Questions from a Ghost Writer Wannabe

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Hi, everyone! I started a thread last March. I asked you how I could start my online business with zero investment. I got a lot of good answers and I appreciate those who gave their suggestions and advice.

Many of you suggested that I start by being a ghostwriter. I think that is a very good idea. There are many of you who hire ghostwriters through the Warriors for Hire forum. I just have some questions:

1) What is the reasonable turnaround time for ten 400-word articles?

2) What do you expect from a ghostwriter?

3) What would you love to see in a ghostwriter's work?

4) What would you hate?

5) Do all articles have to be keyword-optimized for search engines? Is this a requirement?

I want to give the highest quality of service possible to my future clients. If you could give me some pieces of advice or suggestions, I would appreciate them very much. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
    I'll answer from the perspective of an article writer:

    1) What is the reasonable turnaround time for ten 400-word articles?
    - 48-72 hours would be reasonable. 4 days would be the absolute maximum in my book if you're just starting out and don't have many clients.

    2) What do you expect from a ghostwriter?
    - Well written, easy flowing, coherent articles.

    3) What would you love to see in a ghostwriter's work?
    - Consistancy.

    4) What would you hate?
    - Bad spelling, grammar, stuffed keywords.

    5) Do all articles have to be keyword-optimized for search engines? Is this a requirement?
    - If the person wants you to use a specific keyword phrase then yes. You would want a good keyword density but one that is natural to the article. Don't over do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
    [QUOTE=cyberdenizen;2378958] Many of you suggested that I start by being a ghostwriter. I think that is a very good idea. There are many of you who hire ghostwriters through the Warriors for Hire forum. I just have some questions:

    1) What is the reasonable turnaround time for ten 400-word articles?

    Answer: It depends on your workload, and your familiarity with the topic of the article, research, etc. But if I'm not too busy, my turnaround time on a 400-500 word article is 2-3 days.

    2) What do you expect from a ghostwriter?

    Answer: Honesty, professionalism, competency and communication. If you tell me you're going to complete a project within a specific time period, I expect the project to be completed, within that time period. And if you can't, I expect you to communicate that to me as well.

    3) What would you love to see in a ghostwriter's work?

    Answer: Passion, competency, honesty, creativity and thoroughness.

    4) What would you hate?

    Lack of professionalism, lack of creativity, incompetency and dishonesty.

    5) Do all articles have to be keyword-optimized for search engines? Is this a requirement?

    Answer: It all depends on the expectations of the client. But my school of thought is this: If you're going to write an article, it might as well be keyword-optimized.

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  • Profile picture of the author hyderkhan
    I happen to be a ghostwriter, so I think I can answer these questions based on my experience in what my clients might expect from me:

    1) If you are starting out and have zero clients, I would be on top of these 10 400-word articles like your livelihood depended on it. eg) Crank those articles out within 48 hours if you can. If you have a ton of clients (eg- you are already writing articles for others when you get a new request for 10 more articles), then you would have to queue them up in the back of the line. I would try to give a 1 week deadline at the latest. If you get REALLY backlogged, and it would take you several days to even GET to your new customer, then I'd say it's time to start hiring more ghostwriters to work with you. But realistically speaking, I would shoot for 48 to 72 hours max, if you are just starting out.

    2) Give them quality. If YOU were hiring a ghostwriter, isn't that what you would want from him or her?

    3) Attention to detail. Eloquent use of the English language. Ability to write in a conversational, captivating, and persuasive tone.

    4) Poor grammer. Spelling mistakes. Obvious keyword abuse. Overly simplistic text that doesn't offer anything of value to the reader. A ghostwriter should be capable of writing insightful and thought-out articles.

    5) It depends on what the client wants. Some clients have a requirement to be keyword optimized according to a specific keyword density. Some just want the keywords to show up only the first and last paragraphs and once in between. Some don't need keyword optimization at all.

    As for ghostwriting, it is a great way to earn quick cash in the short term, but if you have only limited time per day, and your ultimate aim is to run article marketing campaigns for yourself, it can leave you little to no time left to work on your own campaigns (at least that is my experience).

    Hope this helps.

    Originally Posted by cyberdenizen View Post

    Hi, everyone! I started a thread last March. I asked you how I could start my online business with zero investment. I got a lot of good answers and I appreciate those who gave their suggestions and advice.

    Many of you suggested that I start by being a ghostwriter. I think that is a very good idea. There are many of you who hire ghostwriters through the Warriors for Hire forum. I just have some questions:

    1) What is the reasonable turnaround time for ten 400-word articles?

    2) What do you expect from a ghostwriter?

    3) What would you love to see in a ghostwriter's work?

    4) What would you hate?

    5) Do all articles have to be keyword-optimized for search engines? Is this a requirement?

    I want to give the highest quality of service possible to my future clients. If you could give me some pieces of advice or suggestions, I would appreciate them very much. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
    Thanks to those who gave me their advice. I appreciate them very much. I just have another question. I know that ghostwriters should be able to write articles on any given topic, but could a ghostwriter specialize?
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by cyberdenizen View Post

      Thanks to those who gave me their advice. I appreciate them very much. I just have another question. I know that ghostwriters should be able to write articles on any given topic, but could a ghostwriter specialize?
      Absolutely! There are plenty of ghost writers who specialize. I know of one guy in particular who only works with dentists. And there's another ghost writer I'm aware of who will only work with chiropractors.

      So if you have a comfort level, talent, or experience in a particular niche, by all means...specialize!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Davis
    There are writers that are very busy and cannot turn around 10 articles in 48 hours. Some will ask for 7 days for delivery. People expect to get their articles when promised and if something happens they can't be delivered they expect you to give them an update. People don't like it when a writer promises a date, doesn't deliver and they can't contact that person or the writer doesn't get back to them. If they give you keywords use them properly. If they don't put some generic ones in there.

    If you offer

    quality information without fluff
    deliver when they want them
    give it to them with their specifications
    give the progress updates
    information that flows naturally
    no errors
    give them links to sources you used
    give them a list of keywords you used (if they didn't specify)
    run them through copyscape and give them print screens of the results

    you will get hired again
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    • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
      Originally Posted by Kim Davis View Post


      If you offer

      quality information without fluff
      deliver when they want them
      give it to them with their specifications
      give the progress updates
      information that flows naturally
      no errors
      give them links to sources you used
      give them a list of keywords you used (if they didn't specify)
      run them through copyscape and give them print screens of the results

      you will get hired again
      Now I know that links to sources of information must be provided as well as print screens of Copy Scape results. I didn't know that. Thank you so much!
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  • Hmmm...

    I suggest zoning in on a target clientele market first.

    How much do you want to be paid for your work? What do you enjoy writing about? What industries do you have specialized research and writing knowledge, training and experience in?

    I recommend targeting clients ready to pay good rates. These are usually people or companies with carefully studied and constantly tested business plans, marketing campaigns and financial investments.

    Why

    These clients usually have stable businesses and deep pockets for marketing.

    $1/2/3-per-article clients frequently have shaky business models and weak finances to save their businesses from low income periods. They also have short term business plans and marketing campaigns.

    I also recommend specializing in industries where you have the most relevant research/writing skills, knowledge and experience. This usually means you're most likely interested in those industries.

    Building your reputation is always a major business and marketing component.

    Factor in these in your pricing:

    office overheads, even if it's a room or an area in your house, and lack of...

    ...employee insurance, benefits, a competitive life/work balanced environment, colleagues to look up to, training/business character development/mindset formation sessions, loans and mortgage offers, family health packages, great corporate technology and equipment for work output quality and task completion improvement, etc. etc. etc.

    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by cyberdenizen View Post

    1) What is the reasonable turnaround time for ten 400-word articles?
    When one guy calls you for ten 400-word articles, two or three days.

    When ten of them call... things change a bit.

    I generally offer 30-day turnaround, then throttle my workload so I can't possibly get more work than I can do in 30 days.

    2) What do you expect from a ghostwriter?
    1. 100% original work.
    2. Good grammar, spelling, and vocabulary.
    3. Competent research on the subject matter.
    4. Rapid communication about progress.
    5. Meet deadlines.

    3) What would you love to see in a ghostwriter's work?
    Higher degrees of the same list. More creativity, better writing, better research, reports progress without being asked, delivers well before deadlines.

    4) What would you hate?
    Missing elements from the same list.

    5) Do all articles have to be keyword-optimized for search engines? Is this a requirement?
    That's up to the client. If a client wants keyword-optimised articles, he should provide keywords. If he doesn't provide them, he must not want them. Keyword research is a separate skill and should be offered as a separate service if you offer it at all. (I don't.)
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
    Thank you so much, everyone! Your replies have made me realize that I have a lot to learn about ghostwriting. However, I have learned something from each of your posts. More power!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    1) What is the reasonable turnaround time for ten 400-word articles?

    For me, it takes 2-3 days. Maybe 1 or 2 if you're really motivated,
    but I try not to bust my own balls.

    2) What do you expect from a ghostwriter?

    uh. Him or her to do their...job?

    3) What would you love to see in a ghostwriter's work?

    High quality, speed, and originality. All of which I'm no
    good in (just kidding)

    4) What would you hate?

    Well, everything that's the opposite of question #3.

    5) Do all articles have to be keyword-optimized for search engines? Is this a requirement?

    8x out of 10, it isn't. It's so rare I run into a client who wants
    keywords for specific articles. It's a request, not a requirement.
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  • Profile picture of the author thanp73
    Originally Posted by cyberdenizen View Post

    Hi, everyone! I started a thread last March. I asked you how I could start my online business with zero investment. I got a lot of good answers and I appreciate those who gave their suggestions and advice.

    Many of you suggested that I start by being a ghostwriter. I think that is a very good idea. There are many of you who hire ghostwriters through the Warriors for Hire forum. I just have some questions:

    1) What is the reasonable turnaround time for ten 400-word articles?

    2) What do you expect from a ghostwriter?

    3) What would you love to see in a ghostwriter's work?

    4) What would you hate?

    5) Do all articles have to be keyword-optimized for search engines? Is this a requirement?

    I want to give the highest quality of service possible to my future clients. If you could give me some pieces of advice or suggestions, I would appreciate them very much. Thanks!
    1) What is the reasonable turnaround time for ten 400-word articles? >> 1 day

    2) What do you expect from a ghostwriter? >> good in grammar

    3) What would you love to see in a ghostwriter's work? >> the article is engaging

    4) What would you hate? >> poor grammar, incorrect usage of punctuation

    5) Do all articles have to be keyword-optimized for search engines? Is this a requirement? >> yes, with the right keyword density
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
    Hello, Warriors!

    I have another question for experienced ghostwriters. For instance, a client asks me to write about a topic that is too difficult for me and very little (if at all) is published about it on the Internet. If you were in my shoes, would you reject the writing project? As ghostwriters, what should we do? This is a situation that I hope I will never find myself in. I do not want to disappoint my clients.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
      Originally Posted by cyberdenizen View Post

      Hello, Warriors!

      I have another question for experienced ghostwriters. For instance, a client asks me to write about a topic that is too difficult for me and very little (if at all) is published about it on the Internet. If you were in my shoes, would you reject the writing project? As ghostwriters, what should we do? This is a situation that I hope I will never find myself in. I do not want to disappoint my clients.
      Hmm, I highly doubt that there would be very little information about any topic on the internet so I don't think that circumstance will occur. Writing on difficult topics just means you have to invest more time researching. If the extra research time isn't worth your while then reject it.

      The way I determine whether or not I accept a job is by calculating the amount of time it will take to research and write the required number of articles and breaking the price down into an hourly figure. For example, if I am approched to write two articles which I know I can do within an hour, my hourly rate will be quite high. If I'm approached to write an article whereby it will take me over an hours worth of research only, I'll probably reject it DEPENDING on how many orders I have on backlog. Simply, I look at the opportunity cost.

      However, that is only one way. A lot of the time if you take the time to write on "difficult" topics and do a decent job, that client will become a regular and use your services more often.
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      • Profile picture of the author webwriter
        If you feel that it would take a long time to bring yourself up to speed on a given topic, it might be a good idea to reconsider. Let's say that your client's request involves a lot of technical details that you are basically unfamiliar with. If you have some background, you could take a chance. On the other hand, just say no. You'll get more clients and projects that you can handle more effectively.
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        • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
          Thanks, Webwriter. You're right! Following Scott's formula (price/no. of hours it takes to finish the article(s)), the longer it takes to finish the article, the lower my hourly rate becomes if the price were to be constant. In other words, if it would take a lot of time for me to write the article including the time I would be spending on research, then the project may not be worth it unless the client pays more.

          I also want my clients to be satisfied with my work. If I were to write about a topic that I am unfamiliar with, I might end up producing crappy articles and that would be bad for business, wouldn't it?

          Wow! I'm learning!

          Originally Posted by webwriter View Post

          If you feel that it would take a long time to bring yourself up to speed on a given topic, it might be a good idea to reconsider. Let's say that your client's request involves a lot of technical details that you are basically unfamiliar with. If you have some background, you could take a chance. On the other hand, just say no. You'll get more clients and projects that you can handle more effectively.
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          • Profile picture of the author cindybidar
            Originally Posted by cyberdenizen View Post

            Thanks, Webwriter. You're right! Following Scott's formula (price/no. of hours it takes to finish the article(s)), the longer it takes to finish the article, the lower my hourly rate becomes if the price were to be constant. In other words, if it would take a lot of time for me to write the article including the time I would be spending on research, then the project may not be worth it unless the client pays more.
            Don't forget to consider the possibility of more work on the same topic. I write on a variety of subjects I had no knowledge in when I started, and on those first articles I lost money. Several months later, I can write extensively on this topic with no added research, and make a lot more $$$ per hour doing it.
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            • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
              Hmmm...this is a very good point to consider. Writing about a topic that we are unfamiliar with may not seem worth the effort and the time at first, but it can pay off in the long run especially if there is a demand for articles on that topic. We familiarize ourselves with an unfamiliar topic by researching and writing about it. Thanks, Cindy!

              Originally Posted by cindybidar View Post

              Don't forget to consider the possibility of more work on the same topic. I write on a variety of subjects I had no knowledge in when I started, and on those first articles I lost money. Several months later, I can write extensively on this topic with no added research, and make a lot more $$$ per hour doing it.
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      • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
        Thank you for this "formula." So that's price/hours. If it would take many hours to finish an article, then the hourly rate would be low. That makes a lot of sense.

        Originally Posted by Scott Kennedy View Post


        The way I determine whether or not I accept a job is by calculating the amount of time it will take to research and write the required number of articles and breaking the price down into an hourly figure. For example, if I am approached to write two articles which I know I can do within an hour, my hourly rate will be quite high. If I'm approached to write an article whereby it will take me over an hours worth of research only, I'll probably reject it DEPENDING on how many orders I have on backlog. Simply, I look at the opportunity cost.
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      • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
        Thanks a lot for the offer, but I'm just about to start offering my services as a ghostwriter.

        Originally Posted by 91213 View Post

        PM me the topic and I will see if I can find links to the subject for you real quick
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    • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
      A ghostwriter is a person who is paid to write articles, books, etc., for someone else who takes the credit for writing the piece. Some knowledge of SEO can come in handy for ghostwriters who write articles for Internet marketers.

      Originally Posted by perdanadhi View Post

      lol, what a ghostwriter exactly is guys?
      I learn SEO but, never heard "ghostwriter"
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