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Squidoo Slap...

by mikemcmillan
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I used to use Squidoo to set up pre-sell pages for affiliate products. Over the past year, however, it became quite clear that Squidoo didn't care much for people promoting affiliate products there--especially in the IM niche.

It's been a little over a year since I did anything there for that reason. But a week ago I did try to set up such a page--and I only had one affiliate link on the entire page. I got a note saying Squids spam filters identified the lens as spammy. I've seen spam on Squidoo and that lens wasn't it.

Today I got 8 separate emails saying that 8 of my lenses were now considered spam and had been marked for deletion. They, too, only had one or two affiliate links and were pretty informative. Some of these were 3-4 years old.

I only mention this because, at least for me, it just isn't worth the time trying to fiddle with Squidoo anymore. Blogger is much easier to use and format, and--of course WordPress is a far, far superior alternative to either.

Just mentioned this because I would think twice, maybe three times, before spending a lot of time setting up any lenses on Squidoo to promote affiliate products--it may be time wasted. Just a heads-up.

--Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    hehe - the site that marketers built no longer likes marketers....

    anyone else see the irony?
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    • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      hehe - the site that marketers built no longer likes marketers....

      anyone else see the irony?

      LOL!

      I think they were trying to throw away the bath water but
      included the baby and the mother with it.

      Yeah, it's true they keep on filtering lenses, they even marked
      my warriorforum lens as spam all because it included the
      words internet marketing in it.

      The funny thing is I still get about 6 coke in can
      worth of monthly payouts from them.

      It's a pitty. There was a time I made about $150 from them in sales.

      Oh well. I guess we'll all have to move on or build out own platform.

      All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    I wouldn't even think twice, just don't do it. If you build that page on your own domain, no one can decide it's spammy when it isn't. I completely understand using something like squidoo to rank quickly, but why bother if they're going to ensure that you fail? You never get more time, don't waste it :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author psresearch
      I had a completely original ANTI-cash gifting song there with original lyrics, etc. and they spammed it because it was "about cash gifting". LOL

      When I tried to request an exception, the submit form wouldn't go anywhere because it said it was a "spam" lense. I kept taking out words I figured were triggering the filter - but no luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Without resorting to a LONG winded post, because I'm in a bit of a rush right now, there are much better website platform models that have emerged (In terms of treatment of content, allowance of affiliate links, revenue share, etc).

      There needs to be SOME degree of control for quality, however, Squidoo is going overboard. There are other, more innovative, ways that can be resorted to in the treatment of content.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
          I haven't seen that yet. I still get about $40 a month from Squidoo. But I don't build squat on it anymore, takes too long to build a nice site. For free $hit I use blogger. Otherwise, wordpress is the way to go.

          Peace,

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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

            I haven't seen that yet. I still get about $40 a month from Squidoo. But I don't build squat on it anymore, takes too long to build a nice site. For free I use blogger. Otherwise, wordpress is the way to go.

            Peace,

            Shane
            Shane,

            If you don't mind me asking, is that $40 from maintaining a high lensrank in their teired payment scheme, or from actual purchases through your lens modules/your own embedded affiliate links?

            There was a time where I was earning over $30 just with one lens, however, that was from their tiered payment because my lens was ranked #2, in the business section, for months....it took a ton of work and effort to maintain that lensrank, which, ultimately made that $30 not exactly 'worth' it....
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        • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I don't mind dumping articles on Squidoo lenses just as part of a backlinking strategy; it's quick and easy enough to do. I wouldn't touch it for anything approaching a "main site"/"money site", though.
          This.

          There was a time when squidoo was kind to marketing, but now you have two options:

          a) Use it for what it is intended, and have some real fun with it!.. I do this outside of my business. It is a great site from a regular life perspective.

          b) Milk it for all the backlink juice it is worth and sell nothing directly from it I do this, too. It's still a power house in that area.
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          • Profile picture of the author cclou
            Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post


            a) Use it for what it is intended, and have some real fun with it!.. I do this outside of my business. It is a great site from a regular life perspective.
            I love using Squidoo as a place for my Amazon ideas. Sometimes I don't feel like building a full site on something. So I'll spend half an hour and put up a silly lens on lawn flamingos. I actually make a decent (not huge) amount of money this way (especially around Christmas), and it lets me quickly try out a new idea without much time or monetary investment. Lots of flops, but I've found some neat gems and it is a fun break from my other work.
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        • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I don't mind dumping articles on Squidoo lenses just as part of a backlinking strategy; it's quick and easy enough to do. I wouldn't touch it for anything approaching a "main site"/"money site", though.
          Why waste the time for one backlink if they're going to take it down though? I guess it largely depends on the niche, but any time I've tried them (admittedly I'm awfully with web platforms), they said it was too spammy (wine niche, of all things).
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

            Why waste the time for one backlink if they're going to take it down though? I guess it largely depends on the niche, but any time I've tried them (admittedly I'm awfully with web platforms), they said it was too spammy (wine niche, of all things).
            Because their main domain still carries a decent PR and lenses that are updated even somewhat regularly still gain PR nicely, which makes Squidoo an excellent candidate as part of a link farm strategy.
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            • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              Because their main domain still carries a decent PR and lenses that are updated even somewhat regularly still gain PR nicely, which makes Squidoo an excellent candidate as part of a link farm strategy.
              I completely understand using them for PR 'juice', but that only works if they don't take it down as spam. I suppose if you have a fast way to do it though it would be worth the time, another bl never hurt anyone. I just don't know a fast way :-)
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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

                I completely understand using them for PR 'juice', but that only works if they don't take it down as spam. I suppose if you have a fast way to do it though it would be worth the time, another bl never hurt anyone. I just don't know a fast way :-)
                hehe

                It goes something like this...for me anyway...

                1. Make a lens that is completely acceptable to them content wise (use PLR if you want).

                2. Get it past the human review (usually about 2 weeks)

                3. Add links to whatever you want inside of the existing content

                4. Update and repeat with the links

                Same process with hubpages, wordpress, and Google Knol

                Generally I will just use a Macros that we made with 6 or 7 of them in there - post content - wait a couple days - post more content - wait a couple days - have VA go and add links...works like a charm.
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                • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
                  Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                  hehe

                  It goes something like this...for me anyway...

                  1. Make a lens that is completely acceptable to them content wise (use PLR if you want).

                  2. Get it past the human review (usually about 2 weeks)

                  3. Add links to whatever you want inside of the existing content

                  4. Update and repeat with the links

                  Same process with hubpages, wordpress, and Google Knol

                  Generally I will just use a Macros that we made with 6 or 7 of them in there - post content - wait a couple days - post more content - wait a couple days - have VA go and add links...works like a charm.
                  Do you get any traffic from it or just a rankings boost?
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        • Profile picture of the author Calamaroo
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I don't mind dumping articles on Squidoo lenses just as part of a backlinking strategy; it's quick and easy enough to do. I wouldn't touch it for anything approaching a "main site"/"money site", though.
          Will squidoo mind if the "main site"/"money site" that it links to is a blogspot hosted blog?
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  • Profile picture of the author defaultuser
    Yeah... I use squidoo to point my videos at. They are what promote my products.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    I use it for backlinks (SEO - not traffic). The different intent probably leads to a different "flavor" to the lens, as I've not had any problems yet.

    Their forum explains things like how many aff links you can have per lens, etc - so you may still be able to keep future ones in the clear.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Yeah, I may make some in the future, as you guys have said, for SEO purposes rather than promotion.

    But yes, with all of the AdSense ads, glam ads, and textual ads Squidoo uses for income it's hard to think they'd frown on affiliate stuff. Yes, Jeremy--that's irony!

    Jay's sig tells always tells us, Prefiro morrer de pé do que viver de joelhos.

    Grandes palavras Jay!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Lenaghan
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      But yes, with all of the AdSense ads, glam ads, and textual ads Squidoo uses for income it's hard to think they'd frown on affiliate stuff. Yes, Jeremy--that's irony!
      But your affiliate link might just result in one less click on one of their ads and - gasp! - they wouldn't get a cut :rolleyes:

      I guess it's kind of like Google frowning on scraped content when a large percentage of the content on their site is essentially scraped from the sites in the results.

      "Do as we say, not as we do."

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        hehe - the site that marketers built no longer likes marketers....

        anyone else see the irony?
        Kind of reminds me of Adsense in that same way.


        That's why I've never been too keen on spending much time building on someone else's property -- you never know when the game will change.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    As with anything you don't fully control, use it without putting too much of anything into it. Things that are perfectly normal today can be big no-no's tomorrow. On the other hand, till they become that, why not get some traffic and backlinks from them. It's all about how much effort and hope you put into it.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    i gave up on squidoo over a year ago. their pages are filled with nothing but adsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by lacraiger View Post

      i gave up on squidoo over a year ago. their pages are filled with nothing but adsense.
      Adsense is one, of several, monetization methods applied there. I'm not sure having pages "filled with nothing but adsense" should be your primary motivator to discontinue usage of Squidoo....in fact, it is those very Ads that provide writers there with an opportunity to earn....

      Unfortunately, IMHO, their revenue share distribution framework needs a complete overhaul. The way it is structured is clearly intended to favor frequently updated content, which can be a good thing, however, maintaining any kind of consistent lensrank (to qualify for a high tiered payment) is near impossible....and, people oftentimes just give up, especially when you have thousands of lensmasters with hundreds of thousands of lenses, vying for a place in the top teir....

      There is an element of competition involved....however, I do believe the revenue share aspect of their website is inherently flawed and should be structured completely different than the way it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author 24kWing
    This is a very interesting thread. Never thought of Squidoo in so many different way.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
    Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

    Today I got 8 separate emails saying that 8 of my lenses were now considered spam and had been marked for deletion. They, too, only had one or two affiliate links and were pretty informative. Some of these were 3-4 years old.

    --Mike
    The role sites like Squidoo play in our sandpit has fundamentally changed in the last few years. In 2006 you were a savvy businessman. Today, well ... to put it bluntly, you're a spammer. As our industry changes we need to change with it. One year of market evolution in digital marketing is worth 5 in bricks and mortar industries (10 if you look at businesses such as fast food). Actually the industry that I can think of that closely resembles ours is medicine. If you fail to keep up then your skills quickly become outdated.

    Squidoo lenses and the like can be powerful tools. You are just misunderstanding how to get he most benefit out of them now as their TOS update.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by terrapurus View Post

      The role sites like Squidoo play in our sandpit has fundamentally changed in the last few years. In 2006 you were a savvy businessman. Today, well ... to put it bluntly, you're a spammer. As our industry changes we need to change with it. One year of market evolution in digital marketing is worth 5 in bricks and mortar industries (10 if you look at businesses such as fast food). Actually the industry that I can think of that closely resembles ours is medicine. If you fail to keep up then your skills quickly become outdated.

      Squidoo lenses and the like can be powerful tools. You are just misunderstanding how to get he most benefit out of them now as their TOS update.
      I agree. Those who underestimate the value of Web 2.0 sites, like Squidoo, are making an unfortunate mistake. These sites are among the highest ranked in the world for a reason. Use them correctly and you can make a killing.
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      • Profile picture of the author 6sxfigs
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        I agree. Those who underestimate the value of Web 2.0 sites, like Squidoo, are making an unfortunate mistake. These sites are among the highest ranked in the world for a reason. Use them correctly and you can make a killing.
        I have one question, are you making a killing from Squidoo. Please let me know i'm dying as a newbie no actually drooling now :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Originally Posted by 6sxfigs View Post

          I have one question, are you making a killing from Squidoo. Please let me know i'm dying as a newbie no actually drooling now :rolleyes:
          No.

          A "killing"? With a considerable amount of effort, I consistently kept a lens at #2, in the business category, for several months....it was searched quite a bit, and had several hundred internal rating from fellow Squidoo lensmasters....

          At my peak, I was pushing about $50/month there....not much...at all....

          The community there is among one of the best (and biggest) online, however, there are several criticisms of their platform that I have. That $50/month essentially came from having a high lensrank--an endeavor that consumed quite a bit of time, especially when lensrank fluctuates SO MUCH with thousands of lensmasters, producing millions of lenses, and all of them vying to compete for their ever fluctuating tiered payment.

          With greater revenue and membership, they have been able to at least steady increase those payments, to lensmasters, each month, from what I've seen....there was a time when the top tier earned like $5....I really didn't track it very closely, but, I believe the tiered payment was pushing $15-$30.....

          If the site keeps growing, I do anticipate that that tiered payment will keep going up, however, everyone will have to determine, for themselves, if that amount is really 'worth' the effort to continue striving for constantly updated content....When my lens was ranked very high, had I let one day pass without updating it, it would drop significantly in lensrank. Bear in mind, there are also others ways to monetize the site, which, admittedly, I didn't take full advantage of.....
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            I wish Seth Godin read this forum, because there are about 10 things I'd do, off the top of my head, and based on my research of current and emerging platforms, to 'correct' Squidoo.....

            While they do a great job at conveying the revenue share arrangement there, it is inherently complex....so much so, that I guarantee that at least 70% of the people who write there probably don't even understand the specifics of how it works. Personally, I would give the revenue share system a complete overhaul AND offer more....I would also give greater incentivization to pushing for referrals...

            Right now, with 30 some referrals on Squidoo, I haven't seen a single dime from those efforts. Last time I used Squidoo, it was something on the lines of you earn $5 when the lensmaster you referred gained $20.....that's weak...VERY weak...IMHO...

            I would give a lifetime revenue share on all referred members articles as well...

            For the revenue that it would cut, Squidoo would make up for it in greater attraction and usage of it's site.
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            • Profile picture of the author Edk
              It's like anything else in life I guess. We're perceived as being no longer of any use to them anymore so 'bye bye'. (It was an interesting ride while it lasted)
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              • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                Originally Posted by Edk View Post

                It's like anything else in life I guess. We're perceived as being no longer of any use to them anymore so 'bye bye'. (It was an interesting ride while it lasted)
                That may be quite an extreme take on everything....

                They DO have an obligation to their users, and for the general best interest/revenue of the site, to effectively control for quality of content....

                Now, my criticisms have been surrounded by the fact that there 'could be' better ways to reward and incentivize writers to write higher quality articles/lenses....
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                • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
                  I received an email yesterday from Squidoo saying:

                  "As of today, the below lens or lenses have been locked from view and flagged for deletion: "

                  They didn't say what I was doing wrong. It was a review of a "making gold" in World of Warcraft product. I will not use my energy fighting them, especially since this page never made me any money.

                  But I know people like PotPieGirl is saying that they make a fortune with Squidoo, promoting affiliate products. Will that take an end now?
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                  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                    Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

                    I received an email yesterday from Squidoo saying:

                    "As of today, the below lens or lenses have been locked from view and flagged for deletion: "

                    They didn't say what I was doing wrong. It was a review of a "making gold" in World of Warcraft product. I will not use my energy fighting them, especially since this page never made me any money.

                    But I know people like PotPieGirl is saying that they make a fortune with Squidoo, promoting affiliate products. Will that take an end now?
                    Does anyone see a trend here with Web 2.0 websites?

                    Look at what eHow.com, perhaps one of the most popular/high PR websites, did with regards to their occasional massive site wide article sweeps....of course, I don't believe that Squidoo bent their ethically and moral code to such an extent as eHow did, however, I'm not so sure that I'm thrilled by this approach....

                    "They didn't say what I was doing wrong."

                    With such a huge volume of writers and content, it is understandable that they wouldn't give a thorough rationale for each individual article that is flagged/deleted....even still, I've always been of the opinion that greater effort could be put out to communicate with writers....

                    I know I'm using eHow as a bit of a case study of what not to do....and, there's no indication that Squidoo has taken things to such an extreme as they did, however, it would still be nice if....if they have to resort to this....to hire people temporarily to at least try to give as many people as possible a personalized email of what they did wrong/could do better...

                    In the general best interest of the site, I think this approach would be VERY time-consuming, however, I think it could foster an even greater trusting relationship between website/management and users/customers....

                    When eHow conducted their massive site wide sweeps, people who had invested their hearts and souls into that platform, received emails saying basically...

                    "Article Title" - Deleted for: Spam / Other/ etc

                    Seth Godin, of anyone, should understand the value of customer service, and communicating customers....

                    "But I know people like PotPieGirl is saying that they make a fortune with Squidoo, promoting affiliate products. Will that take an end now?"

                    No...at least not yet...and, the future hinges on several factors. IF I were at the helm there, there are several changes I would make immediately...but, that's just me....
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  • Profile picture of the author LesleyJohnston
    I got a similar email about one of my lenses the other day. I hadn't really received much benefit from the lens anyway other than the backlink - more my fault than Squidoo's so I just deleted the lens.

    After blogger going through and deleting blogs I'm focusing more on building my own virtual real estate now.

    Lesley
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I deleted all my Squidoo lenses ... saved them the trouble. It's not worth the hassle to use them anymore to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author 6sxfigs
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I deleted all my Squidoo lenses ... saved them the trouble. It's not worth the hassle to use them anymore to me.
      Really? I have a lens with an Affliate link on it, do you recommend that i delete this as well.

      I really thought this Squidoo thing was the king i mean after all the IM guru's were giving blessing's and writing e-books (i admit i have one of them too).

      I guess everybody is correct here in saying the IM business is so everchanging and evolving, the good thing is many choice's to pursue. :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by 6sxfigs View Post

        Really? I have a lens with an Affliate link on it, do you recommend that i delete this as well.
        No, I don't recommend it. I'm just saying that Squidoo isn't worth my time. If anyone else is doing well with it, good for them, but like Jeremy, I find it ironic that a site built by a marketer is anti-marketer.
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        • Profile picture of the author Heuristic
          Yep, it looks like Squidoo is cleaning house. After reading this thread, I checked my account and it says it has been deleted due to TOS violations (that was June 29). I had 3 (3yr old) relationship lenses that were not on the Squidon't list, and still they have been locked. I hadn't added content for over a year and each had around 3-4 thousand words each of original content.

          The only reason I could see is if they didn't like the Clickbank links. But to be honest, they were low-key and not spammy - just text links, and only 2 per lens.

          It is amazing how they give SPAM as a reason for deletion. It seems to be the catch-all phrase they use over there if they want to get rid of your lens. The real reason likely has more to do with the fact that they want you to make all your money through their profit sharing system.

          So, if they don't want external affiliate links, why not just say so in the TOS and save people all that hard work?
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  • Profile picture of the author geoffco23
    Had the same problem last year. Nice lens, good article, neat job, branded as spam. Happened on Google too; blog locked, still trying to get it opened so I can download my content, bid them farewell, and never darken their doorstep again. Moral? Never put your hard work on somebody else's site if they come over all weird and wreck it. There is always another option open to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author RandyRecientes
    I have recently started with squido and i dont have much idea about it. I wanted more and ideas on it..
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  • Profile picture of the author thefluffanutta
    Here's the Official word from Squidoo: Routine policy enforcement

    If your lenses have been locked, go to this lens for information on what to do next.
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  • Profile picture of the author duia
    Yes, you are right indeed. Through several days' test, I just found it was really a waste of time to create lens on Squidoo because Google is not friendly with Squidoo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Edk
      I'm working in the relationship niche right now; and they'll never have the chance to lock my lenses. Time ans season for everything I s'pose...
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  • Profile picture of the author DrGUID
    Squidoo is so over. Move on!
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  • Profile picture of the author hmigroupllc
    It seems that many sites that were built by marketers have gone the route of slapping other marketers. Not just Squidoo.
    I recently tried to submit a new blog at Blog Catalog. It's content is purely how to content. However, because I had a giveaway offer with a opt in form, they said my blog was solely commercial and could not be listed.
    Like squidoo, apparently many of these sites have come to believe the site owner is the only one allowed to make money, and you, as a user, are not.
    I agree with not allowing the real junk and spam. But they have gone over the top.

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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    FYI I don't have time to find it, but apparently recently the spam filters shut down a TON of accounts erroneously - everyone's had to email Headquarters to get it repaired. Make sure it's not that before you move the content.

    I think there are 2 threads on SquidU about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
    I guess my opinion is this:

    Wordpress is easier, but it doesn't bring traffic as easily as a squidoo hub. I rank well with some of my blogs, yet I find that most people who visit my sites, either buy link rights to display on my website or are spammers. Not excellent sources of traffic unless you have built a brand around yourself and can offer something invaluable.
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