Well-known Guru stole my image. What do I do?

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A well-known guru stole an image from one of my websites.
Note, this is a multi-millionaire major dude household name IM guru.

Like many of us here, over the years I've experienced
having my images, ebooks, adcopy, and other i.p. (intellectual property)
getting infringed upon; in fact I even experienced being "site jacked".
(where someone cloned my entire website, hosted it on
their server, and was even selling an illegal copy of my ebook!)

Normally in these cases, I serve DMCA notice on the criminal's ISP
via fax and Fedex. Under Federal DMCA law, if the accused person
cannot show proof of ownership for the intellectual property
within 24 hours, then he must immediately remove the infringing content.
If he does not, then the ISP is obligated by law to cancel their account.
(Note, if the ISP does not comply, then they become legally liable
for the stolen materials--which is why ISPs are quick to cancel
a measly $19 hosting account rather than deal with legal issues)


Onwards.

I had communicated with this guru in the past.
So as a professional courtesy I decided to attempt to communicate
with him rather than serve his ISP with DMCA notice.
And I'm not the type of person who would advertise his
name + this issue on any forum or elsewhere.
So here's what I did:
  1. Thru WF, I PM'd the guru and his JV partner

  2. The JV partner replied, explaining that he had nothing to do
    with the image.

  3. Next I PM'ed the guru and JV partner once again,
    saying that because the issue has nothing to do with the JV partner,
    I wanted to keep the JV partner out of the loop and communicate
    directly with the guru.

  4. Still no reply from the guru.

  5. The JV partner replied, claiming he spoke with
    the guru and it turns out that the guru's in-house graphic guy
    "accidentally" acquired the my image, and the jv partner
    then offered me free stuff or $100 as a concession.
    The jv partner (not the guru) apologized for the incident.
    EDIT:
    Clarification: The $100 was not offered by the guru or his employees.
    It was from an uninvolved third-party and is not a valid offer.
    Besides, I'm not wanting any money, from anyone here.


  6. I replied back to the JV partner, explaining once again
    that the issue is between myself and the guru
    therefore I desire to communicate with the guru directly.

  7. I made further attempts to contact the guru but no reply.


So here's my issue. While the guru is responsible
for the crime, he chooses to communicate with me thru a third party.
(i.e. his jv partner, who is not his employee) The jv partner keeps
telling me how the guru is a "stand up guy", however I would
think that if he was, he'd immediately get in touch with me.
The guru should apologize directly, not thru a third party.
Even if he's busy with a launch, he need to take a time out for this.

Having someone steal your stuff is one thing, but having them
use a third party to apologize is 100 times the insult.

Ironically, the concession offered to me by the jv partner
was a free copy of their product **or** $100 cash.
Note the "or". While I couldn't really care about getting
either the free stuff or the money, the fact that there was
indeed an "or" to the offer is yet another insult. (hey, it's an
e-product, so why not offer cash *and* the e-product?)
EDIT:
Clarification: The $100 was not offered by the guru or his employees.
It was from an uninvolved third-party and is not a valid offer.
Besides, I'm not wanting any money, from anyone here.



If I were a multi-millionaire and discovered that one of my employees
stole from someone, I'd personally jump on the phone with the victim,
apologize, and then do something nice for him.

I PM'ed the guru several times, plus sent a message via his
personal personal double secret direct contact method.

The guru still hasn't gotten in touch with me.

And I'm not sure what to do next.

EDIT:

I want to stay on good terms with him, and further do not
have any desire to disrupt his launch, which of course
would hurt all jv partners who are invested in doing emailings
promoting his launch.

And I do not want money or free product. This is a matter of principle.
I want the apology from him. Not from a third party talking on his behalf.
(if the kid next door punched your kid, would you let him accept an apology
from some other kid down the block apologizing on his behalf? No way!)


EDIT:

My image is embedded in his video, on his salespage that is 100% video.
It's not simply an image that can quickly be "pulled down". Having to edit
that video to remove my image would probably disrupt his launch.
And that is not my intention.
#dmca #guru #image #stole #stolen #wellknown
  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    What makes you so sure that this "guru" is indeed a multi-millionaire? And why does it matter?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

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    The guru still hasn't gotten in touch with me.

    And I'm not sure what to do next.
    What do you mean you don't know what to do?

    He already said it was wrong.

    He offered you a concession.

    The only thing you can do is make sure he removed your image. I don't see why you need to talk to him, personally.

    I am sure if he was a no name person you wouldn't be making such a show of him contacting you personally to get it fixed.

    The only fixing he needs to do is take down the image. He doesn't need to talk to you.
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      Post a link, I'd love to see it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

        Post a link, I'd love to see it.
        It is against the rules to call anyone out. Posting a link will certainly do that. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          It is against the rules to call anyone out. Posting a link will certainly do that. :rolleyes:
          Oh, okay. That's silly but whatever.
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    • Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      I am sure if he was a no name person you wouldn't be making such a show of him contacting you personally to get it fixed.
      Thomas,

      Whether it's with a guru or no-namer, I don't work out legal issues
      with a third party. That would be stupid.

      Secondly, there's no reason for you to respond so aggressively.
      If you yourself are a millionaire guru, then sorry man
      if I have offended you or anyone else in the club.

      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      He offered you a concession.
      Like I said, concession was offered by a third-party
      (supposedly on his behalf) which is worthless.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post


        Like I said, concession was offered by a third-party
        (supposedly on his behalf) which is worthless.
        Wait a second, was it $100 or was it worthless? Because I'm pretty sure I could get any image out there or one similar for less than $100.

        I'd be grateful for the $100. I have images I've created spread all over the internet. Once they get out there they're hard to keep track of. (And not worth it really) People will come along and steal them, and sell them. Then other innocent people come along and buy what they think is a legit image for sale. It's not worth it really to get all worked up about it.
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        • .
          This update to the OP will address a few comments above:

          Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

          EDIT:

          I want to stay on good terms with him, and further do not
          have any desire to disrupt his launch, which of course
          would hurt all jv partners who are invested in doing emailings
          promoting his launch.

          And I do not want money or free product. This is a matter of principle.
          I want the apology from him. Not from a third party talking on his behalf.
          (if the kid next door punched your kid, would you let him accept an apology
          from some other kid down the block apologizing on his behalf? No way!)


          EDIT:

          My image is embedded in his video, on his salespage that is 100% video.
          It's not simply an image that can quickly be "pulled down". Having to edit
          that video to remove my image would probably disrupt his launch.
          And that is not my intention.
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          • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
            Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

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            This update to the OP will address a few comments above:

            So its not extortion? Well that's good then, it is possible though that the Guru is avoiding you for the same reason a few have come in here and assumed you were trying to spin the blunder into a big payday.

            Sadly, the pursuit of principle on the internet is a TOTAL waste of valuable time more often then not.

            Nonetheless, the video needs to come down and be edited. In this case the $100 seems to be a way to buy your permission to use the image.

            I don't blame you for wanting the product owner to address you personally since in reality when a project or service fails it isn't the employees who get held responsible, its the manager or owner.
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          • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
            Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

            And I do not want money or free product. This is a matter of principle.
            I want the apology from him. Not from a third party talking on his behalf.
            (if the kid next door punched your kid, would you let him accept an apology
            from some other kid down the block apologizing on his behalf? No way!)
            It seems to me that the only way this is going to happen is for you to go ahead and send the takedown notice. I don't think you are being given a choice in the matter. This might not keep it on good terms with him, but can you really feel that you are "on good terms" if you feel that you've been run over by someone?

            I disagree that you should take the bone being thrown to you, especially since it doesn't meet your criteria. You're in control of the situation, you just have to take action.
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      • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
        Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

        Thomas,

        Whether it's with a guru or no-namer, I don't work out legal issues
        with a third party. That would be stupid.

        Like I said, concession was offered by a third-party
        (supposedly on his behalf) which is worthless.
        If a $100 bill is worthless, then this recession is worse than I thought!

        You were clearly wronged here. Using your image was indeed wrong, but the wrong has been righted and you were offered an apology and money. The $100 is a lot more than you would get if you sued the guy. In court you have to prove damages. I can't see how you would have any damages over this matter.
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        • Originally Posted by White Dove Creative

          Like I said, concession was offered by a third-party
          (supposedly on his behalf) which is worthless.
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          Wait a second, was it $100 or was it worthless?
          Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

          If a $100 bill is worthless, then this recession is worse than I thought!
          Gary and Brian,

          You guys misunderstood my statement.
          Offers from an uninvolved third party are, legally, worthless.
          (I wasn't saying that 100 bucks is worthless!)
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          • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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            Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

            Gary and Brian,

            You guys misunderstood my statement.
            Offers from an uninvolved third party are, legally, worthless.
            But you're not really interested in the legal aspect, are you? If you were you wouldn't be hell-bent over getting a personal apology, you would actually be pursuing legal avenues.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    I don't know what the tone of your PMs were, but if I were you, I would have approached him with a very friendly tone and said, "since you used my images without asking, I guess you wouldn't mind sending my offer to you giant list, would you?"

    Clearly, you chose a different route.
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    • Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

      If this is your normal operating procedure, why change it just because the guy is well known?

      Martin
      Martin,
      Per the OP I had communicated with him in the past
      and felt I had a relationship with him, so as a professional
      courtesy I attempted to contact him directly.


      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      I don't know what the tone of your PMs were, but if I were you, I would have approached him with a very friendly tone and said, "since you used my images without asking, I guess you wouldn't mind sending my offer to you giant list, would you?"

      Clearly, you chose a different route.
      Hey Brian, nice to hear from you again man.
      Hope all is well. See how I'm talking to you now?
      That's the tone I took with him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
    Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

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    A well-known guru stole an image from one of my websites.
    Note, this is a multi-millionaire major dude household name IM guru.

    Normally in these cases, I serve DMCA notice on the criminal's ISP
    via fax and Fedex.
    If this is your normal operating procedure, why change it just because the guy is well known?

    Martin
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

      If this is your normal operating procedure, why change it just because the guy is well known?

      Martin
      You can't milk the cow after you send the DMCA notice, Martin. When will you learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Personally I would give the benefit of the doubt to GURU, and figure someone working for GURU made a mistake or simply thought it was OK. "Stealing" is a big leap here, and since you used it in the WF, I imagine that you used it in your communication with him. I don't think it's cool to assume such.

      I think you got a more than fair offer as a normal course of business and should simply just take the money. Whether it came from GURU or someone in his organization, is really being nit-picky. Not everyone get's to talk directly to the POTUS either.... you know what I mean?

      Not only that, in your promotions, you can now say something like, this was so effective, GURU used it on his sales page!!

      I say take your freebie gift, and get onto something more valuable, cause there is no upside to cornering GURU about something he probably knew nothing about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mollysbrother
    I SAID I was SORRY. Jeez...

    Oh. I'm not the "household name?" Oh...

    (BTW, sorry. I know this is serious...but the sarcastic me came out. Hope it resolves itself.)
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    The millionaire guru just called me personally and asked me to apologize to you and to let you know he would really like to see you heal from the incident so that you can move on with your life and not have to spend time writing new posts regarding the incident. Feel better already?
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  • Profile picture of the author JustKid
    Why are we on the OP for complaining about his image getting stolen. Granted instead of doing this "professional courtesy" thing just follow your procedure and file a DMCA notice and your done.
    Just because someone is a self proclaimed "guru" doesn't excuse them from stealing content.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnyeo90
    You should just accept the $100 bucks compensation and make sure the images being deleted,
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  • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
    Accept any of the offers he's presented and move on with your life. And i agree with Marty S here:
    Not only that, in your promotions, you can now say something like, this was so effective, GURU used it on his sales page!!
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    • Originally Posted by Jude.A View Post

      Accept any of the offers he's presented and move on with your life.
      Jude,

      There hasn't been any offers from the guru
      or from any of his employees.

      (and fyi I do not want moolah -- please re-read bottom of OP)
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  • Profile picture of the author LondonPaladin
    You have three choices.

    You can pursue legal action and make him take down the image. That is your legal right.

    You can accept the concession and let bygones by bygones. You can even pressure them for more concessions.

    You can just let it go.

    What you don't want to do is post about it on a random internet forum looking for advice from people who don't fully understand your situation. It's just gonna increase your frustration. It sucks that the "guru" won't talk to you. But that's how it is. Flaming him won't really accomplish anything. Just choose from your 3 choices.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    The Net is unbelievable. Where else can you steal and then simply offer a $100 brbie and "be done with you"?

    OP I gree. Completley arrogant of the guru.

    Others who are telling him to "forget move on..." I wonder! On the Net stealing looks part and parcel of the game.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi,

      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      Where else can you steal and then simply offer a $100 brbie and "be done with you"?
      The houses of parliament?

      Sorry, couldn't resist.

      Hi White Dove Creative,

      The guru still hasn't gotten in touch with me.

      And I'm not sure what to do next.
      With all of your caveats and edits to the OP, I'm not sure I understand what you're expecting to happen by asking here.

      You're obviously experienced and seem to have a whole host of reasons why you won't or can't do this, that or the other.

      Is this one of those threads where the only reason it is here is to pressure the person in question to do what you want them to do, by escalating it from private communication to a public issue without names being mentioned?

      If so, I presume that no one's advice here is going to make any difference.

      As mentioned by others, you've always got the option of just doing what you would normally do - DMCA.
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  • Originally Posted by LondonPaladin View Post

    You have three choices.
    London,

    From your reply it appears you didn't read the entire OP
    or the comments in this thread.

    For a quick response to your posting,
    scroll up and read the blue and green text
    at the bottom of the OP post.

    Also I noticed that you replied to this thread
    and two other threads just 3 minutes apart.
    (I don't think it's humanly possible to read those threads
    that quickly, plus write your replies, all in that short time)

    My advice, try slowing down and reading first, then you can
    make intelligent posts that better contribute to the threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    I'm also of the opinion that you're making a lot out of this.

    You mention that he is a millionaire guru several times, why would you do this unless you're fixated on the fact that he has plenty of money and you'd like to see some of it. If I'm wrong, then I'm afraid that's because of the way you worded your OP. (A lot of other people have drawn the same conclusion).

    Yes I agree it wouldn't have hurt him to offer you a personal apology, yes it wouldn't have hurt him (or his partner) to offer you both the $100 and the product from his new launch.

    But the way I see it, they are not trying to get away from the fact that it's your image, they are trying to right a wrong by offering you a very substantial amount of money for the privelege of using it. Kudos to you for designing something that is obviously worthwhile.

    Mistakes do happen and they are trying to rectify theirs, personally I think you need to take their generous offer and move on.

    Kim

    Edit

    No one is condoning theft, it sounds as though these people are trying to rectify a mistake made by making a very generous offer for one image

    Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

    The Net is unbelievable. Where else can you steal and then simply offer a $100 brbie and "be done with you"?

    OP I gree. Completley arrogant of the guru.

    Others who are telling him to "forget move on..." I wonder! On the Net stealing looks part and parcel of the game.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      No one is condoning theft, it sounds as though these people are trying to rectify a mistake made by making a very generous offer for one image
      Kim,

      Although it might seem generous to you and I, I bet the guru broke out into a cold sweat thinking,

      "OMG! That picture could have belonged to Getty Images "

      EXCESS COPYRIGHT: Watching Getty Images Watching Canadians


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    • Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      you're making a lot out of this.
      Kim,

      It took me about 5 minutes to write the OP
      so pls don't imply that I'm wasting time
      or making a lot out of an illegal incident.

      As I sated, it's all about principal.
      An apology needs to me made.
      That's it.


      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      unless you're fixated on the fact that he has
      plenty of money and you'd like to see some of it.
      Kim with all due respect, before accusing me of being
      a gold digger, read the OP in it's entirety.

      I was clear that I do not want moolah or free product.
      Just want to see the offender take responsibility
      and apologize.


      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      personally I think you need to take their generous offer and move on.
      As stated throughout this thread,
      there have not been any offers made by guru or his employees.
      And, I'm not interested in receiving any products or money.

      The offender needs to apologize.
      This is a matter of principal, nothing else.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanEagle
    My advice? Move on and cut it as a loss. There isn't much you can do without costing you a lot of $$$
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    I can see it might be annoying but if a web designer at
    Virgin used one of your images do you think Richard
    Branson is gonna get in a 1 to 1 with you about it ?

    The equivalent here is that Bransons secretary spoke
    to Branson, he told her to politely apologize to you and
    offer you compensation.

    You ain't happy because Branson didn't make you a
    personal call.

    This seems to me like if they offered you $5000, you
    wouldn't be posting it here and that the issue isn't
    "the issue" more the lack of serious compensation.

    You are quite within your rights to demand it's removed
    if they fail to so , you'll have to make a a call as to
    whether it's worth the hassle to go legal, which I can
    guarantee you it won't be unless you have deep pockets
    and a ton of time, and ultimately you'll probably end
    up with $100 and an apology.

    I get it sucks, but you've little to gain from this bar
    releasing some pressure from your vent.
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    • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

      The equivalent here is that Bransons secretary spoke
      to Branson, he told her to politely apologize to you and
      offer you compensation.
      The person who contacted him was not an employee of the company.
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

        No, it was not an employee of the firm that contacted him.
        Analagies often aren't perfect but semantics don't diminish
        their intent to assist.

        Whether it was his employee, his JV partner, his Mum or
        his best mate. The JV partner spoke to the guru and
        got his best offer on the subject.

        The point being that often multi millionaires tend to not
        get bogged down in apologizing for their web designers.

        It's not personal, the OP will have to decide whether it's
        worth making a song and dance over.
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        • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
          Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

          Analagies often aren't perfect but semantics don't diminish
          their intent to assist.
          Well, I can't help but empathize with the OP here in feeling just a little bit slighted. Especially after the raging copy-protection thread we had a week or so ago. Some people were pretty upset about their ebooks being stolen.

          The OP's work was taken without permission, much in the same way someone would download an ebook without paying for it. Only to stretch the (admittedly imperfect ) analogy further, the thief was "reselling" the work (i.e. publicly displaying it in a for-profit endeavor). The guru's cavalier attitude (seemingly matched by some of the posters here) is what ticked off the OP. I'd be upset too.
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          • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
            Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

            Well, I can't help but empathize with the OP here in feeling just a little bit slighted. .
            I empathize with him entirely as well.

            I would be seriously miffed.

            Doesn't change my viewpoint on what I feel is best for the
            OP to do in the real world.
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            • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
              Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

              Doesn't change my viewpoint on what I feel is best for the
              OP to do in the real world.
              Oh that. But this is the Warrior Forum! Everything should be argued on pure principle! If we wanted to actually make money we wouldn't be up until all hours cracking jokes about genitalia.
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        • Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

          Whether it was his employee, his JV partner, his Mum or
          his best mate. The JV partner spoke to the guru and
          got his best offer on the subject.
          Simon, with all due respect I totally disagree
          and think you are 180 backwards on this issue.

          Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

          The point being that often multi millionaires tend to not
          get bogged down in apologizing for their web designers.
          Also disagree. He could have asked his web designer to
          contact me, or anyone in his company.
          And you're implying that because someone is a
          multi-millionaire that they cannot take 20 seconds
          out of their life to write an email. Or to delegate.

          As far as your implication that a company owner
          should not have to take responsibility for his employees,
          that's entirely incorrect. I don't know whether you have
          experience with owning I company with employees,
          but based on your comments I would venture to say not.
          The company I sold had 11 employees, and internally,
          they were responsible for their actions. But as for
          my company's outside communication with our clients,
          I accepted 100% responsibility for anything that originated
          from my company, from any of my employees.
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          • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
            Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

            Simon, with all due respect I totally disagree
            and think you are 180 backwards on this issue.



            Also disagree. He could have asked his web designer to
            contact me, or anyone in his company.
            And you're implying that because someone is a
            multi-millionaire that they cannot take 20 seconds
            out of their life to write an email. Or to delegate.

            As far as your implication that a company owner
            should not have to take responsibility for his employees,
            that's entirely incorrect. I don't know whether you have
            experience with owning I company with employees,
            but based on your comments I would venture to say not.
            The company I sold had 11 employees, and internally,
            they were responsible for their actions. But as for
            my company's outside communication with our clients,
            I accepted 100% responsibility for anything that originated
            from my company, from any of my employees.
            I'm telling you reality, you can find a way to make
            your thoughts match what you want to hear back
            all day long.

            Good luck with whatever you're trying to achieve.
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      • .
        Before making future posts, keep this in mind....

        1. I do not want moolah out of this.

        2. The guru did not make any type of offer.

        3. The $100 offer was from an uninvolved third-party and is not a valid offer.

        4. This is a matter of principal. And I'd be happy with an apology.

        5. I don't give a rat's @ss whether the apology comes from guru himself
        or one of this employees.

        6. Having an uninvolved third-party make an apology is unacceptable.
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

          .

          3. The $100 offer was from an uninvolved third-party and is not a valid offer.

          4. This is a matter of principal. And I'd be happy with an apology.

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          It's valid, you're choosing to say it isn't. It's quite often how
          business is done, via a connected 3rd party.

          4 - Fair enough, and i think you should get one, but life sucks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

      I get it sucks, but you've little to gain from this bar
      releasing some pressure from your vent.
      Simon,

      There's a lesson in this for all of us. If we want to move forward we have to let go of things that are holding us back/distracting us.

      Delete all the crap WSO's/freebies on your hard drive that you're never going to read.

      Get rid of the 50 'great' domains that you're never going to develop.

      Accept that people will do you wrong and be grateful you still have your health, your brain and your computer.

      (Still working on the first two )


      Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    I'm not a legal expert, but in my opinion
    the "Guru" might be well advised not to
    communicate directly with you before
    any legal action is taken.

    Any "apology" or offer of compensation
    could very easily be used against him in
    litigation.

    Just a different perspective.

    John
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    • Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      I'm not a legal expert, but in my opinion
      the "Guru" might be well advised not to
      communicate directly with you before
      any legal action is taken.

      Any "apology" or offer of compensation
      could very easily be used against him in
      litigation.
      John,

      You hit the nail on the head.
      All along I had a gut feeling the guru wasn't responding
      because of some sort of legal liability.


      To everyone,

      Okay then, I now have closure on this issue.

      I have no intent on going dmca and disrupting the guru's launch.
      And I don't want any money from guru or anyone.
      And obviously an apology is never going to happen.
      (for the reasons John mentions above)

      The guru took the image, and that's the end of that.

      So my action plan is to do nothing.

      Thanks everyone. Issue resolved.

      So no need to make further posts on this issue : - )
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    It's a tricky situation and I agree that I really dislike how some people (i.e. apparently this guru, or at least his graphics designer) think that theft is okay online and doesn't warrant an apology.

    But at the same time, I'm tempted to point out that - unfortunately - you can't extract an apology from someone.

    I'd personally accept the cash or e-product and move on. I know it's a matter of principle re: the apology, although it's not like you can pin him down and extract an apology.

    Good luck with whatever you choose to do though. I'd personally take the cash and then boycott the guru in the future if he doesn't apologise, but I can see where you are coming from.
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