HELP. How does a newbie tell the difference between a good WSO and a not so good one?

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Hi
How does a newbie tell the difference between a good WSO and a not so good one?
I've only been a member of the forum a couple of weeks now, and have considerd a few WSO's
and was about to take the plunge based on reviews alone. When I recieved an e-mail from a "Guru"
who's list I have subscribed to, showing a webinar on how to earn a couple of thousand $$.
I've got to say how good I thought this webinar was and how it opened my eyes and I am
in no way trashing it, quite the opposite.

It did get the old retired grey brain cells thinking though.
No doubt other members will have received this, it is newbie friendly and basically
tells you how and where to source info for free, and how to create your own product...
(rehashing it I suppose) and then advertise it on this forum as a WSO. I would think you experienced
ones out there have seen it all before but for a newbie like me....?
Sorry if I've annoyed the maker of the webinar or any of his partners or subsribers but this
does lead me back to my original question:
How does a newbie tell the difference between a good WSO and a "not so good" one?
Come on if I can be shown how to make what would probably be a fairly old and crappy
rehashed product, with a sales page I would outsource or copy stating that it's for newbies
and the more experienced would know it already etc..etc.. Put it in the WSO section and
earn enough for a couple of nights out, or a small holiday it would actually be worth a bit
of my time, BUT.. BUT! and here's what I'm trying to get at in all honesty it probably wouldn't
be that good. And the reviews would would be from newbies like me, stating how promising it looks. So how do we newbies tell the good from the bad?
Any tips would be appreciated.
Thanks
Mick
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
    Hi Mick,

    this is how I do it... take it as it comes... (I'm new too)

    this is a community, the guys offering wsos are also around providing information.

    Having a look at the profiles and following the threads they have added comments too, give you a good idea of the positioning of the person, relationships, level in the game, strengths, weaknesses and dark spots.

    Then cross the product with this info and see if the person is an authority or not. Then buy.

    As a rule of the thumb, I don't buy anything that seems too good to be true. But sometimes I pay to see the other person's cards, like in a poker game.

    Sandra
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    • Profile picture of the author Mini Michael
      Hi Sandra

      Being totally new to this game it's hard not to get sucked in to every new WSO, or latest best thing.

      I think you given me a valuable lesson there

      Thanks Mike.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez View Post

      Having a look at the profiles and following the threads they have added comments too, give you a good idea of the positioning of the person, relationships, level in the game, strengths, weaknesses and dark spots.
      This.

      I would add one other thing. Most of the people who are serious about this business are on more than one forum. Check other IM forums. Go look on Digital Point. Black Hat World. Wicked Fire. Five Star. Popular Marketers. Market Crush.

      You can spot a lot of the real scammers by looking at what they say on the less-reputable forum neighbourhoods. A ripoff artist sits around acting like a legitimate businessman here and on other white-hat forums, but then goes somewhere like BHW or WiFi and lets his hair down - talking about how gullible and stupid his customers are, or how he ripped these people and those people off, or what complete crap his latest product is but these suckers are paying $97 for it. Because in those neighbourhoods, they applaud stuff like that and have more respect for the people who do that.

      An honest marketer has a congruent personality on all these places. He doesn't look and act like a different person when he goes somewhere else. If you come across someone who's a chameleon, fitting in everywhere and being whatever the situation demands, be very skeptical about this person's claims.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        This.

        I would add one other thing. Most of the people who are serious about this business are on more than one forum. Check other IM forums. Go look on Digital Point. Black Hat World. Wicked Fire. Five Star. Popular Marketers. Market Crush.
        Well... then I guess I will never be serious...

        I am in DP since 2006, and some paid forums, even was moderator of Job Crusher for a while...

        but some of the others... mmmm too much hormones...

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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez View Post

          Well... then I guess I will never be serious...
          But you are on several forums. Just not on those. Hell, I'm not even on half of them. The question isn't whether you're on these specific forums, but whether you're on more than just one.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            But you are on several forums. Just not on those. Hell, I'm not even on half of them. The question isn't whether you're on these specific forums, but whether you're on more than just one.
            LOL OMG... I'm soooo sorry you took me seriously... was just joking, ok?

            ok, will put the emotional volume up the next time when I do that...

            Sandra
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez View Post

              LOL OMG... I'm soooo sorry you took me seriously... was just joking, ok?
              Honestly, you can never tell with some people. I thought you might be, well, offended or something.

              And to be honest, if anyone ever told me you weren't "serious" unless you had an account at Wicked Fire, I'd think they were on drugs. I think the average traditional businessman would just have heart failure over there.

              Not a good place for most people. And being the kind of person who feels comfortable over there... well... not something to be proud of, I don't think.
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              • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                Honestly, you can never tell with some people. I thought you might be, well, offended or something.

                And to be honest, if anyone ever told me you weren't "serious" unless you had an account at Wicked Fire, I'd think they were on drugs. I think the average traditional businessman would just have heart failure over there.

                Not a good place for most people. And being the kind of person who feels comfortable over there... well... not something to be proud of, I don't think.
                offended? nope! I like the pic because my daughter did it, not because it represents me.

                well, I pick up info from there from time to time, not heart failure yet... but my antenna gets a lil messed up, it is a loud place.

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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez View Post

                  offended? nope! I like the pic because my daughter did it, not because it represents me.
                  Am I right in thinking it's a fly wearing a sweater? Because that's hilarious.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
                    Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                    Am I right in thinking it's a fly wearing a sweater? Because that's hilarious.
                    Actually it is a cat, her name is Agatha... she is not a nice girl. LOL

                    only that in this episode everyone received sweaters from grandma...

                    it is a comic my daughter loves, the name is Gaturro. it's in Spanish.

                    Look for the cat girl with big a big bow and tons of lipstick:


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  • A lot of it is a feel for professionalism.

    Look at how well established the Warrior is. A good indicator is their post count (you can always check some of their posts to see they aren't just trying to inflate their count), as well as the number of times they've been Thanked.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mini Michael
      Originally Posted by impact-productions View Post

      A lot of it is a feel for professionalism.

      Look at how well established the Warrior is. A good indicator is their post count (you can always check some of their posts to see they aren't just trying to inflate their count), as well as the number of times they've been Thanked.

      Thom
      Thanks Thom

      Sounds like knowing your way around the forum helps. I'll be doing that from now on.

      Cheers Mick
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      • Profile picture of the author BlazingSwitch
        Some nice feedback on how to sort through the chaos.

        Each forum has it's own quirks and things to look out for. I typically do my research depending on the deals and terms.
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      • Profile picture of the author freemen14
        Very good post. Some good advice which was given to me was that you should use a wso as a tool. so if you have an idea for an IM project you should purchase a wso to help you specifically with that project/ area or whatever. a personal example is that I have been working on a few youtube traffic tactics as of late and have purchsed a few wso's related to youtube. they have been very helpful. IMHO the key is to focus on something then buy a wso which fits that focus.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    I think the bigger the fonts are the worse the product is.
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    • Profile picture of the author ARVolund
      Honestly you should put your money back in your wallet and keep it there for awhile. The biggest mistake beginners make is spending too much money on systems.

      Lets assume that all the WSO's you see are true (I know it is a big assumption) and that everyone of them made a huge amount of money for the person selling it. That does not mean you will be able to make that same level of money or anything even close.

      You probably have different skills and interests than the person selling you their system. Most of them are probably going to be a bad fit for you.

      What you need to do is spend a lot of time reading this board and maybe others. There is a lot of free info out there to be had. This should give you at least a couple of ideas of which direction you want to go. Try them, see what appeals to you, what you seem to be good at etc.

      Now that you have an idea of where you want to go you may start thinking about spending a little money. Look for tools to save your self time on something you are already doing. Maybe a system that somebody has that matches up with the direction you have decided to go in. This may shorten your learning curve so again you are saving yourself time.

      Remember though that every time you spend money you have to think about the ROI. You have to get that money back plus a return or it was wasted. Be very slow to spend your money until you have enough knowledge to tell whether it is a good fit for you personally.

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      • Profile picture of the author TimD
        Originally Posted by ARVolund View Post


        Lets assume that all the WSO's you see are true (I know it is a big assumption) and that everyone of them made a huge amount of money for the person selling it. That does not mean you will be able to make that same level of money or anything even close.

        You probably have different skills and interests than the person selling you their system. Most of them are probably going to be a bad fit for you.

        Richard
        I'm in total agreement with Richard. I've bought a lot of WSOs. About 1/4 of them work for me. I don't think it's because the others are bad. There's just some connection between you, your interests, the way you present yourself, and the system in the WSO. I've bought WSOs that are going gang busters for the author and they don't work for me.

        I'd say there are two things to look out for.
        1. Find a hungry market that you resonate with. My hit rate for WSOs and any tactic soars when it's targeted to a market that is ravenous for services and for some reason I click with them. I don't even buy great WSOs anymore if the business model isn't one that I already know I click with. It will be a waste of my money. And for me, what's worse, a waste of my time to set up the system and test it.

        2. When I find a WSO in the domain where I'm successful (I have a narrow range of business models within which I know I can make money), I look for detail, detail, detail. Lots of people try and refine a system. Then sell a WSO. And they think the secret idea is the heart of the WSO. And it rarely is. What makes a WSO turn into a really profitable line of business for me is the detailed execution.

        The warning signs are the WSOs (and this is 95% of what you'll see) where all the reviews say, "Wow, this is the best WSO I've ever read. I thought I'd seen it all. But your idea is just great. It's only 9 pages. But it's no fluff. Just great ideas."

        If all the reviews are about how great a read the WSO is. That's because people aren't making money with it.

        You have to be really entrenched in the business to make a lot of money with a 9-page idea. I've bought short WSOs that I've turned into a lot of money. But only because I already knew the business model intimately and I could snap this idea into something that was already working for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    I'd say look for products that respected people rave about on the main forum. If people are putting their reputations on the line, free of charge, about the product it must be pretty good.

    So in other words don't visit the WSO section often - instead read what people are saying here (their sig links aside!) about the WSO's over there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mini Michael
    I'd like to thank you all, I am taking in and digesting what you are all saying
    and belive I've started on that rather long learing curve.
    It can seem steep at times when you are retired and gettin on abit, but as I've said before I'm not trying to get rich quick, just top up my pension and take a couple of extra holidays a year. Not to work full time but still enjoy my retirement.

    Cheers Mick
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  • Profile picture of the author Mini Michael
    Hi Artical_ghostwriter

    [Hi Mick btw, I always wanted to go to Hungary ]

    I reccomend it come and have a look, the southwest is off the beaten track but brill. The other half and I love it
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  • Profile picture of the author Riz
    Hi Mick,

    My suggestion to you would be to NOT invest in any wso's at the moment. If you do want to invest in your IM education then perhaps a membership at the war room would be a good idea.

    The first thing you should do is digest the information that is in the different sections of the forum. This will allow you to determine what area of IM you might want to target.

    As in any marketplace you will have legitimate offers and your not so legitimate offers. As a newbie to IM it might prove difficult to distinguish between the two.

    I definately would not take the advice of the "guru" who gave the webinar. Rehashing material is not the way to provide value and you are most likely to be known as someone providing low quality information.

    However, you can still provide services such as article writing services if you can write, logo design if you are good at graphics etc.

    Everyone has to start somewhere and the first place i suggest for you is to digest the information freely available at this forum.

    Wish you the best of luck in your education.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mini Michael
      Thanks Riz
      Another top tip, Glad I joined this forum before handing over loads of cash.
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  • Profile picture of the author caseycase
    Hey Michael, thanks for asking this question. I am new as well, and this has been helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Darren Hodgson
    Here's what I do. At firtst I wasted my money on stuff I didn't need but not any more.

    1. Look through the forum at everything. Spend a few hours on here looking at the different types of Internet Marketing available.

    online/offline
    sniper style sites
    adsence sited
    list building
    traffic building, free and paid

    The list goes on and on. Don't part with any cash until you have a good idea of the strategy you want to start with.

    2. Don't break form this strategy, just everything you read about on this forum works so stick to it until it works only them move onto something else.

    3. Join the War Room. There's tons and tons of good stuff on here. Always do a search of the War Room before buying a WSO. You may find you don't need to buy the WSO because you've found what you needed on the War Room.

    4. Sign upto the following link http://www.warriorplus.com/wso/alert/ This is a sticky thread at the top of the WSO section. He reviews all of the product and only promotes the best ones. Weeding out all of the rubbish for you.

    5. This is the clincher. Don't skip this step. Only buy what you need. If you have a problem, buy a WSO to fix it. Otherwise don't buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author PurePassion
    Thank you for this post. I had the very same question! Thanks all for your input
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  • Profile picture of the author Mini Michael
    WOW!!!
    Thanks everyone for the great input
    I now know that joining this forum was the right thing to do.
    Listening to the comments, reading the threads, and trying my best to follow them is the right thing to do.
    And if I was 40yrs younger, I'd probably be saying things like; This site Rocks Man, Cool or even Yea Dude, but I hope THANKS still covers it.

    Cheers Mick
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  • Profile picture of the author BigRichLane
    i would take a look at the owners profile and previous posts. also watch out for any crazy claim on how to make 10,532.46 dollars in 2 and a half days. numbers catch many newbies eyes and people know that so just a heads up.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    Hi Mini -

    Although it's not so easy to differentiate wheat from the chaff here, here are some tips that may help you as a newbie -

    - This forum is a community. People interact, provide information, share their experiences, etc. You can check in on the person's posts to assess his overall behavior. If they were asking basic newbie questions about one thing yesterday and today, all of a sudden they are a self proclaimed expert on that particular thing; not so good.

    - Check for reviews from respected members from this forum AND check for reviews from those who have bought and made money. That doesn't mean you'll make money following the system, but a LOT of WSOs are very solid in theory only to find out they don't work when you apply the methods, etc. This way, you'll be sure that the method isn't just some theory someone decided to put up as a WSO and works for someone else, too.

    - If it's too good to be true, it probably is. Check if there's a refund policy there and also check to the last pages (if there is more than one page) to see if the seller is still responding to the messages. Also, look for if someone has requested a refund (Why?) and if it was issued or not (Why?).

    - Finally, don't go on a WSO buying spree. It won't help you one bit. Read around, pick something that you resonate with (can be anything - offline marketing, site flipping, aff. marketing, w/e) and stick with it for a considerable amount of time. Buy WSOs only if it grows your business, in whatever area you've chosen.

    Too many unrelated WSOs will probably lead you to information overload and then, even if you take some action, and don't see success quick, you might hop over to another method, and the cycle will go on and on. It's better if you decide on one thing and stick to it.

    That's my advice.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Graham Wakefield
    Hi Mike,

    I think like most things, when your considering parting with your very hard earned, you must exercise due diligence. As has been said before in previous responses, look at feedback, and maybe put out a post asking for previous purchasers of the wso you are thinking of buying to give an honest opinion of the product. After all I hope this is what you would do if you came across a product you thought about buying outside the forum.

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  • Profile picture of the author darren16b
    Hi Mick,
    I'm new here too, but I've been online for 4 years. If I can give you any advise it would be this. Be cautious! There are sharks in the water. They promise the world and deliver nothing! Research everything, Google is your friend. Keep a tight hold on the purse strings. There are thousands of offers out there that look to good to be true, and they usually are. (to good to be true)
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Mick, here's a quick one for you...

      Read the reviews. If they talk about buying the product, it's a plus. A bigger plus is when people discuss specific results ("I've been using the system for two weeks and have 100 new subscribers") that are realistic.

      If the reviews are vague ("This is killer information") or center on the production quality of the product ("This report was a quick, easy read and the videos were well-done") it's a minus. Or a zero at best.

      If someone you respect says things like "I've been in this area for a long time, and the things Seller describes have worked for me for a long time", it's another plus.

      After you do your research, trust your gut.

      I'm not cheerleading, but if you have to spend your money on something, join the War Room. Incredible value, but it can be a lot like trying to take a drink from a fire hose...
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      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
        The truth of the matter is 99% of the wso's are garbage. You will find some gems in there but the vast majority of the information is just rehashed garbage by people who do not know how to make money online.

        So, you need to take your time a get involved in the community. Then you can start to gauge who to trust and who to not trust.

        But if you are dead set on buying a product now from the wso board here is what I would do...

        Go to their profile and then click on recent activity. Look at all the replied to threads and all the started threads. If 90% of their posts are either starting a wso thread or replying in a wso thread, stay away.

        Do your research and buy wisely. Even if the product looks good and is presented well, does not mean it is good information that will actually make you money.

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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi Mini Michael,

          How does a newbie tell the difference between a good WSO and a not so good one?
          It comes with experience. Even with experience it's still very difficult to judge, so don't kick yourself if you find that you're not a good judge of a product just from reading a salespage and observing the other things.

          The good news is that the best type of experience is by going a bit crazy and throwing out a whole bunch of different types of webpages, experimenting with tools and software, reverse engineering successful websites and analysing the results of your own experiments.

          The point I'm making above is that those things produce validated results - IE - you see those results with your own eyes.

          Even when you see the actual WSO product, you still don't know if any of it is particularly accurate.

          So you can approach things two ways -

          1. Less experimenting, more paying out to read stuff that isn't validated.

          2. More experimenting, less buying.

          1 is the hard way. 2 is the easier way, plus you're building a business at the same time and whatever you discover isn't necessarily common knowledge, therefore it may be more powerful plus you might be able to sell it later.

          If you take approach 2 you can then go back to the WSOs, with experience, which means -

          a) it's easier to look at related information (like the posts people make) and establish who provides good information and who is 'winging it' - therefore you buy less duds

          b) you can ignore a large majority of the WSOs that sell tinpot ideas with vague salespages and titles like 'make $XXX in x days/weeks/months' - instead you hone in on the exact information you need, usually revolving around a specific skillset for long term benefit, rather than fads

          c) you avoid buyer's remorse, refunding and duff info overload - which can be stupefying

          Conclusion - by all means gamble on a few WSOs to gain ideas. But in all truth, those are usually the type that will turn up on the next blog posts you read just after you have paid for the info.

          When I buy the occasional WSO, I think about it for some time, I have identified gaps in my knowledge that appear to be revealed in the product (usually in the bullet points), I am completely sure that I haven't already gained this knowledge but I also go off and see if I can find it first, I often have a few choice questions to ask before I buy (to ensure I get real value) - then if I am convinced that I want it, I buy it.

          I explain this to demonstrate just how damaging I think it is to my personal development to buy a product that isn't needed, doesn't deliver or causes a refund.

          I learnt this from experience. You pay a very high price for getting locked into a cycle of buying products that might 'give you a breakthrough'.

          On balance, the ones that have come close to providing a 'breakthrough' for me have been scripts/software that help me to build a specific type of website - nothing else. And in all honesty, the ones I'm thinking of weren't WSOs.

          But to emphasise an earlier point - 99% of my 'breakthroughs' came from my own research, testing, experiments, analysis etc.

          So what I am saying is that the difference between a good WSO or a bad one is not as important as the difference between a good WSO and a good self-discovery - the latter is way more valuable for a variety of reasons.

          By all means buy a WSO or a product from elsewhere - but never think that the only cost from making a mistake while buying is monetary. I would guess that the majority of people struggling are buying too many products and not doing enough doing. If you are observant, 'doing stuff' can produce 20 times better results than reading or trying to buy success - that particular product is not actually for sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ty Neal
    Looking at someone post count is good but what I look for is how well established a warrior is. Now if I see some good warrior like CDarkLOCK or Maria Gudelis and there are many more, then I know their WSO is worth getting.

    But I will say check to see how much value they have gave to the forum and Yes my WSO will be coming soon so be on the look out
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    You say you are a newbie, so if you go out and buy some product to tell you how to scavenge information from other products and put your own together, you are going to get caught by the questions that get asked in the WSO. You don't have any knowledge in the field to promote a product telling others how to make money, unless I missed something.

    A lot of people promote the Warrior Forum as a great place to advertise a product and you can make good money. And that is right for many. But that many typically have a reputation and have contributed before they start selling products. Post count means very little as it can be inflated by junk posts. But the time a person has been here can't be inflated nor can the thanks a person receives, so that is a decent indicator. But as was noted previously, check their profile and some of their posts. You can find them easily by clickiing on their name and you will get a drop down to select one of a few options that are self explanatory.

    Look for reviews, but beware of the reviews that are from folks that got the product for free. Not that all of them are bogus, but it is hard to give a bad review for a product you got for free. Typically a lot of comments and a fair amount of reviews from folks that say 'I just bought this and ...' should be taken seriously.

    Another way to find very good WSO's is to subscribe to WarriorPlus which is free. Five times a week they promote the WSO of the day, which is a very popular WSO that has shown to be well received. But be careful, you can go crazy spending your money.

    Hope that helps. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mini Michael
    I'm sure a couple of you guys are going to have a bit of a laugh at this.
    I've just read though this tread again trying to take it all in, and can't belive the value of the content. This has got to be a "most read" thread for all newbies, and I recomend it to all other newbies like me (is there a way to do that..Don't know)
    Thanks again people good job!!!
    Mick
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Avoid the WSO section like the plague, if you dont know where to start, use the search function up the top and look for starting tips for new guys and girls.

    Chris
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  • What im doing, as a noob, is just relying on the war room for now. I've never seen information so good.

    After I've gone through all i need to on there, I'll apply it first before considering wso's.

    Somebody gave some good advice previously, newbies always spend far too much money when they are starting off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Izesta
      I would add that you should search the seller's name and product name in sources other than WF.

      I have Googled many IMers and their products and found lots of helpful tidbits - the good and the bad.

      If you're a noob, be very aware of the "fake" review sites and the searches you will find with the word "scam" in the title.

      IMers use the word "scam" just to get your attention. Often, when you get to the actual site, they are nothing more than an affiliate for the product you were searching for telling you, "No, it's definitely not a scam. Buy it now."

      Hate those sites. I don't even click on them any more.

      Keep in mind too that there is no limit to the number of people who are superb marketers - they can write great promo, but the product might be total crap. Some of these guys can make you buy cracked eggs. You think you'll be able to cook a dish with that?

      All the best to you.
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