.>

Talk about shameless self promotion, how about posting a warrior forum classified ad instead of blatantly trying to pitch your products in the forum?

... and this is why some newbies get bashed over the head with verbal bats... ::sigh::

ignorance is bliss

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AllAboutAction 14 years ago

Thanks tecHead and Kindsvater (great WSO btw!). I can see a use for this product to a) get an idea of what's out there and b) to get my attorney started without paying him to draft a document, even though I know he just gets one out of the can and charges me as if he were writing it from scratch.

That reminds me, time to get another attorney.
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maximus242

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tecHead

... and this is why some newbies get bashed over the head with verbal bats... ::sigh::

ignorance is bliss

Ahem

"There's a reason why I created the Webmaster's Legal Guide. For those that may recall, there were websites offering generic website terms that did little, if anything, to protect the website owner. Some could be considered extremely damaging."

The dude owns a legal guide then starts pitching it. Want to talk about being ignorant?

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Johnny Slater

14 years ago

First, he wasn't pitching his product. He was saying that posts like this threads OP are what prompted him to create his product.

Second, he is an actual lawyer, he has been an asset to the forum for many years, and he regularly gives advice here when he sees bad or clearly false legal advice being thrown around.

Third, even if he was pitching his product, as a time tested valuable contributor to the forum he would be given leway. Quite a few of the long standing members mention their products in threads where the product answers a specific issue being discussed. Thats one of the benefits of having a long history of putting the well being of forum members ahead of personal gain.

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by maximus242

Talk about shameless self promotion, how about posting a warrior forum classified ad instead of blatantly trying to pitch your products in the forum?

I can say with some certainty that tecHead isn't affiliated with BizTree.

It looks to me like Kindsvater isn't, either.
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blalock61 14 years ago

I would like to add that if you live in the USA, I would suggest that you also contact and remain in contact with your local Small Business Development Office. They are an invaluable asset to you and your business.

You can get both free and low-cost business development, counseling, and training from them. Use them wisely. Visit the link below, to find your local office.

US Small Business Development Office
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