The Yin- Yang of the Warrior Forum

by ozduc
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Whenever I come to the forum to browse there is a almost always a post in the Main discussion forum about "how to make money fast" or "I need xxxx amount of money by next month" along with a bunch of other headlines that all are basically asking the same thing.
Invariably they get the same type of answer and that is usually something along the lines of "there is no fast easy way" or "what makes you think you can start a business and make money right away" or it takes time and patience along with skill and mindset"
Now there is nothing wrong with these answers per se but the irony is, if you look in the sig file of some of the warriors giving these type of answers, quite often you'll find a link to their WSO which has big headlines like "See how easy it is to make $10k a month, you to can do it with a few hours work a day" or "let me show you how to rank #1 in Google in two minutes flat" etc. etc.
So I guess after browsing the WSO section for a while it is no wonder so many newbies come to the main discussion with these types of question.
#forum #warrior #yang #yin
  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    My signature doesn't have anything like that

    EDIT: Here's the thing, experienced marketers can make 10K a month
    but a person who started yesterday can't (there can be exception but not many).

    If I were to make 10K this month, I know what I should be doing because I have made
    money online in the past and it is easy for me to duplicate what I did. But for a complete
    newbie, it would be extremely hard. He would have no clue about what he should be doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    people will ask the same question over and over again and we will continue to give the same answers.
    The main thing is the people that ask these questions have to start doing something or they will keep asking again and again and they will still wonder why nothing is happening.
    In my signature I offer to help people for free and they still do not take advantage of it, if you still do not want to make any money in internet marketing keep on doing nothing.
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    Something new soon.

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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    Yup, good things doesn't happen over a night. You should work hard with a good mind set of where you are and where you are going.
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  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    I'd just like to point out a couple things:

    1) I once got onto the first page of Google within minutes. It dropped off within a few hours, but I nevertheless achieved 1st page rankings.

    2) You'd be surprised how far a few hours per day will get you. If you spend it reading emails and forum posts, you might not get too far. But if you spend it wisely, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to make $10K/month.

    Curtis
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  • Profile picture of the author tyroneshum
    There are no shortcuts especially in Internet Marketing. You have to take time learning things, take action and learn again from good and bad experiences. Otherwise, taking the short route would only lead you to different purchasing automated software and then wasting a lot of money in the end as you start all over again (because you get banned in the process).

    I hope this helps too.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Well, apparently there is a huge market of people who want and crave those types of headlines. They fall for it big time. Over and over again. They're chasing a dream that doesn't really exist. The fact is, making money online takes and plan and hard work, and there are many different approaches to doing it, but rarely will you find a magic system that delivers what it promises.
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  • Profile picture of the author MalloryMedia
    If it were truly that easy to make 10k a month as a total newbie, everybody would be doing it. Business building is business building. Even if you're fast, it will still take months.

    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author DeadGuy
      These questions will always appear here in abundance. And actually they are legitimate questions to ask. We've all had them when we started out. Hands down, the biggest hurdle for newbies to overcome is the learning curve. Some will get through it, others won't. Those who do make it are those who resign themselves to the fact that there are well documented steps to follow, the need to learn what works effectively for them, no effective get rich methods, and a lot of hard work ahead of them.
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      You are making this work at home stuff way harder than it is. Ready for some sanity? Clear your head and start over.

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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    People are looking for that magic button all the time ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    hmmm im probably going to regret this post... But ho hum

    Scenario A

    A "shiny object" person sees 2 products that could make them money

    product A has a headline that says...

    Yes you can make $10,000 a month even if you cant read or write, are fresh out of jail and have no internet connection.

    product B has a headline that says...

    tired of all the BS and hype, want a product that can... after a whole lot of blood sweat and tears and a lot of effort could possibly make up to $10,000 a month (if you work hard)

    And Taking the view that said shiny object person wont use either product, even though both would get them the result the headlines promised (IE $10,000 a month if they followed the plan)

    Isnt it better to use headline A to get them into your product which you know will work, than it is to use headline B and have them fall into the clutches of someone who uses Headline A but never delivers.

    Hype isnt a bad thing, bold promises aren't a bad thing if the product can deliver on them, if the buyer takes the steps neccassary (hopefully we can agree the buyer has to take the steps what ever the headline).

    My thinking as a product owner who knows the results we promise are not only achievable, but are being achieved, and in some cases being superceeded. That I would much rather the dream buyers buy my products than those of the less ethical product owners out there.

    By not using hype to get people into your program (assuming your program/product can fulfill thier dream) your helping to put them in the clutches of the bad guys.

    If you are proud of your product and know it can change peoples lives then you owe it to them to do everything in your power to get them to buy it.

    Robert

    PS: Going to put feet up and watch this thread with interest
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      My thinking as a product owner who knows the results we promise are not only achievable, but are being achieved, and in some cases being superceeded. That I would much rather the dream buyers buy my products than those of the less ethical product owners out there.

      By not using hype to get people into your program (assuming your program/product can fulfill thier dream) your helping to put them in the clutches of the bad guys.

      If you are proud of your product and know it can change peoples lives then you owe it to them to do everything in your power to get them to buy it.

      Robert

      PS: Going to put feet up and watch this thread with interest
      Herein lies the problem as I see it. In shiny object A you are luring them in with a promise of a certain dollar figure. You say it's achievable, and who knows ... maybe you have a product that people are coming back and saying ... wow, dude. I just made $50,000 this month, just like you said I would. But that is not what I am hearing in this forum or in the WSO threads. I've read through to the end of quite a few and I have never run across one of them where the actual newbies (not the shills) have come back and said they were making what the sales page claimed they would.

      Think about it ... I've seen some noobs nearly piss their pants because they made $2 in Adsense or $9.99 in clickbank and they come in here and tell us and we all congratulate them. Can you imagine the threads if they really had made any significant money with one of the shiny object A's? I mean, they would be beside themselves.

      But we don't have to look very hard for all the threads with noobs whining that they bought this and that and now it's 2 years later and they haven't made a dime .... the normal response of course is for everyone to just say ...well, you gotta do something for it to work. I'm sure some of them have tried the methods out and no matter how hard they tried, they're nowhere near to $50,000 or even $20.

      Shiny Object B is just as bad because it also has a specific income promise. If you remove that, it appeals to a different market than Shiny Object A and that is the market who is fed up with promises and want to a step by step process that will help them to get something going. These people are through chasing the dream, so to speak. They're ready to buckle down and get to ... er ... yes, work.

      I prefer the second Shiny Object B market because my products tend to be more like technical manuals rather than "secret methods". My customers are rarely disappointed in the product. I haven't made them any promises, but I've given them how to information that they are sorely lacking.

      Seriously, I don't want to attract the Shiny Object A people because I don't want people thinking that I lied to them or being disappointed because it didn't work for them.
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      • Profile picture of the author ozduc
        @ Robert Puddy,
        Great response Robert and I agree with a lot of what you say.
        I guess one of the points of my OP was to say, why don't the warriors that have some of these WSO's running, if they really believe in their product, then say to the newbie asking those types of questions, Hey check out the WSO in my sig file, it has what you're looking for.
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        • Profile picture of the author meganeven
          What are you guys talking about? I made 10K my first WEEK working. Easy. Simple. You just have to build a time machine and do the week over and over and layer your work on top of itself. Duh.
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