Offline - think outside the box

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G'day

There are so many threads on here about offline consulting, how to get started, how to find clients, how to talk to people, what to offer and how much to charge.

Most people understand the potential of IM for offline business - but struggle to put it together.

Think a little differently...

Instead of finding lots of different businesses, in lots of different niches, with lots of different needs...

Find one type of business, in one niche, with the same set of needs.

Find a solution to all the problems the businesses in that niche have, then create a site with benefits and features, and a price point.

Try to offer something no-one else is. That's not hard if you choose a niche that hasn't been targeted by 50 gazillion other 'web designers'.

NOW phone the businesses in the niche, explain (briefly) the problems they have and the solution you've created and ask if you can "drop in this afternoon, just have a chat and explain how ...... site can benefit you and your business".

When I use this method it's incredibly rare to NOT get the appointment - and then from the appointment my conversion rate is over 90%.

The best thing about this system is that it can very easily be outsourced because it is a SYSTEM. (Edit: I repeat CAN be outsourced - not SHOULD be outsourced - this is entirely up to you.)

The initial website creation - outsource
Make the appointment with the business - outsource
Visit the business - outsource
Complete the work - outsource
Upsell - outsource
Enjoy your new lifestyle - oh hell do that yourself!

Think outside the box

It's much the same as IM... you can create 100 different sites in 100 different niches, researching each one, finding products for each one, images, plr, articles, traffic, etc etc... or you can create one site in one niche and have an authority site, become an expert in your niche and have people contact you for help. Only one set of keywords, one lot of research, one range of images, plr, articles, traffic, etc etc.

Once you have this setup of course you can have up-sell products for the clients that want them.

Just a thought - think outside the box
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I've seen other people say this before but I can't help but feel that if you're in a business where you want to outsource everything and not do any of it yourself - you chose the wrong business.

    I do outsource the website creation most of the time, but that's because I'm a people person and I love meeting people and helping them with their problems and getting their businesses making more money. Making the website itself is something I enjoy sometimes but I wouldn't want to be spending too much time doing it.

    I think life's too short to be building a business you don't want to do.

    A lot of people take the old saying of "you should work 'on' your business rather than 'in' it" too far in my opinion.

    Every really successful person I've ever met works hard because they love what they do and despite having millions of dollars in the bank - they still work harder than anyone they employ and they'd never stop just because they'd made a ton of money.
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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I've seen other people say this before but I can't help but feel that if you're in a business where you want to outsource everything and not do any of it yourself - you chose the wrong business.

      I do outsource the website creation most of the time, but that's because I'm a people person and I love meeting people and helping them with their problems and getting their businesses making more money. Making the website itself is something I enjoy sometimes but I wouldn't want to be spending too much time doing it.

      I think life's too short to be building a business you don't want to do.

      A lot of people take the old saying of "you should work 'on' your business rather than 'in' it" too far in my opinion.

      Every really successful person I've ever met works hard because they love what they do and despite having millions of dollars in the bank - they still work harder than anyone they employ and they'd never stop just because they'd made a ton of money.
      Well said, Andy! Many people like you and I work right with our teams. Deeply rooted passion and hands-on involvement keep you up to date across the board not only with technological and other business-related advancements, but also your own industry / niche (s) and most importantly your clients (priority!)
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  • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
    hey Andy

    I don't disagree with what you're saying - but I think there's room for everyone.

    Outsourcing isn't a necessity in the beginning, but it certainly is an option for those that prefer to go that way.

    In order to create a profitable business though, it becomes essential to outsource as much as you can. Once that's done it really is a business and not just a job.

    Personally I love my business, I love the contact with the business owners and have formed great friendships with many of them. I enjoy the whole process. But by trying to do all the work totally by myself - I'm doing a dis-service to my clients as I can't physically spread myself in all the directions I need to and still provide exceptional value to them.

    Every really successful person I've ever met works hard because they love what they do and despite having millions of dollars in the bank - they still work harder than anyone they employ and they'd never stop just because they'd made a ton of money.
    Absolutely... couldn't agree more. And they understand that they can't do it all themselves and they don't need to. A successful CEO doesn't go out and do the selling, marketing or design, bookwork, accounts etc. That is all outsourced. Doesn't mean he doesn't work bloody hard.
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    • Profile picture of the author RichMag
      I tend to agree with Andy somewhat. You see so many people on this forum that always say "outsource" and I too outsource much of my work that I do for clients. But I can tell you one thing, with the exception of some high tech design stuff, I can do everything myself if I have too.

      Do to my first career (see avatar), I tend to think of 100 things that can go wrong and only 1 positive. My family thinks Im nuts somtimes. So with outsourcing, what is the worse thing that can happen? Your VA goes missing and your work isnt completed? Your client doesnt care and just wants his/her work completed when you promised it to them. So, even though it might take me all night, I can do EVERYTHING my VA's can do.

      I'm a firm beliver in outsourcing but I think that you HAVE to be able to do everything that they can do. I consider myself the "backup" to my VA's. If you cant, I dont think you will be in business too long.

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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by RichMag View Post

        Do to my first career (see avatar), I tend to think of 100 things that can go wrong and only 1 positive.
        Hehe - maybe that's it.

        I was in the military for 14 years too - so I've always been able to do the job of several people and always have ways to get things done if others let me down.

        I've been let down a lot in the past when outsourcing things, so I've naturally adapted my business so that I get maximum dollars for my time and I rely on others as little as possible.

        I'm not trying to 'build a business' just build a lifestyle that I enjoy, that helps others and that pays the bills. I'm not into putting money in the bank for later, I usually give away any spare money so I'm probably not normal in many ways
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    Well I would love to ask, do you do what you say.

    Outsource everything.

    My experience is that only certain things can be outsourced.

    Generally we get the client and do some of the work and outsource some services once it is all set up.

    I come across so many businesses where internet marketers have done the outsource thing and developed crap and basically a one time sale.

    My model is to retain my customers for years so we modularize everything and upsell all the time.

    Lots of this gets outsourced under tight supervision.

    Quentin
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I mostly outsource the mindless data entry needed to create web traffic and web design.
    I prefer to be the face and brand of my company. Outsourcing is great but can be grueling if you don't have good people.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
    I said it can be outsourced, not that it should be.

    With the site I've just built I did the whole lot myself, simply cause that's where I was at the time. When I started I didn't have money for outsourcing. My husband had just broken his back and we needed money coming in - so I did it all myself.

    My point of this thread wasn't to preach the benefits of outsourcing - it was actually to get people to think about another option in the offline world - ie: the system NOT the outsourcing.

    There are 30 lines of content in the op and only 1 line and 5 bullet points refer to outsourcing.

    I appreciate there are plenty of people on here just doing this for a hobby or a bit of extra money on the side. There are also a larger number of people who want to do this full time and are looking to the offline arena to do that. Those are the people who are looking to build themselves a business.

    With so many threads about offline cash cows - I thought I'd throw out there a system that I've been using for over a year now with considerable success (without outsourcing).

    The point is that rather than trying to find any business in any industry, that it can be much easier to target one niche and discover their needs.

    Answer those needs, provide them with an over-delivered product, don't over charge them and you'll be helping them to grow their business, while at the same time growing yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hehe,

    You can guarantee if there's something you didn't want to focus on - someone will take it and run with it

    Thanks for sharing, I'm not sure it's out of the box but it's good that you want to share and it's probably outside someone's box.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Hehe,

      You can guarantee if there's something you didn't want to focus on - someone will take it and run with it

      Thanks for sharing, I'm not sure it's out of the box but it's good that you want to share and it's probably outside someone's box.
      :rolleyes: yeah always the way haha.

      I don't want to send this thread on another discussion about 'outside the box' so will leave that alone too :p

      Actually just thought it might help some people - you never know
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
      I believe most things can be outsourced or insourced. The question is finding competent people who can perform which is easier to do with an in-house employee because its easier to train them.

      @Andy and @RichMag

      I'm former military myself and your position surprises me. The military is based on people being competent in their position and coming together as a team to accomplish the mission.

      I've never seen any squadron skipper turning wrenches on an airplane. That's what the mechanics are for and if they're not doing their job replace them.

      Just imagine a SEAL team where one member didn't pull his weight. On a mission the other members would take up the slack but that person wouldn't be in the teams for long.

      Not to beat a dead horse but one more example. If a regimental commander thinks one of his battalion COs isn't cutting the mustard he doesn't take over that battalion. He counsels that CO and if performance doesn't improve they're replaced.

      Who want's a business where you have to do everything. IMO you should be striving to put people in place to replace you so you can concentrate on the more important areas of implementing strategies and tactics to grow your business.
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      • Profile picture of the author netkid
        Stef,

        What you are talking about is "vertical marketing." I totally agree that if you specialize in one or two narrow and deep niches, you can get more "mileage" out of your services. You do have advantages because you are intimate with their problems and concerns and don't have to research from "scratch" if you covered all industries. Easier to sell your sevices that way.

        As far as outsourcing, I agree with "sdentrepreneur" here that the redundant "office" management stuff should be given to them. We need to be in "quality control" of our operation.
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        • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
          Originally Posted by netkid View Post

          Stef,

          What you are talking about is "vertical marketing." I totally agree that if you specialize in one or two narrow and deep niches, you can get more "mileage" out of your services. You do have advantages because you are intimate with their problems and concerns and don't have to research from "scratch" if you covered all industries. Easier to sell your sevices that way.

          As far as outsourcing, I agree with "sdentrepreneur" here that the redundant "office" management stuff should be given to them. We need to be in "quality control" of our operation.
          Exactly!

          It is sooo much easier to specialize in one niche. Means you dont have to constantly research new keywords, problems, solutions, products etc - leaving your time much available to focus on actually delivering the solution to the businesses.
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      • Profile picture of the author RichMag
        Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

        I believe most things can be outsourced or insourced. The question is finding competent people who can perform which is easier to do with an in-house employee because its easier to train them.

        @Andy and @RichMag

        I'm former military myself and your position surprises me. The military is based on people being competent in their position and coming together as a team to accomplish the mission.

        I've never seen any squadron skipper turning wrenches on an airplane. That's what the mechanics are for and if they're not doing their job replace them.

        Just imagine a SEAL team where one member didn't pull his weight. On a mission the other members would take up the slack but that person wouldn't be in the teams for long.

        Not to beat a dead horse but one more example. If a regimental commander thinks one of his battalion COs isn't cutting the mustard he doesn't take over that battalion. He counsels that CO and if performance doesn't improve they're replaced.

        Who want's a business where you have to do everything. IMO you should be striving to put people in place to replace you so you can concentrate on the more important areas of implementing strategies and tactics to grow your business.
        Hey Kevin,

        My point was that I know how to do everything that I outsource, I dont do it all.

        Have I ever seen a Battalion Commander dig a foxhole? No. As a matter of fact, I dont even know if he has any idea on how to construct a useful, safe one. I would venture to guess very few do and those that can do this task, were probably enlisted at one point in their lives.

        Have I ever seen a First Sergeant (what I retired at) dig a hole? No. But 100% of his Soldiers relalize that he knows how to build one because he probably contructed 100's of them while he moved up the ranks. Would I dig a hole when I have able bodied Soliders to do it. Heck no. Would I if we were short handed and in Iraq with the tempature 110 degrees? Heck yes.

        It's probably just an enlisted vs officer mentality I guess. When I was a Drill Sergeant, part of our Creed was "I will lead by example, never requiring a Soldier to attempt any task I would not do myself".

        I just like being 100% proficient at everything that I outsource for. Kind of like "In case of emergency, break glass and have Rich do the Article Marketing". Thats what I was getting at.

        As I get busier with calls and appointments, there is no way I have the time to do all of the tasks that I promise my clients so I have to outsource. Like most, I use some good one's located overseas. I tend to pay on the high side to them though so that I know Im getting good quality work and that they wont disappear on me when I really need them.

        Not trying to be argumentive with you Kevin, but I wanted to clarify where I was coming from in my first post.

        Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    I understand the idea that if I want to be really successful in one thing, I need to be passionate about that one thing. I get it.

    But what if I only want to be a mediocre success in many many things and use the scalability of the internet to do that on a largely automated and hands-off basis?

    Is success through replication of "good enough" not just as valid as success through pursuit of excellence?

    Note, I'm personally all about pursuing excellence, but I don't think it's accurate that all successful people are all about working hard and loving what they do. I know some people that are successful because they'll take as much as they get and give as little as possible back.

    But that's an extreme. What I'm saying is, with the web, I can thrive by having one #1 best-selling product, or I can be like, #10 in 100 different niches. I might not sell a lot, but I have zero overhead and can eventually make it up in volume.

    Just a thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    And don't forget to document all you're doing and get testimonials, preferably videos that address a specific problem you solved.

    Originally Posted by NewbiesDiary View Post

    G'day

    There are so many threads on here about offline consulting, how to get started, how to find clients, how to talk to people, what to offer and how much to charge.

    Most people understand the potential of IM for offline business - but struggle to put it together.

    Think a little differently...

    Instead of finding lots of different businesses, in lots of different niches, with lots of different needs...

    Find one type of business, in one niche, with the same set of needs.

    Find a solution to all the problems the businesses in that niche have, then create a site with benefits and features, and a price point.

    Try to offer something no-one else is. That's not hard if you choose a niche that hasn't been targeted by 50 gazillion other 'web designers'.

    NOW phone the businesses in the niche, explain (briefly) the problems they have and the solution you've created and ask if you can "drop in this afternoon, just have a chat and explain how ...... site can benefit you and your business".

    When I use this method it's incredibly rare to NOT get the appointment - and then from the appointment my conversion rate is over 90%.

    The best thing about this system is that it can very easily be outsourced because it is a SYSTEM. (Edit: I repeat CAN be outsourced - not SHOULD be outsourced - this is entirely up to you.)

    The initial website creation - outsource
    Make the appointment with the business - outsource
    Visit the business - outsource
    Complete the work - outsource
    Upsell - outsource
    Enjoy your new lifestyle - oh hell do that yourself!

    Think outside the box

    It's much the same as IM... you can create 100 different sites in 100 different niches, researching each one, finding products for each one, images, plr, articles, traffic, etc etc... or you can create one site in one niche and have an authority site, become an expert in your niche and have people contact you for help. Only one set of keywords, one lot of research, one range of images, plr, articles, traffic, etc etc.

    Once you have this setup of course you can have up-sell products for the clients that want them.

    Just a thought - think outside the box
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      For most people starting out the best strategy is simply to talk to all the business owners they know and anyone who'll listen to them so they get an idea of how these people think, what their concerns are etc etc.

      Once you've got past working with your first paying clients and you have an understanding of how that process works, what kind of services you're comfortable providing and what to avoid then niching can be a great idea for many people.

      At that point you also want to be thinking about working with clients from out of town in the same niche...using existing clients in the niche to give you out of town referrals etc etc.

      If you're going to put a lot of work into creating a site etc you want to get maximum leverage from that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    Originally Posted by NewbiesDiary View Post

    G'day

    NOW phone the businesses in the niche, explain (briefly) the problems they have and the solution you've created and ask if you can "drop in this afternoon, just have a chat and explain how ...... site can benefit you and your business".

    When I use this method it's incredibly rare to NOT get the appointment - and then from the appointment my conversion rate is over 90%.

    Make the appointment with the business - outsource
    Visit the business - outsource
    Agree with what has been said regarding maintaining long term customers by building relationships, but as an alternative to outsourcing the contact with the business, I'd be inclined to partner up with someone with complimentary skills to mine.

    For example, as a homeschooling mum who spends my days with an 8 year old and a 10 year old, I'd probably not make the most professional impression when I phoned or dropped in for a visit! My kids are fantastic with great manners but kids are still kids.

    However, I do have a good friend who isn't in that position, who has fantastic people skills and managed my veterinary practice for me brilliantly. So, if I were to do something like what Stef suggests, we would again work as a team; she would handle the interaction with the business and I could do the behind the scenes work while my kidlets did their maths.

    It still allows outsourcing of the technical parts at a later date, while your customers still personally know who they are dealing with. Win-win. You just need to find the right person to work with.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
    hey Audrey

    I home schooled my son during for grade 6 - so I know how challenging and rewarding it can be, all at the same time LOL. Onya

    You're absolutely right of course - there's no reason why you couldn't partner up with someone.

    Also if you're interested in a niche, but not confident to talk to the businesses on their subject this would be a great way to do it. Partner with someone who is passionate about the niche and can comfortably talk to the business owner and that's half the battle won.

    I found when I visit my clients, one of the things they mention is my passion for 'their' industry. As it's 'my' hobby it's quite easy and really incredibly enjoyable too - who doesn't want to chat all day long about their passion :p

    I love win-win-win situations.
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  • Profile picture of the author ferriswannabe
    Originally Posted by NewbiesDiary View Post


    Instead of finding lots of different businesses, in lots of different niches, with lots of different needs...

    Find one type of business, in one niche, with the same set of needs.

    Find a solution to all the problems the businesses in that niche have, then create a site with benefits and features, and a price point.
    Can you give an example of how you go about finding out what exactly are the problems that a particular industry has. If you are unfamiliar with the industry, how do you research what their problems are?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
      Originally Posted by ferriswannabe View Post

      Can you give an example of how you go about finding out what exactly are the problems that a particular industry has. If you are unfamiliar with the industry, how do you research what their problems are?

      Thanks
      There are generic problems for a lot of small business. There are specific problems too - but once you have an understanding of the main ones, they'll sure let you know about the rest.

      For my niche there are a lot of online shops, and as we are in Australia it's sometimes cheaper for the customer to buy their products online from the States than our shops can buy wholesale - so that's the first problem. In answer to this - you can't always compete on price and it's silly to try - you'll just 'sale' yourself out of business. But you can promote yourself in ways that others aren't, you can promote your service and friendliness, asking for advice, things you are can provide that the online shops can't - eg you can't touch, smell or taste online. Colors aren't accurate online. Once you add postage the prices can end up close anyway. Things like that.

      There are also a couple of very large chain stores across the country**. These chains go into a small town, stock the items the independent shops have and under price them. Then once the independent has closed down the chain stops stocking those products, goes back to their regular line and puts all their prices up. The local shoppers are left wondering what just happened.

      (**This is actually a really good way of finding a niche. If there are chain stores in a niche it's cause there's people spending in it. It also means there are likely independent businesses in that niche that are struggling as a direct result of the chain stores. Think about what chain stores you have near you. We have camping, fishing, boating, push bikes, car accessories, hardware, fabric, furnishings, homewares and that's just off the top of my head - there are heaps more)

      Then you have things like - the shop owner is prob advertising in the yellow pages - which is specifically local (and expensive). Or maybe some magazines which can cost up to $3500 per month for one full page spread. They know they need a web presence, but don't know where to start or who to trust. They don't have a lot of money to spend cause they are struggling, but they still need help none the less - and they know it.

      They also don't usually have any spare time. They are in their business during the day, they do paperwork at night and can't find extra time to develop or even maintain a website themselves.

      If you point out to the prospect business owner that these are the issues that you are aware of and how you are trying to help with your site, they'll be listening with both ears open. Once you mention the main issues - the owner will usually start to relax and start to talk about these problems and will also tell you lots more. They'll do this with you cause you already 'get it'. You are demonstrating that you want to help them. Once you start listening to them your site is able to grow as you create areas to assist with those specific problems.

      By creating a wpmu (now WP 3.0 Multi Site) community site, they get better rankings, better exposure, a much cheaper option and a fully blown website. If you do the maintenance for them, do their updates, etc etc you are taking a load off their minds and they'll be more than happy to run with you.

      But the key to all of this is to actually care about the owner's business as if it was your own - and do your best to help them with their issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Myself personally I don't think I'd outsource the actual client meetings/interviews...I like to screen for personalities just as much as I do for potential opportunities of helping the business owner.

    Tasks that don't require marketing knowledge (like SEO, content writing, designing etc.) I *can* do, but outsource those...but when it comes to building quality relationships with clients (especially ones you want to have for a long time) I don't think I'd outsource that...

    Kind of like outsourcing finding your spouse or a bestfriend, heh (then again some people do pay companies to do just that!)

    ~Dexx
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