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Oh I didn't know about that changes! Thanks for the update gr8tocre8!

Well, of course it will probably give a negative effect especially to you that you have those top list. So once we submit our article it would be very competitive. So I guess we really need to do our best in writing our effective articles. And I think that would be the best thing that we can do.

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

The only people it will hurt are those who abuse the system.

I say it's about time they did this. I'm all for it.
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- Lance K 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  The only people it will hurt are those who abuse the system.
  
  I thought you didn't like blanket statements, Steven. :p
  
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  Originally Posted by Lance K
  
  I thought you didn't like blanket statements, Steven. :p
  
  Yeah, blanket statements are bad.
  
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- Black Hat Cat Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  The only people it will hurt are those who abuse the system.
  
  I say it's about time they did this. I'm all for it.
  
  You heard it here first, people....if you have/had a most viewed article, it's only because you abused the system.
  
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Jeremy Kelsall

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

As I'm sure a lot of article marketers have noticed, yesterday Ezinearticles made some big tweaks. Their "Most Viewed" list got shortened down to top 10, from top 15. They then added another top 10 list, called "More Related EzineArticles" BEFORE the "Most Viewed" list.

In other words, at the bottom of any Ezinearticle, you now have to scroll through both the top 10 "Most recent articles" and top 10 "More related articles" before you get to Most Viewed. Since I have a lot of my articles in the top 1-3 of those lists, I'm guessing that this will affect my bottomline.

Looking at my analytics, there's already a 20% drop since yesterday, but it could be a fluke.

Would love to hear some opinions on this. Will this hurt marketers who target the Most Viewed list in the long run?

Hint: From what I can tell the "more related articles" are selected by the tags

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Tom E

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Hint: From what I can tell the "more related articles" are selected by the tags

Yep, I noticed the same thing. We just have to jump through a few more hoops with the new system. I think this could do the trick:
1. Write article slated for Most Viewed
2. Write a "shadow" article that features the same tags, etc, slated for "more related" list. Social bookmark that article/backlink it, so it will carry maximum weight to be the number one on "more related" list.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Yep, I noticed the same thing. We just have to jump through a few more hoops with the new system. I think this could do the trick:
1. Write article slated for Most Viewed
2. Write a "shadow" article that features the same tags, etc, slated for "more related" list. Social bookmark that article/backlink it, so it will carry maximum weight to be the number one on "more related" list.

I say keep it simple. Better to go big.

It's always better to rank for the SERPS, not the "Most Viewed" list for some article directory. What happens if EZA decides to get rid of the "Most Viewed" category all together? If you're ranking well on the SERPs for your keyword, you don't care if they dance the Hokey Pokey.

Use low-competition keywords with good traffic in your articles. Write good content. Then Backlink appropriately. Let it simmer and do its thing.

You should be good to go.

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enigmanic 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Hint: From what I can tell the "more related articles" are selected by the tags

Jeremy,
By tags, I assume you mean keyword/meta tags?
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mlord10

14 years ago

I don't think it will hurt if you adapt accordingly. I personally do not use getting listed in the "most-viewed" section as a part of my overall marketing strategy, although I have seen a slight influx in traffic when I get a few articles in there.

I think writing quality content will still win out, and like Jeremy said above, you can always just optimize your articles so they will get in the "related articles" section.

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Will Edwards

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Since I have a lot of my articles in the top 1-3 of those lists, I'm guessing that this will affect my bottomline.

I can't see how. If you are in the top 3, then you are still in the top 10 ergo - no effect.

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Tom E

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Will Edwards

I can't see how. If you are in the top 3, then you are still in the top 10 ergo - no effect.

Will

Will, the issue is that whereas before, readers only had to scroll through a "most recent" list to get to most Viewed, now they have to scroll through that one, plus the "more related" list to get to the Most Viewed. In other words, readers have to exert more effort, which generally means a drop in bottomline.

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T.I.M.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Will, the issue is that whereas before, readers only had to scroll through a "most recent" list to get to most Viewed, now they have to scroll through that one, plus the "more related" list to get to the Most Viewed. In other words, readers have to exert more effort, which generally means a drop in bottomline.

I'm scratching my head confused here. You can get on the most viewed list but you don't think you can get on the more related articles list as well :confused:

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Tom E 14 years ago

Originally Posted by T.I.M.

I'm scratching my head confused here. You can get on the most viewed list but you don't think you can get on the more related articles list as well :confused:

Getting on Most Viewed is just a matter of receiving enough views. Getting on the related list has no such requirement, so one has to get very creative.
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- T.I.M. 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by gr8tocre8
  
  Getting on Most Viewed is just a matter of receiving enough views. Getting on the related list has no such requirement, so one has to get very creative.
  
  I understand what you're saying totally man.
  
  Creative? You know your main KWs you're targeting. Read Jeremys' hint above again. Focus more in on what KWs you're targeting & ~voila~ you're related. Most views can be manipulated, EZA makes changes & there's still ways to do it.
  
  It's far less effort to make a "related" article than some of the time, effort & money people put in to getting most viewed.
  
  The biggest flaw I have in your complaint is you're acting like you're just a 1 trick pony. You can put in the effort & resources to get "views" but you can't put a little more effort on keywords & LSI to get into related category?
  
  C'mon man adapt & adjust, that's the game we play right? At the end of the day someone as aggressive as you are in marketing will probably clean up from these adaptations.
  
  I'm not trying to be a prick but I'm just saying you're whining about nothing.
  
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Will Edwards

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Will, the issue is that whereas before, readers only had to scroll through a "most recent" list to get to most Viewed, now they have to scroll through that one, plus the "more related" list to get to the Most Viewed. In other words, readers have to exert more effort, which generally means a drop in bottomline.

Thanks for you explanation, but I don't really buy it. The benefits of being on that list are not just for human visitors, but for linking, and search engines really don't mind scrolling down the page.

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enigmanic

14 years ago

I have one article on EZA that was making me $5-10 a day for about 4 months now. Suddenly yesterday and today, I made over $50 from that one article. I'm assuming it has to do with this change. If so, I like it!

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Tom E

14 years ago

Originally Posted by enigmanic

I have one article on EZA that was making me $5-10 a day for about 4 months now. Suddenly today, I made over $50 from that one article. I'm assuming it has to do with this change. If so, I like it!

Sounds like you got lucky with a Related Article placement. The new way they have it set up is making their Most Viewed list practically worthless to be on.

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enigmanic 14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Sounds like you got lucky with a Related Article placement. The new way they have it set up is making their Most Viewed list practically worthless to be on.

Yes, Im noticing that with some of my niches, I got lucky and I'm now getting double or triple the sales/conversions I usually get. But on the flip side, I have a couple of niches that completed dropped since I had articles in the 12-15th positions.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by enigmanic

I have one article on EZA that was making me $5-10 a day for about 4 months now. Suddenly yesterday and today, I made over $50 from that one article. I'm assuming it has to do with this change. If so, I like it!

it's sound good, but my articles just give me lest visitor for my site.

maybe I didn't know how to use and promote that..

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tyroneshum

14 years ago

No one will be hurt and yes we should be just adapting to its changes as like what Google always does.

Stick on relevant keywords and tags and that way, you'll be easily targeted again.

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Tom E

14 years ago

Originally Posted by T.I.M.

I understand what you're saying totally man.

Creative? You know your main KWs you're targeting. Read Jeremys' hint above again. Focus more in on what KWs you're targeting & ~voila~ you're related. Most views can be manipulated, EZA makes changes & there's still ways to do it.

It's far less effort to make a "related" article than some of the time, effort & money people put in to getting most viewed.

The biggest flaw I have in your complaint is you're acting like you're just a 1 trick pony. You can put in the effort & resources to get "views" but you can't put a little more effort on keywords & LSI to get into related category?

C'mon man adapt & adjust, that's the game we play right? At the end of the day someone as aggressive as you are in marketing will probably clean up from these adaptations.

I'm not trying to be a prick but I'm just saying you're whining about nothing.

Settle down dude. You clearly missed the part where I responded to Jeremy's comment, and added a creative suggestion for which he thanked me. I'll save you the scroll-through:

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Yep, I noticed the same thing. We just have to jump through a few more hoops with the new system. I think this could do the trick:
1. Write article slated for Most Viewed
2. Write a "shadow" article that features the same tags, etc, slated for "more related" list. Social bookmark that article/backlink it, so it will carry maximum weight to be the number one on "more related" list.

Next time, read the whole thread before making crass comments.

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yongjj

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

UPDATE: It's official, the "Most Viewed" list is, for all practical purposes, dead. Since Ezine implemented the change about a day and a half ago, my articles, which were all in the top 1-3 position on various Most Viewed lists, have gone from 150 click-throughs a day to under 30.

As I'm sure a lot of article marketers have noticed, yesterday Ezinearticles made some big tweaks. Their "Most Viewed" list got shortened down to top 10, from top 15. They then added another top 10 list, called "More Related EzineArticles" BEFORE the "Most Viewed" list.

In other words, at the bottom of any Ezinearticle, you now have to scroll through both the top 10 "Most recent articles" and top 10 "More related articles" before you get to Most Viewed. Since I have a lot of my articles in the top 1-3 of those lists, I'm guessing that this will affect my bottomline.

Looking at my analytics, there's already a 20% drop since yesterday, but it could be a fluke.

Would love to hear some opinions on this. Will this hurt marketers who target the Most Viewed list in the long run?

The answer is No - It won't affect your articles in terms of CTR. First of all, you need to know why we're using EzineArticles.com. Most article marketers are relying on EZA to rank high in most search engines including Google.

Most important thing is that you need to include the right keywords in your articles (including the title and the article body), so that it would be able to rank well in search engines.

Most readers would find your articles from search page results based on a relevant keywords. In short, if your articles rank well in search engines, more people will read your articles as it can increase views of your articles and the CTRs.

Jaden J.

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cyberws 14 years ago

Keep in mind that EZA regulates the amount of times you can use your keyword/keyword phrase in an article. So getting on the Most Related list isn't going to be done with keyword stuffing.
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MsMotivation1

14 years ago

Hmmm, I need to check into this to see what's going on with the articles.
Thanks for the headsup

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Tom E

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Will Edwards

Thanks for you explanation, but I don't really buy it. The benefits of being on that list are not just for human visitors, but for linking, and search engines really don't mind scrolling down the page.

Will

Will,
I agree, but the point of this thread was to decipher whether or not this new change will hurt the bottom line for articles that are on Most Viewed list. I wrote this post yesterday, and since then, the statistics speak for themselves: I went from an average around 150 click-throughs per day to half of that yesterday, and right now, I have zero clicks for today, whereas under the old system, I would have at least 40 by now.

Yes, you get link juice for the 60 days your article spends on that list, but for someone like me, who found a unique way of dominating Most Viewed lists, earning good money on it, it is a challenge, because that extra income source has now dried up.

So for that express purpose, Ezine's Most Viewed is dead.

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The answer is No - It won't affect your articles in terms of CTR. First of all, you need to know why we're using EzineArticles.com. Most article marketers are relying on EZA to rank high in most search engines including Google.

Most important thing is that you need to include the right keywords in your articles (including the title and the article body), so that it would be able to rank well in search engines.

Most readers would find your articles from search page results based on a relevant keywords. In short, if your articles rank well in search engines, more people will read your articles as it can increase views of your articles and the CTRs.

Jaden J.

See my answer above. I agree with what you say as well, but for profiting purely and directly from being on Most Viewed lists, it does hurt the bottom line.

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jtoelle

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Yes, you get link juice for the 60 days your article spends on that list, but for someone like me, who found a unique way of dominating Most Viewed lists, earning good money on it, it is a challenge, because that extra income source has now dried up.

So for that express purpose, Ezine's Most Viewed is dead.

How often does the Most Viewed list get updated, every 60 days? Doesn't appear to update in Real Time.

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Tom E 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jtoelle

How often does the Most Viewed list get updated, every 60 days? Doesn't appear to update in Real Time.

In my experience, it takes from 1-3 hours from the time you get enough views to get on it until your article shows up there.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

UPDATE: It's official, the "Most Viewed" list is, for all practical purposes, dead, for the purpose of receiving CTR from being on the list. Since Ezine implemented the change about a day and a half ago, my articles, which were all in the top 1-3 position on various Most Viewed lists, have gone from 150 click-throughs a day to under 30.

As I'm sure a lot of article marketers have noticed, yesterday Ezinearticles made some big tweaks. Their "Most Viewed" list got shortened down to top 10, from top 15. They then added another top 10 list, called "More Related EzineArticles" BEFORE the "Most Viewed" list.

In other words, at the bottom of any Ezinearticle, you now have to scroll through both the top 10 "Most recent articles" and top 10 "More related articles" before you get to Most Viewed. Since I have a lot of my articles in the top 1-3 of those lists, I'm guessing that this will affect my bottomline.

Looking at my analytics, there's already a 20% drop since yesterday, but it could be a fluke.

Would love to hear some opinions on this. Will this hurt marketers who target the Most Viewed list in the long run?

Although your clickthroughs may have dropped the real question is wwhat has your generated income done. If it has also dropped then there may be some cause for alarm but if your income has remained stable or dipped slightly then perhaps no real harm has been done.

The "Most Viewed" section was actually more valuable to use when it was without the time based element (most viewed in 120 days, then 90 days then 60 days).

However, what EZA discovered long ago was that the views for articles could be manipulated in order for someone to get their article in that status.

For me personally, I'm still of the mindset to write an article with the intent to get it ranked in the top 5 of Google's organic search engine rankings. If that objective is accomplished then 80% of the time the article will land in the most viewed section anyway due to the traffic it will receive.

Also, based on some research I was conducting today for the new "More Related" section I think it opens a door for us to do much better.

For example, one article I was investigating by a well known author had as its "More Related" articles additional articles by the same author - That's right, this author had all 10 spots of the "More Related" articles filled with his content - I think that is pretty huge!!!

Something else I've noticed is how dynamic that section is because everytime I click on a new article the "More Releated" articles seem to change.

Perhaps the only real articles hurt in this were the "Most Viewed" 11-15 slots which were lost in ths shuffle.

Right now, the best thing to do is focus on producing high quality articles that will rank in the top 5 on google and you will still get your page views.

Next objective is to figure out how to lock up all 10 slots for related articles that you own whenever someone visits one of your articles.

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Lance K

14 years ago

Tim, just thought I'd say thank you for the well thought out, informative, & cordial post. It's a breath of fresh air after seeing how some Warriors are interacting on other threads. Just hitting the "Thanks" button didn't seem like enough!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

Tim, just thought I'd say thank you for the well thought out, informative, & cordial post. It's a breath of fresh air after seeing how some Warriors are interacting on other threads. Just hitting the "Thanks" button didn't seem like enough!

Lance,
Appreciate the kind words - Sometimes we have to take a look at what is taking place and see how the changes can benefit us and move our o business forward.

Bit of a side story here but I remember when I was a a seminar and the main speaker was talking about this brand new product we would all be getting that basically scapped content and built a site for you (this was back when scrappers were the in thing).

I remember everyone was all ga-ga over the software except for me because I had no intentions of using it. Instead, I was asking questions on how it worked, what it looked for in the content it would scrape...etc

My mind was focused on finding out how I could get my own content (article submissions) scrapped by this software so that it would end up on the hundreds/thousands of websites that users of the product would make.

Naturally I was after the traffic it would generate through my resource boxes, the branding of my name that it would create though widespread exposure and the promotion of my articles.

The moral of that little story is we need to find ways to ethically harness the changes that take place so that they don't just benefit the entity responsible for the change but also benefit our own online business.

For every change that EZA has made over the years, the smart marketer has figured out how to increase the ROI on their own article marketing campaigns.

This new change is no different and I actually believe it will help those that figure out how to take advantage of it.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimG

Although your clickthroughs may have dropped the real question is wwhat has your generated income done. If it has also dropped then there may be some cause for alarm but if your income has remained stable or dipped slightly then perhaps no real harm has been done.

The "Most Viewed" section was actually more valuable to use when it was without the time based element (most viewed in 120 days, then 90 days then 60 days).

However, what EZA discovered long ago was that the views for articles could be manipulated in order for someone to get their article in that status.

For me personally, I'm still of the mindset to write an article with the intent to get it ranked in the top 5 of Google's organic search engine rankings. If that objective is accomplished then 80% of the time the article will land in the most viewed section anyway due to the traffic it will receive.

Also, based on some research I was conducting today for the new "More Related" section I think it opens a door for us to do much better.

For example, one article I was investigating by a well known author had as its "More Related" articles additional articles by the same author - That's right, this author had all 10 spots of the "More Related" articles filled with his content - I think that is pretty huge!!!

Something else I've noticed is how dynamic that section is because everytime I click on a new article the "More Releated" articles seem to change.

Perhaps the only real articles hurt in this were the "Most Viewed" 11-15 slots which were lost in ths shuffle.

Right now, the best thing to do is focus on producing high quality articles that will rank in the top 5 on google and you will still get your page views.

Next objective is to figure out how to lock up all 10 slots for related articles that you own whenever someone visits one of your articles.

Respectfully,
Tim

I'm right with you Tim. My brain has already gone wild with creativity. There is actually some really good money to be made on the "Related" list. All it takes is a little creativity, and taking action right now.

It's funny, when this change first happened, I tripped, but now I'm seeing opportunities left and right.

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TimG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

I'm right with you Tim. My brain has already gone wild with creativity. There is actually some really good money to be made on the "Related" list. All it takes is a little creativity, and taking action right now.

It's funny, when this change first happened, I tripped, but now I'm seeing opportunities left and right.

I feel the same way....definately believe there is an opportunity to capitalize on this recent change.

Glad to hear that you've recovered from your initial frustration and are finding some ways to benefit from this.

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14 years ago

Of course it will down the value of other articles, cause now i think other articles will get viewed only if person has put at least 50% same title in google for results.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

UPDATE: It's official, the "Most Viewed" list is, for all practical purposes, dead, for the purpose of receiving CTR from being on the list. Since Ezine implemented the change about a day and a half ago, my articles, which were all in the top 1-3 position on various Most Viewed lists, have gone from 150 click-throughs a day to under 30.

Ezine articles simply adjusted their service in response to how people were using and abusing it. It was a widely known gray hat technique of submitting an article and then paying users (or even not traffic) to click on the article for a few cents per click.

This pushed the article up into the most viewed list where it then gives a significant boost to organic traffic to the target URLs.

I am with Ezinearticles on this one. If Ezine articles is to stay an authority site then it has to dilute the effect of spammers. If not, a Google slap is inevitable.

I am not saying you were abusing their system - but you were getting traffic from a source that was being abused. And that is why they took action.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by terrapurus

Ezine articles simply adjusted their service in response to how people were using and abusing it. It was a widely known gray hat technique of submitting an article and then paying users (or even not traffic) to click on the article for a few cents per click.

This pushed the article up into the most viewed list where it then gives a significant boost to organic traffic to the target URLs.

I am with Ezinearticles on this one. If Ezine articles is to stay an authority site then it has to dilute the effect of spammers. If not, a Google slap is inevitable.

I am not saying you were abusing their system - but you were getting traffic from a source that was being abused. And that is why they took action.

Over the years I've watched as EZA has made numerous changes and each time everyone was extremely concerned about how it would effect their online business, specifically the article marketing portion of that business.

However, with nearly every change the marketers that were doing things on the up and up usually ended up flourishing in a more postive manner.

Those that spent time developing ways to abuse the system in place instead of building a solid business base were the marketers that felt the most pain.

This change is no different. In fact, it actually helps the folks that are doing things correctly.

Respectfully,
Tim

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shaggard

14 years ago

Excuse me for being a bit confused by your question. Your original question was

Would love to hear some opinions on this. Will this hurt marketers who target the Most Viewed list in the long run?

Then when someone offered a no response you said

See my answer above. I agree with what you say as well, but for profiting purely and directly from being on Most Viewed lists, it does hurt the bottom line.

So, I am thinking you are not really asking if it will effect your bottom line because you have already determined that is will. However, you are really trying to discover ways to over come the change.

I just want to clarify before I offer up an opinion.

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Tom E

14 years ago

Originally Posted by shaggard

Excuse me for being a bit confused by your question. Your original question was

Then when someone offered a no response you said

So, I am thinking you are not really asking if it will effect your bottom line because you have already determined that is will. However, you are really trying to discover ways to over come the change.

I just want to clarify before I offer up an opinion.

Shaggard, when I first started the thread, it was a spur of the moment thing, as I had just discovered the Ezine change. Then, relatively quick, I started doing research, and realized that there are ways to massively benefit from this change. Sorry for the confusion - my end of this thread metamorphosed.

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TheNewGuy2010

14 years ago

It'll hurt folks that try to build their business around having the most view articles.

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Tom E

14 years ago

So after a month or so after this change, my numbers are pretty much back to what they were before the change. In other words, people either got used to scrolling past the "more related articles" list to the Most Viewed, or enough of my articles got placed on the "more related" list to make up for the difference.

I'm back in Pleasantville - however, because the change had me tripped out, it made me go searching for additional ways to make money from articles, so now, as a result, I'm making more money than ever.

Conclusion: Change is good.

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