What are the best and worst days to launch wso's/ product & services?

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So, What are the best and worst days to launch wso's for best traffic? I've read there are good and bad days to list. Obviously looking for input from people who have launched at least two wso's AS WELL AS those who have launched products and services in the 'Warrior Products and Services' section. Please share your experience and say whether or not what you listed was a wso or product/service . Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Damien Roche
    Well I can tell you that the WEEKEND is NOT a good time

    I would assume the majority of traffic to this site is US based, so probably at a time that would fit in with that. US Morning or evening.

    *edit* sorry, yeh, I list services. No WSO's yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Well it's a tradeoff...

    Tuesday morning (US time) generally gets the most traffic, but it's also the time when the most WSO's are posted (I believe), so your offer won't stay on the front page for very long. The WSO board moved pretty quickly on Tuesdays.

    I personally like to post my WSO on Tuesday morning, and then when I have to bump it, do that around 8:30pm on any given day. That gives a good mix of traffic between US and Europe.

    I try not to post WSO's on weekends or holidays. Usually much less traffic at those times.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    I've done lots of research on this.

    Worst: Saturday and Sunday.

    Second Worst: Monday and Friday.

    Best: Tuesday and Thursday.

    Second best: Wednesday.

    Best time to launch or bump: 8-10 AM.

    Worst time to launch or bump: 3-5 PM.

    Secret tip: the WSO forum is global, but most WSOs are placed and bumped based on US time zones. Think about what time it is in other places. I've helped people make thousands of dollars like that.

    Really secret tip: The Asia Pacific region is most responsive to offers around lunchtime.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      ...of course, if someone says they've done alot of research on something, it may pay to listen to that, as well.... (seriously, i mean that...not sarcasm)

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I've done lots of research on this.

      Worst: Saturday and Sunday.

      Second Worst: Monday and Friday.

      Best: Tuesday and Thursday.

      Second best: Wednesday.

      Best time to launch or bump: 8-10 AM.

      Worst time to launch or bump: 3-5 PM.

      Secret tip: the WSO forum is global, but most WSOs are placed and bumped based on US time zones. Think about what time it is in other places. I've helped people make thousands of dollars like that.

      Really secret tip: The Asia Pacific region is most responsive to offers around lunchtime.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Thanks to this post....this is the first thread I have EVER subscribed to on WF....

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I've done lots of research on this.

      Worst: Saturday and Sunday.

      Second Worst: Monday and Friday.

      Best: Tuesday and Thursday.

      Second best: Wednesday.

      Best time to launch or bump: 8-10 AM.

      Worst time to launch or bump: 3-5 PM.

      Secret tip: the WSO forum is global, but most WSOs are placed and bumped based on US time zones. Think about what time it is in other places. I've helped people make thousands of dollars like that.

      Really secret tip: The Asia Pacific region is most responsive to offers around lunchtime.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I've done lots of research on this.

      Worst: Saturday and Sunday.

      Second Worst: Monday and Friday.

      Best: Tuesday and Thursday.

      Second best: Wednesday.

      Best time to launch or bump: 8-10 AM.

      Worst time to launch or bump: 3-5 PM.

      Secret tip: the WSO forum is global, but most WSOs are placed and bumped based on US time zones. Think about what time it is in other places. I've helped people make thousands of dollars like that.

      Really secret tip: The Asia Pacific region is most responsive to offers around lunchtime.
      I had no idea it was such a science. I wonder why Tuesday .... I understand weekends and holidays but why would it be best on Tuesday?
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I wonder why Tuesday .... I understand weekends and holidays but why would it be best on Tuesday?
        I think it's the same Monday syndrome you get everywhere else.

        It amazes me, but most IMers still take the weekend off. I'm just blown away by that. It's always seemed to me that the beauty of IM was being able to take time off whenever you wanted, but a lot of people are still plain old Monday-Friday. Maybe it's how they "treat it like a business" or something.

        But when you come back from the weekend, you're full of your own plans and ideas and whatnot, and you've got more than enough to do... so you just flat don't care about WSOs.

        And Friday's probably the same old "race to the weekend" it is everywhere else. The day you go "oh crap, I didn't finish this, or that, or these, or those" and you just don't have time for WSOs.

        I have actually found that Friday evening is an excellent time for prelaunches. It's a good time to get your offer out there with little or no competition, and have it picked up by people that have nothing better to do than try it out RIGHT NOW. It can generate a lot of feedback in a very short time with comparatively few sales. I haven't tried using the WSO forum for that, though.
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        • Profile picture of the author DrewClement
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          I think it's the same Monday syndrome you get everywhere else.

          It amazes me, but most IMers still take the weekend off. I'm just blown away by that. It's always seemed to me that the beauty of IM was being able to take time off whenever you wanted, but a lot of people are still plain old Monday-Friday. Maybe it's how they "treat it like a business" or something.

          But when you come back from the weekend, you're full of your own plans and ideas and whatnot, and you've got more than enough to do... so you just flat don't care about WSOs.

          And Friday's probably the same old "race to the weekend" it is everywhere else. The day you go "oh crap, I didn't finish this, or that, or these, or those" and you just don't have time for WSOs.

          I have actually found that Friday evening is an excellent time for prelaunches. It's a good time to get your offer out there with little or no competition, and have it picked up by people that have nothing better to do than try it out RIGHT NOW. It can generate a lot of feedback in a very short time with comparatively few sales. I haven't tried using the WSO forum for that, though.

          This is a TOTAL revelation and it got all kinds of ideas and thoughts rushing around my head.

          Thank you ten times over for posting your knowledge and research here.

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        • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


          It amazes me, but most IMers still take the weekend off. I'm just blown away by that. It's always seemed to me that the beauty of IM was being able to take time off whenever you wanted, but a lot of people are still plain old Monday-Friday. Maybe it's how they "treat it like a business" or something.
          For me (and this could be the case for alot of IMers I guess) I often take the weekends off because that's when my son is off school. With school going kids Mon - Fri is almost a given. It's easier for me to work when he's in school and spend time with him at weekends. I'm pretty flexible though and I do take time off mid week sometimes and work weekends.
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    • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Best time to launch or bump: 8-10 AM.

      Worst time to launch or bump: 3-5 PM.

      Secret tip: the WSO forum is global, but most WSOs are placed and bumped based on US time zones. Think about what time it is in other places. I've helped people make thousands of dollars like that.
      Just curious what time zone you are quoting the "best" & "worst" posting times?

      Excellent information!

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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by mywebwork View Post

        Just curious what time zone you are quoting the "best" & "worst" posting times?
        Like I said... think about what time it is elsewhere in the world.

        It's always 8-10 AM and 3-5 PM somewhere. Figure out where, and think about whether that's a good place for you to get customers.

        Too many people are concerned with getting US customers. There's a whole wide world out there. I've done very well targeting the UK market, and I've had smaller but significant success in markets around the Pacific rim.

        And I should really hold this close to the vest, but I've been drinking...

        China is over the date line.

        Let's talk competition.

        On Monday night at 9 PM Pacific, if I launch or bump my WSO, it will hit desks at about noon Tuesday in China. Nobody is launching and bumping WSOs late Monday night, so it will sit there for a couple hours... and hit the 8-10 AM window at GMT and Eastern Europe - which means most of Australia, too.

        Again, Tuesday.

        And most of the WSO vendors are not going to bother launching their WSOs until Tuesday morning Eastern time, seventeen hours after the day actually started - and eleven hours after I hit the go button on my end.

        Now let's back up to Robert's concern about "everyone" dropping their WSOs at the same time.

        There are something like twenty "best times" to launch, because right this very second, it is 8-10 AM somewhere and 3-5 PM somewhere else. The only problem you run into is that some places like 1-3 PM, and those are the ones you might miss - hitting only one market instead of two. Chances are you'll hit one just by throwing a dart at the clock. What's really important is catching the market you want to reach with the product they want to buy in the best part of their local time.

        And since the overwhelming majority of people are completely HUA and will say "my product appeals to everyone of any nationality at all!" they'll just throw a dart at the clock.

        If you want to know what really matters, it's hitting your customer with what he wants right when he wants it. And this is, largely, cultural. If you can't afford to travel the world, at least study it. Read its literature. Learn its language. When a country resonates with you, there is a reason, so put some extra effort into it.

        For example, I love Romanians. No real reason; I just do. There's something joyous and appealing about them. And for reasons I can't explain, I have a lot of Eastern European customers - kind of the same way Germans love David Hasselhoff. So I don't fight it, and I make a little extra effort to put my products in front of Eastern Europeans.

        Look for the patterns. There's a reason they exist. Follow where the evidence leads.
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    • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I've done lots of research on this.

      Worst: Saturday and Sunday.

      Second Worst: Monday and Friday.

      Best: Tuesday and Thursday.

      Second best: Wednesday.

      Best time to launch or bump: 8-10 AM.

      Worst time to launch or bump: 3-5 PM.

      Secret tip: the WSO forum is global, but most WSOs are placed and bumped based on US time zones. Think about what time it is in other places. I've helped people make thousands of dollars like that.

      Really secret tip: The Asia Pacific region is most responsive to offers around lunchtime.

      This is pretty much the same conclusions that I've come to, but I've noticed that Thursday outperforms Tuesday almost always, and Wednesday and Tuesday battle for 2nd a lot of times.

      It also differs based on the time of the month too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I've done lots of research on this.

      Worst: Saturday and Sunday.

      Second Worst: Monday and Friday.

      Best: Tuesday and Thursday.

      Second best: Wednesday.

      Best time to launch or bump: 8-10 AM.

      Worst time to launch or bump: 3-5 PM.

      Secret tip: the WSO forum is global, but most WSOs are placed and bumped based on US time zones. Think about what time it is in other places. I've helped people make thousands of dollars like that.

      Really secret tip: The Asia Pacific region is most responsive to offers around lunchtime.

      I disagree.

      Sunday is worst?

      I created a brand new WSO (without any pre-launch), and hit over 120 sales in a day - and yes it was on a Sunday.

      Where did you get your research from?

      It does not matter what day you launch - Monday, Tuesday, Wed etc..

      There is a saying..

      "Observe the masses and do the opposite".

      Just because GURU X is launching on a Tuesday - let's all launch out products on Tuesday because
      the "IM people" say so..

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      • Profile picture of the author Hanz
        Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

        I disagree.

        Sunday is worst?

        I created a brand new WSO (without any pre-launch), and hit over 120 sales in a day - and yes it was on a Sunday.

        Where did you get your research from?

        It does not matter what day you launch - Monday, Tuesday, Wed etc..

        There is a saying..

        "Observe the masses and do the opposite".

        Just because GURU X is launching on a Tuesday - let's all launch out products on Tuesday because
        the "IM people" say so..

        Is it possible you could've hit 220 sales if it was launched on a Tuesday? LOL!!! Just kidding. Good on ya Imran! But you are a proven and reputable seller. Somebody without a reputation would struggle.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Hanz View Post

          Is it possible you could've hit 220 sales if it was launched on a Tuesday? LOL!!! Just kidding. Good on ya Imran! But you are a proven and reputable seller. Somebody without a reputation would struggle.
          It is the power of a list. Imran knows to hit his list to get sales fast. His list should increase his views and help start some conversation within the thread to get more people involved.

          Once you get people posting you will have social proof.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Originally Posted by warrioronfire View Post

    So, What are the best and worst days to launch wso's for best traffic? I've read there are good and bad days to list. Obviously looking for input from people who have launched at least two wso's AS WELL AS those who have launched products and services in the 'Warrior Products and Services' section. Please share your experience and say whether or not what you listed was a wso or product/service . Thanks
    This is tricky, warrioronfire...and, you'll have a million people telling you a million things....

    Just launch it and test with occasional bumps at different times....stick to whatever seems to work the best as far as conversions....
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorjackie
    best day is of course on friday morning when you sent out the next day sat most people will sit down to read your email
    worst day is of course monday when everyone is rushing to work they dun have much time to read your email
    hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr.Otto
      Originally Posted by warriorjackie View Post

      best day is of course on friday morning when you sent out the next day sat most people will sit down to read your email
      worst day is of course monday when everyone is rushing to work they dun have much time to read your email
      hope this helps
      This is not e-mail marketing, its about the WSO and advertisement sections on this forum.

      Anyways, really cool tips thanks all!
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by warriorjackie View Post

      best day is of course on friday morning
      More often Wednesday, with email.

      Saturday and Sunday are FREQUENTLY "you do not check your email" days for one or both members of a couple, which is the overwhelming majority of the world.

      On Monday, everyone is running around trying to get stuff done that came up over the weekend.

      On Friday, everyone is running around trying to get stuff done before the weekend.

      Tuesday and Thursday are not bad days to email, because they're normal work days, usually.

      But Wednesday... ahh, those of us who worked in an office building know what's going on every Wednesday for the rank-and-file wage slave.

      On Monday and Tuesday, they asked the boss what to do about X, Y, and Z. Then they did everything else they could do. And now, all that other stuff is done... but the boss didn't tell them what to do about X, Y, and Z yet. In fact, he probably won't tell them until Thursday afternoon.

      So on Wednesday, nothing is getting done. They're just sitting there. Waiting for the boss to answer the question they asked earlier in the week. So they Twitter, and they update their Facebook, and they browse LOLcats... and they read their email.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    FYI - Posting on a holiday weekend = definitely not the best idea (or so I've learned this weekend...)!
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Plank
    The problem with this kind of advice is...

    1. Did you really test every single day and time or are you just guessing?

    2. If that's really the best time and day to post a WSO, isn't everyone going to be posting at those times? (meaning it's no longer the best time to post)

    The best time to post is right now... there are people on this forum from all timezones and you plan on bumping your post in the future, right? So it will be visible during all days and times eventually.

    Worrying about what day to post is superstitious marketing... just launch it.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Robert Plank View Post

      1. Did you really test every single day and time or are you just guessing?
      Me personally? No. However, I've bought several WSOs about WSOs (that's pretty circular) and tested the results on both my own WSOs and through advising others. Over the past six months, I've been responsible for the timing of over a hundred launches and bumps of WSOs - and most people gush about how much of a difference my advice makes.

      But honestly, there are a great many times I haven't tried, and there are clearly exceptions. I mention Asia Pacific, which seems far more responsive at lunchtime than in the morning or evening. My major target areas are Asia Pacific, the UK and Western Europe, East coast US, and West coast US.

      I have not yet exerted any effort towards East Africa, but it's a significant market... perhaps someone could do some research on that. I'd like to hear the results, if you do.

      2. If that's really the best time and day to post a WSO, isn't everyone going to be posting at those times? (meaning it's no longer the best time to post)
      It really depends on what you mean by "the best time to post."

      Some people mean "away from competition." I don't. I mean "in front of customers." It doesn't matter how many people post WSOs at a given time - are the customers looking?

      There are times that hundreds of people are looking at the WSO forum, and times that a couple dozen are looking at it. Launch or bump when it's a couple hundred, and you'll make more sales.

      The best time to post is right now...
      Really depends on what you want to accomplish.

      If you want people to get their WSO out there earning money instead of sitting around waiting for the best time... yeah, you're right.

      But if you want people to make more sales in the first hour?

      Different question, different answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Robert Plank View Post

      The problem with this kind of advice is...

      1. Did you really test every single day and time or are you just guessing?

      2. If that's really the best time and day to post a WSO, isn't everyone going to be posting at those times? (meaning it's no longer the best time to post)

      The best time to post is right now... there are people on this forum from all timezones and you plan on bumping your post in the future, right? So it will be visible during all days and times eventually.

      Worrying about what day to post is superstitious marketing... just launch it.

      I'll go for superstitious marketing if that's what you want to call it. I've posted a WSO on the weekend before and it did miserably and have posted some time during the week before Friday ... probably like Wednesday and it did much better. I didn't really give it much significance, but if someone has taken the time (and more than one person here has said Tuesday is the best day), I'll go for it. In fact, he should do a WSO on it and post it on Tuesday.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    I have a baseline figure I use for the WSO section and that is 800. Forgetting about holidays, major breaking news events and such--I believe that there are generally about 800 regulars prowling around the WSO section.

    I wouldn't post a thread or bump one if there are only 600 people in the section at the time. There are hundreds of regulars there who are doing research and other things and that core group is not a group I consider strong buyers.

    On the other hand, I have bumped WSOs when there have been 1,600 or more people in the WSO section--but the sales weren't really any better than when 1,000 are there. Your WSO can easily fall off the front page in four hours in a high traffic period. If I had my way, I would bump WSOs when there are from 900-1,200 people in the WSO section.

    Most people run WSOs without doing ANY research into things like this. A few hours of research into things in the WSO area can make a huge difference. While the comments people have given are interesting, I would suggest that people experiment, test, tweak, and look at the data they generate!

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      Most people run WSOs without doing ANY research into things like this. A few hours of research into things in the WSO area can make a huge difference. While the comments people have given are interesting, I would suggest that people experiment, test, tweak, and look at the data they generate!
      Another point... different products are popular for different regions. For example, the East Africa mention I made just a moment ago: it has been my impression (no data here, just a gut feeling) that East Africans are more interested in site flipping products than other things (e.g. blogging, affiliate networks, CPA).

      So I don't really know why, but I just have this sense that if I have a site-flipping product, it would be productive to target that at an East African time zone - and I have this vague suspicion that they're also lunchtime buyers.

      Now, again: I have no data or evidence about this. It's a gut feeling. Kind of like I have a gut feeling that UK customers like writing products. And sometimes, these gut feelings seem to pan out.
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    • Profile picture of the author sunnygal
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      I have a baseline figure I use for the WSO section and that is 800. Forgetting about holidays, major breaking news events and such--I believe that there are generally about 800 regulars prowling around the WSO section.

      I wouldn't post a thread or bump one if there are only 600 people in the section at the time. There are hundreds of regulars there who are doing research and other things and that core group is not a group I consider strong buyers.

      On the other hand, I have bumped WSOs when there have been 1,600 or more people in the WSO section--but the sales weren't really any better than when 1,000 are there. Your WSO can easily fall off the front page in four hours in a high traffic period. If I had my way, I would bump WSOs when there are from 900-1,200 people in the WSO section.

      Most people run WSOs without doing ANY research into things like this. A few hours of research into things in the WSO area can make a huge difference. While the comments people have given are interesting, I would suggest that people experiment, test, tweak, and look at the data they generate!

      --Mike
      Mike,

      Have you compiled statistics on when there are most people on the WSO forum, or do you just keep looking when you are ready to launch your WSO and wait for a high volume period?
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      • Profile picture of the author Hanz
        Originally Posted by sunnygal View Post

        Mike,

        Have you compiled statistics on when there are most people on the WSO forum, or do you just keep looking when you are ready to launch your WSO and wait for a high volume period?
        I deprived myself of food as I decided to tie myself down to my computer 24/7 and study the Warrior forum during the months of April and May in order to answer the age old question regarding when to launch a WSO.
        I'd say CDarklock has some good stats but there are many things he has not mentioned which I will do so once I've managed to clean up this stack of papers and sorted them out. The information I've compiled from my 2 months of research will be most interesting.
        The only advice I can give you right now is: "The entire planet is your oyster, not just the U.S. Therefore target everybody, especially the U.K and Australia."
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    • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      I have a baseline figure I use for the WSO section and that is 800. Forgetting about holidays, major breaking news events and such--I believe that there are generally about 800 regulars prowling around the WSO section.

      I wouldn't post a thread or bump one if there are only 600 people in the section at the time. There are hundreds of regulars there who are doing research and other things and that core group is not a group I consider strong buyers.

      On the other hand, I have bumped WSOs when there have been 1,600 or more people in the WSO section--but the sales weren't really any better than when 1,000 are there. Your WSO can easily fall off the front page in four hours in a high traffic period. If I had my way, I would bump WSOs when there are from 900-1,200 people in the WSO section.

      Most people run WSOs without doing ANY research into things like this. A few hours of research into things in the WSO area can make a huge difference. While the comments people have given are interesting, I would suggest that people experiment, test, tweak, and look at the data they generate!

      --Mike
      Interesting stuff... I wouldn't have thought about bumping based on active visitors in the WSO forum. Thanks for sharing!
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        The thing that really surprises me about it is that I've always figured most IMers aren't full time. So you would think they'd do a bunch of IM stuff on the weekend, when they're not working... but it seems like they do everything at night after they get home from work, instead.

        I wonder about that being why it's so hard for a lot of them. I need to be well-rested and have several hours to focus, or I can't get much done.
        I think the reason people work in weekday evenings is part boredom, and part due to the fact that they have kids who are in bed soon after they get home from work (just a speculative guess, but very possible).

        The weekends, for the majority of people, are family time. Especially those with kids.

        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        It amazes me to think someone is coming home tired at the end of the day and working for only three or four hours on his IM stuff in addition to all his other various responsibilities. I can't imagine that working for me; it seems like it would take several years to accomplish anything.
        That's how most people get their foot in the door. Most people can't just up sticks and leave their job on a whim with this stuff.

        In fact, I've seen a lot of business owners running six figures in brick and mortar offline set ups, but juggling a day job too. Crazy, but what other choice is there if you can't afford to take a huge risk?

        That's how I broke into this game...and it was killer for a long time.

        But eventually, I DID take the risk (I know, that kind of contradicts my previous point)...but luckily for me, it paid off.

        It's amazing your perspective changes and your drive kicks in when you have no choice but to make this stuff work.


        P.S - Imran's comment about Sundays rings true with me too. I've made a lot of sales of one of my products listed in the WSO section today. And it's a bank holiday weekend too...which is "supposed" to be notorious for low sales online.

        But the bottom line is, like Darklock says - there's a lot of variables and no way to truly test for sure. Not to mention the fact that your offer makes a HUGE difference across the board.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrioronfire
    Very Interesting. Thanks for the input so far guys. If anyone has got anything else or any other data from there experience, I'd love to hear it
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  • Profile picture of the author xInd
    Yes, always keep in mind, you're testing a group of variables and only one constant, this forum. You can never get a definitive answer, as if you actually analyzed ALL of the data, you'd find that the brilliant research and info posted here, while it's very helpful and very smart, if you repeated the exact same situations 100 times, with the same offers even, you'd get different results since there's just so many different variables, the new members of the week, the holidays and schedules of the buyers, the trends outside WF around the net and the world, these things all play a role, whether it's monday Saturday or Labor Day. It could be a Holiday and most people are not around, but your offer appeals specifically to those people who find themselves at home at times like that....
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  • Profile picture of the author doop
    Can definitely say - it's a bad time to post a WSO on Saturday/Sundays' - I posted mine and have still not received a PM regarding payment which was about 12 hours ago.

    Midweek looks to be a better option.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    OK here is the for real answer.

    Watch the WSO forum very closely. Wait for a very popular WSO with lots and lots of views and replies to be bumped then BAM launch or bump.

    To be close to a winner with a great sales page gets us in a WSO feeding frenzy.

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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    I've personally found that Wednesdays and Thursdays are the best days for my goals.

    There are definitely patterns of traffic that happen in that forum and the time/day you launch/bump your product can make or break it sometimes..
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Know what? I bump when it falls off page 2. I could care less what time it is somewhere in the world. Because somewhere in the world someone will be reading my WSO and that person could very well be the one that hits the buy button. Apart from that, I'm going for "Top of mind" - I try to keep the offer under people's noses so that when they're ready for a copywriter they'll remember The Copy Nazi. And guess what? Its working a treat. Why do you think I'm spending $60-$80 a week on a WSO.
    As for "never bump on a weekend" - totally spurious advice. I get new clients practically every weekend. And this Memorial Day Weekend I've snared 2 new American clients. Go figure.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

      I try to keep the offer under people's noses so that when they're ready for a copywriter they'll remember The Copy Nazi.
      Because it's such a forgettable name.

      I mean, I barely remember what a Nazi is. You say "Copy Nazi," it doesn't mean a damn thing to me. I just don't draw the association with the numbers tattooed on my rabbi's arm, or the years he spent in Belsen, or the black and white pictures of Dachau, or the "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" banner over the gate at Auschwitz.

      Yeah... I don't think about any of those things. Not at all.

      Wait, who are you, again?
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Because it's such a forgettable name.

        I mean, I barely remember what a Nazi is. You say "Copy Nazi," it doesn't mean a damn thing to me. I just don't draw the association with the numbers tattooed on my rabbi's arm, or the years he spent in Belsen, or the black and white pictures of Dachau, or the "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" banner over the gate at Auschwitz.

        Yeah... I don't think about any of those things. Not at all.

        Wait, who are you, again?
        Tell that to Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld - the Jews who wrote Seinfeld's "The Soup Nazi" episode.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

          Tell that to Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld - the Jews who wrote Seinfeld's "The Soup Nazi" episode.
          And the titular character had the nickname because he was a jerk, and people didn't like him.

          Yes, Nazis are funny. You make fun of them. You say "you're a grammar Nazi" and it's funny. Or "he's the soup Nazi" and that's funny.

          But then you come along and say "I'm a copy Nazi!" and it isn't funny.

          Perhaps there is some subtle difference there which is eluding you.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Because it's such a forgettable name.

        I mean, I barely remember what a Nazi is. You say "Copy Nazi," it doesn't mean a damn thing to me. Wait, who are you, again?
        But will we ever forget the JunkWriter? Not me. His appearance in that thread the other night was priceless, as was his post. I'm sure you remember him.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
          I always visit the local Voodoo queen. After a long inspection of chicken entrails, we pick an auspicious day and time. I get her to sacrifice two chickens for launches.
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

            I always visit the local Voodoo queen. After a long inspection of chicken entrails, we pick an auspicious day and time. I get her to sacrifice two chickens for launches.
            Genius. I should try this....lol
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          • Profile picture of the author tecHead
            Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

            I always visit the local Voodoo queen. After a long inspection of chicken entrails, we pick an auspicious day and time. I get her to sacrifice two chickens for launches.
            LMAO dork
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            • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


              It amazes me, but most IMers still take the weekend off. I'm just blown away by that.
              What's amazing about that? Most IMer's have family and/or partners that don't work weekends.

              So, that's when you take your time off, to spend time together.

              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


              It's always seemed to me that the beauty of IM was being able to take time off whenever you wanted, but a lot of people are still plain old Monday-Friday.
              Who says they don't want to take weekends off?
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

                What's amazing about that? Most IMer's have family and/or partners that don't work weekends.

                So, that's when you take your time off, to spend time together.

                Who says they don't want to take weekends off?
                I wouldn't say most IMers are married or don't want to work weekends. I work weekends because I want to and if I don't feel like working on Tuesday, I don't. Don't have a significant bother to answer to and kids are out of the house. My dogs are a bit demanding, but they're in the office all day giving me ideas.
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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  I wouldn't say most IMers are married or don't want to work weekends.
                  The thing that really surprises me about it is that I've always figured most IMers aren't full time. So you would think they'd do a bunch of IM stuff on the weekend, when they're not working... but it seems like they do everything at night after they get home from work, instead.

                  I wonder about that being why it's so hard for a lot of them. I need to be well-rested and have several hours to focus, or I can't get much done. It amazes me to think someone is coming home tired at the end of the day and working for only three or four hours on his IM stuff in addition to all his other various responsibilities. I can't imagine that working for me; it seems like it would take several years to accomplish anything.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                    Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                    The thing that really surprises me about it is that I've always figured most IMers aren't full time. So you would think they'd do a bunch of IM stuff on the weekend, when they're not working... but it seems like they do everything at night after they get home from work, instead.

                    I wonder about that being why it's so hard for a lot of them. I need to be well-rested and have several hours to focus, or I can't get much done. It amazes me to think someone is coming home tired at the end of the day and working for only three or four hours on his IM stuff in addition to all his other various responsibilities. I can't imagine that working for me; it seems like it would take several years to accomplish anything.

                    There is no way I could have achieved what I have while working a job full time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

      Know what? I bump when it falls off page 2. I could care less what time it is somewhere in the world. Because somewhere in the world someone will be reading my WSO and that person could very well be the one that hits the buy button. Apart from that, I'm going for "Top of mind" - I try to keep the offer under people's noses so that when they're ready for a copywriter they'll remember The Copy Nazi. And guess what? Its working a treat. Why do you think I'm spending $60-$80 a week on a WSO.
      As for never "never bump on a weekend" - totally spurious advice. I get new clients practically every weekend. And this Memorial Day Weekend I've snared 2 new American clients. Go figure.
      That's true to some degree but there are also other cases where many WSOs go unnoticed during the "afternoon rush hour". And there has been a thread on here a couple of days ago which you'd find most interesting regarding disastrous WSO launches. Not everybody has been successful and not as many eyes are looking at our WSOs as we'd expect. Those who don't have tons of $20 bills to throw around are obviously going to need to be more cautious about when to bump.
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  • Profile picture of the author Prawn
    I <3 split testing.

    Interesting data Darklock. Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    I've been wondering this recently and came to the conclusion that if I'm getting more than $20 every time I bump it and ... bump every time it hits page 3 then I'm in profit and making money.

    So it doesn't matter and youre going to being bumping every 24hrs ish.

    It does make a bigger difference if you're only going to sell say 25 products. You could pick a 'good' day and time and sell them all for that one payment of $20 or have to bump it 12 times and spend £240.

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Big Al View Post

      I've been wondering this recently and came to the conclusion that if I'm getting more than $20 every time I bump it and ... bump every time it hits page 3 then I'm in profit and making money.
      And if you don't, you're $20 more in profit.

      Of course, only you can answer the question of whether you'd rather have the WSO bump or the $20, and you might very well say "if I can make even one more dollar by bumping, I'll bump."

      But you just never know. You can't test Wednesday the 12th of March 2010 with and without bumping your WSO. It's guesswork... and you really can't test it. You can't put this product in this market twice - using different methods - and really get a valid test.

      That's really what it comes down to. The point's been raised that I can't possibly have gathered enough data, and the fact is, nobody can. If I test something on Sunday, how many of my results are because it was Sunday? How many are because it was a Sunday in March? How many are because of whatever sporting even was going on that day? Because of a news item?

      The why of things is hard.

      I post a WSO on Monday at 8 AM, it does well. Most buyers are from the East coast. I bump it on Tuesday, it does better. Most buyers are from the East coast.

      I can connect those data points. It might be accurate. Is it? I don't know.

      Did the people who bought it on Monday tell their friends who said "I'll buy it tomorrow morning" and it didn't matter if I bumped it? I don't know.

      Split testing, in copywriting, works because you can control the variables. You use this headline here, and that headline there, and you randomly send each visitor to a different page over the course of several hundred visits. You can pretty confidently say that if one headline beats the other by a substantial margin, it's a better headline.

      But beyond that, there is a big fuzzy area, and beyond that lies chaos. It's dangerous to assume everything has general application.

      Most people here know that the REAL money... the SERIOUS money... is not made by following the long-term trends. It's the short-term ones. Mike makes an excellent point that instead of worrying about when people are going to be looking, just look at the number of people viewing the forum. If it's 800, bump!

      Trying to predict the market is one of those things you can never do effectively, really. It's low-end, small-scale stuff. But when you're working on the low end and at a small scale, it's stuff you should think about.

      There are pretty much three phases of marketing. First you try to predict the market, and get in front of what is going to happen. Then you watch the market, and get in front of what is happening now. Finally, you drive the market, and send them through whatever you want whenever you want.

      There's no denying you want to be in one of the later phases, but we pretty much ALL have to pay our dues in that first phase.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    Worst: Saturday and Sunday.

    Second Worst: Monday and Friday.

    Best: Tuesday and Thursday.

    Second best: Wednesday.

    Best time to launch or bump: 8-10 AM.

    Worst time to launch or bump: 3-5 PM.
    That matches my own findings in the IM niche.

    I also find that I can get a lot of views and click-throughs during the "slower" periods but less sales.

    So it seems people are checking email and clicking through but not buying. It's still worthwhile through because it can lead to higher sales a day or two later when people are in a better frame of mind for buying.

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  • Profile picture of the author SeanyG
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    Imran has a point.

    Everyone needs to test what works for them.

    Now there's a novel idea
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    I have sold everything from poker products to senior citizens' medical supplies and I can tell you from experience that Tuesdays are the absolute best days in every niche that I have worked in. Wednesday and Thursdays were second best with Thursday edging a bit over Wednesday.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    Before everyone launches their shiny new WSO this coming Tuesday, remember this is a holiday weekend so Tuesday is really Monday
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  • Profile picture of the author bitriot
    For what it is worth, I have had success pushing new products on the first and 3d friday's of the month which just so happen to loosely correspond with pay day :]
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by bitriot View Post

      For what it is worth, I have had success pushing new products on the first and 3d friday's of the month which just so happen to loosely correspond with pay day :]
      "Clockin' much dollars on the 1st and 15th." - N.W.A., "Dopeman"

      This leads me to wonder...

      Let's say you're in a specific affiliate program, like ClickBank...

      And you make a WSO specifically about that program...

      Shouldn't you launch that WSO the day you get your check?

      I mean, everyone else in that particular program probably got their check the same day.
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  • LOL Some one started a WSO on this topic. I wonder if they got the info from this thread, or if this thread was just bad timing for them?
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery View Post

      I wonder if they got the info from this thread, or if this thread was just bad timing for them?
      If they did get the info here: GOOD JOB! Way to take action!

      If they didn't, hey, this thread is not the be-all and end-all of the discussion. There's plenty of data out there to be mined and interpreted, enough for a half-dozen or more WSOs, and there are so many tests you could do that it's simply impossible to do them all. If anyone ever did do a solid, professional research job on this with proper scientific rigor and detailed stats... the resulting report would be worth thousands.
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    • Profile picture of the author bb4h
      Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery View Post

      LOL Some one started a WSO on this topic. I wonder if they got the info from this thread, or if this thread was just bad timing for them?

      LOL Really? If they did get the info from this thread then good on them lol

      Anyone got the link to that thread? Not that I plan on buying or anything but just outta curiousity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
    I have had success launching on Tuesdays and bumping in the early morning hours.
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