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"Myth" You Have To Post to Ezine 1st Before Your Blog - Becoming A Reality As of a New Practice

by David McAnulty
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This came up in another post and I thought it was important enough to bring in a main discussion.

I would like to bring the old "myth" that you have to post eZine Articles 1st before your own site and open it up for a new debate. I am doing this because a new method of blogging came on the scene that may make the "myth" posting to your blog first will cause eZine to reject your submission a reality.

While it is this is entirely true you can post to your own site before submitting to eZine Articles as long as the content that is posted belongs to you, there is an a new blogging method that may change this.

I personally ran into this issue recently that may turn this "myth" into a reality.

I had a post on my blog that I decided to use on eZine articles. So, I submitted it. A few days later eZine articles reported this post being displayed on another site and provided me with the url. Exact Words
" We would like to help you get this article approved but there is an issue which needs to be resolved first.
Your article does not adhere to the following Editorial Guideline, Section 1.b"


After some investigation, I was able to determine this was an autoblog site pulling feeds from my post without providing me credit as the author.

I explained the issue and provided multiple post urls illustrating the autoblog method this site was using. eZine Articles still rejected my post based on the fact that this site had the same content, but not did not state me as the source.

My point is, now with the use of autoblogging, scraping content from others without providing the correct recognition you may find yourself in the same scenario.

I wanted to warn all out their that if your content is posted 1st to your site and then scraped by an autoblog before approved by eZine your submission will get rejected your article regardsless of the proof you can provide.

FYI
#1st #blog #ezine #myth #post #practice #reality
  • Profile picture of the author Jonas Iri
    I believe that rewriting an article or making a "read more on my website" article works better for both conversions and being accepted at EZA. I never submit the articles on my websites to articles directories, mostly because it is very good content and I want it to be focused on my website.

    Also, if someone reads your article on EZA and clicks to your website, he won't read the exact same article all over again. So it is better to diversify a bit.

    I rewrite all my articles before sending them to EZA and never got an issue of any kind.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul wolfe
    Is there a way to stop 'scraper' sites from taking your content without the proper attribution? (I'm guessing no, but thought I would ask).
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by paul wolfe View Post

      Is there a way to stop 'scraper' sites from taking your content without the proper attribution? (I'm guessing no, but thought I would ask).
      Yes, actually. It's pretty easy. Just file a DMCA with their host. I've had success doing this with every article I've had ripped off.

      Instructions for doing that are here with a sample DMCA letter:

      http://domainingdiva.com/legal-issue...ipoff-artists/
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  • Profile picture of the author sabun
    Yes exactly, there's no point in writing the same quality articles for your own Blog/website and other article directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author ezine
    I knew that scraping content is bad for the article owner or website owner. But you can limit the feed from scraper, if it doesn't work, you can report Ezine articles, and negotiate with other website owner. You can report to google (because google hate autoblogs).
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      David,

      I've heard one or two comments to the effect that these systems didn't include/removed proper attribution. This is the first confirmed example I've seen from someone affected by it.

      Autoblogging is now on my radar.

      If anyone wants to speed up my learning curve by PMing me info on software that's used for this, especially if it's sold in the WSO section, I would very much appreciate it.

      I hate thieves.


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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        I've heard one or two comments to the effect that these systems didn't include/removed proper attribution. This is the first confirmed example I've seen from someone affected by it.
        Most autoblogging systems don't go out of their way to include attribution, and most blog authors don't either.

        On your average WP blog, the theme takes care of putting author's name and byline on the post.

        And in the RSS feed, you get bupkus.

        When you are a human being subscribed to that feed, you are usually subscribed so you can participate in the conversation - so even when you get the whole article, you want to read the comments, and you click on the link. All the attribution is there on the site, and besides, you knew who it was anyway.

        But when you are an autoblogger subscribed to that feed, you're subscribed to repost the information. So the lack of proper attribution in the feed is persisted to your autoblog. There's usually no nefarious scheme to remove the information, the information just plain isn't there in the first place - and there's no standard, reliable way for the autoblog software to go look for it.

        So in most cases, the lack of attribution is perfectly innocent. If anyone is to blame for it, the finger pretty much has to be pointed at the original author, who didn't include his attribution information in the RSS feed... but I think the accurate problem analysis has to be that RSS was designed for syndication, but is primarily being used for subscriptions. Generally, the original author simply doesn't understand that autoblogs are syndicating his content, let alone that he isn't giving them the attribution information.

        The ironic part is that when we level our guns at the autoblogs, we're looking squarely at the reason RSS was invented in the first place. This is what RSS is for: automatic republication of content. Not for you to read your favourite blogs in your inbox like email.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          After doing a little digging I came across something that may help for WordPress users. It is a plugin that will actually add the url location of the post in the actual footer of the post.
          Could you share this plug-in, please? I'd be interested in getting that one.

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          • Profile picture of the author David McAnulty
            Paul,

            After doing a little digging I came across something that may help for WordPress users. It is a plugin that will actually add the url location of the post in the actual footer of the post.

            This may be a temporary solution, but if someone does scrap the content using an autoblog then at least there is a direct reference link back to the original OP and of course a link.

            I see this being used as leverage against them.
            Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

            Could you share this plug-in, please? I'd be interested in getting that one.

            Thanks,
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            Sure Tina!

            Add Post Url
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Most autoblogging systems don't go out of their way to include attribution, and most blog authors don't either.
          I have a developer's license for autoblogged.com plugin. By default, it gives attribution and in their faqs, they warn strongly against not using that feature. The user has to go out of their way not to use it. It was the same with an older plugin I used, but hated WP-O-Matic. You had to uncheck it to remove attribution.

          As I said, I don't really recommend autoblogging if you want to build a valuable site, and I think that the plugins shouldn't have any option to uncheck attribution.

          I found a site in Google that had scraped my entire site without attribution and it was a very simple matter of getting the entire site of thousands of pages deindexed by Google. Google does not like autoblogs and that's a great reason not to use them, but I never had one complaint about it when I did use them the right way.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

            Out of interest, how did you do this. Is there some kind of offical process where you can submit a url to Google?

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            Yeah, it's simple. It's in Google Webmaster Tools
            https://www.google.com/webmasters/to...amreport?hl=en

            The site was completely gone from Google in two days.
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        • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
          When I was using YAAB and wp-o-matic, both of them included author attribution and a link back to the original article - IF you set them up to work that way. They didn't seem to have any trouble finding that info in the RSS feed. It's been a while since I set up any autoblogs so not sure if that is still the case.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        David,

        I've heard one or two comments to the effect that these systems didn't include/removed proper attribution. This is the first confirmed example I've seen from someone affected by it.

        Autoblogging is now on my radar.

        If anyone wants to speed up my learning curve by PMing me info on software that's used for this, especially if it's sold in the WSO section, I would very much appreciate it.

        I hate thieves.


        Paul
        There are numerous autoblogging plugins and I would say that most, if not all of them provide attribution the original source ....
        unless the person using it removes that attribution, which really is an abuse of the program and theft of people's content.

        I've used autoblogged.com before ... use to use it quite a bit with full attribution to the source and I never had anyone complain to me about it or ask me to remove the content because they enjoyed getting the backlinks to their sites.

        I have stopped using autoblogs altogether. I had a couple of autoblogs that had thousands of pages and Google began removing a lot of my pages from it's index. In addition, a lot of hosts will suspend your account due to the server load from chron jobs that these things use.

        Basically, there's nothing like fresh, unique content if you want good rankings, traffic and repeat visitors ... but I would say that it's the user that made the autoblog a device to steal content rather than the concept of autoblogging itself.
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        David,

        I've heard one or two comments to the effect that these systems didn't include/removed proper attribution. This is the first confirmed example I've seen from someone affected by it.

        Autoblogging is now on my radar.

        If anyone wants to speed up my learning curve by PMing me info on software that's used for this, especially if it's sold in the WSO section, I would very much appreciate it.

        I hate thieves.


        Paul
        The ones I've seen that do it usually have it as an "option" - although I can't think of any legitimate reason to have that "option".
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        • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
          Originally Posted by markquinn View Post

          The ones I've seen that do it usually have it as an "option" - although I can't think of any legitimate reason to have that "option".
          There's lots of legitimate reasons. For example, if I'm the originator of the content in the feed I'm republishing, and I don't want it to be attributed to the original site.

          Or if I'm using an aggregate feed that will credit the aggregate site instead of the source, and I want to override that with direct attribution.

          Just because you can't think of any doesn't mean there aren't any. Just means you don't think so good. I guess. You said it, not me.
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  • Profile picture of the author sijugk
    Some autoblogs scrap my blog content too. This happened right after I start using feedburner for my feeds. Anyway this autoblogs didn't affect me much as those blogs have less reputation compared to my blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Barber
    If we are stuck with having our blogs scraped, and not get the credit, can we put links into the articles back to our own site and at least get some links (all be it no doubt low value)? Or would Google see them as 'spam' and give no value or worse negative value?
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    • Profile picture of the author David McAnulty
      Originally Posted by Paul Barber View Post

      If we are stuck with having our blogs scraped, and not get the credit, can we put links into the articles back to our own site and at least get some links (all be it no doubt low value)? Or would Google see them as 'spam' and give no value or worse negative value?

      Paul,

      After doing a little digging I came across something that may help for WordPress users. It is a plugin that will actually add the url location of the post in the actual footer of the post.

      This may be a temporary solution, but if someone does scrap the content using an autoblog then at least there is a direct reference link back to the original OP and of course a link.

      I see this being used as leverage against them.
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    I always submit to eza first, quickly re write the first and last paragraph then submit to my blog. I have never had a problem
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Look at some of the plugins that help to put a copyright notice in your RSS feeds:
    wp plugin copyright in rss footer - Google Search
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    • Profile picture of the author markament
      If you use Wordpress for your blog, EZA has a plugin that allows you to submit the article to them at the same time as you publish to your blog. Great little time saver. Have been using it with 5 blogs already and no troubles with EZA.

      It's on the EZA site under the author tools section.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    IMO - never use the same articles on your own pages as you submit to article sites
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    I'm using the new EZA WP plugin - I can submit the post in a EZA-friendly
    format, then change the formatting and put in some controversial things
    EZA won't accept if I want.

    I haven't had problems with EZA rejecting articles submitted in this way
    for dupe content, seeing as EZA is gets the first submit... but I usually
    go ahead an publish/ping the blog itself within 15 minutes.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    I use this plugin to add any custom info I want to the footer of my WP article...

    Wordpress Plugin : Better Feed planetOzh
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    There are numerous plug-ins that will let you add copyright notices, attribution, headers/footers, etc to your rss feeds. Just search for them on wordpress.org. These will take care of most people who are scraping. Yes, there are BH'ers who write their scrapers (or understand how to use the more advance features to do this with the tools they use), and can easily strip your links out, but the bulk of the people scraping do not do this.

    You can also set up WP so it only publishes the excerpt, if you choose so.

    I agree with cdarklock: a lot of people are using rss for purposes other then it was meant for - syndication. I feel it it the responsibilty of site owners to either turn off rss, or set it up in such a way that anything that get's syndicated is done so with any and all citations they want in place, etc. I personaly make sure the feeds on my sites are exactly the way I want them - which includes backlinks to my site
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

      I personaly make sure the feeds on my sites are exactly the way I want them - which includes backlinks to my site
      Best thing to do right here. If you have a feed, go ahead and ASSUME it will get syndicated, because that's why it's there. If you don't want to be republished at all, turn it off. Otherwise ASSUME it will, and if it does, just take the time to make sure it's to your benefit.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    lol .... I once had someone set up a script for me that provided content that scrapers scraped and fed it content with my links in it. Once scraped, there was nothing they could do about it. That's called black*hatting the black*hatters.
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