Can Aweber do this? ($50 to the person with a solution)

[chris_surfrider]

Hi guys,

I'm setting up a thank-you page for a product that is being sold as a joint-venture between me and someone else.

On the thank-you page we want to be collecting customer information (name, email) through a typical aweber form, but with one catch:

I want to know if it's possible to automatically subscribe someone to TWO different lists simultaneously from ONE signup.

I don't mean using Aweber's built-in functions for lists managed from within one account. What I'm talking about is subscribing members to two entirely different lists (in different accounts) from one action.

The customer will be clearly informed about the two lists they are joining, and the privacy policy will spell it out as well.

If anyone has done this, or knows how to do this - please let me know.

Thanks!

-Chris

P.S. Whoever posts a solution that works to this thread gets a $50 beer.

[JayXtreme]

Hi Chris..

I'm sorry to disappoint you dude.. but this isn't possible with AWeber's current form settings...

Peace

Jay

[Ron Douglas]

I doubt very seriously that Aweber would allow you to do that with two separate accounts. They are very strict when it comes to form manipulation. I'd be curious if someone has a solution for this using Aweber.

You could have it programmed where the data will go to the Aweber form and then kick back to another form. I actually do this on one of my sites to get the lead in both Aweber and the site's registration database. However, they will shut the form down if it is automatically populating another Aweber form. They require all opt ins to be manual as per their TOS.

[chris_surfrider]

Thanks for the help guys.

I sort of figured that, but I thought it may be possible.

It is legal and ethical (it's just co-reg), but it makes sense that Aweber would disallow it in their own terms.

Any ideas on implenting two subscriptions after purchase with minimal hassle?

$50 to the best, usable idea...

Thanks!

-Chris

[zeurois]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Hi Chris..

I'm sorry to disappoint you dude.. but this isn't possible with AWeber's current form settings...

Peace

Jay

It's possible with current html tricks

[getsmartt]

The only thing I could think of would be use the form to sign up for one list.
Tell your customers to be expecting 2 emails...
First one would be a confirmation for the first list.
Second one s(sent from the 1st list) would be a direct link (i.e. mailto) to the second list.

You would have to rely on your customers actually clicking the second email, but if it was "required" to get the product then they would have to (i.e. the confirmation of the second list gave them their logon or bonuses)

[Ken Strong]

Why don't you just have two separate opt-in forms on the same page? You just paste the HTML code for each list separately. Explain that you'd like them to sign up to both, and that there will be a separate confirmation email for each one.

[JayXtreme]

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

Thanks for the help guys.

I sort of figured that, but I thought it may be possible.

It is legal and ethical (it's just co-reg), but it makes sense that Aweber would disallow it in their own terms.

Any ideas on implenting two subscriptions after purchase with minimal hassle?

$50 to the best, usable idea...

Thanks!

-Chris

Chris...

It is easier (and safer, don't want AWeber bitchin!) to do if one of you uses AWeber and the other uses iContact.. then you can auto kick the e-mail into the iContact list with a HTML link bypass..

Peace

Jay

[guillopuyol]

Here is what you do...

You create a form in your page using your HTML editor. The form is not an AWeber form, but instead should trigger a script that sends two emails, one to each one of the lists IE: list1 @ aweber.com and list2 @ aweber.com

The script would have to parse the two fields, the from field should be set to your subscribers email address and the name field of course to their name...

Let me know if you need help.

Guillermo

EDIT:

I thought of another idea... I don't know if this one works but I don't see why it wouldn't.

Make the Confirmation email address of the first list the email address of the second one. So when the person signs up to the first list and confirms that triggers the second email confirmation to be sent.

[lakshaybehl]

I think there's an option somewhere to subscribe a person to list A when they join list B. I will just check and tell you.

UPDATE: Yes it is possible. I am posting an image below to let you know how...



I think its pretty self explanatory...

Aweber allows you to add a subscriber to two lists automatically when they subscribe to one of them.

-Lakshay

[getsmartt]

Originally Posted by guillopuyol

Here is what you do...

You create a form in your page using your HTML editor. The form is not an AWeber form, but instead should trigger a script that sends two emails, one to each one of the lists IE: list1 @ aweber.com and list2 @ aweber.com

The script would have to parse the two fields, the from field should be set to your subscribers email address and the name field of course to their name...

Let me know if you need help.

Guillermo

This violates the TOS of Aweber, they require that signups to email@list.com come from individual computers not your server.

***Begin aweber repsonse***

> <Are these messages being sent from your server or a third party shopping
> > cart?
> >
> > These messages are being sent from the amember script on my hosted server
> > after the customer has completed payment for their membership.

I'm afraid that this also would not be a permitted way
of adding leads to our service. We need to have an
auditable record showing a valid request for information
from you. Having the information sent from your own
server would not suffice in this sense.

[Darth Executor]

Originally Posted by getsmartt

This violates the TOS of Aweber, they require that signups to email@list.com come from individual computers not your server.

Send them through a proxy.

[Jose Delgado]

list settings > automation:

subscribe to list XXXX when user subscribes to XXXXX

[lakshaybehl]

I was the first one to provide you with the solution you were looking for... YAY! I win!

[getsmartt]

Originally Posted by Darth Executor

Send them through a proxy.

Still violates the TOS, you are just masking the vialation

[getsmartt]

Originally Posted by Jose Delgado

list settings > automation:

subscribe to list XXXX when user subscribes to XXXXX

Only works if both lists are on the same account the OP wanted to use two completely different accounts.

[Jose Delgado]

I was the first one to provide you with the solution you were looking for... YAY! I win!

CHEATER!

lol

just kidding.

[zeurois]

Wining solution:

page 1:
"enter your email here"
\/
aweber stores, sends the email
\/
user confirms
\/
thank you page = page 2:
"Please confirm your email"
User enters it again
\/
aweber stores in the second list
\/
user confirms again
\/
final thank you page



HTH,

[chris_surfrider]

I appreciate all the help guys.

I did some reading and here's what I pulled up from Aweber's TOS:

"Batching or in any way trying to script the addition of new subscribers to the web form subscribe methods is strictly forbidden. A script must not be used to auto submit a web form subscriber on behalf of a website visitor. The visitor who desires to subscribe to your list must be the one to activate that subscription process."

I'm not sure if this clause addresses my exact question, but it seems like something they'd frown upon.

I guess I could just deliver the product in two seperate "pieces", where two opt-ins are required to receive the full thing.

That seems annoying, though.

I understand the possibilities re: iContact, but I'd prefer to have all this centralized. Myself and my partner don't want the hassle of using a dedicated Aweber account, and it would be better if the customers were simply "split" between both of us, if you know what I mean.

This gives each of us our own path with the mailing lists, without having to potentially have issues with mailing schedules, etc.

Any ideas?

-Chris

P.S. Ron your idea seems like the best thing to do so far. I could have a protected download area that required account creation to access following the standard squeeze page setup...

[lakshaybehl]

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

I appreciate all the help guys.

I did some reading and here's what I pulled up from Aweber's TOS:

"Batching or in any way trying to script the addition of new subscribers to the web form subscribe methods is strictly forbidden. A script must not be used to auto submit a web form subscriber on behalf of a website visitor. The visitor who desires to subscribe to your list must be the one to activate that subscription process."

I'm not sure if this clause addresses my exact question, but it seems like something they'd frown upon.

I guess I could just deliver the product in two seperate "pieces", where two opt-ins are required to receive the full thing.

That seems annoying, though.

I understand the possibilities re: iContact, but I'd prefer to have all this centralized. Myself and my partner don't want the hassle of using a dedicated Aweber account, and it would be better if the customers were simply "split" between both of us, if you know what I mean.

This gives each of us our own path with the mailing lists, without having to potentially have issues with mailing schedules, etc.

Any ideas?

-Chris

P.S. Ron your idea seems like the best thing to do so far. I could have a protected download area that required account creation to access following the standard squeeze page setup...

Did you see my reply above?

[Jose Delgado]

why not put a two different forms in the page and tell the customer to fill out both of them?

just make the "submit" buttons open in a new window.

[chris_surfrider]

Lakshaybehl,

I did but it doesn't apply.

My partner and I are using seperate Aweber accounts. You can only apply list filters to lists within one account.

Thanks though

-Chris

[lakshaybehl]

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

Lakshaybehl,

I did but it doesn't apply.

My partner and I are using seperate Aweber accounts. You can only apply list filters to lists within one account.

Thanks though

-Chris

I didn't realize there were tweo different aweber accounts... Then it might be done through porogramming or something.

Good luck
Lakshay

[zeurois]

Chris, you saw my solution?

[chris_surfrider]

I think the part 1/part 2 idea is the only thing that will feasibly work here so as to spread subscriptions evenly and keep everyone (including aweber) happy.

If anyone has any other ideas, please shoot...

I'll wait a bit and then choose the response with the most relevant and useful info to award the $50.

Thanks so much

-Chris

P.S. Looking forward to any other ideas and implementation suggestions...

[ChristianM]

I'm not entirely familiar with aweber but I believe it uses GET variables (the ones at the end of the url e.g. http://example.com/signup.php?email=blah). If so then you could create your own form which when submitted went to your own script which opened 2 iframes with a size of 1px by 1px or something like that to the urls which aweber itself would submit to.

These iframes would be for the form sign-up urls so both lists would be signed up to at the same time.

[Dennis Cheesman]

Hello Chris,

You can also set it up so on an optin page where you will have one optin form, but tell them they will be subscribing to two newsletter as a bonus it will say step 1 of 3..

They fill out the first form and it takes them to the next page step 2 of 3 with their information already there in your partners form and the submit button says "click here to go to step 3 and get your product" or whatever..

It then takes them to the thankyou pag step 3 of 3..

Works perfectly and keeps them from having to fill out the forms 2 times.

I can help you set it up if you like?

Dennis

[chris_surfrider]

Chris, you saw my solution?

I did (both), but I can't do anything that would violate AW's TOS and risk account closure or other action.

And the other idea would only seem redundant and questionable to the customers.

The profitability of list-building is directly tied to your subscriber's trust in you, and the first impression is a HUGE factor in this.

Thanks,

-Chris

[lakshaybehl]

Chris!

Here's something that popped into my mind.

I usually require my customers to go to a squeeze page and then create their own membership username and password where they are again required to put in their email id.

There are some membership scripts that allow you to add a person to a list automatically as soon as they sign up with creating their user names and passwords. This would make the Part1/Part2 less conspicuos.

I know one of these membership management software, but you can get one for pennies too...

Hope this helps
Lakshay

[lakshaybehl]

Originally Posted by lakshaybehl

Chris!

Here's something that popped into my mind.

I usually require my customers to go to a squeeze page and then create their own membership username and password where they are again required to put in their email id.

There are some membership scripts that allow you to add a person to a list automatically as soon as they sign up with creating their user names and passwords. This would make the Part1/Part2 less conspicuos.

I know one of these membership management software, but you can get one for pennies too...

Hope this helps
Lakshay

And then finally add the GET variables thing to make sure they do not have to enter their info twice.

-Lakshay

[getsmartt]

I still think that putting a link to the second list, in the first email to be sent out from the first list is the cleanest and easiest solution. JMHO though

[zeurois]

Second solution:

Form is present on your page. User enters email and hits submit.

The form to list 1 is submitted within an invisible iframe while the other is waiting for the response. After the first one is submitted, the second one is triggered in the main page and then user is redirected to the thank you page.

But:
1. I think this way it's against their rules
2. User still have to click 2 links.

So it would be better if you "force" them optin to both to get access.

[chris_surfrider]

Originally Posted by Dennis Cheesman

Hello Chris,

You can also set it up so on an optin page where you will have one optin form, but tell them they will be subscribing to two newsletter as a bonus it will say step 1 of 3..

They fill out the first form and it takes them to the next page step 2 of 3 with their information already there in your partners form and the submit button says "click here to go to step 3 and get your product" or whatever..

It then takes them to the thankyou pag step 3 of 3..

Works perfectly and keeps them from having to fill out the forms 2 times.

I can help you set it up if you like?

Dennis

Now we're talking!

Awesome, Dennis.

Do you know off hand how to pre-populate the next web form on "step 2"?

This is great.

What I could do then is have the step 1 opt-in being for the updates list. This is a product where updates is actually part of the product, so that's good.

The step 2 list would be the actual customer registration and download link for the product.

This way both would receive equal subscriptions in a logical and efficient way.

Thanks so much - I think this one takes the cake...

-Chris

[zeurois]

You may tell them what's happening during the process like someone said here before:

step 1. step 2. step 3.

And I think aweber can post the name/email further to your thank you page (step2) so the user doesn't have to enter them again.

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

I did (both), but I can't do anything that would violate AW's TOS and risk account closure or other action.

And the other idea would only seem redundant and questionable to the customers.

The profitability of list-building is directly tied to your subscriber's trust in you, and the first impression is a HUGE factor in this.

Thanks,

-Chris

[Dennis Cheesman]

Yes Chris.. I can set it up for you or send you the code?

Just PM me..

Or I can create 3 pages and set it all up and you just add your Aweber IDs..


I can also personalize if for you like so:

Thank you Chris, you are almost finished...

And so on..

Dennis

[Jose Delgado]

Originally Posted by Dennis Cheesman

Yes Chris.. I can set it up for you or send you the code?

Just PM me..

Or I can create 3 pages and set it all up and you just add your Aweber IDs..


I can also personalize if for you like so:

Thank you Chris, you are almost finished...

And so on..

Dennsi

Dennsi
.
.

[zeurois]

Here's how to:

How Do I Display Subscribers' Names On My Thank You Page? :: AWeber Knowledge Base

[chris_surfrider]

I still think that putting a link to the second list, in the first email to be sent out from the first list is the cleanest and easiest solution. JMHO though

In a perfect world, yes.

In reality there would be a substantial drop in subscriptions from list 1 to list 2.

More steps = More work for them = Less conversion

Also, combine this inevitible pattern with factors such as email deliverability and Aweber confirmation delays (yes, this happens frequently) and whichever partner had the second list would be losing big time.

Thanks for the suggestion - it is appreciated - but I can confidently say that from my own experience in doing things similar to this in the past, 9 times out of 10 the simple, easy process will trump a multi-step process.

Thanks!

-Chris

[Floyd Fisher]

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

Hi guys,

I'm setting up a thank-you page for a product that is being sold as a joint-venture between me and someone else.

On the thank-you page we want to be collecting customer information (name, email) through a typical aweber form, but with one catch:

I want to know if it's possible to automatically subscribe someone to TWO different lists simultaneously from ONE signup.

I don't mean using Aweber's built-in functions for lists managed from within one account. What I'm talking about is subscribing members to two entirely different lists (in different accounts) from one action.

The customer will be clearly informed about the two lists they are joining, and the privacy policy will spell it out as well.

If anyone has done this, or knows how to do this - please let me know.

Thanks!

-Chris

P.S. Whoever posts a solution that works to this thread gets a $50 beer.

Chris:

Yes, but it could cause massive trouble for you. People won't realize they are being subscribed to two at the same time, and start screaming spam.

I won't even tell you how to do that, because I don't want to be held responsible for any liabilities that could happen from doing it. And that is besides the fact such a scheme is against the TOS of Aweber.

Their rules on this:

1. You can only use an Aweber subscribe form
2. You can only put such a form on your website only

This is from discussions with Aweber. I wish they would change their TOS to reflect that.

[chris_surfrider]

Hi Dennis - sending you a PM now...

[Floyd Fisher]

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

Thanks for the help guys.

I sort of figured that, but I thought it may be possible.

It is legal and ethical (it's just co-reg), but it makes sense that Aweber would disallow it in their own terms.

Any ideas on implenting two subscriptions after purchase with minimal hassle?

$50 to the best, usable idea...

Thanks!

-Chris

Check my sig.

[Dennis Cheesman]

Ok Chris.. I'll be looking for it..

Dennis


Watch it Jose

Dennsi

[innocent07]

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

I think the part 1/part 2 idea is the only thing that will feasibly work here so as to spread subscriptions evenly and keep everyone (including aweber) happy.

If anyone has any other ideas, please shoot...

I'll wait a bit and then choose the response with the most relevant and useful info to award the $50.

Thanks so much

-Chris

P.S. Looking forward to any other ideas and implementation suggestions...

Here is somthing which I did (when i needed a similar thing needed to do Chris)- and it worked quite well

------------------------------------------------------------
How about having 2 Seperate pages

PAGE 1 = Contains the Opt in for 'optin one'
V
(after they opt in to 'optin one' = They get redirect to PAGE 2)
V
PAGE 2= Has the optin for 'optin two'
V

= They have opted in to Both lists

(so they have to optin to list 2..) - with your instructions.
------------------------------------------------------------

You can also encorporate subscription 2 into their 1st vertification email if you want.

Although this required 2 seperate web pages it is a simple solution.

Like i said, i have used before(although a minority of the subscribers DON't subscribe to list 2, but that was a small number)- A simple idea/solution, which work best. pm if you require more info

[Making Millions]

1.solution is to collect email for list one before they order
and collect email again on the thank you page.

2. the 3 step thank you mentioned ealier
-Thank you page collects email for one list
-auto load step two collects email for second list
-Third step Thank YOu- once confirmed to both list access to product

3. Or this might be best for comnfirmation on names to both list
- once they sign-up for one list you export it to excel - then send to partner 2 and have them import- this will cause a new confirmation and then access can be given to product

Ultimately I think it would be easiest to collect names before purchase with optin one going to optin two then to paymentn page.

Sales page with optin 1 - this goes to optin 2 - then this goes to payment page-then let them have access to product immediately.

Many options- curious which one you choose and how it works.

Keep us informed
-MM

[richpeck]

Don't want to seem like someone peddling illegaility here but...

Why dont u have 1 form and they submit that - but why don't you then use Javascript to populate a hidden form (the other list) and then use javascript command to submit the invisible form when the visible one is submitted?

You're basically using one ligitmate form and using some real-time scripts to "mirror" it... submitting them to two seperate lists. It's kind of like if you have "Billing Address is same as Devilvery Address" on shopping carts - but without showing the other form.

Aweber won't know otherwise because it's just a standard web form submit.

[Dennis Cheesman]

Aweber won't know otherwise because it's just a standard web form submit.

No but the subscriber will when they are getting two confirmation emails from two lists..

And all it would take is someone reporting him to get his account shut down.

Dennis

[richpeck]

Originally Posted by Dennis Cheesman

No but the subscriber will when they are getting two confirmation emails from two lists..

And all it would take is someone reporting him to get his account shut down.

Dennis

Yes that's true but I think Chris said they knew they were being subscribed to two lists - he just has to say that they're submitting one form for both lists I guess.

[Dennis Cheesman]

Yes that's true but I think Chris said they knew they were being subscribed to two lists - he just has to say that they're submitting one form for both lists I guess.

Yes, but we all KNOW how some people are

They will subscribe and then forget and report you ... It is just inevitable!

Dennis

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by lakshaybehl

I was the first one to provide you with the solution you were looking for... YAY! I win!

No... he wants it actionable on two different accounts... It's easy to do this within the one account but they want to know how to do it from one Aweber account to another Or even a 3rd party account to Aweber, etc...

Mike Hill

[Robert Oliver]

Chris,

On your optin page direct them to click on (Step1) link #1 for bonus #1
Then clickon (Step2) link #2 to get bonus #2 which would go to the other Aweber account
Perhaps make a note that Step#2 goes to your partner offer. Remind them to not
forget both steps.

Robert