Are you the Tortoise or the Hare?

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Basically, when you purchase a brand new domain with no backlinks, do you build your site and then backlink the living hell out of it or do you try to drip backlinks slowly?

I know that different people do things differently for different reasons. Many are scared of the Google Sandbox which typically occurs when new domains get an unusally high amount of backlinks right out of the starting gate. The sandbox leads to the Google dance, which lasts for around 6 months, something else that a lot of people fear because they'd prefer to see steady rankings.

I've been testing both methods. So far I've noticed that the faster I build backlinks, the more traffic my site gets and the more sales I make. Meanwhile, others swear that the slower you go the better your site will rank in Google and thusly the more money you'll make from organic search traffic. I figure that either way, if you keep plugging at a site it will eventually rank somewhere steady. Might as well get a head start on traffic/sales.

Anyway, I was just curious as to how you guys work your sites? Slow and steady wins the race? Or the faster you go the faster you'll get there?
#hare #tortoise
  • Profile picture of the author Matt Morgan
    Tortoise or the Hare?
    Can I be neither and be a cute puppy instead?


    The faster you go, the faster your 'progression' increments will be.

    so you will progress up the ladder faster.

    Once you do this for one niche or one project then it becomes easier for the next time, and the next time you do it- it tends to be faster as you have done the process before, and have worked out what the mistakes are.

    Slow and steady will get your profits down the line, but you should speed up as you have done things more than once.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by Matt Morgan View Post

      Slow and steady will get your profits down the line, but you should speed up as you have done things more than once.
      I concur. I've just recently been testing the slow and steady method. But I don't really have much patience for it . . . especially when I see that site A using the fast method is getting between 25-50 uniques a day, while site B using the slow method is lucky to get 5.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    LOL, what a coincidence... I just registered "wildhareblogging.com" last week, and almost have the product finished.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      LOL, what a coincidence... I just registered "wildhareblogging.com" last week, and almost have the product finished.
      LOL You must be kidding.

      I couldn't help myself and looked it up. "Coming Soon: Cause baby when it's love if it's not rough it isn't fun."

      Sounds like something kinky to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

        Sounds like something kinky to me.
        I always put a Lady Gaga lyric under the "Coming Soon" graphic when the site's not ready yet, so if you just stumble across the site, you'll know it's one of mine.

        Hey, do you know how to wake up Lady Gaga?

        Poke her face.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          I always put a Lady Gaga lyric under the "Coming Soon" graphic when the site's not ready yet, so if you just stumble across the site, you'll know it's one of mine.

          Hey, do you know how to wake up Lady Gaga?

          Poke her face.
          I'm admittedly not a Lady Gaga fan, so I never would have recognized that was a lyric. I guess I just have a dirty mind.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

            I guess I just have a dirty mind.
            And that's why I love you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              And that's why I love you.
              Is this just me or is Caliban really trying to make out with the OP

              LOL, just sayin'
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              • Profile picture of the author Tinkerbell
                Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

                Is this just me or is Caliban really trying to make out with the OP

                LOL, just sayin'
                It's just you. Caliban's in lurrrrve with a Russian Zombie chick. No way he's hitting on the OP.
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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by Tinkerbell View Post

                  Caliban's in lurrrrve with a Russian Zombie chick. No way he's hitting on the OP.
                  Caliban also doesn't believe in monogamy.
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    • Profile picture of the author KathyK
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      LOL, what a coincidence... I just registered "wildhareblogging.com" last week, and almost have the product finished.
      lol - being a tortoise... maybe I should go hunt for a tortoiseblogging site - and we could race. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    It's more to do with a natural growth curve over time. You can start big, but then you have to get bigger. That's why it takes long to get sandboxed - it's when they check later and your backlinks came in a spike and dropped dead without leveling off and climbing. THAT makes it look like ZERO organic growth, only artificial.

    If you start with what you can comfortably maintain, eventually, when you get enough pages and traffic, you'll hit the tipping point and growth will happen on its own in addition to what you're doing. That looks totally natural when they check back later. It's not that Google minds seeing spikes in there - you're allowed to market.

    But if the site drops off to periods of nothing with only spikes, it's obvious the site has no value for users.

    If you want organic traffic, the site should have an organic growth pattern that climbs over time - in both content and backlinking.

    That's what I've been told by guys who are supposed to know, and what I've seen myself, although admittedly only on a couple of sites, built with the presumption that this is how things worked.

    Generally speaking, over time, Google wants to reward the sites who would be growing in traffic even without Google's help. Active, popular, well organized, authoritative, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    It really depends.

    I have tried backlinking slowly and I have also tried the "backlink the living hell out of it" method and to be honest the second one has worked better for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I'm the Tortoise - mainly because I'm lazy and hate the backlink building process so I can only do so much of it at once or it drives me crazy. But as they say - slow and steady wins the race!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      I'm the Tortoise - mainly because I'm lazy and hate the backlink building process so I can only do so much of it at once or it drives me crazy.
      Don't we all. Hooray for backlinking tools.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Denney
    Back linking the living hell out of your website could work against you since Google looks for consistency in new content on websites. If you have a whole bunch of back links go up at once, Google will notice. What you want to do is plan it out of a period of time so that way Google sees your website with something new each time they check it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author m.izzy15
    i love to be the tortoise..."slow and steady wins the race" ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author ninjawarrior
    So is this thread about tortoises and hares, backlink blitzes and buildups, or Caliban's love life and lustings? lol

    As for myself, I like mutant ninja turtles.

    Peace!
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by ninjawarrior View Post

      As for myself, I like mutant ninja turtles.
      Me too!



      Peace!
      Yeah, I'd like a piece too.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Me too!





        Yeah, I'd like a piece too.
        hahaha

        OMG I cannot stop laughing



        Dude you are fricking hilarious
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      • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Me too!





        Yeah, I'd like a piece too.

        Oh jeez.:p

        *cough* Well, getting back on subject, I guess I'll just keep going at it the fast way. At least I know I won't get deindexed. *knocks on wood*
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  • Profile picture of the author ninjawarrior
    LOL!!! Crazy Caliban dude! Pass me what you're smokin' man! Nyahahahaha!!!! LMAO!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    One picture of girls and this thread goes to hell..............focus grasshopper. Turtles always win. The long term implications of steady and slow beat the burst thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichLife
    I'm a tortoise, but I sold a bricks and mortar business before venturing into IM. The proceeds from the sale have afforded me the luxury of being able to focus on building a long term, sustainable business.

    I feel bad for the folks that fall into the, "I have to make $3,000 in the next two weeks or I'll be homeless", camp.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Do you really believe this stuff, Ofthemix, or are you just quoting what some other people believe? If it were true, it would be a very easy way for marketers effectively to disable their competitors' sites' SEO for 6 months, wouldn't it? Call me a skepchick, but that strongly suggests to me that it can't possibly be true.
      I don't think you understand where I'm coming from on the subject. Or perhaps I didn't make myself as clear as I could have.

      I know that massive backlinks to already established and aged domains doesn't strike a chord with Google. If they did, there would be a ton of theads about how to backstab your neighbor out of the #1 spot on Google.

      But I also know that the Google dance does happen to new domains that get a ton of backlinks at once . . . and by new domains, I mean that you register it on day one, and on day two you slam it with 200 backlinks. If ranking in Google was that easy, whoever did the most backlinking would reach #1 in Google in a matter of hours or days with the right software.

      I think Allen was talking about it in a thread, maybe a week or two ago, about how the Google dance takes place so that brand new trashy little splogs don't automatically hit #1 in Google just because IMers backlink the sh*t out of them. Unfortunately I don't bookmark every single thread that I read. Perhaps he'd be nice enough to chime in, or someone else can reference to that particular thread.
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