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16 years ago

We tried telling people this over a year ago and NO ONE believed us! Our IT department head goes to Google twice a year for SEO and PPC meetings and long ago Google told us there was NO penalty for dup content.

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Angela V. Edwards

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Chuck Evans

We tried telling people this over a year ago and NO ONE believed us! Our IT department head goes to Google twice a year for SEO and PPC meetings and long ago Google told us there was NO penalty for dup content.

chuck

Yep. And I've been telling people this for some time now, complete with a link to Google's information saying so and it still comes up just about daily.

People "advise" each other to change their articles for every directory and change it again for their websites and on and on...

This is a myth that just will not die.

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TimG

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Yep. And I've been telling people this for some time now, complete with a link to Google's information saying so and it still comes up just about daily.

People "advise" each other to change their articles for every directory and change it again for their websites and on and on...

This is a myth that just will not die.

Angela,
I still advocate changing up the articles but for a different reason. If a visitor arrives to my site from an article they found on the Internet I want them to see slightly different content once they arrive so they don't immediately leave my website.

Also I figure if they find a different version of the article on another directory they may not realize they already read a similar article before and may end up on my site again instead of immediately realizing the article on this directory is the same as the other article on the previous directory whcih they already read and thus have no need to click through the link in the resource box.

So for me it's more of a human factor/tendancy penalty instead of a duplicate content penalty.

Hopefully that makes sense.

Respectfully,
Tim

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Jeremy Kelsall

16 years ago

Originally Posted by p1a1u1l1

Thanks for posting this jeremy, That really does clear things up a little bit.

However, what is googles position on dup content on different sites?

Example, If someone comes along and copies your content, how does google know who to index or who gets the better ranking?

-paul

If it is your content and you already posted it...chances are good that you will be the one that has it indexed first, right?

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Angela,
Nothing wrong with changing the content if you want too though is there ?

Not debating here, just asking a question ..lol

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Chris W. Sutton

16 years ago

Hey Jeremy,

This is the way I have always understood it... there never WAS a Google Penalty! Google didn't penalize anyone for duplicate content but they would only index one of the pages and the other page was not indexed. I believe it is still the same way.

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Jason Fladlien

16 years ago

Yep something I've been saying for some time now. But it's like arguing long copy vs. short copy... there will still be diehards who insist the duplicate content penalty is real!

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Dean Shainin

16 years ago

I just got this yesterday.

Can someone tell me if this is outdated?

Maybe it's a scam email I got.

I put what I thought was the issue yesterday in bold because I see no others possible issues on those sites.

Hello,

While reviewing your account, we noticed that you are currently displaying Google ads in a manner that is not compliant with our policies. For instance, we found violations of AdSense policies on pages such as (I omitted the url for privacy)

Publishers may not place Google ads on pages that violate Google's webmaster quality guidelines . While we've included the following excerpts from these guidelines, we recommend that you take the time to review them in their entirety.

* Make pages for users, not for search engines.
* Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
* Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
* Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
* Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank.
* Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
* Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
* If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.

As a result, we have disabled ad serving to the site.

Your AdSense account remains active. However, we strongly suggest that you take the time to review our program policies to ensure that all of your remaining pages are in compliance.

Please note that we may disable your account if further violations are found in the future.

Sincerely,

The Google AdSense Team

Issue ID# 541914

EDIT: I just got rid of the live links in case if it's a scam email...

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Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dean Shainin

I just got this yesterday.

Can someone tell me if this is outdated?

Maybe it's a scam email I got.

I put what I thought was the issue yesterday in bold because I see no others possible issues on those sites.

Hello,

While reviewing your account, we noticed that you are currently displaying Google ads in a manner that is not compliant with our policies. For instance, we found violations of AdSense policies on pages such as (I omitted the url for privacy)

Publishers may not place Google ads on pages that violate Google's webmaster quality guidelines . While we've included the following excerpts from these guidelines, we recommend that you take the time to review them in their entirety.

* Make pages for users, not for search engines.
* Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
* Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
* Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
* Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank.
* Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
* Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
* If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.

As a result, we have disabled ad serving to the site.

Your AdSense account remains active. However, we strongly suggest that you take the time to review our program policies to ensure that all of your remaining pages are in compliance.

Please note that we may disable your account if further violations are found in the future.

Sincerely,

The Google AdSense Team

Issue ID# 541914

EDIT: I just got rid of the live links in case if it's a scam email...

Dean, the email is most definitely legit. Problem I'm having is I can't
find the pages they're talking about and when I wrote back, they sent me
to a site to put in a support request, but they never got back to me.

So I don't know what the frick is going on.

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Hi Dean,
Have you checked the headers of that email to see if google actually sent it ? That is the very first thing I do if I question an email.

James

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Dean Shainin 16 years ago

Here is what the email was from. Can you tell from that?

Must be a scam?

The email just starts with Hello,

adsense-support@google.com
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- TimG 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dean Shainin
  
  Here is what the email was from. Can you tell from that?
  
  Must be a scam?
  
  The email just starts with Hello,
  
  adsense-support@google.com
  
  Dean,
  I don't believe it is a scam as I received one also in regards to one of my sites that now no longer is allowed to have adsense on it based on on one of their rules which I must have stepped on with the site in question.
  
  A few other folks I know also received similar emails so I suspect the adsense folks were just doing a random QC sweep.
  
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Jeremy Kelsall

16 years ago

Britney,

Don't worry about all of the things you "hear"

Just make a plan for yourself and stick to it. Trust me, It will not be long before you know what works and what doesn't.

I've had people screaming at me about duplicate content for months now. Meanwhile, I just continued doing my own thing and am better off today for it.

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GarrieWilson

16 years ago

Dean,

Did you check and see if the pages are showing AdSense?

If not, then it's legit.

Also AdSense has a different policy than search and even AdWords.

Garrie

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budfox

16 years ago

Duplicate content on the same website has never been an issue. Who does that? Why would you have the same content on multiple pages on the same site? Who even cares about that?

Much more of an issue is duplicate content across multiple sites. Is there a penalty for using reprinted articles from article directories as web content for example?

Or, of more interest to many Warriors, if you submit the same article to multiple article directories is there any benefit to this from a purely SEO standpoint?

Those are the real questions and their answers are still foggy as far as I can tell.

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Dana_W

16 years ago

Duplicate content observation - I sent out a press release for a client a couple of days ago. The next day, the press release took up six out of 10 spots on Page 1 of google for the client's business name, against 1.79 million competing sites.

The exact same press release word for word, sent out to multiple sites.

As for duplicate content on the same site - I have to agree - why WOULD you do that?

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Allen Graves 16 years ago

Blogs, mainly. You have the same stuff on different pages.

I too have some dup content on a new article marketing site I am creating.

For instance, I have a "beginners" section where I have some of the same content as in the "article components" section.

That way I don't have to send the users jumping across links to different sections of the site and getting off track or lost altogether. Then, I just manipulate the XML sitemap to tell Google that the beginners page is the preferred one (because that's the one I want listed in the SERPs)

Hey Dana, how do you pronounce your last name?

AL

p.s. Charles...what Dana said.
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Kurt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dana_W

Duplicate content observation - I sent out a press release for a client a couple of days ago. The next day, the press release took up six out of 10 spots on Page 1 of google for the client's business name, against 1.79 million competing sites.

The exact same press release word for word, sent out to multiple sites.

As for duplicate content on the same site - I have to agree - why WOULD you do that?

I'll bet most the the 6 sites are "news" sites. Google treats news and news sites differently than "regular" sites.

Sure, multiple doop news articles will often rank highly, but for how long? The key is to keep tracking this over time.

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surenpp

16 years ago

1.benefit.Yes .if you can get google to index the same article published in multiple article directories.You get backlink and anchor text benefit.

2.As far as i know there is no penalty for using reprinted article.Google will rank the page which has more link weight.It does't rank the page just because the page is indexed first.so if some one duplicate one of your page page and get some quality link flowing towards it the copied page will out rank the original one

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pearsonbrown

16 years ago

I've had a similar letter from Google Adsense. It related to a site containing unchanged PLR material. It seems to have taken the view that my site was a 'made for Adsense' site. That wasn't my intention for this site (it had a purely educational aim) but I can see how they arrived at that conclusion. My sites tend to have a lot of PR and to be quite well ranked for a variety of reasons so I imagine they get noticed by Google Adsense because they are 'visible'. So I'm convinced that there is a duplicate penalty with Google Adsense, but many sites will get away with it by 'staying under the radar'.

As for Google search engine, many people claim that the following article shows that there is no duplicate content problem.

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty"

However, if you read it carefully, including the discussion after it, it does suggest that where sites are very similar, only one will rank highly. This could cause a problem if you are producing 'cookie cutter' sites and have the SEO skills to get them into the top 20. A friend of mine suggests that is because Google uses its 'human reviewers' to check out the top rated sites.

Interestingly the Stompernet 2.0 video says not to use duplicate content.

So I'm saying that

a) different parts of Google may have different policies
b) your experience may be different depending upon how high your ranking is

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Kurt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by pearsonbrown

However, if you read it carefully, including the discussion after it, it does suggest that where sites are very similar, only one will rank highly. This could cause a problem if you are producing 'cookie cutter' sites and have the SEO skills to get them into the top 20. A friend of mine suggests that is because Google uses its 'human reviewers' to check out the top rated sites.

Hey Pearson...

Yep. Some confuse "penalty" with "filter". There is no "penalty" for dupe content, but there is a filter. I'm bored and tired of typing up a response on this topic for the umpteeth time, so I'll let those believe what they want to believe.

And, I've said Google has used human reviewers for about 6 years. I even posted the math needed to hire such a group, and it would be a very small % of google's revenue. IMO, it would be STUPID of google NOT TO use real humans to review their "money" SERPs.

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Steve Taylor

16 years ago

Google may not penalize us now for dup content, but what about down the road?
Food for thought.

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Allen Graves

16 years ago

It's funny, possibly the most popular Google myth debunked (again) in this thread...and as I read some of the responses to the OP, I see that people are still spouting out other myths that are simply not true. I count 4. And they are stated with such confidence!

As I have said before, if you are going to tell people what they should or should not do, back it up with some proof. Just goes to show that it's true you should watch out who you listen to.

AL

p.s. this is not directed at any one person above...especially not to those you wouldn't expect.

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MizzCindy

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

...and as I read some of the responses to the OP, I see that people are still spouting out other myths that are simply not true. I count 4. And they are stated with such confidence!...

AL

p.s. this is not directed at any one person above...especially not to those you wouldn't expect.

AL - ya big tease, what are those 4 myths being spouted?

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Charles Harper

16 years ago

I am NOW More confused

...so my ezine article will be indexed ONCE. Regardless of where I put it.

In other words, whether that (article) is on my blog or in another article directory. Google will allow it in the SERPs once and that's it.

So, if I understand right; if it is my content, I can put it whereever I want, across my sites multiple times. My SITES are not in jeopardy of being delisted.

I can't see why I would put it on my own site twice, so that does not apply necessarily.

None of this suggests ANYTHING about PLR which should always be rewritten before being submitted anywhere.

Do I have this right, now?

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Dana_W

16 years ago

Willhoit is pronounced Will Hoyt. Dana "will hoyt ya if you don't hand over the chocolate NOW." Like that.

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Allen Graves 16 years ago

Cool..just wondered.

Couldn't you have picked something better than chocolates, though?

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Fetch-Boy

16 years ago

I've found this thoroughly helpful this discussion, so thanks for sharing. By their very nature, wordpress blogs create duplicate content, so it's hard to avoid, unless you know how to tweak the settings. Knowing what we've heard from Google, I'm not going to concern myself with it any longer!

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Charles Harper

16 years ago

Man, Dana...just when I had it straight.

Well, I guess I will see what happens.

Charles

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Dana_W

16 years ago

This was on regular Google, not Google News. The sites that were ranking were the press release sites. And yes, I believe press releases do drop quickly from the rankings - so a press release gets very good results, but shor term.

Allen, there IS nothing better than chocolate!

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Kurt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dana_W

This was on regular Google, not Google News. The sites that were ranking were the press release sites. And yes, I believe press releases do drop quickly from the rankings - so a press release gets very good results, but shor term.

Allen, there IS nothing better than chocolate!

Sites that are google news sites also appear in the main Google search, such as press release sites.

It takes some time for Google to compare every page on the web to every other page on the web, so in order to test any theory about how Google treats doop pages across multiple domains, we'll need to wait a couple of months and allow Google to do thing.

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Heman Patel

16 years ago

Hold on...

You talked about duplicate content on the same domain. But what about someone else duping your content on their site. What are your thoughts on that?

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Kay King

16 years ago

Thoughts are - stop looking for problems.

There once was a duplicate content penalty - several years ago - which had to do with the way some sites were being built. It was not associated with articles.

I have been saying "forget duplicate content" for a long time - and for some reason people don't want to let it go. There are enough hurdles with article marketing without worry about imaginary problems.

If you are dealing with articles - whether publishing on your site and to article directories - or adding articles from directories to your site - or having another site add your articles from a directory - duplicate content is NOT an issue.

Why continue to say "but what if...." - and come up with different scenarios of how "duplicate content penalty might apply" - when it doesn't exist?

The proof is easy to find. Google any medical condition and you may well find the exact same article posted on different sites - and ALL of those sites highly ranked on google's first page. See? No penalty. No problem.

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Darth Executor

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The proof is easy to find. Google any medical condition and you may well find the exact same article posted on different sites - and ALL of those sites highly ranked on google's first page. See? No penalty. No problem.

kay

That's not "proof". If that article is the only decent info on that particular condition, it showing up several times means nothing. If you want to prove it, get an article ranking high, then add a duplicate and get it indexed. If your original doesn't suffer, it wasn't penalized. If it does, it was. Repeat this several times to avoid possible flukes.

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Darth Executor

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

http://www.warriorforum.com/blogs/al...e-content.html

Check it out, even though Google has said what their stance is, I'm sure the debate will continue

When the "horse" is a lying sack of crap whose primary purpose is to make money I fail to see what the big deal about what falls out of its mouth is. Don't trust google. Test.

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Jeremy Kelsall

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Darth Executor

When the "horse" is a lying sack of crap whose primary purpose is to make money I fail to see what the big deal about what falls out of its mouth is. Don't trust google. Test.

lol

You can't live your entire life being paranoid. I have not lived in the duplicate content anything for quite a long time now.

Hearing Google say it only confirms it to me.

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Kay King

16 years ago

Google may not penalize us now for dup content, but what about down the road? Food for thought.

Sorry to be blunt - but that's ridiculous. Google changes and we change our methods with it. Why worry about something that might happen....maybe....in the future? Eating that kind of food (imaginary) in real life could be a great weight loss method but in business it's not effective.

tommygadget's example IS what the duplicate content penalty addressed - and it had nothing to do with an article but with creating multiple, identical pages (on a made-for-adsense site) to make a site look "big" when it wasn't by using the same paragraph or two on page after page and just adding a new page title. Google cracked down on that site building method - but it did not concern "articles".

That's not "proof". If that article is the only decent info on that particular condition, it showing up several times means nothing. If you want to prove it, get an article ranking high, then add a duplicate and get it indexed. If your original doesn't suffer, it wasn't penalized. If it does, it was. Repeat this several times to avoid possible flukes.

I have done this for years - the articles and sites did not suffer at all. I've repeated it again and again. How much proof do you need?

If you hate google for making money, not sure why you are in marketing. Google is a tool to use and profit from. It makes money because it's a business. We use that business to make money ourselves so where's the problem?

What benefit is there in continuing to believe a myth when it has been disproven time and time again? Could it be that worrying about what might happen gives you the excuse to do nothing? Stop worrying - and start writing!

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Darth Executor

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I have done this for years - the articles and sites did not suffer at all. I've repeated it again and again. How much proof do you need?

First, considering your lack of literacy (see below), I'm not sure how good your testing was. Second, simply using duplicate content without following the exact testing method I outlined above isn't much of a test since you won't know if you're penalized or not. I never said being penalized for duplicate content means you can't rank it.

I personally have no idea if there's a penalty and don't really care because I'm not trying to rank PLR content, it's there for other reasons.

If you hate google for making money, not sure why you are in marketing.

Where did I say I "hate google for making money"? Don't put words in my mouth. I said google's primary purpose is to make money. Which means its primary purpose is not to help you or anyone else except google make money. Which means you should not believe everything google says, because google is not your friend. I never said anything about "hate" or that I have a problem with them making money.

Google is a tool to use and profit from. It makes money because it's a business. We use that business to make money ourselves so where's the problem?

With your reading skills, apparently. I don't appreciate people fabricating stuff I never said just to they can post a self-righteous long-winded post in response.

What benefit is there in continuing to believe a myth when it has been disproven time and time again? Could it be that worrying about what might happen gives you the excuse to do nothing? Stop worrying - and start writing!

kay

It's a forum post, not a sales letter. Ditch the call to action, it makes me feel like I'm in a car dealership. And for every person that claims it's been "disproven" another pops up that claims it hasn't. It's why I asked people to just do their own testing and take what works for them.

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tommygadget

16 years ago

Here's where substantially duplicate content WILL hurt you and I HAVE PROOF. If you put up a site with hundreds or thousands of pages with all the content the same except for city/state as an example, Google has algorithms that see you and will blacklist such a site. That is to discourage people with php database scripts from creating sites with thousands or tens of thousands of pages. I know someone who did this and got banned and his adsense account closed. This is actually his business model. He creates sites like this and accumulates as much cash as he can in the few weeks that he's in the serps and then when blacklisted, he simply starts all over again with a new domain.

TomG.

PS - I would never do this, and don't ask me how he does.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by tommygadget

Here's where substantially duplicate content WILL hurt you and I HAVE PROOF. If you put up a site with hundreds or thousands of pages with all the content the same except for city/state as an example, Google has algorithms that see you and will blacklist such a site. That is to discourage people with php database scripts from creating sites with thousands or tens of thousands of pages. I know someone who did this and got banned and his adsense account closed. This is actually his business model. He creates sites like this and accumulates as much cash as he can in the few weeks that he's in the serps and then when blacklisted, he simply starts all over again with a new domain.

TomG.

PS - I would never do this, and don't ask me how he does.

I can confirm that this does indeed kill a site. I did the same thing foir a loan site that was making $3000 a month.........once I was penalized (banned) it dropped down to a $300 a month site. It was the basis for me in terms of debunking a duplicate content penalty but
added credability to what I call a mirror content penalty (same content on your own site over and over). Mirror content is what I call it, but someone who is much smarter on this type of stuff might label it different.

Incidently, I did notice that the site recently came back to life and now has a PR again (not that it means anything) so who knows what is right or wrong. All I'm concerned with is how much traffic can I generate with my article submissions.

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Debbie Songster

16 years ago

As for duplicate content on the same site - I have to agree - why WOULD you do that?

Duplicate content on an information site or blog usually isn't an issue but on an ecommerce site it is.

StomperNet goes into detail about that issue because their experience is with ecommerce sites.

Take one of my stores for example. I have over 5,000 charms listed. I'm going to have duplicate content on the same site (to a certain extent) - its a fact of life.

As for duplicate content between different web sites. I've never seen a problem with it. I certainly haven't experienced any issues with it. The same articles are shared and printed between hundreds of news sites without penalty - why should the "average Joe" web site be any different?

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briankoz

16 years ago

This is the way I have always understood it... there never WAS a Google Penalty! Google didn't penalize anyone for duplicate content but they would only index one of the pages and the other page was not indexed. I believe it is still the same way.

Nope, that's not the case, and a quick Google search will prove that. If you do just about any search, especially more long tail keywords, you'll find several of the same articles, content, etc. all appearing ranked in the top 10 on different sites.

I think people get confused with this because Google does try to filter out "junk" type sites (made for adsense ones are usually guilty of this) that offer little to no value to the visitors. However, you can definitely use duplicate content all over your sites and it will only typically benefit you.

It still amazes me some of the stuff people say about this, as well as some of the work people go through to avoid this...

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16 years ago

Thanks for the link to the post! It's definitely hard to trust G these days. One day your websites are fine and the next maybe your slapped. Who knows? Google and eBay are changed every day without any clear explanations whats so ever. Good post!

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Kay King 16 years ago

I personally have no idea if there's a penalty and don't really care because I'm not trying to rank PLR content, it's there for other reasons.

You lost me there - I didn't mention PLR though it was mentioned earlier.

The main questions about duplicate content seem to come from those worried about posting their own original article on more than one site or on their site and in a directory.

Though I occasionally will add a page to a site using a PLR article, it's only until I can go back and edit/rewrite that article as most PLR is not good enough to use as is. A PLR article article, unchanged except for the author name, is not good content to me.

Not sure what we're arguing about - the focus I have is on removing the fear of the term "duplicate content" simply because it's unnecessary to worry about it.

Sorry my "literacy" isn't up to your standards. In spite of my limitations, my sites do quite well, as do my articles.

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SistersTalk

16 years ago

This is great to know! I have writers submitting material to me all the time - and it's usually content that's been used elsewhere. We would add hyperlinks where there didn't use to be any to avoid the "duplicate content penalty" We thought it worked since we were never penalized for duplicate content. Now we learn that penalty never existed.

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ExRat 16 years ago

Hi Dean/Tim,

I got the adsense email too - it appears to be entirely genuine.
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Allen Graves

16 years ago

Sorry...don't want to step on anyone's toes. Just little article marketing nuances that should or shouldn't be practiced. Just make sure that whoever you listen to shows you proof for everything they tell you to do. If they don't provide it...demand it...nicely.

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Kurt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Sorry...don't want to step on anyone's toes. Just little article marketing nuances that should or shouldn't be practiced. Just make sure that whoever you listen to shows you proof for everything they tell you to do. If they don't provide it...demand it...nicely.

AL

Hey Al,

First, this isn't anything new...This has been Google's stated MOO for years.

Second, per your post above, you can please show us where multiple versions of the same article all rank well for a decent keyword, and have held these rankings for at least 3 months?

This is from Google themselves:

Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article. You can also ask those who use your syndicated material to block the version on their sites with robots.txt.

Duplicate content - Webmaster Help Center

Note the use of the phrase "the version". This tells us Google only intends to display a single version of a syndicated article. Sure, doops may slip through, but this isn't what Google wants. There are other documents on Google.com that back up this intention.

Again, there is a difference between a "penalty" and a "filter". Just because there is no penalty doesn't mean there is no filter. Fo those interested in this subject, just google "duplicate content filter".

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anomaly

16 years ago

This is good news ... i've often wondered if it was true myself, as I would often get copies of the same articles in different sites showing in the search results ... nice to see it from the horses mouth!!

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lisaann

16 years ago

I've been baited into posting to this thread even though I will likely regret it later due to my unpopular opinion.

Guys, do you really think you can take PLR or scraped articles, put them on your site and get a high level of search engine traffic????

Am I right that this is what most of you are saying ... "I can take PLR articles or articles off EZA or some other article directory and I will get tons of free search traffic?"

So let's say you create your site with nothing but duplicate articles that are all over the web and I create my site with unique content on the same topics/same keywords with the same amount of link building ...

Do you really think you're going to get anywhere near as much free search engine traffic as I am?

NO WAY!!!

Believe whatever you want. I have tested this for myself. Many of the people on this forum are "testing" it right now by building sites with duplicate content and then not earning enough to even get the minimum Adsense or affiliate payouts to earn a monthly check.

If you're in this boat do you still want to continue down the path you're currently on?

Call it a penalty or call it something else, but you'll do far better in the search engines with unique content. It's called having something to offer versus being ... well ... pretty darn lazy and not real serious about earning online.

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TimG

16 years ago

Hmmmm..............with myself, Dean, Roger and now Steven along with a few others I know it does indeed appear that Google is spot checking random sites and then banning them for some reason known only to them.

Pity, as the site they banned for me was my credit report site which was doing quite nicely for myself and Google.

Tim

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TimG

16 years ago

Kurt,
Here is one example where I have 2 seperate articles that are both ranked in the top 4 on 2 different sites:

military motorcycle loans - Google Search

if you do a search on Google for military motorcycle loans (no quotes) you will see 2 of my articles. They are:

Motorcycle Loans For Military With Bad Credit (which is seen twice)

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Taking the Edge Off of Military Motorcycle Loans (again seen twice)

I'm not sure if its a good example or what it means. Additionally, at one point in time I controlled 8 of the top 10 spots for that search term with those 2 articles.

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ExRat 16 years ago

Hi Steven,

My email was like Dean's - it mentioned one of my sites specifically as an example of one that was causing the problem.

Unfortunately, I have a few hundred more of the same ilk

Thankfully, adsense was just a 'tip jar' for anyone who didn't prefer the main monetisation.
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