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I hear the word over and over again like it's the be-all and end-all of marketing. Find yourself a niche. Target a niche. You can't sell unless you have a niche. It's starting to sound like one of those catch phrases people use when they want to sound like they know what they're talking about.

But I really have to wonder exactly what people mean by this.

I've always thought of a niche as a smaller section of a market. For example, office equipment is a market. Office equipment for companies with 5 or less employees is a niche. Or office supplies for people with cramped office space is a niche.

I look the word up, and I get this:
  • a position particularly well suited to the person who occupies it; "he found his niche in the academic world"
  • recess: a small concavity
  • recess: an enclosure that is set back or indented
  • (ecology) the status of an organism within its environment and community (affecting its survival as a species)
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The reason I'm getting confused is that suddenly everything is being called a niche. For example, something like dating sites. How is this at all a sector of a larger market? To me, this isn't a niche. This is a market, in and of itself. It is well established and has some very specific standards.

So either I'm old school on this, or I never quite understood what a niche was to begin with.

Your thoughts are appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author mario2001
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    I have the same question too.


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    • Profile picture of the author steveweber
      People use the term loosely. Most people now days use it to describe an "area". For example, one might say, "The dating niche is quite large".

      There are large niches and micro niches.

      In dating, a micro niche might be "dating for South African immigrants".

      A small niche or a micro niche within a larger niche is much easier to get traction with initially.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Engel
        Originally Posted by steveweber View Post

        People use the term loosely.
        Yeah...too loosely, I think. At least I know I'm not going crazy.

        Thanks everyone for your answers.

        I'm still going to live by the old meaning of the word.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by steveweber View Post

        For example, one might say, "The dating niche is quite large".
        Which of course is totally contradictory when you look at what the term actually means!
        It's definately an over used, misused term.

        A niche is a small subsection of a topic/market. "Dating" is the broadest description of a topic, almost too broad to be considered a market. Now, online dating for over 65's is your niche.
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          A niche is a segment of the marketplace where everybody but you is making outrageous money.

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          • Profile picture of the author Maria Gudelis
            LOL at your post Killer Joe!

            Eric, I've always thought of it in old school as 'vertical markets' - goodness, the good ol' consulting days of pitching s/w to the vertical markets...even though in reality - it fit all horizontal markets...rrr...kinda a throwback to Michael Porter's models....

            I just liked the saying 'Get Rich in Your Niche' as it provided focus on who you are marketing to - crafting a message to that niche (or vertical market) to convert more sales!

            don't know if that made any sense...just adding my 2 cents worth! Cheers, M

            Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

            A niche is a segment of the marketplace where everybody but you is making outrageous money.

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            • Profile picture of the author Janet McLean
              Identifying a niche market is definately one of the biggest challenges on the road to choosing a product you want to sell or promote on the internet.

              But I have to quote Corey Rudl as he explained it.

              "In order to figure out if you've found a niche market, see if you can describe it using the following phrase:

              My niche market is people who are (action) + (your area of interest).

              For example...using this formula:
              • My niche market is people who are (learning how to play) (bongo drums)
              • My niche market is people who are (wanting to build) (backyard tree houses)
              ...Finding a niche market is about identifying a specific and highly focused group of people who are all looking for something on the Internet that they can't easily find."

              His info makes the most sense to me.

              To your success
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              • Profile picture of the author Eric Engel
                Originally Posted by Janet McLean View Post

                Finding a niche market is about identifying a specific and highly focused group of people who are all looking for something on the Internet that they can't easily find."
                That's what I always thought and that's how it was explained to me. I think as more and more newbies started offering their advice to other newbies, this idea blurred. People were quick to explain it before they understood it.

                Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Ok, let's go big picture and small picture.

    The large picture is Dating Websites.

    The small picture is "Dating websites for gay/lesbian amputee midgets"

    One is a large market, the other is a niche market. Sure, you could target the large market and compete against everyone else, or, you could focus on the smaller niche market within the larger market and dominate.

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    from what I know and used, lets say dating is the niche (witch you could also call a market) and dating for men,online dating,dating for fat people etc... are sub/micro-niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author profitgenie
    I agree with Eric, what if your market is people who want to make money online, it seems hard to target a niche promoting a list building program.

    If you were marketing Say Success University i guess your niche would be online education or further education.

    Anyone have examples for business building tools would you use keywords as a niche like " Building your List while you sleep " , can that be classed as a niche or would it be list building for blind midgets.

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  • Profile picture of the author Habitat
    Its your own segment like one whos blog is about cell phones niche would be cell phones - accessories - news (anything to do with cell phones)

    thats the way I see it
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    in one of my ebooks i actually dared to *define* niche new.

    People assume, well, "niche" in the classic sense that there is a small VERY specific market....and niche marketing focuses on that market's demands, eg NON mainstream products.

    But this is not true since you can "actually" make a niche from everything, in marketing eg. if you target LONG TAIL keywords.

    You could sell something very, very mainstream like ipods - but have a marketing campaign and long tail keywords for a relatively small audience, thus "creating a niche" out of any mainstream product.

    By decreasing the potential number of competitors, by being more specific in your marketing a niche is being created.


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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Engel
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      in one of my ebooks i actually dared to *define* niche new.
      ...

      You could sell something very, very mainstream like ipods - but have a marketing campaign and long tail keywords for a relatively small audience, thus "creating a niche" out of any mainstream product.

      By decreasing the potential number of competitors, by being more specific in your marketing a niche is being created.
      I don't think this is new at all. This is the original meaning of "niche market". Yeah...you create them. Then you cater to them. This is what I think newbie marketers have missed on...possibly because it wasn't explained to them properly.
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      • Profile picture of the author tiger325
        a niche is a topic or an area where it draws peoples interest such as weight loss
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Engel
    I just don't see 'cell phones' as a niche. I wouldn't even call 'cell phone rings tones' a niche.

    So let's try it this way.

    When a guru says that you should find a niche market, a tighter focus point, a section of business, what do THEY mean by it?

    Do you honestly think they could mean something as broad as 'online dating' or 'cell phones'?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dixiebelle
      Originally Posted by Eric Engel View Post

      I just don't see 'cell phones' as a niche. I wouldn't even call 'cell phone rings tones' a niche.

      So let's try it this way.

      When a guru says that you should find a niche market, a tighter focus point, a section of business, what do THEY mean by it?

      Do you honestly think they could mean something as broad as 'online dating' or 'cell phones'?

      "Communication devices" is the market - cell phones is a niche in that market.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dixiebelle
    Originally Posted by Eric Engel View Post




    The reason I'm getting confused is that suddenly everything is being called a niche. For example, something like dating sites. How is this at all a sector of a larger market? To me, this isn't a niche. This is a market, in and of itself. It is well established and has some very specific standards.


    Dating is a market - dating for seniors is a niche in that market.

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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    A niche is simply people...

    The dating niche are people that you need to figure out what they want, how to get it to them.

    The acne niche...what they want how to get it to them

    The pet niche...what they want how to get it to them

    The money making niche...what they want and how to get it to them

    More then not you know what they want...you just want to find out more about want they want and build upon that and then deliver it...by putting it in front of the niche (the people)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jakehyten
    Many people get this confused. Here is a very simple example.

    Weight loss = market
    lose weight before wedding day = a niche
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    what i wanted to point out, that it is actually irrelevant.

    if you are a marketer its very likely you work with keywords, for your PPC campaigns, for your backlinks. You depend on google and SEO for traffic.

    You can sell the most mainstream non niche product if you just keep tightening your keywords...starting with "Ipod" and finally maybe getting down to "used silver ipods in atlanta" <-- just an example

    It doesnt need to bother you whether you are actually working with a real, obscure "niche market" consisting of people having interests and hobbies you never heard of.
    Just work your keywords up to the long tail ---> competition gets smaller, buyers and audience become more targeted.
    Nothing "obscure"...but everyday mainstream stuff. Its all in the keywords. If there's good search volume and low competition you found a niche you can work with. Even if (at the end) you sell the most common thing.
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