Why Not 'Direct Response Marketing'?

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Hello Folks

This thread, I predict, will either fall flat on its face or get some really great discussions going, but probably nothing much in between.

We call this business we're in Internet Marketing or IM for short. I think Direct Response Marketing is a better way to describe what we do (and, no, here I'm not threatening to shorten it to DRM!).

Because when you think about it, except for membership sites and eBay, hardly anybody really markets on the Internet, it's just a convenient place to take orders and sometimes leave messages for some of our customers.

Perhaps if you have an humungous list and you launch products using email messages to all - and never, ever send out a snail mail letter, you can describe yourself as an IM; otherwise, I don't think so (and how did you build the list in the first place, really?).

If you built your list using classified ads in newspapers and magazines, or if you rented mailing lists you wouldn't describe yourself as a classified ad marketer or a mailing list marketer, would you?

Amazon is a huge success on the Internet but some of you may remember way back in the dim and distant past - the mid-'90s - when Amazon was losing money hand over fist and you saw their ads regularly on television. No Internet marketing there.

Clearly re-naming something doesn't change the reality, but re-naming something can, in fact, shift our perspective in useful ways.

This change in perspective may be particularly helpful for newbies. When we call ourselves IMs the emphasis for these folks too often seems to be about domain names, home pages, squeeze pages, etc, when it should be on niches, markets, products, lists, etc. A reading from any sample of Forum posts from newbies will support this.

Good market research and product design are where it starts, not with a clever domain name and a spectacular web page. Yes, a good domain name is helpful and excellent copy is crucial, but this is not where the process should begin.

Thanks for listening.

All the best.

Warmest regards
Bill
#direct #marketing #response
  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
    Lol, I wrote a huge post and just deleted it.

    This is not worth the time to respond to.

    Bottom line, your incorrect...and your view of what IM is, is very skewed from the truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rice-Johnston
      Originally Posted by JoshuaG View Post

      Lol, I wrote a huge post and just deleted it.

      This is not worth the time to respond to.

      Bottom line, your incorrect...and your view of what IM is, is very skewed from the truth.
      Hello Joshua G

      So, tell me then, please, what, precisely is an Internet marketer?

      All the best.

      Warmest regards
      Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Bill,

    Marketing is officially defined as:

    "The activities of a company associated with buying and selling a product or service. It includes advertising, selling and delivering products to people. People who work in marketing departments of companies try to get the attention of target audiences by using slogans, packaging design, celebrity endorsements and general media exposure. The four 'Ps' of marketing are product, place, price and promotion."

    I think that just about covers all angles. Bottom line, marketing simply means to develop and position a product within a marketplace, and get it into people's hands.

    And under that umbrella, all of your sales, advertising, branding, traffic etc, all falls.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      I think a lot of what gets discussed on here definitely represents a form of direct response marketing. Personally I think "Internet Marketing" the way it's often used by people should be ditched in favor of what your business actually does. If you sell information products, you should say you sell information products, not "I'm an internet marketer". After all, the guy who owns the pizza shop up the street from you and has people put up flyers around the neighborhood doesn't go "I'm an offline marketer". He tells you what his actual business is about.
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  • Profile picture of the author winebuddy
    Bill - you are correct in many ways.

    There is a guy in Ohio that wrote "7 Steps to Freedom" and it was in the early 70s and was all about DRM. However, you could just take what he did and put it online and we would call it IM.

    Just because the medium for communication has changed, I really don't think that what we are trying to accomplish has changed...

    We are STILL putting up Sales/Ad pages and asking the customer to buy right then and there.

    A variation in the Pre-Launch sequence which is a longer drawn out sales message via email, video, and downloads.

    While this takes place over a longer period of time and is not just a one shot sales page, it still tries to evoke a response from the customer and the response is to take out the CC and buy.

    I like your post but I don't think it's going to change us - we are still IMErs :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Bill, I agree with your premise, but I believe the jargon is entrenched enough that anyone who uses the Internet to market or promote something will be called an Internet Marketer or IMer.

      I do enjoy twisting peoples' tails occasionally, so to JoshuaG...

      If you are indeed an "Internet Marketer", how many Internets have you sold this year so far?
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        The term "Direct Response Marketing" just describes the process of marketing direct to the prospect, rather than via an intermediary. It applies to online and offline marketing.

        It's popular on the internet because of the comparatively lower costs involved and the faster test results achievable.

        But the term doesn't define internet marketing any more than it defines offline marketing.


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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    You say tomato... I say tomahto....

    I don't think there's really anything wrong with the nomenclature per se as it's understood by those who engage in it.

    One describes the activity, one describes the toolset. The direct response aspect of internet marketing is implied, as most folks understand how it works. "Internet Marketing" is easier than saying, "Direct Response Marketing Using The Internet As The Medium".

    I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement that "nobody markets on the internet" though.

    All forms of marketing are represented on the internet, from direct response, to branding, to channel marketing, to integrated marketing, to word of mouth marketing, to event markeitng, etc...
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      You say tomato... I say tomahto....
      .... Let's call the whole thing off.
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  • Profile picture of the author revjoe
    Direct response is the core of Internet Marketing but it is only one piece of the puzzle.
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