the death of internet marketing ... or so says jonny andrews

Toby Lewis

14 years ago

Haha

Mate the game is always changing, you just have to stay ahead of the pack.

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ewenmack 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Aith

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Mate the game is always changing, you just have to stay ahead of the pack.

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JimmyS

14 years ago

I think that matter is open for debate. Also, I think that size does not matter at all. Regardless of business size, still the methods, strategies and tactics are just the same. So I think size would be irrelevant in this matter. Though it's just my personal opinion. I don't know what others have to say about it. How about you?

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sunnygal

14 years ago

The internet is so large, it's impossible for anyone to "suck it dry"

Anyway, most BIG businesses are so tied up in meetings and project development planning that it would take them 2 years to develop a simple squeeze page!

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Nick Stentiford 14 years ago

I think the internet is still in its infancy but I do agree that getting established now is very important as I believe in 5 years time the genereation of kids still at school now will be our future customers!!! Bring it on!!

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JimmyS 14 years ago

Originally Posted by sunnygal

The internet is so large, it's impossible for anyone to "suck it dry"

Exactly my point.....
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Trapped

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sunnygal

The internet is so large, it's impossible for anyone to "suck it dry"

Anyway, most BIG businesses are so tied up in meetings and project development planning that it would take them 2 years to develop a simple squeeze page!

I would actually rethink of what you just said. Yes, internet is so large but the big companies are going to suck it dry where the real money lays, you could still try and struggle for 1k a month or 3k a month, but expanding from there would be MUCH harder.

And BIG business as called BIG because they can: hire someone to go to minor meetings, hire other people to do their IM and still have time to play golf.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Over here we already have some Universities with Internet Marketing classes. !!!!

But quite frankly they have a long way to go: they are learning how to do a Youtube video and how to register (WTF!!!) a blog.

See the problem? Teachers don't have a clue about IM.

Not a single clue. For them, IM equals internet madness.

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Russell Turner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

See the problem? Teachers don't have a clue about IM.

Not a single clue. For them, IM equals internet madness.

The same can be said about a lot of business courses in general.
You have people teaching business that have never owned or run a business.

The only case that I have found this not to apply was when I was studying to be a Motorsport Race Technician a few years ago and my lecturers were all ex Formula 1 employees.

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TheNewGuy2010

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Russell Turner

The same can be said about a lot of business courses in general.
You have people teaching business that have never owned or run a business.

The only case that I have found this not to apply was when I was studying to be a Motorsport Race Technician a few years ago and my lecturers were all ex Formula 1 employees.

The guy that wrote Good To Great comes to mind. He's never owned, started nor ran a business but because he did great research he has a best seller telling people how to take their businesses from good to great.

I don't care how good of a writer he is, I'd never take the guys advice.

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JimmyS

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Over here we already have some Universities with Internet Marketing classes. !!!!

But quite frankly they have a long way to go: they are learning how to do a Youtube video and how to register (WTF!!!) a blog.

See the problem? Teachers don't have a clue about IM.

Not a single clue. For them, IM equals internet madness.

Woah....good thing I quit school.... lol

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JimmyS

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Over here we already have some Universities with Internet Marketing classes. !!!!

But quite frankly they have a long way to go: they are learning how to do a Youtube video and how to register (WTF!!!) a blog.

See the problem? Teachers don't have a clue about IM.

Not a single clue. For them, IM equals internet madness.

Woah....good thing I quit school.... lol

Say, what school is that? I wish to apply on that one.....

lol

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Damien Roche

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Over here we already have some Universities with Internet Marketing classes. !!!!

But quite frankly they have a long way to go: they are learning how to do a Youtube video and how to register (WTF!!!) a blog.

See the problem? Teachers don't have a clue about IM.

Not a single clue. For them, IM equals internet madness.

Anybody see the gap here?

IM TEACHERS don't have a clue..enter YOU.

My take is that the corporate world chases the cash. They're not [yet] interested in our little world of info products and niche properties.

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Amitywill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Over here we already have some Universities with Internet Marketing classes. !!!!

But quite frankly they have a long way to go: they are learning how to do a Youtube video and how to register (WTF!!!) a blog.

See the problem? Teachers don't have a clue about IM.

Not a single clue. For them, IM equals internet madness.

You know what they say...

"Those that can't do... Teach"

Honestly I've always been amazed that people go to college
or university to learn business studies. Surely if the teacher
was any good at business they wouldn't need to be working
for a crappy wage at a college? :rolleyes:

I expect the only reason Jonny said that was as a scare tactic
so people would rush to buy his product.

But are we really scared of the "big" companies getting into
IM. I mean c'mon we are THE WARRIORS

They should be scared of us!

Will

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Terry Crim

14 years ago

You will not see any college, highschool teaching Marketing to the level that most successful IMers know. Go take a look at the War Room and the majority of what is in there, even from 2008 is way over the heads of most sales people and executives out there in corporate world.

Marketing on the Internet is it's own thing compared to any offline medium, online marketing the IM way is like comparing 2010 to 1889.

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thebitbotdotcom

14 years ago

Honestly, I don't ever see it "dying" because of the fact that the times and products are always changing. Niche markets will come and go. There will always be new opportunities. Those who find and monetize them first will benefit. That reminds me of a book I once saw entitled: "It's Not The Big That Eat The Small, It's The Fast That Eat The Slow"...

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14 years ago

Jonny Andrews is obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed. He's just trying to hype you up

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jonbeebe

14 years ago

I don't think that applies to every business model.

For example, when it comes to effective blogging and email marketing, it's all about providing value, building relationships, earning trust, and being genuine with your readers. In my opinion, individuals will *always* have an edge in that area because if you do things right, you will be trusted... corporations will always have to work much harder to earn the trust and respect from people.

Just my two cents...

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JimmyS

14 years ago

On the other, maybe companies have the advantage of going into IM but not to the point of "sucking dry".... I mean, when it comes to branding, they do have that advantage....

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EvcRo

14 years ago

IM university degrees are pointless, by the time you finish school everything you learned doesnt work anymore.

Basic foundation business courses. that works, but IM ? lol no

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DrGUID

14 years ago

Meh. I'm completely self taught in programming. I am so far ahead of my peers who did programming degrees it's unfunny!

The same will happen in IM, you guys are way ahead of the "professionals" with "qualifications".

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laurenceh

14 years ago

The airline business was overrun by massive companies like BA, Virgin etc. Didn't stop old Stelios and RyanAir making a fortune. Always room for the little guy to offer something different.

There's room a plenty in the business world.

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

And just like any other university level marketing degree, useless 6 months into the course and completely outdated by the time the student graduates.

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ewenmack 14 years ago

New in demand, low competition markets are being dug up by the thousands by the day.

Check out niche hunter, Jack Duncans tool, Commision Blueprints tool and there's another I've forgotten.

People making such comments obviously don't know of the tools which dig up the new.

He's burrying the dead.

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DogScout

14 years ago

How many members of the war room are doing term papers, thesis' and doctorate papers on it?

"Mom, I got an A Minus on my War Room Term Paper today!"

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Well, Internet Marketing is a whole lot more than just regurgitating "Make Money Online" courses/ebooks over and over, and those who aren't in those niches understand that there's plenty of money to be had outside of MMO. If it were to be true that universities would snatch some of that MMO online market away (and I highly doubt it), Internet Marketers would be left with actually doing Internet Marketing rather than just teaching Internet Marketing.

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DogScout

14 years ago

Universities have been offering' small business consulting' classes for years now. The graduates are mostly clueless. I suspect any IM graduate from a university that a large corporation would hire would be pretty much in the same boat.

Petco & petsmart ran their niche dog training programs at the same time Mr. Kern made a fortune with his, (both petsmart & petco lost money with theirs). Proctor and gamble is already in the game, they just don't have the wherewithal to do it at the same level of competence as most of the people achieving success with it that do not have degrees and would never get hired by them to begin with.

How many of you have companies with quarterly reports that make it worthwhile for them to buy you out for a few million? A lot, I would guess, but after they do, they staff the company they bought with 30-50k a year college grads and they never make it work. This model lends itself to a certain type of person, one that doesn't fit the corporate mold. Until they learn to hire 'pirates' they will never be real players in this game. (Of course some forward thinking corporate types apparently have been hiring 'gurus' as quietly as they can in the background, and there is always a chance someone like Mr.Kern, carries enough weight that he could change parts of how they do things in certain areas...), but that is a long shot in my estimation.

My take.

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Zach Booker

14 years ago

To a certain degree he isn't wrong.

...It's already happening.

PPC sources are becoming dominated by brand advertisers, with infinite budgets, and people who aren't brand advertisers (and rely on generating a ROI of some sort) are getting pushed out.

Sources like Facebook are also becoming more "brand orientated" and increasingly putting pressure on those who aren't brand advertisers or small business'. There will always be room for new comers, as in any business, and the internet is so vast and so much like The Wild West there will never be a domination by just a few players.

...But things, if you don't adapt and start treating certain aspects of your business better, could turn south for your income.

Zach

EDIT: I didn't read to closely the OP. Obviously that's a scare tactic and I'd bet a small penny Jonny doesn't make a dime outside the internet marketing niche.

My point above still stands though... you need to always adapt and re-invest. Because there will come a point where the community will shrink, not grow, and the "middle class" of internet marketers dies out.

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Nick Brighton

14 years ago

Total nonsense. Mindset scarcity on overdrive.

There's been degrees available on almost all areas of life and business, yet they are not saturated are they?

There's new sucesss stories every day in business, despite global giants lording it around the world.

The s,mall guy can compete with the big guys in many ways... on a street level, or by offering something so niche and so personal that big companies cannot compete.

Whoever gave you this idea, clearly doesn't understand economics and business as well as they might think (no offence).

Of course, this could have been taken out of context, so I reserve judgement!

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Frank Donovan

14 years ago

Desmond,

Originally Posted by DesmondTan

He says that for people who dont start getting into internet marketing and become established now, there wont be a chance in the future because internet marketing is getting more mainstream and online schools are offering degrees to do with IM, so eventually the BIG companies are going to come in and SUCK all the money DRY.

You don't provide a link to the video, so I'm just going by what you posted. And it's a bit confusing.

As far as I'm aware, Jonny Andrews is an entrepreneur who makes his living selling MMO products to his list, with whom he's built a relationship. Most of his customers, presumably, would wish to end up in his position or something similar. I'm at a loss to see how a "big company" would be able to seriously threaten such a business model.

And "suck all the money dry"? From what - online transactions?

Like everyone in the world is going to wake up one morning and say "Okay, that's it. We've bought enough stuff for this life." :rolleyes:

Please.

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duia

14 years ago

I have never heard of such a point. For all online business owners, Internet marketing is the best marketing strategy to promote their products or services at lower costs.

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

The corporate marketing MBA's that I know are responsible for creating BILLIONS of dollars in sales for themselves and their clients via the internet from the very beginning.

Why do affiliate/MMO/Internet Marketers somehow or another think they've got some angle or lock on marketing that makes them somehow better or superior to other marketing professionals?

One corporate marketing site alone, MarketingProfs.com, has 300,000 paying members at over $200 a year. It dwarfs the Warrior Forum and every other affiliate marketing forum on the web combined.

Yet, all these "internet marketers" think they've invented internet marketing.

It's a freaking hoot.

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JayXtreme

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

The corporate marketing MBA's that I know are responsible for creating BILLIONS of dollars in sales for themselves and their clients via the internet from the very beginning.

Why do affiliate/MMO/Internet Marketers somehow or another think they've got some angle or lock on marketing that makes them somehow better or superior to other marketing professionals?

One corporate marketing site alone, MarketingProfs.com, has 300,000 paying members at over $200 a year. It dwarfs the Warrior Forum and every other affiliate marketing forum on the web combined.

Yet, all these "internet marketers" think they've invented internet marketing.

It's a freaking hoot.

errr... can I say +1 on this

My thanks button is all gone... damn limitations.

But I agree wholeheartedly.

Internet marketing is far beyond most of the topics discussed here.

In fact... most of us aren't even marketing, we're just selling stuff online. And I don't mean we're not doing big business, because we are, but marketing is a much bigger game than some people want to believe...

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Joe Benjamin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DesmondTan

Hi guys, just to share with you an interesting comment made by jonny andrews in one of his videos

He says that for people who dont start getting into internet marketing and become established now, there wont be a chance in the future because internet marketing is getting more mainstream and online schools are offering degrees to do with IM, so eventually the BIG companies are going to come in and SUCK all the money DRY.

What do you think about it??

That was funny. This guy Johnny, is he a stand-up comic?

Originally Posted by Terry Crim

You will not see any college, highschool teaching Marketing to the level that most successful IMers know. Go take a look at the War Room and the majority of what is in there, even from 2008 is way over the heads of most sales people and executives out there in corporate world.

Marketing on the Internet is it's own thing compared to any offline medium, online marketing the IM way is like comparing 2010 to 1889.

- T

You think so, eh? There are forums and paid membership sites that
dwarf the IM niche. I know this just from talking to a multi-millionaire
friend of mines.

And, if you talk to MOST successful companies...they have the most
success with Direct Mail and other offline marketing methods...not
online...and I would agree because all of my MAJOR business is offline
where the market is virtually unlimited.

Originally Posted by EvcRo

IM university degrees are pointless, by the time you finish school everything you learned doesnt work anymore.

Basic foundation business courses. that works, but IM ? lol no

Don't get caught up in thinking your "better" than someone else because
they get a degree at school. Your grouping the majority with those who
gets a degree and actually uses it.

Degree holders are typically more focused and persistent than non-degree
holders. If anything, college forces discipline...

You said it yourself. A basic foundation in business DOES work...so why
isn't IM considered to be basic business fundamentals (it is)...IM isn't
itself a business, it's just a freakin' medium. Nothing special about it at
all except the way you reach customers.

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

The corporate marketing MBA's that I know are responsible for creating BILLIONS of dollars in sales for themselves and their clients via the internet from the very beginning.

Why do affiliate/MMO/Internet Marketers somehow or another think they've got some angle or lock on marketing that makes them somehow better or superior to other marketing professionals?

One corporate marketing site alone, MarketingProfs.com, has 300,000 paying members at over $200 a year. It dwarfs the Warrior Forum and every other affiliate marketing forum on the web combined.

Yet, all these "internet marketers" think they've invented internet marketing.

It's a freaking hoot.

Point exactly.

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LB

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

The corporate marketing MBA's that I know are responsible for creating BILLIONS of dollars in sales for themselves and their clients via the internet from the very beginning.

Why do affiliate/MMO/Internet Marketers somehow or another think they've got some angle or lock on marketing that makes them somehow better or superior to other marketing professionals?

One corporate marketing site alone, MarketingProfs.com, has 300,000 paying members at over $200 a year. It dwarfs the Warrior Forum and every other affiliate marketing forum on the web combined.

Yet, all these "internet marketers" think they've invented internet marketing.

It's a freaking hoot.

Michael, I'm curious...that site claims over 300,000 members but you can join for free with just an email. I'm wondering where you're seeing that they have over 300k paying?

The whole MBA thing is a point of debate. There are really rich people out there who have marketing MBAs, sure. There's also really rich college dropouts.

I personally worked for 2 people that had marketing MBAs prior to starting my own businesses and watched both of them make the most elementary mistakes and drive their own businesses into the ground.

If you look at the salary of that degree (PayScale - Master of Business Administration (MBA), Marketing Degree Salary, Average Salaries) you'll see that on average, these folks aren't billionaires but are often not even in the six-figure range. Doesn't mean there aren't insanely rich MBAs out there but if we look at the average, it's not that extreme...especially when the cost of the degree is considered.

It really comes down to drive, motivation, ability to learn/adapt....blah, blah...I know you know all this.

The short of it is that no one (degree or no) has any sort of lock down on internet marketing.

If you look at certain verticals, dating for example, you'd be hard pressed to penetrate it and compete with those companies that are well-established.

I wouldn't bet on an MBA just because they had a degree, but I wouldn't dismiss them because of it either.

Underestimating the competition because of prejudging their education would be foolish.

I make more than those MBAs and dropped out of school but am under no spell that I'm some how "special". The moment I get lazy, there are 10,000 people ready to take my place in any market.

The real advantage that corporations have is resources. Can the average person on this board do a 50k media buy or pay $5 per click on Adwords for thousands of clicks a day? Can they get instant TV coverage? That's some real power.

Just some random thoughts...

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

Originally Posted by LB

Michael, I'm curious...that site claims over 300,000 members but you can join for free with just an email. I'm wondering where you're seeing that they have over 300k paying?

The whole MBA thing is a point of debate. There are really rich people out there who have marketing MBAs, sure. There's also really rich college dropouts.

I personally worked for 2 people that had marketing MBAs prior to starting my own businesses and watched both of them make the most elementary mistakes and drive their own businesses into the ground.

If you look at the salary of that degree (PayScale - Master of Business Administration (MBA), Marketing Degree Salary, Average Salaries) you'll see that on average, these folks aren't billionaires but are often not even in the six-figure range. Doesn't mean there aren't insanely rich MBAs out there but if we look at the average, it's not that extreme...especially when the cost of the degree is considered.

It really comes down to drive, motivation, ability to learn/adapt....blah, blah...I know you know all this.

The short of it is that no one (degree or no) has any sort of lock down on internet marketing.

If you look at certain verticals, dating for example, you'd be hard pressed to penetrate it and compete with those companies that are well-established.

I wouldn't bet on an MBA just because they had a degree, but I wouldn't dismiss them because of it either.

Underestimating the competition because of prejudging their education would be foolish.

I make more than those MBAs and dropped out of school but am under no spell that I'm some how "special". The moment I get lazy, there are 10,000 people ready to take my place in any market.

The real advantage that corporations have is resources. Can the average person on this board do a 50k media buy or pay $5 per click on Adwords for thousands of clicks a day? Can they get instant TV coverage? That's some real power.

Just some random thoughts...

Sorry, my statement was incomplete and misled. They have 300K plus members with many paying. Failure to edit on my part.

We agree that a pedigree isn't a guarantee of any sort of success. Paperwork is meaningless. My reference was with regard to the whole "big company" thing. There's an amusing attitude at Warrior Forum that "corporate" = stupid or this or that. And corporate people are dunces that don't "get it". And that affiliate MMO Internet Marketers have some special knowledge or place in the grand scheme of business. It's a totally amusing laugh fest for me.

We're in agreement, nobody has a lockdown on "internet marketing" - little guys CAN make serious endroads. Big companies can too. It's foolish to consider "big companies" in any sort of us vs. them discussion (which is what I think Andrews is trying to pull off by reviewing his blog).

We agree that big companies have the resources - and they most certainly use them.

The difference between entrepreneurs and corporate employees comes down to one very simple line.

Entrepreneurs make decisions based on their vision and desire to achieve success.

Corporate employees, at all levels, make decisions based on their fear of losing their job.

That means their willingness to experiment with bleeding edge marketing techniques can be tepid because of their fear of failure. Failure in a corporate setting carries drastic, career impacting consequences.

Failure to an entrepreneur simply means they lose some money, learn a bunch, and go on down the road to the next idea.

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Dan C. Rinnert 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Sorry, my statement was incomplete and misled. They have 300K plus members with many paying. Failure to edit on my part.

Well, now that's completely taken the wind out of my sails for this afternoon.
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  Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert
  
  Well, now that's completely taken the wind out of my sails for this afternoon.
  
  Yeah go figure.
  
  I won't actually continue to try to defend a position because I made a mistake and I am confident in who I am as a person enough to openly admit it.
  
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tehnolife

Banned 14 years ago

I think in one day will be possible to "learn online" from a specialist in IM ,to take a final test, and in the end to get a certificate on the topic " Sales & Marketing" and this to be recognized Online and Offline! But anyway, not a certificate shows what you know to do, the most important are YOUR RESULTS!

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JohnMcCabe 14 years ago

Originally Posted by indexphp

Jonny Andrews is obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed. He's just trying to hype you up

My first thought on reading the OP was, "OK, who the hell is Jonny Andrews, and what's he selling as the replacement?"

While the big companies may end up dominating certain markets, there will always be smaller segments that won't be worth the big boys' time going after yet are large enough to make a small company rich.

And if you do get big enough to show up on their radar, they may open those deep pockets and make you so rich your great-great-grandchildren will still be naming their kids after you...
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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DesmondTan

Hi guys, just to share with you an interesting comment made by jonny andrews in one of his videos

He says that for people who dont start getting into internet marketing and become established now, there wont be a chance in the future because internet marketing is getting more mainstream and online schools are offering degrees to do with IM, so eventually the BIG companies are going to come in and SUCK all the money DRY.

What do you think about it??

He could not be more wrong. I've heard this argument years ago, then again about 2 years ago, then again 6 months ago. Remember when e-mail marketing was "dying" 7-8 years ago? Gimme a break. If anything there's actually MORE opportunity today than ever before and I believe with everything in my body that there will be even more opportunity ten years from today. The channels of distribution are growing, there are more ways to reach people, and more and more people are buying things online. E-commerce is nowhere near it's potential.

"BIG companies" do not go after smaller markets for one thing. Secondly, they cannot "come in and SUCK all the money DRY" even with their best efforts. Johnny Andrews is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I don't think he's seeing the big picture for what it really is. It's also clear to me he hasn't hung out or networked with enough Venture Capitalists to get even a glimpse of the bigger e-commerce world. He reminds me of the two gurus who advised me to stay out of the dating niche over 6 years ago, citing similar reasons. I ignored their advice because I knew that anyone can compete in that niche if they knew how to deliver the goods, drive traffic, and convert that traffic.

I've written this before and I'll write it again: any marketer who knows how to create a following can always create wealth, in virtually any economic climate.

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Kay King 14 years ago

Yet another "death of" thread....

Sounds like part of a sales page to me - "if you want to have any chance of succeeding online you have to start right now - by buying my MMO product"

Many IMers are big fish in little ponds - but there are a lot of profitable ponds. No need to swim the ocean.

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14 years ago

ain't this a reflection of the 21st century. Jobs keep changing. You got to re-train to
keep abreast of the changes that is taking place.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by DesmondTan

Hi guys, just to share with you an interesting comment made by jonny andrews in one of his videos

He says that for people who dont start getting into internet marketing and become established now, there wont be a chance in the future because internet marketing is getting more mainstream and online schools are offering degrees to do with IM, so eventually the BIG companies are going to come in and SUCK all the money DRY.

What do you think about it??

My guess is that he's trying to create a sense of urgency so you whip out your credit card to buy whatever MMO product he's selling.

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JayXtreme 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

My guess is that he's trying to create a sense of urgency so you whip out your credit card to buy whatever MMO product he's selling.

I'd say that's a pretty sharp guess right there, D!
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jacksonlin

14 years ago

I thought "big business" were already in internet marketing.

They provide the products that WE as internet marketers MARKET.

I mean, where do you think CJ get their products from? Where do the big CPA firms get their high paying CPA offers from? Errr.. BIG BUSINESSES OF COURSE!

So BIG BUSINESSES enabled many internet marketers to make a living online.

So isn't this kind of old?

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schabotte 14 years ago

Marketing always evolves to fit what is available.

Ten+ years ago, the internet was a pretty small place compared to what is is now. Many of the tools you use now - facebook, twitter, powerful free community site builders and blogging tools - didn't exist.

In some ways, it was much easier back then. There wasn't as much noise to distract a marketer. Now, there are just so many ways to get traffic, it is very easy to get bogged down in what to do next (or even if you should do a certain activity.)

Now, the internet has tons more people on it every day, for more hours a day than ever before. It also has lots more websites. What worked ten years ago still works now and will work in the future - attract an audience that really wants what you offer and sell it to them.

Throughout history, there have always been entrepreneurs who bucked the "establishment" logic, both big and small, and that will continue no matter how mature the internet gets.

The barrier to entry in the internet is just too low to prevent it.

For a few bucks and an idea, someone can try an experiment.

If it works, he can run with it and perhaps build something completely now - or at least a great living.

If it doesn't, the financial risk was small.

It sure as heck is lots easier than it was before the internet where selling anything as a new business could take forever and tons of money to test.
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nuMantis

14 years ago

My opinion on the matter doesn't really matter all that much... my whole 5 posts!

But here is my 0.02 anyhow.

Good internet marketing will always overshadow the rest. Is IM dead? I'd say no. The people who stay one step ahead all the time should be on top. Their efforts should be recognized by those that matter. If you are unable to attain top results in your IM perhaps you should be looking for another career. That's what I think anyhow. I am an SEO expert per se, but have I gone to school... no. For me it's blood sweat and tears, lots of reading and keeping on top of what the engines are doing. If you can prove your track record you should be able to stay on top of the market in your respective areas/locations.

Again... just my 0.02.

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Mohammad Afaq

14 years ago

I don't know who this guy is (probably some guru) but the statement he's making is
completely stupid.

Look at the big corporations,

they started in 1800s with the Industrial Revolution. Now don't we have big
corporations today? And also, do we have the same players that we had 200 years ago?

I don't think I need to type out an answer because you already know what it is.

Same think applies here, IM started with the boom of Internet and it will not die as long
as internet and online buying is alive.

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Vikram73

14 years ago

Originally Posted by StedeTroisi

Size and money doesn't matter. Walmart is no competition for local business, and having unlimited money gets you nowhere. Keep repeating that warriors.
- Stede

Guessing this is sarcasm since WalMart obviously destroys many small businesses when it enters a community.

Look at who is promoting and marketing Netflix - it's a bunch of random people spread across the Internet.

Same for eBay & Amazon - even Google & Microsoft have an affiliate programs.

Large businesses aren't turning exclusively towards "big players" anymore - they're leveraging armies of affiliates to market their products online. You can be one of them if you want.

I've even seen CPA offers for the USPS a while back. The government is even leveraging us for marketing!

Anyone who thinks this IM is dead is either a) being clever and grabbing people's attention or b) a loser.

Many years ago people preached to me that doing Linux was useless because Microsoft was getting into the Internet web business with a suite of their products.

Linux was free, stupid, open source, poorly developed blah blah blah. Now 15 yrs later - I see a bunch of people on the Warrior Forum using Linux for all their hosting. I'd guess that maybe 2% might have some Windows based hosting going on.

The little guy doesn't always lose.

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

Originally Posted by vikramd

Guessing this is sarcasm since WalMart obviously destroys many small businesses when it enters a community.

Look at who is promoting and marketing Netflix - it's a bunch of random people spread across the Internet.

Same for eBay & Amazon - even Google & Microsoft have an affiliate programs.

Large businesses aren't turning exclusively towards "big players" anymore - they're leveraging armies of affiliates to market their products online. You can be one of them if you want.

I've even seen CPA offers for the USPS a while back. The government is even leveraging us for marketing!

Anyone who thinks this IM is dead is either a) being clever and grabbing people's attention or b) a loser.

Many years ago people preached to me that doing Linux was useless because Microsoft was getting into the Internet web business with a suite of their products.

Linux was free, stupid, open source, poorly developed blah blah blah. Now 15 yrs later - I see a bunch of people on the Warrior Forum using Linux for all their hosting. I'd guess that maybe 2% might have some Windows based hosting going on.

The little guy doesn't always lose.

-Vikram

I love it. Another paradox of an anti-big business marketer.

How anyone can call themselves a capitalist marketer and have this view is completely incongruent.

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Charleskidd

14 years ago

I think certain keywords can be taken by big companies overtime but most of these companies might need affiliates. So we can still make money and targeting low keyword competition is working right now.

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Daniel Brock

14 years ago

I always love threads like these.

How much you want to bet you are about to be pitched an offline marketing product in the next couple days?

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DesmondTan

What do you think about it??

Well, not having seen the video I can only go by your words, but based on your words I would add it to this list of comments:

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
-- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us."
-- Western Union internal memo, 1876

"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."
-- Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
-- Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895

"...for people who dont start getting into internet marketing and become established now, there wont be a chance in the future because internet marketing is getting more mainstream and online schools are offering degrees to do with IM, so eventually the BIG companies are going to come in and SUCK all the money DRY."
-- Jonny Andrews, 2010

I think it sounds like an ill-conceived strategy to create a false sense of scarcity in order to sell a course on internet marketing.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Well, not having seen the video I can only go by your words, but I would add it to this list of comments:

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
-- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us."
-- Western Union internal memo, 1876

"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."
-- Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
-- Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895

"...for people who dont start getting into internet marketing and become established now, there wont be a chance in the future because internet marketing is getting more mainstream and online schools are offering degrees to do with IM, so eventually the BIG companies are going to come in and SUCK all the money DRY."
-- Jonny Andrews, 2010

I think it sounds like an ill-conceived strategy to create a false sense of scarcity in order to sell a course on internet marketing.

lol ... good one.

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da1fitz

14 years ago

Totally agree with all of the below - once IM becomes mainstream business teaching, there'll always be the IM jedi type on this forum and certain others that will be ahead of the game - Ace discussion....

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Well, not having seen the video I can only go by your words, but based on your words I would add it to this list of comments:

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
-- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us."
-- Western Union internal memo, 1876

"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."
-- Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
-- Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895

"...for people who dont start getting into internet marketing and become established now, there wont be a chance in the future because internet marketing is getting more mainstream and online schools are offering degrees to do with IM, so eventually the BIG companies are going to come in and SUCK all the money DRY."
-- Jonny Andrews, 2010

I think it sounds like an ill-conceived strategy to create a false sense of scarcity in order to sell a course on internet marketing.

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Juniord

14 years ago

I won't be surprise if this eventually happens. Those of us who are already into Internet marketing better pull our socks up and stay ahead of the game.

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14 years ago

Who is Jonny Andrews? He's one of the numerous Mr Hypes of IM. Judge for yourself...

YouTube - Jonny Andrews the "Weirdo" of Internet...

These guys use well thought out bait hooks, (i.e., problems, fears, hopes, desires, concerns. etc) such as or similar to:

Internet Marketing is dead or is dying
Why Y2K is going to wipe out most IMers
I was homeless last year, last month, last week, last night, now I make a cool $1 million a year, month, week or a day online
why most IMers are not making any money
why Article Marketing is dead
why you should not be doing forum signatures
why no one uses profiles
why most IMers get no traffic

etc., etc...

Once the person bites the bait, they are hit with a methodically planned out barrage of kits, systems, products and up-sells that are supposed to help them overcome the bait hook.

These highly polished push button automatic Ninja traffic getting systems usually look like the summary content below. And this is actually one of the systems these guys claimed was a secret system no one else is doing. This is actually one of the systems they sell as unique.

Step #1)- Introduction Overview
Step #2)- Select Your Niche
Step #3)- Keyword Research
Step #4)- Write Your Articles
Step #5)- Rewrite Article Add Titles
Step #6)- Choose Your Affiliate Program
Step #7)- Submit Your Articles
Step #8)- Social Bookmark Articles
Step #9)- Final Steps Review

Those who asked, when was the sales pitch coming; JA already threw it!

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Janice Sperry

14 years ago

I don't believe J Andrews is right but I do belive big changes could and probably will come. IM may not change much but those making money online could change drastically and overnight. More restrictive laws could be passed. Sales and service taxes could be added in various ways. Payment processors llike Paypal and others could change or laws would restrict how they operate with individuals. The FTC laws recently enacted about testimonials and posting that you will make a commission on things on your site etc could be increased and actually enforced. (I have only seen three sites that have actually conformed to the new laws.) There could be new laws/enforcement about business licenses etc.

Will IM die? Never. Will it get harder for someone to quickly start making money online by working part time? I think that is very likely.

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ChrisBa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DesmondTan

Hi guys, just to share with you an interesting comment made by jonny andrews in one of his videos

He says that for people who dont start getting into internet marketing and become established now, there wont be a chance in the future because internet marketing is getting more mainstream and online schools are offering degrees to do with IM, so eventually the BIG companies are going to come in and SUCK all the money DRY.

What do you think about it??

Nothing is dying, it's just changing, this happens every few years.. just ask anyone that was around for "the death of ringtones"

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GoGetta

14 years ago

Theres more than enough to go round! ; )

However, if this is true, we are all in prime position to CLEAN UP!

So, stop worrying and get to work! ; )

GoGetta

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14 years ago

yea, Jonny Andrews is clearly a marketing genius :rolleyes:

Is this seriously the best he can come up with?

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Budwar385

14 years ago

that's like saying polar bears are going to drink the ocean dry

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Cash37

14 years ago

IM changes significantly every 4-5 months, its almost like a new game. There is no way corporations and colleges can keep up with all the red tape they go through.

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