A prime example of why you need to do your research before promoting a product (MEGA WARNInG).

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How To Design, Install, and Build an Automatic Lawn Sprinkler System (not affiliate link)

First problem: navigation bar at the top which contain links that lead off the sales letter.

Second problem: pop-up opt-in box, and 1 at the bottom of the letter

third problem: letter is littered with Adsense

forth problem: the buy now button leads to a separate order confirmation page (not clickbank) which offers a mail-order payment option and a personal PayPal payment button(Which doesn't work) and a clickbank form where your affiliate link is not in the url bar, his is instead.

It even contains a tell a friend script which you wont get affiliate sales for.

Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    I doubt he / she is worried about others promoting it and he / she would be just driving traffic to the site with a pick a lucky number type link structure
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    If he is not concerned about others promoting his product, why pay $50 a month if you are going to try and cheat the affiliates out of sales with a personal PayPal button that doesn't work?

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Fifth problem: none of the testimonials say anything about actually achieving results. Most of them are the kind you get when you hand out review copies just before launching, not the kind of feedback you get from satisfied users.

      With that as the sales page, I'd be extremely leery of the actual product.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

      If he is not concerned about others promoting his product, why pay $50 a month
      A prime example of why you need to do your research: the $50 product setup fee is not per month, it's one time. For $50, the vendor gets his product promoted by affiliates who don't bother looking at the sales page, and he's set things up so most of the time he never even has to pay a commission.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Wow! I have never seen Adsense on a landing page before. That looks terrible.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    There are leaks all over that page. Completely un-promotable.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBeard
    I have seen some pretty well known Clickbank merchants who slap links to their affiliate promotion sites on the footer of their sales pages.

    Most big launches the Twitter links are leaks and the vendors & big affiliates don't care because sales are driven by the 4... sometimes approaching 5 figure bonuses.
    It isn't hard ot encode Twitter links so each visitor gets a different link, or at least one that passes on the affiliate link of the affiiate who drove the traffic in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Skyfox, those are excellent points--and good reasons NOT to promote a product, exactly as you said.

    On a somewhat different note, but related to some of your points, are affiliate pre-sell pages promoting a product. In the IM niche, the vast majority of pre-sell pages are Wordpress blogs--I understand that.

    But if you are a product vendor, when you enter the exact name of your product and see the front page of Google dominated by blogs stuffed with AdSense ads and the kinds of leakers you mentioned--those "leaky" pre-sell pages are taking up valuable Google real estate and they are not effective at driving traffic to your sales page because of all of the junk they contain.

    Not to lecture, but the #1 goal of a pre-sell page is to get visitors to click on the affiliate link. Most have some much fluffy junk on the pages that the main purpose of the page is diluted with clutter.

    I think it's just like you said, are these guys trying to pick up nickels and dimes from AdSense or trying to make a 40, 60, or 90 dollar commission trying to sell the product? Good points.
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    His paypal button is working fine
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  • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
    Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

    How To Design, Install, and Build an Automatic Lawn Sprinkler System (not affiliate link)

    First problem: navigation bar at the top which contain links that lead off the sales letter.

    Second problem: pop-up opt-in box, and 1 at the bottom of the letter

    third problem: letter is littered with Adsense

    forth problem: the buy now button leads to a separate order confirmation page (not clickbank) which offers a mail-order payment option and a personal PayPal payment button(Which doesn't work) and a clickbank form where your affiliate link is not in the url bar, his is instead.

    It even contains a tell a friend script which you wont get affiliate sales for.

    Chris
    Hopefully those engaging in Clickbank sales as affiliates will take this as a serious lesson on why they should diligently assess each and every vendor's sales page prior to making ANY commitment to marketing a product or service.

    The rule should be; run at the sign of any affiliate leakage!

    How much you wanna bet that if an affiliate contacted the vendor and expressed concerns about the leakage, he would stand behind that layout?

    Guaranteed he most likely wouldn't change it because he can use IM novices to drive free traffic to his site; which is essence is really a bridge page for his other IM money making ventures.

    The takeaway; don't become an affiliate of vendors who engage in these tactics.

    Giles, the Crew Chief
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

      How much you wanna bet that if an affiliate contacted the vendor and expressed concerns about the leakage, he would stand behind that layout?
      Always bear in mind that there's no downside to the vendor if you don't get your commission. In fact, if you don't get a commission, that usually means the vendor gets paid more.

      I've always had this vague notion that a vendor should never be an affiliate to his own product, and once he's started an affiliate program, some affiliate should be paid commission on every sale. If you don't know which affiliate to pay, some sort of rule should be used to select one - perhaps you select the affiliate who has most recently made a sale, or who hasn't made a sale in the longest time, or who has earned the most or the least commission this affiliate pay cycle.

      I lean in the direction of least commission this pay cycle with ties broken by time since last sale (longest time without commission wins). This would basically guarantee that EVERY affiliate makes a commission sooner or later, if only because they sat around twiddling their thumbs until they had gone the longest without a sale. If you have N affiliates who never promote your product at all, each of those affiliates is guaranteed a commission every N sales without an affiliate.

      Basically, the vendor should NEVER make extra money if there's no affiliate.

      Just sort of thinking out loud.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    Hmm

    Only had a brief look at the page so I'm maybe missing something, but it looks to me like this is someone who has absolutely no idea (up to a point) what he's doing.

    He's probably not even thought that he's screwing his CB affs (if he has any) by using a paypal button. And he's maybe seen somewhere from years ago its a good idea to put adsense on your page somewhere.

    Shame someone couldn't clean it up for him but then I guess he's probably very proud of it.

    Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author imrat
    this is pretty shocking. it shows you how much most already know about what to do and what not to do.

    top one for me are the affiliate links at the bottom of the page to a range of other products. Even one for an SEO company....
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    • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
      Of course you should not be promoting a page or product like this, I wouldn't call this "research" as much as common sense.

      If someone is willing to slap up an affiliate site or marketing campaign without even looking at the vendor's landing page - then they will not be successful - PERIOD!

      Jeff
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
        Originally Posted by jbsmith View Post

        Of course you should not be promoting a page or product like this, I wouldn't call this "research" as much as common sense.

        If someone is willing to slap up an affiliate site or marketing campaign without even looking at the vendor's landing page - then they will not be successful - PERIOD!

        Jeff
        What is common sense to you and I, may well not be to somebody else, I kid you not, I have had friends show me pages similar to this they were promoting and wondering why they weren't making sales.

        Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Since I haven't used Clickbank in a loooong time I had no idea something like this could happen. Maybe it was all the time but I just never came across it. Thanks for posting so people can be careful. As bad as that page is there are probably other black hatters that are very clever at disguising their cheating.
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