What Do You Think Of WSOs?

[Andyhenry]

Since the WSO section has always been a busy place here and the last few years it seems to have turned into a rampant advertising place for anyone with a new product I wanted to see what you think about what you're seeing in there now.

I don't run WSOs very often but I see some members who are constantly releasing things and I've spoken offline to members who make a living just from this forum, so I know there are different perspectives on this subject and why guess when I can just ask.

So what do you think about that section of the forum now?

[lazavas]

andy

i actually like them, i will only buy off a few people though, but i have learnt so much from them, im sure there are a lot that are no good, but the ones i have purchased i have been more than happy with

cheers

[GeorgR.]

WSOs are the greatest thing since sliced bread, not only for the creator of the WSO, but also for someone looking for new ideas to make $.

I just wish the frequency of WSO posting would be a little lower, i wish the warrior forum would rather be some "secret" only a few elites know about

[Andyhenry]

I know what you mean George, unless you go there every day you can miss some nice offers.

There are certain people who I routinely buy whatever they come out with but sometimes their offer has expired before I even see the WSO.

I remember when there were only a couple a day and they were always excellent. Anything offered was very special.

There are so many people posting any little piece of information as a 'secret' that you can pay good money for something that was covered in more depth in a free thread sometimes.

It just makes it harder to spot the gems. That's why I generally only buy from people I know now.

[Kevin Riley]

Same as anywhere, there's good and bad.

[Steve Iser]

There's been 3 really good & useful WSOs I got this year.

Most look like crap.

Steve

[Kyle Tully]

As a seller it's great. There is no faster & cheaper way to test ideas, copy angles, and offers -- at least in the IM niche. Easy way to get testimonials and a brilliant way to get paid to develop your products. Not to mention pull in a few grand in a matter of hours.

As a buyer it's a bit of a minefield and you've got to dig to find the good stuff.

There is a LOT of crap. People trying to make a quick buck, people that don't make a cent outside the forum selling their "how to" stuff back and forth to each other, and products thrown together in minutes that should never have seen the light of day.

There are also some AWESOME bargains, and cutting-edge strategies often appear here months before they hit the mainstream.

[ShayRockhold]

I have been very selective in what I have purchased. I have only purchased 3 WSO's, but they have all been good.

I have learned a lot from the WF and from the WSOs I have purchased.

[Bev Clement]

There are good and bad things about the WSO.

Too many drive by people who come and put up what looks like a scam.

Others who keep their wso posted forever, by bumping it. When does it stop being special offer, if it runs for almost 12 months?

Others who think that the scarity is the way to go, but the offer never closes.

People who say that they make xxxx a month, but you'll find that it is purely from WSO and when asked they haven't tried to sell outside the forum. That gives people a false hope because they haven't tested the market outside to know if people will buy.

A lot of people running wso's would have a problem if the area was closed because their income would dry up and they wouldn't know what to do next.

Bev

[PRandContent]

Maybe there should be stricter rules or guidelines before a WSO can be approved for posting. Just a thought.

[Farhan Ahmad]

Originally Posted by PRandContent

Maybe there should be stricter rules or guidelines before a WSO can be approved for posting. Just a thought.

If i'm not mistaken, there is already one. Or I didn't get what you mean.

[Ron Kerr]

I am someone who regularly visits the WSO section and have purchased a fair bit over time but am buying less and less; I think it is because of the constant bumping of threads and the ridiculous claims. It is amazing the number of warriors who have discovered the way to make a squillion dollars in five minutes but are still thoughtful enough to share their wisdom with us.

It is a shame for those with great offers as they can get lost amongst the clutter. I guess we just have to look long and hard to pick put the gems, but that is true of life I suppose.

WSO's are great ... I have browsed and noticed some crappy stuff but I have one purchased 1 WSO's so far. Mostly I post my products and make money from the WSO's.

My products are not the crappy ones ..lol (although would be nice if more people got in the christmas mood)

James

[Shannon Herod]

It is really a valid section of the forum in my opinion. Many careers have been made there.

Unfortunately, the quality of posts are not as high as they used to be.

Before the bumping rule came into effect the WSO form was a much more valuable place for the seller and for the consumer. The reason I say that is people actually treated it as a special offer forum.

The offers were there as special offers. Now, people create products just so they can list them on the special offer forum and never make a real attempt at selling them at a higher price.

In my opinion, that really is not a special offer. But, this is not my forum and to each their own.

I really like the section of the forum and find it to be a valuable asset, but unfortunately the quality of the products is not as high as it used to be.

Now, that is not to say that there are not quality products in that forum. There are absolute gems to be found there.

I have actually purchased quite a few WSO's this year and have been happy with every purchase I made.

But, you have to be able to filter through the bad products.

Mostly, I look at the reputation of the poster, and how long they have been at the forum.

You can pretty easily tell if someone is just a drive-by poster looking to make a buck in that forum.

Just look at their history and what they are there to do. Once you do that you can get a pretty good feel on what their objective actually is.

Anyway, my point is it is a valid section of the forum and very valuable. But, just like everywhere you need to look out for the bad stuff

Regards,

Shannon

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

So what do you think about that section of the forum now?

It would be a lot better if it actually stayed in that section.
There are far too many being lamely advertised on the main forum.

[Lance K]

I wouldn't mind seeing it segmented.


There could be sections for...

• traffic generation
• services
• specialty info. (wordpress, joomla, squidoo, etc.)
• copywriting
• scripts
• Themes/PlugIns
• Ghostwriting
• PLR Articles
• etc.

Some of them could probably be combined (i.e. all "writing"). It would help filter through all the offers that aren't relevant to what you're looking for. Perhaps it would be too much of a hassle. But it would be nice.

[Christie Love]

I've learned to be very careful at what I purchase from the WSO forum. When I first came to this forum, and didn't know any better, I purchased a few WSO's. Needless to say, I was very disappointed at what I got.

I think the WSO forum is overpowered by people just trying to make a quick buck. Well, the majority of them anyway. I wish each WSO was carefully reviewed before being submitted to the members.

Some sales letters are so good that you feel obligated to buy the darn product.

These days, I am selective about which WSO I purchase. Consequently, before I put out a WSO, I do my best to be sure I am providing great value to my buyer. That's what the WSO forum is all about, right?

Hey, if someone can make a living selling WSO's, more power to them. I think that's great. I plan to expand my business selling WSO's also, while always keeping quality to the buyer in mind.

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by Christie Love

I wish each WSO was carefully reviewed before being submitted to the members.

I hear that, unfortunately the reality of that is massive and I imagine not feasable.

It's a good place to learn about how to sell as it acts as a microcosm of the marketplace on a larger scale.

Some people really struggle to make a sale from their WSOs so I imagine a lot of the extreme claims are just desperate attempts at sales.

It would be interesting to map out who has commented on other peoples WSOs and see if there's some common users cross-promoting each others (or using multiple accounts) to fake social proof.

Andy

[Mary Gallivan]

Hi

I like the WSO section. I don't use it each time I visit the forum but have purchased some very good bargains there.

Similar to anywhere else, there's good and bad offers so be selective.

Mary

[Lance K]

As an aside...

I rarely just go to the WSO forum. Maybe once in ten visits. When I do purchase a WSO it is almost always a direct result of an appealing sig file.

[Martin Luxton]

In the past I visited the WSO forum a couple of times a day. Now it's more like 2 or 3 times a week and I buy much less often than before. I very seldom even go for the free offers which before I would at least check out.

I think it's partly a visual thing.

With the longer pages and all the formatting people are using to get attention it reminds me of the out of control email inbox I used to have.
When I see the same person with two WSOs together it looks spammy/desperate and it puts me off (it could be the greatest offer in the world by a top marketer - this is just my gut reaction to what I see).

Martin

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

In the past I visited the WSO forum a couple of times a day. Now it's more like 2 or 3 times a week and I buy much less often than before. I very seldom even go for the free offers which before I would at least check out.

I think it's partly a visual thing.

With the longer pages and all the formatting people are using to get attention it reminds me of the out of control email inbox I used to have.
When I see the same person with two WSOs together it looks spammy/desperate and it puts me off (it could be the greatest offer in the world by a top marketer - this is just my gut reaction to what I see).

Martin

Same for me Martin.

[Thomas Belknap]

The WSO section is simply the greatest. It can launch your business. I am not talking about the sales you make on the forum itself, which can be a lot. I am talking about the networking that happens after the sale is made. I have met some nice people. Not only that but some nice contacts for products that I will be launching soon. Some of these people have some nice size lists. I never searched them out. I concentrated on making quality products. They purchased and then we started to develop business relationships.


I really think the true power behind this forum as well as the wso section are the JV partners and affiliates you can meet. I have yet to see a forum that has so many successful people that routinely visit. They may not post but they are there. It was funny because a well known "Guru" purchased a product of mine and emailed me. It looked like he had only 1 post under his name. I had to ask him if he was really the person I thought he was or someone was playing a joke. Turned out he was.

[David_Thompson]

WSO section it is something we all need it's a great place to test your
conversion and jump starting your sales funnel but a few people are using
it as their personal toilet for peddling crap and it is spilling over into the
main forum as well...

--David

[Jason Pereira]

I've only bought five WSOs, and have been pleasantly surprised. As long as you take a careful look, don't overspend and make sure it comes with a solid MBG if you don't like it, there are no problems. One WSO idea along made me around $2,000, which is not at all bad for the $17 it cost.

I've not visited it too much since the changeover, but when I have there seems to be more rubbish than not. Of course, due diligence and you shouldn't get 'tricked' into buying them.

[AndrewCavanagh]

There is some really great stuff on the WSO forum.

There's also some garbage.

But I think if you're careful about who you buy from the gems make the WSO forum very worthwhile indeed.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[Sirius Lin]

I actually liked that the WSOs were moderated and had to be approved before they could be posted. Sure, it's extra work for Allen and his guys, but it did weed out a lot of the less-than-worthwhile stuff.

~ Sirius

[JohnHuizinga]

Originally Posted by Lance K

As an aside...

I rarely just go to the WSO forum. Maybe once in ten visits. When I do purchase a WSO it is almost always a direct result of an appealing sig file.

The only WSOs I've checked out have been ones where I've noticed the Warriors spending time in this forum offering value. If I see one Warrior offering value time and time again then I may follow the link(s) in their sig.

[Glenn Newsome]

I am an admitted WSO addict. I have spent thousands in the WSO section. I will also admit that I do not buy as much anymore since the bumping came into play.
In the past you would know the new WSO's right away and could easily keep up with them. Even the ones I didn't buy, I would at least read the sales letter to gain info on the product and/or the warrior member.
There were WSO's that were re-run at a later date and you could spot those also, but not like now where some seem to be never-ending.
I still visit the section each and every time I come to the forum. But now I am more likely to just scan the titles as compared to actually reading each one.
I still like the WSO section and think that there is valuable info to be had. You just have to be more selective.
You can learn so much by just reading the section. Copyrighting, new methods, new sites to be on the look out for, valuable services offered by members, what may be the hot item, service or niche soon, up and coming successful members, customer service do's and dont's, digital delivery scripts and processes (was it good or bad), same with membership scripts and finally does the WSO deliver as promised.
I also must say that I think I liked it a bit more when your sales letter itself actually sold the WSO, as opposed to the now added graphics.
I continue to be addicted--but do not feel the need to click the buy button as much.
Just my 2 cents,
Glenn

[John Piteo]

I think the WSO section is great, but I wish there could be some type of rating system too, like ebay. I've purchased many products there that I was completely satisfied there and most at a VERY good price.

Unfortunately, anywhere you find marketers you will find overly hyped to extremely hyped sales letters. This makes it difficult for the people who honestly want to tell it like it is. So when I want to buy a WSO I look at some of the previous posts of the seller to determine if they know what they are talking about. Earning claims and screen shots don't mean anything to me.

John P

[DavidO]

It's the same as any other product... they range from excellent to terrible. But unlike with most products many WSOs are genuine bargains.

Of course, I've noticed an increasing number of hyped and repeated offers so "buyer beware" always applies.

There also seems to be a "clique" of regulars who make most of the sales while new names find it harder to break in. My first and only WSO got no attention at all. But this also applies to most other marketplaces. It's no different here.

[Kay King]

I see the 30 post limit being abused quite often with someone new posting thirty 2-4 word posts and then running a WSO.

The quality is not what it used to be - but that's not surprising as the WF is now a public forum. There are still gems there but imperative to use due diligence when buying.

I've often thought a time limit (3 months?) might be better as you would have some record of the seller's participation here over time to help make a purchase decision.

WSO's aren't a problem for me as I buy only from a few people - but new members may not realize the products advertised have not been "vetted" or that a refund policy is only as good as the seller who guarantees it.

kay

[John Piteo]

You know, if you ran the exact same poll for Internet marketing products that are for sale all over the Web, I think you would get the same results with the addition of one important detail.

"Ok, but too much regurgitated stuff and exaggerated claims." "and OVERPRICED!"

John P

[Frank Donovan]

The WSO forum is a valuable asset and should be cherished by all Warriors.

It is a privilege of membership.

I would like to see the following restrictions:

1) Only members with a minimum of 50 posts AND three months' membership should be qualified to post a WSO.

2) WSOs should last for a maximum of one month.

3) The WSO forum should only be accessible to signed-in members.



Frank

[TeamGlobal]

The WSO section is a great place for buyers and sellers.

Of course, it goes without saying that some WSO offers will be better than others and that there will be some flat out scammers in the WSO section from time to time. But isn't this true of any marketplace?

Have I ever been burned by a WSO seller? Yes, and on more than one occassion. That, of course, doesn't negate the fact that I've purchased many exceptional products and services from WSO sellers of high integrity.

Fortunately for us there will always be great WSO's that will save us time, grief, and money.

All The Best,


Tony

[Wakunahum]

I've got some pretty good stuff for $5 to $7.

But I have only bought things from members who have been around for more than a year or so who contribute regularly to the community.

I've paid $20+ for things elsewhere with far less quality information.

[James Schramko]

As a seller - I love the WSO section.

I only put something up there a few times a year but is a great launch pad for new products.

As a buyer - I really like seeing what other poeple are doing and it is a great test bed for marketing techniques. You can aquire a new tactic or resource for a small investment.

[J Elizabeth Dize]

I love the WSO section and have gotten some amazing, business-changing products there.

I have also bought from some very respected members and been disappointed I have bought from other members (think Steve. W) and been thrilled

As a seller, there are good days and bad days. I just did a quick check on WarriorPlus and saw that I've run 11 WSO's total in the last year. I'd have to say that about 70% have been hugely successful, and I can't thank Allen enough for the opportunity. It's a great addition to my other business models- especially on the service end of things.

[Bruce NewMedia]

Overall I like the WSO forum. If you are very selective you can get some great deals on some excellent products. However, there is a lot of semi-junk on there as well.

The downsides: I do think there's a lot of abuse by sellers of the rules. People do make a quick 30+ plus posts in a couple of days and then BAM! - they post a WSO.

Lots of WSO's are nothing but IDEAS, except they are presented as BUSINESSES. Big difference. I often feel as if the wso seller has never even done the business he's talking about. It's like selling a 'book report' about what COULD happen.

Income claims are often hyped to absurd lengths. Say a seller has earned $100 one day on Ebay or something. You then see a WSO claiming $3,000 per month or $36, 000 per Year!!! .... working only an hour a day!

All just speculative. No proof.

So, there are good and bad points to WSO's.
Thanks to Andy Henry for posting this survey!
______
Bruce

[milan]

I've found some absolute gems there (very very low priced!). Those in the true WSO spirit are rare but they changed the way I think and do stuff forever and I'm more than happy to say WSO is an amazing section.

However, most of the WSO's are bad. You need to filter out a lot of things.

[Loren Woirhaye]

I avoid it mostly because I have a bunch I already bought that
I haven't made use of. I bought a few dogs but in general
I've been pleased.

It's like being a kid in a candy store - so many Warriors have such
great ideas and at such bargains!

[JayXtreme]

What's a wusso?...

Can it make teh monisez?... is it the adasinse?...



Just playin.. I'm too sieve headed to release a product of my own, but it's great to grab some fellow warriors products.... and see what is going on in the industry....

Peace

Jay

[Sleaklight]

I like the WSO's but I do feel too many are posted and if you don't check that forum specifically, you lose out on many good ones that don't get replies from other warriors. I also notice that many lesser known warriors have their WSO's overlooked and are often better offers than other WSO's that are talked and replied to more. (like my wso in my signature!!!)

[admin]

One thing I see is that the members themselves are not policing the WSO forum correctly.

If you see someone with 30 posts and a WSO with a $100 price tag and NO way of seeing who they are, no domain name, funny sounding username...then why don't you bluntly ask them who they are?

Where is your site?

You don't have to be an asshole to do this. You don't have to destroy a WSO to do this. You simply tell them "hey I'm interested in this but the fact that I can't see you or even see a web site you have makes me nervous, can you show me something"

Something like that...

There are actually 'many' things the members themselves could do to put the death touch on those who come here thinking they will rip off a few members.

Scammers have big signs up just waving about in the wind for all to see:

* Low Post Count
* No Domain
* Obvious Fake Name
* Accepting Orders Through Plimus.com

And on and on. Now, you do have to be careful, not all people with a low post count are scammers. Some of them actually have the best WSO's. But those will let you know who they are...