ELO, bit of 'confusion'

I smell hypocrasy.

In some quarters, using the term "3rd world" is quite offensive, colonial and patronizing. Very 1970/80s

Terms like overseas, developing world, emerging market world etc. are much more acceptable.

Imagine 30 years from now when China and possibly India are the first and second biggest economies and someone from there emails you telling you in the USA that you are 3rd world.

(Yes I now that 3rd world does not relate to economy size, but just trying to make a point)

You don't very often see CEOs or owners of big companies running to message boards to complain about their prospects. Food for thought.

not wise to insult your peers

Yes, but an hourly fee of $15/hour, from an experienced web developer in the UK, is GOOD.

Exactly what I'm talking about hahaahaha have you seen some of the trash above? The inevitable inner-thread dispute about something which really doesn't matter in the slightest.

I'm not simply whining here, I'm making a very important point - these forums aren't for little kiddies but they attract so many immature morons it's unbearable. The trash you have to read through.

..and I guess it was foolish to throw about the term but I AM a developer and work with many 3d world developers and both parties use this vocabulary. I think whoever said that above....*whine whine whine*...

you're right, that is whiney. I'm sorry, didn't mean to cause offense but I must be getting the wrong idea about this forum. I thought it was for business minded people - you know, mature professionals with drive.

Damien,

As a content and copywriter I can understand your frustration with this. I charge relatively high rates, not the highest by any means, but I don't work for peanuts either. I very often get people who are turned off by what I'm charging. There was a time when I used to let it bother me. I got over it. I have clients who are more than willing to pay my rates, if I didn't have that I wouldn't be eating very often. So the ones that are seemingly offended by my rates I kindly redirect to a writer or area of writers who will fit into their budget.

I think the real problem that people have with your post here has nothing to do with it being "whiney". It has everything to do with it being hypocritical, and in all honesty, bad for your business. Here's why. You had a member of this forum seek you out for work. A deal wasn't able to reached. So instead of keeping it to yourself, you made a rather divisive post about the entire situation. On top of that you did it in the name of professionalism and maturity.

In effect what you did was call out a potential customer for being cheap, most likely eliminating that person as a future customer should that ever change. By calling them out in public, you have now alienated an unknown number of other customers because, quite frankly, your post comes off as childish and very unprofessional. Let's be honest for a second. There aren't many people in the world that can say their skills are so superior to everyone else that it doesn't matter how they come off. What your post implies is that you are difficult to work with. That in and of itself will lose you a ton of business before you even step foot in the door.

Next time you may be better off choosing to rant somewhere other than where your customers hang out. You don't see Steve Jobs going into Best Buy and reaming out a customer who thinks the iphone is too expensive and chooses another brand.

And no I was not the member who contacted Damien.

I think you do have the wrong idea about the forum.

This isn't 'business' forum - it's an open marketing forum where anyone can join.

There are teenagers here who haven't left school let alone learned what business is like.

So I think it's unrealistic to expect that everyone here is running a business or even thinks of what they do as a business.

It's a public forum and we get pretty a full slice of society the good and the bad.

No problem guy. Like I said I completely understand the frustration, and yes I know that the rates you charge are pretty darn low for a professional designer AND programmer.

I hope I didn't come off as a jerk, that wasn't my intent, only trying to help a fellow member out if i could.

So you had your rant and showed your butt and were called about...got pi$$ed, flagged me and then went back and changed your message and your tune? I'm 45 years old and have children older than you. Read your PM and take it to heart