10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job

I cracked my arse off at that. :rolleyes:

lol! and that is too on an info domain

Interesting variation from the "How do I get traffic?!?" threads with signatures that say, "How I get 978945123366478123756459 visitors in one night"... :rolleyes:

I doubt he IS Steve Pavlina...and I doubt Steve Pavlina would come and promote his articles in this way (today, perhaps he used to when I started first).

There might be some changes to the benefit system by new coalition government so you might not have a choice.

True - plus it depends on the job - if you are a talented investment banker, maybe having a job beats IM because you could retire after 10 years. Or if you like animals and nature you might be happy to work at a zoo for example - IM and self employment isn't the solution for everyone. And getting experience in a job is training where you get paid to be taught - not bad at all.

I agree with what he said... The universal truth is that we need to make money to keep on living. And there is nothing stupid about it.....as long as it's clean money.....

If it looks like fertilizer, and smells like fertilizer, well I guess it must be .......... fertilizer

Most people in this position earn plenty; they just don't know how to budget and save money.

We all want big-screen TVs and iPhones... but successful people are able to delay their gratification for more important stuff, like savings and investments.

Cut out your drinking... smoking... drug use... eating out... partying... fast food... buying designer clothes... videogames... whatever.

Then if you STILL can't get ahead financially... I'll accept you're in a bad situation.

By the way... not saying "you" referring to yourself, Curtis. More a general "you".

-Dan

I agree with this and what Steven said. Working for yourself in NOT for everybody.

Incidentally I know a few people who have generated considerable wealth for themselves working for companies.

Yeah, I mean people do it and it works out. But it's a good idea ANYWAYS to have 6 months Emergency fund, and even more if you're self-employed. Why not take the time when you have 2 incomes to do that? You can't rely on unemployment anymore, so you need to save for yourself.

That's a good point and thanks for that alternative view. Most people like to make self-employment look a little more glamorous. The reality is that even most warriors are still working 40 hours a week. And since my father, grandfather, father in law, and grandfather-in-law have all been involved with seperate businesses, I know for a fact that there are some extreme lowpoints.

Thanks for sharing the article - good stuff

I guess that what I thought was a simple observation stirred things up a bit.

Good.

I wasn't taking a shot at the OP, just saw the irony and was amused by it.

Ideally, I think most people here would like to pull the ol' Johnny Paycheck routine and tell the boss to take their job and shove it. I also disagree with telling people they should "never" get a job.

There's a guy I see just about every day that doesn't have a job. He has perfect freedom to do anything he wants, as far as free time goes. The thing is, he has this habit called "eating" that he likes to indulge at least semi-regularly. So he exercises his freedom by standing in the driveway of the local Burger King, the off ramp from the Interstate, or some other high traffic location holding a handmade cardboard sign.

Yup, he's homeless and panhandling. But at least he doesn't have one of those stupid jobs, right?

Regardless of what Pavlina is peddling, there are times when a job may not be that desirable but it is necessary unless you want to make your own cardboard sign and join my acquaintance on a busy corner.

Especially if you have obligations to others - like a spouse and children.

For many people, saying "getting a job is stupid" is like saying putting a roof over the heads of your family, clothes on their backs and food on their plates is stupid. Pardon my French, but that's pure bull****!

howinfo, I believe your intentions were, and still are, good. And for the right individuals in the right situations, the article may be close to right. So I'm aiming this little rant at the article author, not you. Okay?

Nope Not quite

It's definitely unstable. For example, your sites could be de-indexed, the Warrior Forum could go down, customers on your lists could unsubscribe or stop buying your products, etc.

Hmmmm ... I wonder how I've survived for 11 years working full time for myself on the Internet.

That being said, it's not for everyone. If you can't support yourself after giving it a good try ... you need to get a J.O.B.

This kind of glib absolutism becomes pretty transparent, some of us are not meant to be pioneering heroes. Some of us have to learn lessons of humility. I think sometimes sensationalistic propaganda for the mlm/work-at-home sector, who want to quit their jobs every day; it's just meant to sell products.

The OP seems not to think very highly of the "working stiffs"; he seems to demonize them almost. Problem is that point the finger of shame at someone or something and it's really like pointing to a mirror.

1. The making money online dream will remain just a dream for many.
If it's only a dream, a fantasy, it will stay a dream.

2. It can become more expensive than you can afford.
Huh? If a person is serious and studies the business, it should be self-sustaining within days.

3. With a job you'll have a steady and reliable income.
Yup - until you're laid off, fired, the business closes, or you get injured or sick and can't work.

4. You'll be able to pay for the things you need to pay for.
Only if you just need the barest of necessities - and sometimes even then it takes more than one job. No thanks.

5. It gets you out of the house and out from behind the computer.
I do that at the coffee shop with my entrepreneurial friends. Why spend 9-10 hours a day making someone else wealthy so I can 'get out of the house'?

6. You get to meet and talk with other people.
See #5

7. You learn more about life.
By spending my day in a cubicle amongst automatons who only live to get up and go to work the next day? I suppose I could learn that that was something I do NOT want to do - but I already know that.

8. A job will still allow you to pursue your online dream, with the money to pay for expenses.
See #2

9. You'll have free health insurance and a pension (in many cases).
Until health insurance gets too expensive for the employer to buy and they hand you off to the government. That's just what I am dreaming of - some bureaucrat in a windowless closet somewhere controlling whether or not I can see a health professional for what may ail me, and how much Mr. Bureaucrat will authorize the all-powerful government agency to pay the health professional that I don't have the freedom to choose. Ahhh, utopia at last.

A pension that pays what? Half of what you couldn't live on while you were working at your job?

10. You'll have more borrowing power with the banks.
So you'll be able to die in debt and have what little estate you have be taken by creditors? Why not just pay for what you want instead of borrowing?

11. You'll be respected by society, they will finally understand what you do!
That is my overriding concern - to be 'respected' by society. Yup. NOT.

I am sure there are many other reasons for getting a job and I am sure many "online marketers" will discover even more reasons for getting a job as time goes on.
People who play at online marketing, who don't treat it as the powerful and lucrative business it is will have lots of reasons for getting a job. People who don't, for whatever reason, have the commitment level necessary to make a living online will be doomed to forever working for someone else.

My point of view: why work for someone else when I can work for myself?

There are pros and cons with each approach. It is really up to the individual to decide which route they want to take, and then stick with it. If you're going to chase the online dream, then I'd suggest going all out and not just settle for "good enough" - you want to enjoy the fruits of your labor in a spectacular fashion, and not just get by, because I don't think it'd justify all your effort and hard work to only end up with mediocre results.

Exactly, jobs aren't as secure as they may have been 20 or 30 years ago. These days, it has become a growing trend to reward and praise high level management in large corporate firms when they "cut costs", and guess what's the easiest way to do so? Get rid of a few employees and make the remaining ones pick up the slack left by the departed.

Reading through the responses in this and the many similar threads, it seems to me that you could break things down this way...

> Some have extremely negative experiences in the workplace. Some of this can be laid on the expectations raised by some education programs. For example, my upper division engineering classes covered things like new product design, project management, etc. My first actual engineering job was integrating two product lines after an acquisition, which boiled down to hours spent comparing specs, bills of materials, etc. which made watching paint dry seem endlessly exciting. Some blame can be laid on the fact that some bosses are jackasses. ('BOSS' is Stupid S.O.B. spelled backwards :p)

This means they've developed a rational dislike for the whole process of being employed by someone else. Like Ben Franklin said, a cat that sits on a hot stove once will never do it again, nor will she sit on a cold one.

> Some believe the propaganda that entrepreneurship is the short path to endless leisure coupled with endless wealth. They become zealots, guarding the dream and fighting with anyone who has any other idea.

> Some are just whistling in the graveyard. So they trot out phrases like 'wage slave' and 'mindless robot'. They're afraid that they may not measure up, so they rail against that which they fear.

The simple truth is, never in history has there been a one-sided coin.

It depends how you do it mate... I go to an office and work around other IM'ers, start ups, artists, fashion designers.

You don't need to sit at home behind a computer all day. In fact, I only became effective when I started using an office outside of my house.

Yes that's definitly important. Not working for anybody is good, earning money over the internet is good but you need to have your roots in the "real" world and live a balanced life.

This thread made me smile as I found out today my current contract will not be renewed after the 13th of December.

I work as a contractor and started the year jobless and may end it jobless, I did however spend 12 years in a secure job which was great but ultimately I was dying inside. I knew I had more to give and this job did not allow me to realise my dreams.

Although my Internet career is progressing, it is not bringing home the bacon yet, thus I will have to find a new contract and take another look at my online activity and get those income streams running faster.

A job is a safety net to many and until they have a system online that works, they need to remain realistic and keep moving forward and not expect overnight miracles, no matter how much they may need them.