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KateD 4th June 2010 08:55 AM

CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Hello All,

If you have been a member of this awesome forum for any length of time, than you know doubt have heard of the "duplicate content" issue. And if you haven't, basically many marketers feel that if you submit the same article to multiple locations, Google will penalize you by removing the duplicate content, and therefore wasting the time and effort to submit those articles.

This is why "article spinners" are so popular.

Now, I am all about working hard, but my time is very limited, and so I only like to work hard when that effort justifies it.

I, like most Warriors, totally believed in the "duplicate content" issue. However, it's just my personality to actually put theories to the test instead of just blindly believing what others say.

Besides, I do article marketing for a living, for my own portfolio of niche blogs and for a select number of Warriors, and if I could remove the process of "spinning" content while still maintaining the benefits of mass article submissions, then I'd be thrilled.

So I started to submit articles (identical titles, content, and resource boxes) to about 20 article directories that I normally work with.

And do you know what I discovered? The exact same articles are showing up multiple times in Google's search engine results. What this means that for the same content, I am now getting many more backlinks without any additional effort is "spinning" the content.

And this shouldn't surprise anyone. When news websites write up a story and it gets syndicated, it doesn't need to be re-written to show up on other sites.

I have hundreds of articles published, but I took one as an example that I submitted 2 months ago. I first submitted it to Ezinearticles.com, and once published there, I then submitted the identical article to 20 other article directories.

I just checked Google this morning by typing in the title of my article in quotes. Here are the listing showing up in Google (and giving me long term, quality backlinks):

1. Ezinearticles
2. Articlesbase
3. ArticleDashboard
4. GoArticles
5. ArticleCity
6. ArticleBiz
7. ArticleAlley
8. ArticleSnatch

Not, most of these article directories aren't slouches. They have some pretty strong Page Ranks, and I am ecstatic knowing that I am getting strong backlinks using the exact same content.

Now, not all 20 or so article submissions are showing up. That could be because Google hasn't found them yet to have them indexed.

I'm no sure. All I know is that it's been 2 months, and those links are sticking around (and should continue to stick around).

So no more article spinning for me or my clients. I don't belive in the duplicate content myth.

I am not saying that you should take my word for it. What I do recommend is to do your own testing, and see the results for yourself.

You may be surprised at what you find.


Keep working hard....

KateD

Steven Wagenheim 4th June 2010 09:02 AM

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Finally...somebody who gets it.

Spinners are a TOTAL waste of time and duplicate content is a bigger
myth than Big Foot.

Now I'm waiting for all the naysayers to tell us that we're BOTH wrong.

(ducking into my bunker)

Andyhenry 4th June 2010 09:08 AM

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Hey Kate,

Thanks for taking the time to share your results with your fellow warriors.

Whatever the situation regarding duplicate content the fact that you cared enough to share your findings was really great anyway.

To your success

Andy

HungryFish 4th June 2010 09:16 AM

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Thanks Kate,

I am thrilled to hear someone has taken the initiative to test this issue in real time. It is great to know I don't have to spin my articles. I will give it a test on my next site...

pjblanch 4th June 2010 09:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim (Post 2178241)
Finally...somebody who gets it.

Spinners are a TOTAL waste of time and duplicate content is a bigger
myth than Big Foot.

Now I'm waiting for all the naysayers to tell us that we're BOTH wrong.

(ducking into my bunker)

Haha - no ducking my friend... I do have just one thought on this that morphs the two theories together:

Google recognizes duplicate content, but considers a duplicate page only AFTER it has looked at other pages that have a higher PR, more RELEVANT backlinks (relevant to the keywords in quotes - or without), etc.

To repeat: Through my observations, it seems as though if Google doesn't FIRST find a site that has a better set of *relevant* backlinks, THEN it will throw up the page containing the duplicate text.

That is precisely how I would attempt to write a search algorythm, because ultimately this way would assure the best user/reader experience when using Google/others.

So, yes, you're both right in my opinion. ~p

Carol01 4th June 2010 09:26 AM

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Thanks a lot for taking time and telling your test's results. It is going to help me a lot as i really did not like spinners and was worried since i can't write so many original articles for submitting to various directories.

It would be very helpful if you can share the remaining directories names also which you used for article submission.

Sarah Russell 4th June 2010 09:31 AM

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Thanks for taking the time to share the results of your case study! Interesting stuff :)

tush 4th June 2010 09:35 AM

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KateD,
Thanks for taking time to share and for these wonderful forums as well. I never used to submit the same article. I was even naive. I did not know that before submitting any article, one should first publish it on their blog/website. I did this and actually my rankings and earning improved in a short time without extra effort on my part :D
Thanks for sharing

glynlafferty 4th June 2010 09:39 AM

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Kate

I found a few months ago that the same article showed up in google for eza and article base.

With all the talk about duplicate content you actually start to believe it thanks for reinforcing the truth

Glyn

timpears 4th June 2010 09:41 AM

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Hopefully this will put the duplicate content myth to bed. But somehow I doubt it.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Ryan Shaw 4th June 2010 09:48 AM

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Article duplication is very rampant over the internet and you are right there my friend...

Matt Bard 4th June 2010 09:53 AM

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What you have described and proved is that there is no penalty for "article syndication".

There never has been.

Duplicate Content refers to using the same content on your site over and over again to fool Google into giving you a better ranking.

Try stuffing your site with keywords (go to Google Webmasters Blog and look up keyword stuffing) and see if there are no negative consequences.

Even EzineArticles won't accept an article that has more than 2% keywords. You don't have to call that a penalty if you don't want to. Call it whatever you want.

Now why do you think EzineArticles won't accept an article that is stuffed with too many keywords? Could it be that Google won't list one of their articles if it is stuffed with too many keywords?

Stuffing an article, blog post, blog, website...with too many keywords is one of three Google definitions for "duplicate content".

When you submit your article to multiple directories, Google calls that "syndication".

Syndication good. Duplicate content bad.

Not knowing the difference between "article syndication" and "duplicate content" is what keeps this debate going.

Steven Wagenheim 4th June 2010 09:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt M (Post 2178400)
What you have described and proved is that there is no penalty for "article syndication".

There never has been.

Duplicate Content refers to using the same content on your site over and over again to fool Google into giving you a better ranking.

Try stuffing your site with keywords (go to Google Webmasters Blog and look up keyword stuffing) and see if there are no negative consequences.

Matt, that's true. But that's a totally different issue than submitting the
same article to various article directories. ;)

Matt Bard 4th June 2010 10:06 AM

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Steven, you're exactly right and what do you think the OP has described?
Article syndication.

You can't use article syndication arguments to prove that duplicate content penalties don't exist.

Steven Wagenheim 4th June 2010 10:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt M (Post 2178449)
Steven, you're exactly right and what do you think the OP has described?
Article syndication.

You can't use article syndication arguments to prove that duplicate content penalties don't exist.

The only place that duplicate content penalties exist is IF you place the
same article on your own domain multiple times.

The problem is not with the definition (technically you are correct) but in
how people perceive duplicate content.

They DON'T think of it in terms of what it actually is.

They DO think of it in terms of what the OP described.

And since THAT is essentially how it is judged (by whether or not you
can get away with submitting the same article, unspun or unaltered
to multiple directories) within that context, the OP is 100% correct.

Even if the technical definition is not the same.

Perception, and how the term is used is all that matters here.

Now, if somebody is stupid enough to put the same article on their
own domain 10 times, well, they'll just have to find out the hard way
that they're going to get slapped.

But that's not what we're talking about here.

Steven Wagenheim 4th June 2010 10:18 AM

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One other thing, keyword stuffing is not duplicate content. It's just keyword
stuffing. Yes, it's duplication in a sense where you are using the same
keyword over and over to try to get a better ranking.

But again...it's how the terms are understood by the vast majority of the
public and how they are used.

Tossing technical definitions at them is pointless when their issue is with
one thing and one thing only.

"Can I submit my article to more than one site and get them all ranked or
will I be penalized for this and get none of them ranked?"

That is the crux of this whole damn argument, regardless of whatever
technical definitions you want to toss at people.

They don't care. They only care about the issue, whether it is technically
syndication or duplicate content.

cballi 4th June 2010 10:20 AM

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Thanks for sharing your results, Kate.

Clearly you have shown that duplicate content is indexed but I still have to wonder if 20 backlinks from the same exact article are as strong as 20 backlinks from articles that are 50%+ unique. Maybe I am giving Google's algo too much credit, but it seems possible that Google could discount the backlink juice for duplicate content. Did your ranking improve after submitting this same article to multiple directories?

It seems the next experiment would be to compare the ranking effects of 20 article backlinks using duplicate content versus using spun content. Because of the variables involved in ranking a site that experiment may not be conclusive, but it would be interesting.

But even if dupe content BLs are as good as non-dupe I still see value in spinning. There are a few directories (and web 2.0 sites) that won't accept duplicate content and you can usually get higher acceptance rates in blog networks using spun content (b/c some blog owners won't approve dupe content). I just think spinning an article can get you alot more mileage in the long run from just one article.

TimG 4th June 2010 10:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim (Post 2178241)
Finally...somebody who gets it.

Spinners are a TOTAL waste of time and duplicate content is a bigger
myth than Big Foot.

Now I'm waiting for all the naysayers to tell us that we're BOTH wrong.

(ducking into my bunker)

Steven,
Agree with you and Kate on the duplicate content - For several years now I've been saying that duplicate content was not an issue but mirror content is what gets your site tanked by Google.

However, I was also at one time against article spinners but now see them as a useful tool in the article marketing kitbag.

Consider this, if you have the same article ranking for 5 different article directories on Google's first page and a web surfer visits the first article and it doesn't draw them to your site then they click on the second article and see it is the same as the first article they previously read and they leave....same for the third, fourth and fifth article.

My argument for article spinners (when used properly) is that you have the opportunity to occupy those same positions with a different article version that may appeal to the web surfer.

For me, article spinning is not about the duplicate content issue (never has been). Instead it has always been about the user experience which is where we provide enough quality info to drive the reader to our website.

Hopefully that made sense and kept you from staying in the bunker - ;)

Respectfully,
Tim

TimG 4th June 2010 10:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim (Post 2178479)
The only place that duplicate content penalties exist is IF you place the
same article on your own domain multiple times.


Bingo - I call that mirror content and it was responsible for taking a site of mine that was making $3000 a month and turned it into making only $300 a month.

Mirror content sucks....don't do it!!

Tim

Matt Bard 4th June 2010 10:34 AM

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Well Google itself is responsible for most of the confusion.

Here is a video I just made:


Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty"

rapidscc 4th June 2010 10:45 AM

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Just to add some points to the OP...

I once wrote news articles and so when doing my research
would stumble across the exact same news piece of one
big news corp copied to the letter by other smaller news
sites.

And yes, Goog includes all of them in the SERPS.

However, if you plan to use the articles in web 2.0 sites you better
re-write or spin it. Duplicate content checking is implemented
by some web 2.0 sites. Try building a hubpage with contents
copied from EZA and they will mark your page as duplicate.

I think squidoo also checks for duplicate content.

So, my final thought is this, yes you can submit the same
articles on different directories without the need to alter it.
However, if you use it on some web 2.0 sites, there might
be a chance that it will be tagged as duplicate content.

All the best,

Matt Bard 4th June 2010 10:51 AM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rapidscc (Post 2178586)
However, if you plan to use the articles in web 2.0 sites you better
re-write or spin it. Duplicate content checking is implemented
by some web 2.0 sites. Try building a hubpage with contents
copied from EZA and they will mark your page as duplicate.

That's what I have found from my testing and every time that I have tried to bring it up here, or mention it to a newbie, I get shot down by all of the "duplicate content is a myth" people here.

frankstar 4th June 2010 11:08 AM

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Thanks for sharing your findings KateD. Great call.

I have a question in relation to content that maybe people can answer.

Google's "primary directive" is to provide useful and relevant results. It won't for example allow to many results from one domain in the top 10 rankings, or any subsequent block of 10. My question is, is this the same for content?

If Google sees 20 article directory pages with the same content, will it only put 1 or perhaps 2 of them in each block of 10 results?

This would mean that if you wanted to dominate the top 10 results with article directory postings (assuming this is possible for the purposes of this example), you would then need to significantly alter the content, otherwise in order to be useful and relevant, Google wouldn't allow too much of the same content in the rankings.

Anyone know if that's true?



Francis

aandersen 4th June 2010 11:15 AM

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i concur about the web 2.0 thing. if you go out right now and create 10 web 2.0 blogs with the same article most of them will not get indexed. even if you spin it lightly it still may not. but if you spin it really good and add some different images and paragraph structure, most if not all will get indexed. at least this has been my experience. I have only had this problem specifically with web 2.0 blogs like weebly, vox, jimdo, wordpress.com, etc... i think that people went too hard with their linkwheels over the last year or two.

on another note, i never spin my articles before submitting to article directories or posting to my sites or submitting to blog networks and they always get indexed.

Dennis Gaskill 4th June 2010 11:22 AM

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Kate

Thanks for posting your findings. It should end the controversy for the next week or two, then it will be back. Several of us here have been saying there is no duplicate content penalty as most people believe it exists for a long time.

Matt M explained what it is in post #12, but there are also a couple of innocent mistakes people make that can cause Google to see duplicate content on your site.

1) If you have printer friendly page for your visitors convenience, Google may see duplicate content. Google is usually pretty good at determining which version to show, but you can tell Google which version is priority.

2) If you move a page or rename a page and don't use a 301 redirect to tell the search engines of the change so the old page can be de-indexed, they'll see duplicate content.

The only "penalty" these situation might cause, is that the page rank gets split up between the separate versions of the page. That's not a penalty, it's a function of how Page Rank works, but it can seem like a penalty because it can cause the page to drop in the SERPs.

In the case of intentionally "mirroring" content, as Matt calls it, that may cause a penalty.

Matt Bard 4th June 2010 11:28 AM

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Kate,

thank you for your work and posting here. I do appreciate it and don't want you to think that I don't respect your hard work.

As Steven has pointed out, for the people that are fearful that submitting your article to multiple directories can be penalized, you have indeed cleared that up.

Matt

Christophe Young 4th June 2010 11:32 AM

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I did a similar test recently.

I'm targeting a specific long tail keyword. I wrote an article with the Keyword as the title. I then posted it on my main website AND submitted it to EZA. I also put the long tail in my website title tag.

A few days later, I enter the keyword into Google and what do I find...

My site ranking number one for that keyword. (www.mysite.com)

My article on my site ranking number two. (www.mysite.com/article title)

My article on EZA ranking number six.

There I am listed THREE times in the top ten. Not Bad.

I've always thought spinning was a waste of time and more importantly, it makes your articles look like crap.

pjblanch 4th June 2010 11:39 AM

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Google knows exactly what is happening in the IM world and knows all the tricks. Their only concern is to improve the user experience. This video makes a distinction between non-malicious duplicate content and spam, and that there is no duplicate penalty, but only a spam penalty.

Is article spinning spam? Probably. It is in the intent. Google's apparent philosophy is that "distinct information" is golden.


This is a video all on this thread should view, and offers a better explanation on some points brought up better than any here. ~p

Steven Wagenheim 4th June 2010 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt M (Post 2178603)
That's what I have found from my testing and every time that I have tried to bring it up here, or mention it to a newbie, I get shot down by all of the "duplicate content is a myth" people here.

And there again is an entirely different issue altogether.

A site not allowing you to submit an article to them that you submitted
elsewhere is not a duplicate content penalty. It is simply, "Hey buddy,
you got this article on xyz site...you can't have it here too."

This is a TOS issue that is going to be different for every single site out
there. But as far as a penalty for having the content on their site, since
you can't have it there in the first place, there's no penalty. You just
have to find someplace else to put your stuff.

sanssecret 4th June 2010 11:47 AM

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Great video and was just about to post it myself. If you're using duplicate content with the intent of trying to 'cook the books' then you're likely to face a penalty. But, as noted, the penalty is for spamming and I doubt any of us would disagree with that particular penalty being imposed.

Davioli 4th June 2010 12:01 PM

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I'm looking at this from a purely SEO viewpoint.
Even though its a myth.. (as a lot of you say) it just doesn't make sense.

Google may index these pages.. but don't you think they would devalue these links? Imagine a page on your website.. getting a hundred backlinks from pages that all contain the same content.

JMartin 4th June 2010 12:09 PM

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KateD, great post.

By the way, I just looked up a juicy article I wrote and submitted, without spinning, to many directories in the beginning of 2004. Google is showing lots of listings. Kind of fun to see new listings added years later.

TimG 4th June 2010 12:15 PM

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I didn't have time to post this earlier but the mirror content penalty I suffered occurred when I took an article on my website that I wrote for California Discount Auto Insurance and replaced California with the name of all the other states.

So essentially I had the same article on my site for each state with the only difference being that the state name was different for each article. The net result was within 48 hours my site disappeared from the high search engine rankings it was enjoying and the $3000 a month it was generating from organic search engine traffic was replaced with $300 a month from the traffic my article marketing was sending to the site.

Painful lesson to learn!!

Respectfully,
Tim

ContentYogi 4th June 2010 12:18 PM

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I love the ambiguities associated with Content uniqueness and such. There are so many theories and they all seem convincing. Being an article services company, I needed better understanding of the business we were in, hence we did a little experiment a while back with two blogs.

Blog A
I just copied some articles from Ezine to my blog with all due credits to the owner of the author.

Blog B
We wrote an original article from the scratch and posted it on Blog B. This article showed 100% unique on Copyscape.

Now the moment of truth:

Blog B with original content gets 146% more traffic to it from the search engines.

Now here is something that should interest you all: Blog A with the copied Ezine article on it is not just indexed on Google but it gets 23% of its traffic from search engines.

So what do you really make of this?

Unique content is definitely the way to go! Duplicate content? Well, I don't think it will kill your site if you choose to use it but you would rather use unique content if your objective is to generate traffic off it.

Hope this was an interesting share for you all. Don't hesitate to ask questions if you need clarification.

M3C 4th June 2010 12:34 PM

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Unfortunately this proves nada.

Since when has anybody ever said Google removes dupe content???

That's never been the basis of the "myth".

What has been said is that extensive dupe content hits the supplemental, AND IT DOES!

Just go and submit an indentical article to 100 sites, then search for a unique
string in quotes and go see what you find, perhaps 20+ or so listed, then the rest
you have to visit the supplemental for.

I've made this point before, it's such a yawnfest.

If you submit 20 copies, sure, no issue, Google will often show in the SERPS between
10-20 or so of the exact same article before the rest hit the supplemental.

There isn't and never has been a dupe penalty in the sense Google doesn't
penalize a site with dupe content linking back to it.

however, once that stuff hits the supplemental you won't see any real additional
back linking value from it. The juice value goes into the floor.

The fact that people still think Google is so absurdly retarded that it will allow
you to simply spam the same article to 2000 sites and get the same value
from every back link as you would from unique content is so absurd , it's laughable.

Spinners or re-writing the article manually is not a waste of time, because if you
submit the same content past around 10-15 copies it simply dissapears up it's
own arse into the supplemental.

Google will take into account the trust of the sites the content is being placed
on and all things being equal show as varied a result as possible for the term
searched on and that focuses around displaying the unique content, not the dupe.

If Google cares so little about this content it removes it from the main listings
and dumps it into a secondary listings, do you really think you're getting the
same link juice from the content as unique content that shows in the primary SERPS?

If it were so, all anybody would need to do is submit the exact same piece
of content to 10,000 sites and forcibly get a no1 position for any term
you wanted.

Unfortunately this test was hugely flawed by the fact the volume was
tiny, and the OP even claims of that tiny volume not all showed in the listings.

This debate always gets messy, in part because people keep combining
multiple issues surrounding the dupe penalty, often erroneously with back link
juice,rankings, on site dupe content, off site dupe content all thrown in to one
melting pot.

Hell, look if folks want to send the same article out to thousands of sites thinking
they are going to heaven in the SERPS from that identical contents backlinks,
that's fine by me.

Less people to compete with.

Anybody who does SEO for a living will tell you back links placed in unique content
pushes positions in SERPS , identical content pretty much has almost no value
past around 20-30 links from the same content.

Dupe content externally can in NO way hurt your site, it just won't help it.

There's plenty of benefits of content syndication, identical content syndication
that is, but in terms of back link benefits to your "money site", it's naff.

JackPowers 4th June 2010 12:39 PM

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I have a similar list, but it's about 30 directories long and I do think spun articles stay indexed longer.

LIndaB 4th June 2010 12:47 PM

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I agree with Simon on this. Just because you can type in the name of your article in Google and it shows all your submissions does NOT mean all of those are going to rank - or even show up in the main index. I would be interested in knowing, Kate, where exactly those articles rank. I personally think it pays to do some careful spinning, and especially to use a lot of different titles when submitting to various directories.

Also, if you use any of the article networks like Unique Article Wizard, et al, they aren't going to even accept content that isn't spun to some degree. So if someone wants to syndicate their articles to a lot of places, they are probably going to need to do some spinning.

Mokai 4th June 2010 12:49 PM

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i totally agree i have been saying this for a long time duplicate content gets you no where, add real value to the internet and you will reap the benefits

mattlaclear 4th June 2010 12:53 PM

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Yeah I have observed the same type of results myself. So does that mean we can all go to our plr folders and just start ripping thousands of unspun articles out to the article directories every day? If Google isn't penalizing for duplicate content and if even 20% of the sites take the articles you'll still come out way ahead.

Mind you I'm not advocating doing so...so don't start throwing Molatov's at me just yet.

But the logical conclusion looks like Google does indeed index duplicate content in some cases and not in others.

But maybe, just maybe the reason they don't all get indexed is because their crawler hasn't found them all yet.

Or better yet...maybe Google indexes duplicate content only when they see that you are not trying to promote the duplicate content as relevant to their search inquiries and therefore they begrudgingly give you the back link juice.

Or could Google be giving you a false positive just to make you think you're getting credit for the back link because it's showing up in the index but secrety behind the scenes Google tags it as a duplicate.

If enough of us share our experiences we can cross analyze each other's data without ever compromising the our clients keywords.

M3C 4th June 2010 01:04 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
For reference, here's a proper test (as it relates to back link value).

Register 2 pretty much identical domain names. Make them rubbish
for example test12345.com and test54321.com. So neither has
any advantage over the other.

Place on each of the domains 1 page of identical content themed
on a topic.

Choose a 2-3 word phrase you wish to rank for, it will need to have
competition.

Write 1 article themed to match the domain content and submit it
unchanged to 500 sites with an anchor text based back link to your
first domain.

Now go and write 500 unique articles on the same themed subject
and submit them to the SAME 500 sites with the same anchor text
based back link to your second domain.

Obviously your anchored back links will be a phrase themed to the
domain content and content distributed.

Stir until browned, leave to cool.

Do a taste test and see which of your two domains ranked higher.

Any of the , "you don't need to create unique content" crew want
to wager which domain comes limping behind the other in the SERPS?

inter123 4th June 2010 01:18 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
I don't know if its been asked above but what about link value? Google indexes them but does it in any way diminish the link juice as a result of duplication?

Inter

RentItNow 4th June 2010 01:19 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Sounds great, Kate!

The one thing to remember is to get ezine approval first as I have been caught on publishing very similar content on blog first and they denied article (no article, no ezine Page Rank). But I guess you could always leave them out.

IMStudentforlife 4th June 2010 01:30 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim (Post 2178801)
And there again is an entirely different issue altogether.

A site not allowing you to submit an article to them that you submitted
elsewhere is not a duplicate content penalty. It is simply, "Hey buddy,
you got this article on xyz site...you can't have it here too."

This is a TOS issue that is going to be different for every single site out
there. But as far as a penalty for having the content on their site, since
you can't have it there in the first place, there's no penalty. You just
have to find someplace else to put your stuff.

I've only gone for one of the above listed ezine sites (I know I need to do more), and I did read their TOS.

Would any one know of a site that would list the differences of the individual site's TOS ? As to save time.

And what about using one account but having two/three Aliases for writing different articles? as I have two blogs that are in the same category but are a different niches.

(Sorry if this is not the thread for this but I've wondered about this for awhile now.)

sanssecret 4th June 2010 01:42 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Simon
I fully agree with you. It starts to get confusing when you talk about duplicate content in relation to different things, eg, backlinking, indexing, ranking...

Google may very well 'index' all of your duplicate articles. But they won't all rank. Check out the video from Greg Grothaus (Googles' search quality team) posted earlier. They will simply disappear into the supplemental neverland.

Fill your own site up with purely duplicate content and you will find your own rankings 'adjusted accordingly'.

http://www.articlemarketingexplosion...p-content3.png

sorry, Tried to make the image smaller after posting but couldn't resize it, lol.
http://imm.io/D12

KateD 4th June 2010 01:50 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Steven,

Exactly. When people talk about submitting the same article to different article directories, the naysayers jump out and start screaming about "duplicate content".

What I did was article syndication. Not duplicate content. Most people don't know the difference.

KateD


Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim (Post 2178479)
The only place that duplicate content penalties exist is IF you place the
same article on your own domain multiple times.

The problem is not with the definition (technically you are correct) but in
how people perceive duplicate content.

They DON'T think of it in terms of what it actually is.

They DO think of it in terms of what the OP described.

And since THAT is essentially how it is judged (by whether or not you
can get away with submitting the same article, unspun or unaltered
to multiple directories) within that context, the OP is 100% correct.

Even if the technical definition is not the same.

Perception, and how the term is used is all that matters here.

Now, if somebody is stupid enough to put the same article on their
own domain 10 times, well, they'll just have to find out the hard way
that they're going to get slapped.

But that's not what we're talking about here.


KateD 4th June 2010 01:54 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LIndaB (Post 2178999)
I agree with Simon on this. Just because you can type in the name of your article in Google and it shows all your submissions does NOT mean all of those are going to rank - or even show up in the main index. I would be interested in knowing, Kate, where exactly those articles rank. I personally think it pays to do some careful spinning, and especially to use a lot of different titles when submitting to various directories.

Hi...

Point taken. But when I am submitting the articles, I am doing so to get backlinks, not traffic from the articles themselves. So it really doesn't matter to me where it ranks.

And the backlinks do count. When I check the backlinks to my niche blogs, I'll see dozens of them all resulting from the same original article.

KateD

Bill Farnham 4th June 2010 01:55 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimG (Post 2178881)
I didn't have time to post this earlier but the mirror content penalty I suffered occurred when I took an article on my website that I wrote for California Discount Auto Insurance and replaced California with the name of all the other states.

So essentially I had the same article on my site for each state with the only difference being that the state name was different for each article. The net result was within 48 hours my site disappeared from the high search engine rankings it was enjoying and the $3000 a month it was generating from organic search engine traffic was replaced with $300 a month from the traffic my article marketing was sending to the site.

Painful lesson to learn!!

BINGO!

This is generally the way I understand Google defines duplicate content.

Additionally, I have products on my site that fall into several catagories and if were to simply copy the product description and use it in several of the main catagories on my site (skin care, health and beauty, hair products, bath products, as examples) Google would not list all the product pages when someone typed the brand name in.

Dup content is not article syndication as was mentioned.

~Bill

Rhett 4th June 2010 01:58 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim (Post 2178241)
Finally...somebody who gets it.

Spinners are a TOTAL waste of time and duplicate content is a bigger
myth than Big Foot.

Now I'm waiting for all the naysayers to tell us that we're BOTH wrong.

(ducking into my bunker)

Well Steve, if it makes you feel any better (whilst you are inside your bunker, lol), you converted me months ago with your thoughts on this subject!

Saved me hours, even days, of work.

coluden 4th June 2010 02:03 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Sorry if I disappoint but I DON'T believe you are wrong. In fact, I am quite sure that this duplicate content stuff is not the whole truth. In fact, I wonder if the creators of article spinners started 'the rumour'?

Anyway, thanks for sharing your test results. I'll probably still stick to the top 5 or so directories, but as I've said elsewhere, marketers in general give Google much more credit than they deserve.

Janice Sperry 4th June 2010 02:14 PM

Re: CASE STUDY: 1 Article (Identical Content) Submitted to 20 Article Directories 2 Months Ago
 
Here is the best article I have seen on this topic...

The Google Duplicate Content Penalty: The Truth


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