UK based newbie's thoughts and questions

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Ok, to be honest it's mostly going to be questions, but hopefully fairly insightful and direct questions, not "how duz i makes money on the interwebz". I primarily make micro niche sites, rank them in google for adsense and affiliate sales income. I have had limited success, I'm a newbie. I have invested a mere £20 and so far, in 3 months have made £50 or so. Not great, but I've covered my costs and learned from my mistakes.

I'll preface this first by saying I'm based in the UK. From the research I've done, the numbers seem to add up differently here. In the US and Canada, where I presure most people on these forums are from, you have a farily large "local" userbase, 300 million people in the US alone, to visit your site, and click on you're ads/affiliate links/purchase you're product etc. UK more like 60 mil.

Ok so first question, say I have a .com that is hosted on a UK server (I use free hosting for my sites at 000 webhost, which seems to work ok for me) if an US based user searched for my targeted keyword, would they get my site displayed in their search results, with the same authroity it would in the UK? Or phrased a different way, does hosting location affect google rankings?

Next question. Why do article marketing? I've read a lot about it but not tried it yet. I'm going to create a linkwheel with article for some of my new sites, but I have a few questions. Who the hell reads articles? I am a veterain internet user, and I have never in my life, searched for something, been linked to ezine or whatever, and read an article. Is it merely for backlinks with a contextual content page with an anchored back links?

I'll slip in a though here so I don't seem too greedy .info's are useless for google rankings. I have done a lot of searching and found no definitive answer, so here we go. My first website was a .co.uk. It has made by far the most money, ranked high after a few weeks. The last batch I bought was 3x .info. They never ranked after 2 months. Similar competion, similar subject, similar site layout and content. .com and .co.uk seem to be on equal footing, not tried .net or .org. Hope that helps someone, I wasted money with those domains and I will never buy another .info unless i'm buying traffic or cpc.

Can someone explain social bookmarking and pinging for me. I have struggled to find much information. From what I can make out, social bookmarking is going to a social networking site, face book for example and linking you're site in a status update, for a backlink. I may be wrong but that how it seems. I just do not understand pinging though. I know what a ping is, I work in IT, but I don't understand the process or benefit of pinging a wordpress post. A basic explanation would be helpful.

One last question, can you serve different java code based on geographical location. I use easy content units for some price comparrison sectsions on my sites. This stops my sites looking like made for adsense sites and also, has earned me £20 in affiliate commission, not bad. Bassically, If I get a us visitor to my site, can I displayed a unit with links to US affiliates and a UK user UK based affiliates?

I know it's a lot of questions, but I would think most noobies struggle with these questions too and would be beneficial for a lot of people.

Also if anyone who is even more new to this than me and has any questions, they think I could answer for them go for it, I'll do my best.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM
    It used to be that server location did make a difference to SEO. I'm not sure if it's still the case though. However, if you register you sites in Googles Webmaster Tools you can set a target geographical market. I have some .org and .net micro-niche sites that are UK hosted, but perform better in US SERPs by doing this. A US based hosting account might further improve SERPs, but I doubt it.
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    • Profile picture of the author bmstalker
      Ok cool, I have my sites tied in with the webmaster tools, but I didn't see that option. However, I wouldn't want to limit my market I guees, I'd rather have equal footing on both UK and US search results.
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  • Profile picture of the author wDigital
    bmstalker, I think you are under estimating your own skills.

    Here is my opinion....

    If you invested £20 and made £50, that is a handsome return. Don't think of the amount, "yet" - think about the method you used and scale it up.

    Why not create more of these niche sites and turn say £50 a site to 10 niche sites making £500?

    That would be roughly $750, then you could start outsourcing your "method" with the profit to do this over, and over again with less of your time.....

    I take my hat of to you for what you have achieved so far, many haven't made a $ yet, so good on you buddy.
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    • Profile picture of the author jverley
      As for the google UK vs. US question, I don't think it would make any real difference. You serp's would be different between the two of course though.
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      • Profile picture of the author NeilC
        Just social bookmarking is not really that effective for search engine rankings on its own but it helps get your website "noticed" and you do need a variety of links,

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  • Profile picture of the author redflea13
    Article marketing helps build content which increases your sites authority. It helps with getting your site found by search engines. It also helps with getting backlinks. If you social bookmark your site and the articles that will also improve your page rank. Social bookmarking is a way to save a link for people to find it again. If your site is bookmarked by a bunch of different people that tells search engines that people like your site. For a list of social bookmarking sites check out this link.
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    • Profile picture of the author jbento
      For understanding a little what social marketing is good for, read the post Social Bookmarking in my blog. There you may find some answers.

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  • Profile picture of the author bmstalker
    wDigital, I am hearteded by the fact I have made a profit, I only really have 4 sites, and only 1makes me the real money. I am slightly ri-jigging the site so more people will click my google ads and not my easy content units. I have had 180 clicks on easy content units that could have neted me more through adsense. So I picked up another 6 .coms and am going to do these as succesfully as possible. I am going to attempt article marketing this time.

    NeilC. I don't mean to sound nitpicky but is that fact? You need some links from blog comments, maybe some angela's style profile backlinks, some article backlinks etc, what other kinds are there? Thanks for the reply, I'm trying to get this all down in my head in a logical way.

    Redflea13 - Ok I get what you are saying, I know this sounds needy, but you seems to know what you're talking about. I can't find that list of social bookmarking sites, can you very looslyl lay out a step by step process to social bookmark a site on one bookmarking site, so I can understand it more easily, again thanks for the reply and the info.
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    As for domains and hosting-no real significant difference as for
    where your server is located. Internet connections these days are
    so fast that it doesn't matter whether the server is in UK or USA.

    Article Marketing.

    People who do research on the internet read articles. That's a fact.
    Besides, with the amount of SEO authority some article directories have
    it's stupid not to use it.

    Social Bookmarking.

    Social Bookmarking is just like bookmarking a page on your pc only it's public.
    It helps because search engines love social bookmarking sites. If your site is bookmarked
    it has a chance of getting indexed by google within minutes from submission.

    Pinging is a way of notifying different blogging based services of new
    content on your site. Also good for fast indexing.

    Igor
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  • Profile picture of the author scattermouse
    Hi bmstalker,

    Firstly, thanks for actually asking sensible questions. It really does make it much easier to help when you've set out a plan for yourself and just need a little advice around the edges.

    I'm not really an SEO guy, so I'll leave those questions to people more qualified.

    Social networking and social bookmarking aren't the same thing - facebook is a networking site, digg is a bookmarking site. The bookmarking sites allow you to submit stories or webpages that you think may be interesting to others. Since Google crawls digg so often, your site gets indexed in the SERPs that much quicker.

    The link itself may be helpful as well - like I said, I'm no SEO expert

    Article marketing does produce traffic as well as backlinks, normally by targetting long tail keywords that aren't hard to rank for.

    If you work in IT, you probably understand how to type keywords into Google to get appropriate search results - most people just type long sentences instead ("lose weight quickly" compared with "I want to lose weight so I can fit into my wedding dress").

    Start typing in some of these long tails and Ezinearticles.com will pop up time and again.

    Your ROI is fine, as long as you can scale it up. £20-£50 doesn't seem very impresssive, but put a few noughts on the end of both of those numbers and you get a whole different kettle of fish. Or money, or something.

    "Can you serve different java code based on geographical location?" - Yes you can, I've seen it done but I have no idea how to do it. If you don't get an answer in this thread, you will do here - Programming Talk

    Finally, join the War Room. You've already made enough cash to cover it, and it's brilliant. I wouldn't tell most newbies to bother, but since you seem to have a business plan set in place, I'm fairly sure you could use it without getting distracted by the newest shiny thing all the time.

    I can think of two War Room threads just off the top of my head that would help your business immensely. I'm sure there are many more if you spend some time digging.

    Let me know if you have any more questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author USEO
    Originally Posted by bmstalker View Post

    Ok so first question, say I have a .com that is hosted on a UK server (I use free hosting for my sites at 000 webhost, which seems to work ok for me) if an US based user searched for my targeted keyword, would they get my site displayed in their search results, with the same authroity it would in the UK? Or phrased a different way, does hosting location affect google rankings?
    They will get your site displayed "somewhere" in the results but with way
    less authority than the UK results.

    This does affect your SERP however... other things affect it too such as
    where your site links TO. What links your site has.

    If your site links out to a lot of US based sites for a US audience it will rank
    better in the Google US SERPS.

    The best thing for US traffic is a US based server (then all the other SEO
    bits).

    Originally Posted by bmstalker View Post

    Next question. Why do article marketing? I've read a lot about it but not tried it yet. I'm going to create a linkwheel with article for some of my new sites, but I have a few questions. Who the hell reads articles? I am a veterain internet user, and I have never in my life, searched for something, been linked to ezine or whatever, and read an article. Is it merely for backlinks with a contextual content page with an anchored back links?
    Is it merely for backlinks with a contextual content page with an anchored
    back links? - I'd say thats the only real benefit yes (for the reasons you
    outline above).

    Originally Posted by bmstalker View Post

    .info's are useless for google rankings
    Depends how niche your keyword and how the competition in the SERPS
    pans out. They will rank better in the US than UK.

    If you are marketing physical products in the UK - ezine will not really help.

    Drop me an email to info [@] infoproductkiller.com and I'll send you over
    a freebie that includes exactly how to generate powerful links without
    using ezine etc (they have almost zero value for UK compared to the
    methods in the article).

    Cheers.
    CK
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  • Profile picture of the author NoGimmicks
    Social Bookmarking is just like the bookmarks/favourites that you store in internet explorer or firefox etc - apart from the fact that they are publicly visible and you can tag them to group them among other similar based bookmarks (so you could search everyone's bookmarks for sites about cat grooming for example).

    Pinging is effectively sending out a message to search engines that your site (the page you're pinging) has updated content so they should go to there to find out what that updated/new content is about.

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  • Profile picture of the author DrGUID
    Welcome fellow Brit!

    Please don't think poorly of .info sites - mine is great. If your .info site isn't performing, your content is bad. I don't think it makes much difference, but .info is good for an article based or directory site.

    Article marketing is very easy. Find problem X, look on clickbank/Amazon/ebay for product Y to solve problem X.

    You MUST also think about making your own product. A product will make it easy to build links, and once you have links you can market anything.

    Hubpages is nice. Infobarrel may be the next big thing (according to that great WSO I bought the other day).

    There are some nice UK niches that you can write about although I prefer to write articles with global appeal. UK Adsense clicks pay better than US ones apparently.
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    • Profile picture of the author bmstalker
      Awesome, again, thanks for the replies guys.

      DrGUID - Thanks for the input mate, nice to hear from another Brit . However, I'm pretty set on going down the microniche route. I've read a lot... and I mean a lot, and that seems best to me. Set up the site, 100% autopilot. (plus I do it from work whilst fixing other people's PC's so in essence, it's not even costing me time).

      Everyone who has said to me about social bookmarking, thanks very much. It seems I've been underestimating it and will now look a lot more closely at it. As I said, I've just bought another 6.coms, which I will build an article linkwheel around, I will socially bookmark each spoke in the wheel, plus each content page on my site to see how much effect it has.

      Pinging it seems is just a way to get crawled faster by google. My sites are all html static pages, easier to build, lighter too. I submit and xml sitemap to google for this and I don't mind taking a few weeks for a site to rank, I'm in this for the long haul, but thanks for the answer nogimiks.

      USEO - I had read that outgoing links from your page make it seem more legit to google and increases your PR/SERPS. I was unaware it was location based, that's interesting and I'm not sure how I will manipulate this new information, but thanks a ton, that's some golden info. I'll Def hit you up with a pm.

      Ewan - thanks for the positve message, I'm a bit of a forum lurker, usually find the search works best but I've been here for a while and not really seen the answers I need. I see a lot of threads with lazy people asking for a blueprint to make money in the most vague terms, it gets them nothing. As mentioned above, I'm gonna go for it with article marketing and social bookmarking. I've seen services on other less reputable forums for link wheel creation services that are well priced. I will do it myself to start then when I'm running a big enough operation, I will outsource it, I'd rather undestand how it all works before I pay someone else to do it though.

      Everyone else, thanks for your responses, you've all helped a lot and if anyone has any questions for me, feel free to ask.

      edit- Also, if someone could quickly toss a list of the most influential sp? social bookmarking sites, that would also be awesome.
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      • Profile picture of the author scattermouse
        Originally Posted by bmstalker View Post


        edit- Also, if someone could quickly toss a list of the most influential sp? social bookmarking sites, that would also be awesome.
        There are semi-automatic (and free) services to do bookmarking, and they've got massive lists of sites.

        Go here or here for starters.
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        • Profile picture of the author BradleyEynon
          A quick note on article marketing.

          These are an excellent free form of marketing. Not to be considered as a quick fix but more of a long term marketing strategy. They are also favoured in the search engines so they rank high for your keywords.

          As for people reading them.. of course people read them. Remember that not everyone is an internet marketer (in fact most aren't ha) so when they type in a search term and see your article at the top of the search engines it's likely they will click on it and read the information.

          Even as a marketer myself, I read articles as there are some fantastic high quality articles that are submitted by people that you can really learn a great deal from. They aren't all sales pitches.

          Hope this helps
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul240480
            Thanks bmstalker, a great thread. Before I posted a new thread a search has put this one up

            My site is a .com, I live in France & it is hosted in Canada (doteasy).

            Until recently it has shown up well, having done all the optimising as a 'self-learner'. Recently its fallen from a (google) page 1 on my keywords to page 3 or lower.

            I shall certainly be trying the 'social' side of things, infact I've made an FB page in the last few months & have been promoting it majorly over the last week.

            Need to try twitter & Digg......... if I can understand them:rolleyes:.

            At the moment, I'm not understanding a 'ping'? Sorry if that is a stupid question.

            Also how can I tell when/if google is crawling my site?

            Thanks
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