Google Borg - Why You Should be Concerned with the New Google Editions

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Google is about to roll-out its new "Google Editions" to sell ebooks. There are two aspects to this:

1. Google will be a retailer. Visit Google and buy your ebooks directly.

2. Google will be a wholesaler to independent bookstores. Visit a website signed up to the program (reminds me of Adsense - but not open to everyone) and you can buy the ebook from the independent bookstore's website, but the transaction flows through Google.

Affiliate impacts if you promote books ...

More competition from places affiliates are locked out of. Probably fewer SEO opportunities as Google now has a financial interest in its SEO results. Before, whether it was a top ranking for Amazon or you, Google didn't care except to the extent it wanted "quality" results.

Now, Google will care because it makes a big difference to Google if Google Editions, a Google Editions partner, or you has a top ranking.

Read more about the new Google Editions service at the New York times:

Small Stores See Google as Ally in E-Book Market - NYTimes.com

Probably the MOST IMPORTANT issue, as you may already be aware, is the last sentence of that article.

Not that Google is now looking to also sell music, but that Google is continuing to attempt to keep visitors on Google without them clicking to your website.

"Google looks to offer customers more of what they are searching for without having to click elsewhere..."

Why promote your competing book review site with an affiliate link to Amazon? Google has made clear it hates affiliate sites. Now it will even more. Better for Google if your site cannot be found, but the Google review can, with the link to buy from Google.

Just ponder for a minute the possibilities if you had 72% of the search traffic - and the potential impact upon your business.

This isn't going to stop at books, just as Amazon didn't stop with its original product selection.

Now for my lawyerly .02 -- in time Google will be the subject of major Microsoft-type antitrust litigation that will seek a divestiture of search from ecommerce activity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    The article also has this: "Independent bookstores seem to believe that Google is more interested in working through them than being a direct retailer. In fact, they are banking on it."

    Suckers. As soon as Google gets a foothold, they'll likely start dropping those little independent bookstores, citing various vague TOS violations, much like they've done with some AdSense publishers.

    Google isn't on anyone's side but their own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      The article also has this: "Independent bookstores seem to believe that Google is more interested in working through them than being a direct retailer. In fact, they are banking on it."

      Suckers. As soon as Google gets a foothold, they'll likely start dropping those little independent bookstores, citing various vague TOS violations, much like they've done with some AdSense publishers.

      Google isn't on anyone's side but their own.
      Don't forget how affiliates were the pioneers of using AdWords, then the businesses they were affiliates OF caught on and Google really doesn't mind cutting out the middle men who made it possible.

      That's why more and more I think organic SEO is the best way to go because even if Google didn't exist, how can you go wrong making more relevant pages with more relevant links. That would get you traffic without search engines even existing.

      Of all the things Google does, free organic traffic is the only case where you get something from them for free - which you may as well do because they'll certainly use your content to sell ads on top of, with your permission or not.

      But back to the OP's point, I agree - they won't stop with books. Google is the number one search engine - content is what feeds the machine. They want all content. All video, all books, all websites. All of it.

      To put ads on. They don't care who buys the ads or who evangelizes them, because all they sell is ads. As long as they sell more, they are happy. So there's no real part of Google's business model that is "safe" for affiliates.

      But if you're a direct creator of a product, they have all manner of targeted traffic you can buy very cheaply, all things considered.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

        That's why more and more I think organic SEO is the best way to go because even if Google didn't exist, how can you go wrong making more relevant pages with more relevant links. That would get you traffic without search engines even existing.
        Don't forget social networking too. A site recommended by a friend carries more weight than some random site you find on Google.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          While I wish no actual person any physical harm, the Google company
          should wither away and die like a nuked rodent.

          They are evil incarnate beyond any doubt in my mind with all the crap
          they have been pulling lately.

          And this one is just the topper....or is it just the beginning of the end?
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          • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            While I wish no actual person any physical harm, the Google company
            should wither away and die like a nuked rodent.

            They are evil incarnate beyond any doubt in my mind with all the crap
            they have been pulling lately.

            And this one is just the topper....or is it just the beginning of the end?
            I used to respect them a lot, but I feel they got really dirty in their dealings with China. Whatever the real story is with that, it made me sort of change my whole opinion of them.

            Also, like Dan pointed out, Social Media is a way to circumvent Google.

            That is, until Google finally takes control of or builds a successful social network. If you believe that deleted Tweet from the founder of Digg about how Google will challenge Facebook.

            (btw, I cribbed that last sentence from a Fark headline - funny how 10 years ago, half the words in that sentence would have been meaningless.)

            They've tried before, and they'll keep trying and they'll get it right at some point. People are hot for Facebook now, but look at what happened to MySpace. How much longer do you think kids will keep using it when grandma gets on there?

            I don't have kids yet, but I guarantee Facebook will be a ghost town for their generation by the time they are old enough to use it. It'll be something else, and Google is going to try real hard to be or buy whatever that is.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    Google does not want to control the internet- Google wants to BE the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    I used to laugh at science fiction in which a future society was run (ruled, controlled, forced to deal with) the all encompassing company. This would be one super-corporation that controlled everything. In the sci-fi books, and in the movies, the super-corp was run by the "bad guys," and in the end the hero of the story would overcome the super-corp and its baddies.

    Between Amazon selling everything, and Google wanting to control all media, maybe the sci-fi writers were not all that far off base about our future.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

      I used to laugh at science fiction in which a future society was run (ruled, controlled, forced to deal with) the all encompassing company. This would be one super-corporation that controlled everything. In the sci-fi books, and in the movies, the super-corp was run by the "bad guys," and in the end the hero of the story would overcome the super-corp and its baddies.

      Between Amazon selling everything, and Google wanting to control all media, maybe the sci-fi writers were not all that far off base about our future.

      :-Don
      Ultimately, everything is made of information. When you are the manager of that information, you control everything. When you render all things into parse-able information, your position as the indexer of that information isn't just nice, it's necessary.

      Google has managed to put itself in my pants via a smartphone. It's closer to me than my wife. It's the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. It's the end-all-be-all repository for the whole of human knowledge, INCLUDING all the lies.

      It freaks me out that it came about in my lifetime, and I've seen it grow to the point that my relationship to it could be confused by more primitive cultures as WORSHIP.

      And to her are we all devoted...
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Google is continuing to attempt to keep visitors on Google without them clicking to your website.
    And what does Google NOT HAVE?

    Content.

    But they have affiliate links and advertisements all day long.

    What do you have?
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    • Profile picture of the author LB
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      And what does Google NOT HAVE?

      Content.

      But they have affiliate links and advertisements all day long.

      What do you have?
      Google's doing a damn good job of stealing content to make their own.

      Look at Google local for example, if you search for a hotel you don't even need to leave Google to see reviews all pulled from other websites.

      They also provide directions (Google maps) along with streetview images of the place and direct links to book services.

      They've done a great job of taking other peoples' content to get people to use their services and CREATE content for Google.

      Google is the largest "thin affiliate" in the world and are getting bigger.

      They have such close ties to the government I don't ever expect to see an antitrust issue unless it's done for show.

      Look at the recent copyright case they won...they exchanged emails admitting they were hosting copyrighted content and they still were protected...

      Google is a quasigovernmental body at this point.
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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
        Originally Posted by LB View Post

        They have such close ties to the government I don't ever expect to see an antitrust issue unless it's done for show.

        Look at the recent copyright case they won...they exchanged emails admitting they were hosting copyrighted content and they still were protected...

        Google is a quasigovernmental body at this point.
        See above re: stuff that went down in China. I agree they are connected to the government in ways that are not disclosed publicly.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by LB View Post

        ...if you search for a hotel you don't even need to leave Google to see reviews all pulled from other websites.

        They also provide directions (Google maps) along with streetview images of the place and direct links to book services.
        I don't really consider those "content."

        Those are "data."

        The distinction is subtle. Data is the same wherever you get it; content is not. Content has a flavour, a personality, a consistency that data just plain doesn't have.

        Which is why data cannot be copyrighted.
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  • Profile picture of the author blogrev
    Another one for those fatcat big businesses. When are we going to take the internet back for ourselves and stop google and all those big business stealing it from us.

    They talk about scams on the internet here is one of the biggest one google.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I'm with Colin on this one. I used to respect Google a lot. Today, Google can kiss my ***. I realize they were trying to get rid of crappy affiliate marketers, but they way they went about it was very poorly executed.

    Seriously. Four years ago they accounted for about 25% of our traffic, today they account for less than 5% of our traffic with my goal of them being less than 2% of our traffic by the end of 2012. As long as I can control my entire sales process and traffic sources they could create their own clickbank, Amazon, whatever......for all I care, it would not impact marketers who have their own network(s) or use traffic sources that don't rely on Google.

    In fact, Google HAS to do these kinds of things to bring in more revenue because they already know online advertising is continuing to grow and that many advertisers are finding alternative ways / methods / platforms to get the word out that doesn't involve Google.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Originally Posted by cosmokid View Post

    With this latest update things have really, really changed. I don't like the fascist control of the flood of information that I'm seeing.
    It's always so good to have you come around, especially when you write
    so damn good.

    Thanks. I couldn't have said it better...really.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Don't all fool yourselves into thinking that Google is all evil.

    Article marketers... Google made YOUR money...

    I'm not Google's best friend, and I can see what it is. Just Sayin'
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    If you have a problem, just contact the Google Complaint Department.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamian
    Let's face the fact that Google is everything, and Google can do anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by Jamian View Post

      Let's face the fact that Google is everything, and Google can do anything.
      You have got to be kidding me. Google has less than 12% of the overall internet marketing traffic. Personally, I think that number is inflated, but hey......

      They are far from everything, nor can they do anything they want.

      Thanx for the laugh this morning, I really needed it.

      Btw, I don't view Google as my enemy. They've help put a lot of money in my pocket. My main point really was to not put all your eggs in one basket which is why over the years we've focused on creating our own networks and building our lists because Google can never control those. Something to think about when you're structuring and building your business for the long haul.

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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    So now Google has become what they hate, an affiliate marketer.

    This screams anti trust to me. I swear, I have said it before, and I say it again. One of these days, Google will take over the world. I think they need to be stopped, they are looking more and more like a cancer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      I remember when I first started using Google. It was back when Yahoo was #1. I don't remember if Yahoo was ever near-synonymous with the Internet, but a lot of people couldn't imagine it not being top dog.

      But, some of us started using Google instead. It wasn't a conscious switch. We'd search in Yahoo then check things out in Google if we couldn't find what we we looking for. Eventually, we just started to check Google first.

      Yahoo was also doing silly things. You used to be able to get listed free. Then they started charging for faster processing of your request to be listed. It was something like $299 and that didn't guarantee a listing, only that they'd look at your site sooner. You didn't have to pay. You could wait 3 to 6 months or whatever to get listed.

      My first homepage was listed in Yahoo in a short period of time. I'm thinking a couple weeks or so. When I started a new homepage with a new URL, I submitted that to Yahoo too. I didn't pay $299. As I recall, it never did get listed, not in 3 months, not in 6 months. Never.

      Meanwhile, you could get listed faster in Google. And you didn't have to pay for it. So, that provided extra incentive for webmasters to use Google. Newer, fresher content was getting indexed faster. And we told our friends to use Google, and our clients and everyone we knew that was online.

      And Yahoo was knocked out of the #1 position, largely of their own doing, by treating website owners poorly.

      Now, however, Google is the new Yahoo.

      What this reminds me of it a thread I started last week: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...t-traffic.html

      In it, I mentioned that, of the top ten sites I visit almost every day, most, if not all, of them I found through organic links. I didn't find them in Google.

      But, you know, how I found them isn't nearly as important as the fact that I keep going back to them. That's the important thing. Once you get someone to your site, you've got to keep them.

      A lot of people think that you have to get them on your list. Offer a freebie. Give them a deal. Use a popup or a popover to get them to sign up for your list. Don't let them leave until they have!

      But, of the sites I visit on an almost daily basis, not one of them has a list, so it's not a list that's bringing me back to their site each day. About half of them have RSS feeds; I'm not subscribed to a single one of them.

      I go back each day because of the content.

      Create compelling content. That's what gets people coming back.

      You know, I must be on dozens of lists. Probably a dozen or so IM lists. I bet most of them gave me a freebie when I signed up. I don't remember what a single one of those freebies might have been. No clue. There are lists I am on and I have absolutely no idea why I originally signed up on the list, what freebie I may have received, what products the list owner sells, or who the list owner is. I know I opted-in, but why? I don't know anymore.

      And I'm on their list! And I receive messages from them regularly. And I still don't remember them.

      On the other hand, I remember to go to these other sites almost every day--the sites without a list. There are places I purchase items from and I'm not on all of their lists either. But, when I need such-and-such an item, I know exactly where I'm going to go look. I don't need to be on their list to remind me; I just remember them.

      Usually, it's been because they had entertaining content (even an eCommerce site can entertain) and/or good customer service and whatnot.

      I still think content is king. And, however people find their way to your site, once they get there, you need to grab them. You need to give them a reason to come back. Few people remember a freebie. It was free. It didn't cost them anything. Why would they remember it? Create a quality site. Create an authority site. The next time someone wants to find or buy such-and-such a thing, you don't want them thinking, Oh, I need to Google that, you want them thinking, I need to visit [YOURNAME]'s website.

      The more Google crosses the line into competing with the webmasters and businesses that pay its bills, the less those people are going to use Google, the less they will recommend Google, the less they will link to Google. Google is not too big to fail.

      We can chip away at Google. If you have a niche website, make sure it's the best website in that niche. Once someone finds your site in Google (or where ever), make sure that that's the last time they use Google, Facebook, whatever to find info on your niche. Make sure they're going to think of you first.

      Google has often been compared to a phone book. These days, instead of a phone book, people tend to use Google.

      However, that's also bad news for Google. Consider the Yellow Pages, for example. There have been surveys done and what they've found is that people often used the Yellow Pages not to look for a business in a niche but to find the number for a business they already had in mind to use. You think they go there looking for a plumber, but really they go there to find the number for a specific plumber their friend or neighbor told them about. If they want to order a pizza, they don't look for pizza places; they look for the number for the pizza place they had already had in mind.

      Google's becoming like that. I might not be using Google to find nearby plumbers but instead to find the web address of a specific plumber I already had in mind to use.

      Mind you, of course that's not true in all cases. Sometimes you really don't have a plumber in mind and you want to find reviews and comparisons and stuff. But, the point is that there are things already chipping away at Google's importance. When you're trying to find a specific plumber, you don't care about the ads or other websites; you're only paying attention to the listing you want to find.

      The long-winded point I am trying to make is that, if you have a quality compelling site in a niche, a visitor will only need to find you once. And once they've found you, they need never do another search in Google for your niche again.

      And that's Google's catch-22. If they deliver a quality site for your search, you need never search them for that purpose again. So, the time you spend on Google becomes less and less. And, if you are getting more and more info from other sources, such as Facebook, you need to do even fewer searches than you have in the past. Plus, when you ask for a certain website on a social network, the results you get back have social proof. As such, they are more valuable than a random result from a search engine.

      Continuing with Google's catch-22, the flip side is that if they deliver poor sites, you have to do more searches, but you also become frustrated. And, if they inch into more of a content provider role in order to keep you on their site, that's going to potentially cost them advertisers. Of course, maybe they feel cutting out the middleman will be better for them. Why get pennies from advertising when you can get dollars by pushing products directly? Maybe they want to be the Wal-Mart of the Internet; squeeze the little guy out and then run everyone else over.

      So, Google is in a tenuous position, and they're not helping themselves. In fact, it seems they have painted targets on their own feet.

      Right now, people think of Google as the source for finding things. Chip away at that. Whether you view Google as the enemy or a partner in getting traffic to your website, the key thing is to become the source of information in your niche. Get people to the point where they are going to think of you first, and not Google (or Facebook or anyone else for that matter), when they want info or products in your niche.
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    I'll be joining as soon as its ready!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      So Google has been sucker punching affiliates on adwords because they want the web to be more "user friendly" and now they are doing affiliate marketing by themselves.

      Bull S*it
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  • Profile picture of the author proactive1
    Thought provocing, thanks! By the way, Google is not beholden to Affiliates. They are beholden to shareholders-- period. They leveraged by using affiliates like so many drones servicing the queen and, in that respect they've earned the right. In the meantime, the shareholders are rebelling. The stock is down from a high this year of 625 in January to 436 this morning as we speak. That's about a 30% drop in share value. Thus it appears they need to create more "value" for investors and this latest move could very well accomplish that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    Wow you guys are really upset with google. Just go use Yahoo and forget about it.

    As for young people thats a load of crap. They don't even use google they use facebook and social networking sites chats and sms. Their much more mobile than we are.

    Maybe all my kids are different but thats what I have seen.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    One of my favorite sayings is...

    GING!

    Google Is Not God

    So, the next time they get under your skin or do something you don't like, imagine a bell going off...

    GING! GING! GING!

    Hope that helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Not that Google is now looking to also sell music, but that Google is continuing to attempt to keep visitors on Google without them clicking to your website.

    "Google looks to offer customers more of what they are searching for without having to click elsewhere..."

    Why promote your competing book review site with an affiliate link to Amazon? Google has made clear it hates affiliate sites. Now it will even more. Better for Google if your site cannot be found, but the Google review can, with the link to buy from Google.

    Just ponder for a minute the possibilities if you had 72% of the search traffic - and the potential impact upon your business.

    This isn't going to stop at books, just as Amazon didn't stop with its original product selection.
    The sky is falling!! The Sky is falling!!

    If you have been of the mind that Google ever cared about YOUR bottom line, then you have not been paying attention.

    Google is in business only to help its own bottom line, and it has been that way from the very beginning.

    Google is not as altruistic as people give it credit... Never has been...

    From the beginning, Google is looking out for Google...

    Until recent years, that meant that it offered the best search engine results... Or at least the perception that it offered the best search engine results...

    First came Adwords, and they went from being a provider of search services to other companies, and became a top destination for advertising dollars...

    About a six months ago, Google started integrating an advanced version of Adwords - a version that allows companies to post a specific hard product, with pictures and prices to Google's Adwords interface... But instead of paying per click, advertisers were told that they would need to pay per sale...

    Now Google is going to take on Amazon...

    It has been going this direction forever...

    Who cares if it is unfair to you or me... The government does not care if it is fair or unfair... Consumers are deciding with their wallets whether they are willing to look at Google as a retail giant...

    And so far, it looks like Google is well positioned to dwarf Amazon around the next corner...
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      This morning Google announced it is paying $700 million for a travel technology company that will allow Google to make online travel bookings.

      This will include airfares, hotels, cruises, etc.

      Yet another example of Google leveraging its dominant position in search.

      TPW: No need to be glib about the 'sky is falling' because you are correct about Google being interested in Google - and Google positioning itself to go after Amazon.

      The question is - what is your market? Maybe this doesn't affect you - today.

      But if you are an affiliate promoting books - you're going to be affected.

      If you're an affiliate making money from online travel bookings - you're going to be affected.

      If you're an Amazon affiliate you're going to be affected if Google takes portions of Amazon's business.

      The ultimate point is that Google built it's business by being able to index your content and to steer customers your way.

      That is rapidly changing.

      If your content is now provided by Google, or rendered moot because whatever you are promoting is provided by Google directly, then your website has declined in value. Perhaps become obsolete.

      It that "fair"? You miss the point - and that is to be aware of what is happening, to project the potential impact upon your business, and to plan accordingly.
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      • Profile picture of the author LB
        When Google introduced "quality score" and I watched all the relevant ads disappear from the results and get replaced by ringtone and diet ads I knew exactly what was happening.

        What google does masterfully is to tell you they are helping you while their hand is in your back pocket.

        Look at the recent issue of them stealing wifi data...they claim they didn't know it was happening! As if a software program complex enough to do that just magically appeared.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    Let's just stop for a moment as marketers and think from the perspective of being a real user of Google... What Google is doing is actually good to the end-user!

    We should think more like real users, because we ARE real users.

    My 2 cents.

    -Shaun
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    • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
      A parallel:
      Guy running for Congress. Man of the People. Family Values. Shaking hands, kissing babies, interviews with press, ribbon-cutting ceremonies, TV ads, high visibility. Willing to talk with anyone who is willing.

      Two years later. Now a member of Congress. You're a constituent? No money to contribute? You'll be lucky to talk to an assistant to an assistant. Got a problem? Unless you're someone important, with clout, maybe, just maybe, you'll get a form letter response.

      And that's Google. Like the family "pet" turning on a member of the family. Don't blame Google for mauling a "family member" That's just its nature.
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