Using Affiliate Hijacker - Is it Ethical?

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Hi All,

I purchased Affiliate Hijacker a few months back, I've been playing around with it tonight to produce a few "Affiliate" sites that have been "cloned" as it were from the originals . . .

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Now my question, is doing this morally wrong? I have mixed feelings - every sale I make with the affiliate sites that I create will give the original owners money in their pocket. Whilst basically I'm copying the whole design - which could be against copyright laws?

However, If i'm not mistaken using Affiliate Hijacker, I'm not actally hosting the design on my server?

Looking forward to hearing your responses. . . . I'd like to sell a few of these!

Simon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
    I would contact the publisher and check their TOS.

    They usually do not allow this.

    Best!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jose Delgado
      on the real website, you can see a copyscape badge on the bottom that says:

      "DO NOT COPY"

      hmmmm... I wonder what that means.

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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    if you're using iframe technology, then it's perfectly fine. it's not an actual clone of it at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      if you're using iframe technology, then it's perfectly fine. it's not an actual clone of it at all.
      AH works very, very similar. Iframes also merely display the remote site, the URL in the browser could stay on your URL. It's only technical differences in regards to the implementation, the basics are the same.
      However, no one would ask whether "iframes are illegal". (From a clickbank TOS view i think i remember they are actually not "legal" either since hoplinks are supposed to open in a NEW TOP window)
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Nicholls
    I saw that, but again - I ask the question;

    Am I actually copying it? Afterall when I use AH I don't use the original website code - it look's like a redirect of some sort?

    Sorry, I'm still new to all of this, so any questions that may sound silly are things that I'm interested in finding out!
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Ezy Dollar View Post

      I saw that, but again - I ask the question;

      Am I actually copying it? Afterall when I use AH I don't use the original website code - it look's like a redirect of some sort?

      Sorry, I'm still new to all of this, so any questions that may sound silly are things that I'm interested in finding out!
      AH/ASQ fetches a remote site and displays it "on the fly", but it doesn't store any site elements on your server. Similar like a redirect or iframe redirect would "display" a site under another URL... (many affiliates do this for their affiliate links)...AH/ASQ is just a little more advanced

      Btw. the name/branding was changed to get rid of the "underground theme" since AH/ASQ does not use any black hat technique really (at least not at default settings). Furthermore i wanted to distance myself from affiliatehijack.com which has nothing to do with my tool at all!
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    What does AH do exactly, maybe you can be a bit more clear so a clearer answer can be given.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    If you have to ask the question, you should already have your answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Nicholls
    AH will create a "copy" of the site code and will add your Affiliate links.(I say Copy as I don't know exactly what it is yet . . )

    I believe it also protects your own affiliate links.

    I've attatched a copy of the code . .

    http://www.ezydollar.net/AH.JPG
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Nicholls
    Looking at the code, it look's like a redirect?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    this has just relaunched recently as a new WSO but its now changed its name

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...marketing.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Nicholls
    Interesting - Well if it was illegal I guess it wouldn't be allowed to be run as a WSO?
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

        So Allen is expected to take legal advice over every WSO before it gets published, is that what you're saying?
        Guys,

        i was approved for Clickbank yesterday and ASQ is on the marketplace now, you know they have a very strict policy and checked out my product in advance!
        AH is running as a WSO for some time already (pretty successful i might add), and the one example with the person wanting to sell a site on DP and getting a letter from the owner is one extreme example.

        It really depends what you DO with it.

        Michael: i use my own tool for (most) of my own clickbank affiliate sites...there are so many products i see worth to promote where i just don't have the time/patience to make a squeeze page from scratch. Ironically, some of my AH-made sites go way better than some of my sites where i literally build everything from scratch.
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    I know this doesn't answer your question and I've been reading your responses because I was thinking about buying this program. This question aside, is it worth it? Do you make good sales?
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Everything legal isn't ethical. How would you feel if you had built a program and someone did what you are doing? If it bothers you, take that as your first clue - any clue after that doesn't count.

      If you do have questions, though - perhaps you should contact the person who owns the target site in question. If there isn't anything wrong with what you are doing and they agree (you did say they would still get their commissions?), you have it in writing from the get and don't have to worry beyond that.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        HeySal,

        of course. The commissions are the same. AH/ASQ does nothing even remotely having to do anything with "stealing commissions". (Another reason for my rebranding as ASQ). The sales happen like any normal affiliate sale, seller gets exactly the commission the vendor specified.


        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Everything legal isn't ethical. How would you feel if you had built a program and someone did what you are doing? If it bothers you, take that as your first clue - any clue after that doesn't count.

        If you do have questions, though - perhaps you should contact the person who owns the target site in question. If there isn't anything wrong with what you are doing and they agree (you did say they would still get their commissions?), you have it in writing from the get and don't have to worry beyond that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Everything legal isn't ethical. How would you feel if you had built a program and someone did what you are doing? If it bothers you, take that as your first clue - any clue after that doesn't count.

        If you do have questions, though - perhaps you should contact the person who owns the target site in question. If there isn't anything wrong with what you are doing and they agree (you did say they would still get their commissions?), you have it in writing from the get and don't have to worry beyond that.
        There are a few of these scripts out there using I-frames.

        Most publishers do not allow their own copy to be used by affiliates and clearly state it in their TOS.

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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Everything legal isn't ethical. How would you feel if you had built a program and someone did what you are doing? If it bothers you, take that as your first clue - any clue after that doesn't count.
        Personally I wouldn't care if affiliates cloned my page so long as at the end of the day I'm getting the sales (as the product owner).

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Hello guys, maker of AH/ASQ here.

    I can tell you that i sold many many hundreds copies of AH/ASQ to date, and i did not have ONE issue a customer having problems with a vendor.
    The reason is that the majority of AH/ASQ users use affiliate programs like clickbank, so the vendors are fine with promoting.

    Ezy: AH/ASQ *can* redirect, i implemented this to be 100% conform to ClickBank TOS (hoplink has to open in top window, etc..etc..)
    However, AH/ASQ can also work without redirects in different ways. If it does redirect, there is also always a real site underneath, the redirect only to get the link in the most confirm way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Interesting - Well if it was illegal I guess it wouldn't be allowed to be run as a WSO?
    Not true at all.

    The WSO forum is a buy at your own risk forum. There is no due diligence done on the products or offers.

    If you copy/clone someone's website code completely you are breaking copyright law.

    I don't know how this software works but it if entails copying of iframing other people's websites without permission you should avoid it at all costs.

    Unless of course you savor the idea of having to defend your self in a copyright lawsuit and pay all your legal and defense fees regardless of whether you win or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      According to this, thousands of affiliates who use iframes or redirects, like the widely used "www.example.com/recommends/affiliateproduct.php" redirect method would be "semi criminals" since they "point to" and show the target site in question.

      The target site in question (in the case of clickbank) is reached via hoplink, it is a site/landing page which is *intended* for the purpose that 3rd parties (affiliates) use the link to promote/sell the product.

      Any current method of affiliate link cloaking/hiding uses similar methods (if they stay on the original url)..and therefore would be "illegal".
      However, i repeated a few times, eg. in the FAQ that it never can hurt to ask a vendor beforehand, just to avoid confusion.
      There might be some vendors who dont want you to use the design/look of their sales/clickbank landing pages - but i can tell you that the huge majority, especially on programs like clickbank are glad if affiliates promote and sell their products, also with iframing methods, "hijacked" or whatever we want to call it. (Noteworthy to mention, again, that nothing of the target site is stored on the server, the site is merely "displayed".)
      While there might be some vendors who do not want affiliates to use their design/materials there are others who actually offer pre-made PR material like banners/headers/whole sites, they even encourage them to use this material on their affiliate sites.



      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      Not true at all.

      The WSO forum is a buy at your own risk forum. There is no due diligence done on the products or offers.

      If you copy/clone someone's website code completely you are breaking copyright law.

      I don't know how this software works but it if entails copying of iframing other people's websites without permission you should avoid it at all costs.

      Unless of course you savor the idea of having to defend your self in a copyright lawsuit and pay all your legal and defense fees regardless of whether you win or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author timpears
        I got to say, this talk of "illegal" gets me wound up. It may just be sloppy use of English, but words have real meaning and I find this a little hard to comprehend. What I think I see folks talking about here is Clickbank rules, or am I reading it wrong? If it is Clickbank rules, then I am sorry but Clickbank does not make law, they are not the government, are they? Or am I reading copyright law breaking? I am just a little confused.

        One thing I would like to know from the vendor or anyone else that knows, does this product allow you to capture info to populate your list with this product? Maybe this question would be better asked in the WSO now running. Either way, I would be interested to know the answers to both my questions if somoene can be so kind.
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      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      I don't know how this software works but it if entails copying of iframing other people's websites without permission you should avoid it at all costs.
      And as I stated above, if someone has enough doubt about something to ask here whether or not a method is "ethical" then that should be enough reason NOT to use the method.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
        Originally Posted by faxinator View Post

        And as I stated above, if someone has enough doubt about something to ask here whether or not a method is "ethical" then that should be enough reason NOT to use the method.
        I know that is a popular opinion, but I disagree. What in the world is wrong with someone asking if a technique is OK?

        Example: "Is it ethical to put my website in my sig file on the forum?"
        Answer: "If you have to ask, it must be unethical."
        Truth: It's perfectly acceptable.

        Example 2: "Is it OK to run a WSO just to give something away instead of selling it?"
        Answer: "If you have to ask, it must be against the rules."
        Truth: It's allowed.

        I could make up 100 more examples, but I hope you get the point.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    tim,

    i think the debate is rather in regards to whether vendors allow (or not) the use of their site-(design) by their affiliates. Clickbank rules and implementation of (hop-) links is another story, although related

    Tim,
    my product allows the "overlay" of elements over a web page via editor. This can be everything, including HTML code, videos, links, whatever. From that point of view it might theoretically be possible - also by other means like after-editing the page and injecting some list code.
    "Out of the box" AH/ASQ does not provide such functionality.

    I get many requests for certain features, one often asked for is adding/editing tags/descriptions. But this would somehow conflict with the original simplicity and purpose. Otherwise you could use a full blown web editor and edit/add away and change the page however you like it.

    We implemented the "banner feature" mainly with the idea in mind to leave the original site 100% intact and unchanged. We had some vendors who were fine with using their sites - but not to change any elements. That's why we use the "overlay banner".
    The list idea of yours is not bad, i would have to think about it how doable it would be and how it would go together with the rest.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      I appreciate your response. I am thinking about the purchase, but my situation is financially very bad. So even $47 has to be a big decision. There is much I don't know why your system will help me any better than having a squeeze page and then sending them on to the original sales page of the vendor. There must obviously be a reason. So I was thinking why not a squeeze page that sends the visitor to this page your script generates. Or, why not generate a pop up like seen on many pages to gather that data for a list, and hopefully include some kind of free report etc.

      I am struggling now to figure the best way to build a list. Being unable to work and living on SS disability makes it a little difficult to have extra money to do the stuff i would like to as most things, like your software cost money which I don't have. But no one said it was easy, and we all have to deal with the problems life brings us.

      Anyway, I am glad I got you thinking about the list. I think it is probably a very important part. I think the answer is in this post, it is just the coding that needs to be figured out. But that is definitely over my pay grade.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    tim,

    the main intention of AH/ASQ is actually be able to make as many sites as possible in very little time. Creating a squeeze page can be a lot of work.

    AH/ASQ would allow to create dozens, even hundreds of pages, say, from ClickBank...you would just chose whatever you want and then put the site up, it wouldn't take longer than a minute per site/product. The power would be in the quantity of sites you can make....as oposed to putting work in one squeeze page.

    (I myself would have to experiment with putting things like forms into the editor to gather data...interesting idea!)
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      So George,

      I think I am going to have to charge you royalties on this form idea. You are kind of twisting my arm to buy this software. If you get the form thing figured out and I bought it, would I get the upgrade or would I need to buy that or would it be included in the price as now offered?
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    Just as a warning, i have AH and i cloned the same WOW site as you and i received a C&D from the owner threatening to sue me and he blocked my servers IP so i couldn't connect to his site anymore until i removed it
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    • Profile picture of the author LB
      Originally Posted by SpudDS View Post

      Just as a warning, i have AH and i cloned the same WOW site as you and i received a C&D from the owner threatening to sue me and he blocked my servers IP so i couldn't connect to his site anymore until i removed it
      That's not entirely true...you were selling the cloned sites on Digital Point...and your domain name contained copyrighted terms.

      2 very important distinctions over just framing a site for affiliate promotion.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
        Originally Posted by LB View Post

        That's not entirely true...you were selling the cloned sites on Digital Point...and your domain name contained copyrighted terms.

        2 very important distinctions over just framing a site for affiliate promotion.
        How can you say it is not entirely true when i didnt say anything that was a lie?

        Everything i said in my post was true.

        I was just posting a warning for the OP but if people are not bothered then on their heads be it
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          Originally Posted by SpudDS View Post

          How can you say it is not entirely true when i didnt say anything that was a lie?

          Everything i said in my post was true.

          I was just posting a warning for the OP but if people are not bothered then on their heads be it
          You were not threatened with suit or served a C&D, you received a post on a forum (pretty politely) asking you not to sell cloned sites because of copyright.

          I think most people here would agree that whether or not AH is "illegal" that selling the cloned/framed sites is probably NOT a very good idea and not what the software was really intended for either.
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
            Originally Posted by LB View Post

            You were not threatened with suit or served a C&D, you received a post on a forum (pretty politely) asking you not to sell cloned sites because of copyright.

            I think most people here would agree that whether or not AH is "illegal" that selling the cloned/framed sites is probably NOT a very good idea and not what the software was really intended for either.
            Number one you dont know what was said via PM between me and the owner.
            Number two i was taught to use this software to flip sites from a fellow warrior who is a partner or friends with AH owner.
            Number three why does it bother you so much what i say and do?
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Nicholls
    Some interesting comments here!

    So, let me get this straight, using the software doesn't actually copy the website but just uses the Clickbank hoplink code?

    Nice piece of software though!
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Nicholls
    No not at all, but if it was illegal surely the "Warrior Police" would call for the WSO to be deleted?

    I think we've come to a conclusion that using this tool is not illegal, do we all agree?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I agree with faxinator, if you have to ask then deep down you know the answer.

    Some of the responses look like thinly veiled justifications for less than ethical behavior.

    I also agree with Sal. Illegality is not the same as unethical, but that doesn't make unethical okay.

    Good luck with whatever decision you come to. For the record, I have recently expanded my business to sell affiliate products, and I do just fine - and do not use AH or anything else like it.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Lesley Huntley
    I had it happen to one of my Clickbank products, and for one reason or another, my actual site disappeared from Google, so the cloned version of my page was now enjoying the traffic from my much laboured over, painstakingly created copy.

    I don't know why my site disappeared from Google, but soon after I asked them to remove the clone of my site from their domain, (which they quickly did, to their credit), my site mysteriously reappeared in Google a week later.

    It was a conundrum all round, one I wouldn't like a repeat of. I have to say personally, I'm not a fan.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Originally Posted by Lesley Huntley View Post

      I had it happen to one of my Clickbank products, and for one reason or another, my actual site disappeared from Google, so the cloned version of my page was now enjoying the traffic from my much laboured over, painstakingly created copy.

      I don't know why my site disappeared from Google, but soon after I asked them to remove the clone of my site from their domain, (which they quickly did, to their credit), my site mysteriously reappeared in Google a week later.

      It was a conundrum all round, one I wouldn't like a repeat of. I have to say personally, I'm not a fan.
      The person whom cloned your site was much more experienced at this type of system and SEO tactics as well.

      They probably run hundreds, maybe thousands of promotions this way.

      And yes, some of the biggest names in marketing do this as well, though I do not agree with it.

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      • Profile picture of the author Lesley Huntley
        Originally Posted by Eric Lorence View Post

        The person whom cloned your site was much more experienced at this type of system and SEO tactics as well.
        I'm sure they were more experienced about hijacking sites and inserting their link, but I'm obsessive about SEO. They why they were able to rank well for all my targeted keywords through on page optimisation alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Nicholls
    Totally agree with Georg, Sorry for doubting your excellent program!
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  • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
    OK, perhaps I'm missing some nuances here that make a big difference?

    This program allows the marketer to create a page on the fly that has the exact same look and feel of the actual sales page - including copy and graphics, but it inserts cloaked hoplinks. Is that correct?

    If so, then I see a huge problem with it. It's copying someone else's work and passing it off as your own, regardless of the technical way it's done. I'm not sure why saying that nothing gets stored on my own server makes it any less unethical.

    At the very least, if you do choose to use this program, I would definitely make it a part of the process to contact the actual site owner and ask him/her if it's OK.

    As one person already stated, negative consequences for the actual product site owner are very possible (google smack for duplicate content?). Not to mention the fact that not all marketers approve of wholesale copying of their sales page - even if it is for affiliates.

    I have no idea if lots of people do this or not. It really has to be a personal decision. So, for the OP, what do you feel comfortable doing?

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

      OK, perhaps I'm missing some nuances here that make a big difference?

      This program allows the marketer to create a page on the fly that has the exact same look and feel of the actual sales page - including copy and graphics, but it inserts cloaked hoplinks. Is that correct?

      If so, then I see a huge problem with it. It's copying someone else's work and passing it off as your own, regardless of the technical way it's done. I'm not sure why saying that nothing gets stored on my own server makes it any less unethical.

      At the very least, if you do choose to use this program, I would definitely make it a part of the process to contact the actual site owner and ask him/her if it's OK.

      As one person already stated, negative consequences for the actual product site owner are very possible (google smack for duplicate content?). Not to mention the fact that not all marketers approve of wholesale copying of their sales page - even if it is for affiliates.

      I have no idea if lots of people do this or not. It really has to be a personal decision. So, for the OP, what do you feel comfortable doing?

      Cindy

      Not exactly... you aren't passing it off as your own you are just now in control as an affiliate. The product owner still gets credit for the sale..

      Mike Hill

      PS. Google duplicate content... you're kidding right?
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      • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
        Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

        Not exactly... you aren't passing it off as your own you are just now in control as an affiliate. The product owner still gets credit for the sale..
        Except that the visitor immediate sees the web page created by the producer (images, sales page, etc.). This is done without first asking the producer if this is OK. To me, that is trying to pass someone else's site off as your own.

        Some producers do welcome that action by their affiliates. However, some do not. Yes, the producer gets credit for their portion of the sale, but that isn't the question.



        Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

        PS. Google duplicate content... you're kidding right?
        I do not profess to know what's behind google's web ranking strategy. I made this mention of duplicate content (with a question mark) in response to an earlier poster's mention of her site disappearing completely...and another site taking it's place...in the results.

        Her site did not reappear until the offending site was taken down. Coincidence? Possible. Some sort of duplicate content penalty? Also possible. Remember, duplicate content is not just about the text. In the example above, the entire site structure, images and text were duplicated. I do think that made google cranky.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    Let's play the $100,000 Pyramid:

    "unicorns, the tooth fairy, duplicate content penalty, fire-breathing dragons"

    Category: Things that don't exist.
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    • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
      Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

      Let's play the $100,000 Pyramid:

      "unicorns, the tooth fairy, duplicate content penalty, fire-breathing dragons"

      Category: Things that don't exist.
      Hardy har har!
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

      Let's play the $100,000 Pyramid:

      "unicorns, the tooth fairy, duplicate content penalty, fire-breathing dragons"

      Category: Things that don't exist.
      lol
      By the way, in terms of PPC, if i would just need a quick landing page for my PPC campaigns, i really wouldn't care about duplicates.
      It might also be "quite difficult" (to say it mildly) to promote a known product off ClickBank (Say, "Affiliate Elite" et. all) and NOT have a dupe....with a product which hundreds/thousands promote.
      There are better methods to make a new site from scratch for such situations, and Affiliate Site Quick (Affiliate Hijacker) would not be the tool for "making a site from scratch", its not a site designer. Then better get out your MS Expression WEB instead...
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  • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
    Perhaps it (duplicate content penalty) doesn't exist, but someone experienced a negative consequence as a result of a copied web page - that was my central point.

    I'm sorry to the OP that my initial response - which included the term duplicate content - brought the topic off course. My bad.

    Cindy
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Let me just say - as a ClickBank merchant - that I think that this software is a great idea. If someone is putting out a clone of one of my websites to make ME more money, then more power to them. This is much better than some I've seen. I've seen some cloning software that will clone an entire clickbank site, and then allows you to add your own payment processor - like paypal - to the cloned site. Now THAT is stealing.

    This one just seems like a great affiliate tool. Or am I missing something here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Nicholls
    Interesting thoughts everyone . . .

    Well, I've deicded to create these sites and then sell them on ebay, hopefully to make some $$ for Christmas!
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I don't own this product, but I don't see why product creators would see it as a copyright infringement. People who create products to be sold by affiliates are making the sales pages for the affiliates to use. If I understand the concept of this product, the only difference between this and "normal" affiliate page promotion is that affiliates can show the sales page using their own domain, as opposed to displaying the exact same page with the affiliate site url on it...or using a redirect. Either way, the affiliates are using the sales page made by the product creator (or their copywriter). Since the creator of the product presumably wants the affiliates to use the page to make sales, I don't see the problem.

    Technically it might be a violation of copyright law (I really don't know --but copyright laws can get very gray when it comes to the internet) ), but the real purpose of copyright law for something like this would be to prevent someone from stealing a page and using it to sell a different product, thus cheating the original creator. Here, you would just be doing what affiliates always do, with a slightly different twist that doesn't change the outcome for the product owner, but might be more advantageous for the affiliate (SEO advantage of having your own domain, and whatever else this program might do).
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Okay, I don't normally get into topics about technology, but I've been
      affiliate marketing for Clickbank for 6 years now.

      As you know, or maybe you don't know, because of spam complaints, you are
      no longer allowed to use Clickbank hop links in emails. If you're going to
      promote a Clickbank product, you have to use a redirect.

      So, what I do is is create a simple PHP script for each of my ads and put
      it on a rotator. I won't print the whole code because it will drive you nuts
      but effectively what it does is it takes a URL that looks like this...

      httpxx://www.stevewagenheim.com/rotator.php?ad=32

      and when the user clicks on the link, they are redirected to the main
      sales page through my hoplink that is inside the php script.

      Now, in essence, doesn't this make it look like it's my sales page since
      that's what they're seeing?

      So I don't see the difference between what I'm doing (which Clickbank
      has approved and every vendor I use has had no problems with) and
      what this AH thing does. Of course I don't know all the particulars but
      isn't AH nothing but just a redirect script, or am I missing something?
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Okay, I don't normally get into topics about technology, but I've been
        affiliate marketing for Clickbank for 6 years now.

        As you know, or maybe you don't know, because of spam complaints, you are
        no longer allowed to use Clickbank hop links in emails. If you're going to
        promote a Clickbank product, you have to use a redirect.

        So, what I do is is create a simple PHP script for each of my ads and put
        it on a rotator. I won't print the whole code because it will drive you nuts
        but effectively what it does is it takes a URL that looks like this...

        httpxx://www.stevewagenheim.com/rotator.php?ad=32

        and when the user clicks on the link, they are redirected to the main
        sales page through my hoplink that is inside the php script.

        Now, in essence, doesn't this make it look like it's my sales page since
        that's what they're seeing?

        So I don't see the difference between what I'm doing (which Clickbank
        has approved and every vendor I use has had no problems with) and
        what this AH thing does. Of course I don't know all the particulars but
        isn't AH nothing but just a redirect script, or am I missing something?
        AH is the equivalent to a window to the affiliate site or payment page.

        This frame or "window" would be like looking outside your house to the one across the street.

        When you view a framed page, the viewpoint is on your server and in your domain, but it is essentially just a view of another site.

        Just a very basic description.
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