Was it a mistake to allow my personal feelings get in the way of business?

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I feel like I broke a cardinal rule of business (keep it business and don't get personally involved) and I'm not sure how to proceed.

I hired a writer from the Warriors for Hire section to rewrite an article for me. The original article wasn't bad but it wasn't great and this is for my business site which requires quality content.

The writer charged $15 for the rewrite (which I consider at the higher end of the writers you find on the WF). Her portfolio, website and recommendations were all great.

She did a good job and I asked for another rewrite and for her to work on some of my web pages. The first job was the rewrite and that money was sent via paypal first. The turnaround was to be 48 hours. The money for the web pages followed a few days later.

At the four day mark, I sent her an email asking about the ETA for the rewrite. She had run into some computer problems and was delayed and I'd have it the next day (a Saturday). Saturday came and went with no communication and no article.

I called her home twice and left messages, emailed her and PM"s her on the WF.

Emailed her again on Sunday - nothing.

I started suspecting there was a personal issue involved due to some postings on her Facebook account. I felt badly for her but was upset at the lack of communication.

I let her know that I wanted a refund and didn't hear from her for 2 days. She finally admitted she was going through some stuff and had some setbacks but wanted to complete the work.

I had already disputed both payments with paypal.

I decided to call her so we can handle this more directly. She told me about some of her problems and I shared similar situations that I had been through and I thought it was a very good call.

She asked me to remove the paypal disputes and she'd complete the work. I agreed but told her to work on the article rewrite and depending on the turnaround and quality, I'd make a decision on the other pending work.

She promised me the article by 12 noon that day.

At 12:49pm I received an email saying that it was running a little late but that I'd be getting it.

I never did.

Unfortunately, I had closed one of the paypal disputes (for the higher sum of money) and somehow just left a comment on the other one instead of closing it which is what I meant to do.

Several days later I requested my refund emailing her that she was apparently not ready to get back to work and it was find but I needed my money and to find another writer.

She refunded $15.00 that was still in dispute, but mentioned nothing about the other payment.

I emailed her about that and she told me that she simply didn't have the money because she had to refund a large sum to another client.

I feel like a fool! I let her pour her heart to me (she genuinely seems like a nice person) and someone else's refund is more important than mine. I would have given her chance if she have kept her word and kept me apprised of any delays.

Of course, she's still willing to write for me but I can't trust that she'll follow through.

Did I make a mistake getting sucked into this situation and giving someone the benefit of the doubt?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Clearly, the writer was wrong not to get the work done on time. That's a given.

    However, I think the situation was made worse by frequent calls, emails and PM's even after you had filed paypal disputes (which seems to have been done very quickly).

    You can't force someone to answer you or to do what you want. The more you push the farther the person will back up. The personal issues are irrelevant. Did you visit her facebook page out of curiosity - or to see what she was doing?

    If you want to give the benefit of the doubt - you would give her a certain number of days to complete the work she did not refund. Make it a reasonable number of days. Tell her that ONCE - and then don't contact her again. If she gets the work done or refunds the money - it's done. Let her know if she doesn't solve the problem, you will post about it in her for hire thread. There's not much more you can do - but remember in the future not all writers require payment in advance.

    Some people cannot separate business from personal issues - and a writer can find it impossible to focus and create good text when upset by personal problems. Shouldn't happen perhaps - but it does happen because we're human.

    Not your fault and shouldn't affect your business - but in this case it did.
    Constant badgering, though, won't yield the result you want.

    Regroup - re-plan - and perhaps the problem can be solved.

    Good luck

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    • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
      I don't think I badgered her at all. If someone promises to complete a project by a set time and doesn't, then you have every right to find out what happened. In fact, you have no way of knowing if someone is receiving your emails and she hadn't visited the forum during that time so the PM was a moot point.

      She gave me a definite date for delivery of the article and then disappeared. She seemed like a responsible person with a well-established web presence and I was genuinely worried. That's WHY I visited her FB page and saw there were some other issues.

      We spoke by phone and commiserated, explained that I was very easy to work with as long as she communited. That same day she promised the article by 12 noon. That was 4 days ago and nothing.

      What bothers me is that we had such a good conversation and she promised to get right on my article and then flaked on me.

      Oh well, live and learn. I would prefer that someone tell me they can't do the work because of x, y, or z, rather than string me along. Especially when I was so understanding.

      BTW, I didn't file the paypal disputes UNTIL after I tried to reach her and was unable to do for a week. I also cleared one of the disputes (and actually meant to clear the other but just ending up posting a comment).

      The paypal dispute came after two weeks of being blown off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Oh well, live and learn. I would prefer that someone tell me they can't due the work because of x, y, or z, rather than string me along. Especially when I was so understanding.
        I agree with that. Communication when there's a delay is crucial.
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  • Profile picture of the author danny79
    your only mistake was setting up a deal like that in the first place. from now on, only make payment AFTER the job is done. a few people won't want to work with you, and that's fine, because most will be cool with it.

    when it's all said and done, you can't trust people you meet on the internet. to give you a little perspective, i work part-time as a freelance graphic designer. i also out-source jobs from time-to-time. when i'm getting hired, i require 1/2 up front. when i hire someone, i don't pay a dime until the job is done.
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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    Well I don't give contractors a hard time because most of them are not that great and it just gives me heart burn. If they aren't good I pay them and move on to someone else.

    Its always a mistake for me when I get into any situation that puts me in a bad mood.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    Well I don't really think there was a mistake on either part. Life happens.

    You did what you could, and she did what she thought was right. As you've already said she genuinely seems to be a nice person and already has some great warrior reviews. Sometimes, things get in the way and we are no more professional.

    I am sorry for your experience, and I'm sure she is too. If she is experienced enough, she knows the cost of bad repo specially on the Warrior Forum but she couldn't help much could she.

    So let it pass as a learning experience. I have had similar stuff happen to me too.
    Probably worse!

    I have a friend, a close one. Who has paid me way more money than I'm offering on the Warrior Forum in ma graphics wso. I still haven't done her work.

    Which is really unfair to her. But she knows I ran into some problems but kept the communication. Now I'm going to do her designs and much much more. Probably a few more sites for free to compensate for the time lost and frustration.

    Communication really is the key.

    Maddi
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  • First off, sorry to hear of your problems!

    Time and time again you hear how important communication is in business, and it's so true it's not funny! I've been in two circumstances in my last two jobs in which if communication was much much better then a lot, and I mean A LOT, of pain could have been avoided.

    During my last job I was badgered A LOT and it made me not want to contact them back. A prime (it might sound silly) example was I would receive and email and that person would call me straight away saying, "Have you read my e-mail?" Grrrrrr. It's so easy to put people who badger to the bottom of the pile. I'm not saying you badgered her, since you had obviously already paid for a service and were expecting the agreed product, but the high amount of calls/messages etc could have added to the lack of communication? Who knows!

    Maybe you could agree a 50% fee in the future and the remainder could be released if you're happy with the result? Although this may incur unecessary bank/paypal charges?
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    • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
      Just a little update...

      Sometimes we do have to trust our judgment and after having a conversation with my fellow warrior, we have worked things out and I'm thrilled to be working with her!

      Thank you for all your comments and suggestions! It is also great to learn that our faith in others can be rewarded.

      All the best,
      Merlyn
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      • Profile picture of the author marcus2929
        Sorry to hear your problems, sounds like this writer may be a scammer! ive had same with a female writer i used she started sending articles then just stopped with no contact then she gave me a sob story, luckily i got refund! i used her again 8 months later and she did the exact same!

        $15 sounds a bit high for a rewrite. You should be expecting them within 24 hours! i use article writers who charge $5 to $7 for a 500 to 700 word unique, well writen article and normally get them in batches of 20 a week. And all pass through copyscape! and no money changes hand till work is complete .

        Try freelancer.com theres some rubbish writers on there but there are a few gems, you post a 'job' and and freelancers bid for it, you can also read bidders reviews of old work they have done so you know what they are like
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        • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
          I'm glad to hear you got it straightened out!

          Although, for what it's worth, not every warrior who charges on the high end of article writing is a scammer. I charge $20-25 per article and they are written exceptionally well because I go the extra mile and do the research instead of just rehashing what other people have put out there.

          I also agree with Kay, a good writer doesn't need a fire under their butt to keep them on task, but if they do, constantly harping at them doesn't make it any better, it just makes resentment build up. Of course, everyone has times where things are beyond their control (speaking from the experience of having a computer hit by lightning!), but you, the business owner, shouldn't be responsible for that.
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      • Profile picture of the author tecHead
        Originally Posted by MerlynSanchez View Post

        Just a little update...

        Sometimes we do have to trust our judgment and after having a conversation with my fellow warrior, we have worked things out and I'm thrilled to be working with her!

        Thank you for all your comments and suggestions! It is also great to learn that our faith in others can be rewarded.

        All the best,
        Merlyn
        Call me a cynic if you must; but, after all that she's put you through I'd be very careful with what I entrusted her with; regardless of your ... no, more importantly because of your recent conversation.

        And this thread... she's a Warrior.. she's trying to make money... eventually her name could have been dropped... less money...

        I don't know her; I don't know you... I'm just offering up a professional courtesy to you that you might want to be a little more cautious about what you entrust to her regarding your business. Let her regain that level of trust you are wanting to give her; (you obviously like this woman).

        You can still like her and even become really good friends without allowing her to put your business in a compromising situation, again. And its not necessarily the separation of the two; its just the decisions you make regarding how much to trust her with... on both sides (actually).

        Good luck to both of you... may you prosper both in friendship and business

        HTH
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
    It's scary when I read your post, I had a similar experience on DigitalPoint once. To be fair this woman was really lovely and seemed absolutely genuine and then disappeared.

    Promised some deadlines and nothing ever happened till I opened a Paypal dispute and received my money back from her through their decision. The minute the money was taken from her account she contacted me and promised the world and I simply said if she delivered the work I will pay her since I have already paid her in the past, and she swore she would and then disappeared again.

    To me that was plain scam-like in a weird way. Good thing I got my money back in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I'd have dropped her like a stunned mullet. Hit the refund, and forget about it.

    Give the work to somebody else.

    I don't have time for stuff like that.

    Of course stuff can get in the way sometimes. But "stuff" should never get in the way enough for you to break with the communication.

    If we set a deadline... hit it, or leave. It really is as simple as that.

    An upfront phone call, or e-mail before deadline day might get you more time... but anything after that is just BS.

    Of course, the above is only my opinion... not to everybody's taste, I'm sure

    Peace

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    • Profile picture of the author mlord10
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      I'd have dropped her like a stunned mullet. Hit the refund, and forget about it.

      Give the work to somebody else.

      I don't have time for stuff like that.

      Of course stuff can get in the way sometimes. But "stuff" should never get in the way enough for you to break with the communication.

      If we set a deadline... hit it, or leave. It really is as simple as that.

      An upfront phone call, or e-mail before deadline day might get you more time... but anything after that is just BS.

      Of course, the above is only my opinion... not to everybody's taste, I'm sure

      Peace

      Jay
      This sounds harsh when you first read it, but I could not agree more. This is a business, and if you let personal feelings get involved then chances are you are going to get burned in some form or fashion.

      She was the provider, and you were the client. I would say just the working relationship off if she cannot provide timely work.
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