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What's Up Fellow WARRIORS and Newbies,

I was wondering if anybody on this forum is into MLM. And if they are... are they successful - or do you think that it is not worth the effort (ie.SCAM)

- GOOGLE WARRIOR
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

    What's Up Fellow WARRIORS and Newbies,

    I was wondering if anybody on this forum is into MLM. And if they are... are they successful - or do you think that it is not worth the effort (ie.SCAM)

    - GOOGLE WARRIOR
    The only time I have ever been involved in this sort of marketing was when taking my first job after I moved to California in 2007. I wouldn't say it was a scam per-se, but I certainly did not want to shill cheap knock off memory foam pillows in San Bernardino.

    I was good at it (being the only trainee to sell all 20 pillows his first day) but I was desperately looking for a different line of work when I got my measly $50 and the rest went to my trainer...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    It depends on how you are defining MLM. So, before I answer, I would need a bit more clarification as to exactly what you mean when you refer to MLM.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author GoogleWarrior
    I am talking about the PYRAMID type MLM . You sign up under someone... then you can have unlimited people sign up under you.... and if they sign up people, you get a percentage of their sign in fees... That type of MLM.

    The idea is brilliant... but I just dont see it working for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

      I am talking about the PYRAMID type MLM . You sign up under someone... then you can have unlimited people sign up under you.... and if they sign up people, you get a percentage of their sign in fees... That type of MLM.

      The idea is brilliant... but I just dont see it working for me.
      That my friend, is illegal. I am not a lawyer, so what I say here is just layman's talk. But as I remember it, if you get paid for signing up people (a percentage of their sign in fees) that is against the law. So it is not brilliant at all.

      You are allowed to get a part of the gross profits of your downline, and that is what most MLM companies do these days. You don't get paid for signing people up though. If someone is offering you that, then run the other way.

      By the way, this is an internet marketing forum. It is not a make money from home, business opportunity or other type of make money forum, it is strictly about internet marketing. MLM can be done through IM, but you didn't ask about that, you asked about MLM. Look for the thread to be deleted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    The "idea" IS brilliant, in theory.

    In reality, MLM is one of the worst business models out there. It is set up so most people HAVE to fail. And most DO fail. It is NOT because they didn't do it right, or because they didn't try hard enough, ANYBODY who tells you differently is misinformed at best, and misleading for their own gain at worst.

    You will NEVER succeed as well as you could if you are going to rely on others to earn some of your income for you.

    Anyway, that's my take on it.

    All the best,
    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    Michael is 100% correct. The company I worked for shilling the pillows (among other things) went out of business several months later. So either they couldn't find anyone else to recruit or they ran out of places to sell--which I highly doubt the latter was the reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author itsallwhite
    I am with an MLM company and making money each month...but I make most of my money from retail profits! The company is called Isagenix - the conversions are not great but it does convert each week and the payout is pretty reasonable.

    I have found that many MLM companies products are really high quality but also really expensive.

    I would also agree that the setup is based on a few people making money and lots that don't
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

    What's Up Fellow WARRIORS and Newbies,

    I was wondering if anybody on this forum is into MLM. And if they are... are they successful - or do you think that it is not worth the effort (ie.SCAM)
    While my feelings on MLM are clear, I would NOT go so far as to say all of them are scams. Not being worth the effort doesn't make something a scam.

    As long as they disclose how you make money, what each level means, obey the law, pay out as much as you should get, and pay out on time - they are not a scam.

    Caveat emptor.

    ~Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Not being worth the effort doesn't make something a scam.

      ~Michael
      My monthly checks tell me it's worth the effort... been getting
      them for a LONG time...

      Tsnyder
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Mai
    I was previously involved in MLM and i will briefly discuss about my experiences.

    In the beginning it sounded great. The person that introduced me and invited me to join MLM was telling me all these things about how i can have my own team of people working for me and i had to do very little work and it sounded like the road to financial freedom.

    Basically this is how they said it would work. I go out and find a few people to join, for example i get 2 people, and then those 2 people go out and get another 2 people, and then those 2 people go out and get another 2 people and so on. (could eventually turn out you have 10,000 people under you or whatever number you like, use your imagination) - Called a pyramid scheme.

    We tell the people that we invite to tell the people that they invited that we need to buy products which are pretty much everyday products to use at home and we buy through this service instead of buying from the local store. It was online based so they deliver to your home. There are different types of MLM programs that specialize in different things, could be health care products, energy drinks, etc. (there's heaps)

    It took me a few weeks to understand the concept of what i actually had to do and how i made money. Supposedly the things we buy from these companies are wholesale price (LOL wholesale a$$) it turned out to cost almost double of what they cost out in the local shops. And yeah so basically we we buy these products to use for ourselves and all the people that we recruited and they recruited down the line also do the same thing and buy these products to use at home.

    Each month the MLM company adds up your score (you get points based on how much money has been spent through you and all the people under you) and then you get paid accordingly.

    So from personal experience MLM is not a scam, it does work but not for everyone. It didn't work for me because i did not feel comfortable trying to persuade family and friends and go up and talk to random people to try and get them to join me and go underneath me so i could make money. For people that don't mind going out and getting people to join them and purchase products in a similar manner then it can work. I have met with quite a few people who have become very successful because of MLM so it is proof that it does work.

    In the end it all boils down to you and your preferences. But in the end I'm glad i ventured into MLM because then it made me realize how badly i wanted to achieve financial freedom and this lead me onto internet marketing where i have learned to work hard but also have a vision and know that there is great potential ahead to have financial freedom, where normal jobs i am just pinned down to the hourly rates.
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  • Profile picture of the author ace0_0
    Internet marketing is making money from home...in fact thats one of the most appealing things about it. It's clear that the majority of you have been burned by the network marketing realm at some point in your lives and thats understandable there were a few companies I would liken to dogs with fleas. However, in an industry that has been plagued with a reputation like this one, the companies that don't take advantage of people tend to rise to the top and stand out.

    Take Avon for example, we have all heard of it and if not, our mothers have. This company started at the same time that Coke-a-Cola did and they are STILL here, in fact they generate revenues of over 10 billion dollars per year, they even advertise on television. So if nothing else, that should tell you that there are companies out there that are not looking to rip you off and the millions of people who's lives have been changed because of Avon and companies like it speak to the integrity of network marketing.

    I am a network marketer myself, but I detest the traditional ways of doing things, I don't talk to my family and friends about it anymore because that's just not how you do it, unless you WANT them to start ducking your calls and avoiding you. My own personal axe to grind with the network marketing industry is their lack of informing distributors on how to avoid the headaches and pitfalls of the game. The only way to make any real money in this game is to position yourself as a leader, as someone who knows what they are doing and can DEMONSTRATE value to prospective networkers so that they know that partnering with you will take them forward not backwards.

    The way to go about doing this is to invest in yourself and increase your personal value to others, now this is a LONG process that requires LIMITLESS patience and that is where most people tend to fall off. We have all been lured into the society of quick and easy; we want everything yesterday so when the gains that we have dreamed up in our minds don't come as fast as we want them to we become cynical and bitter. Pardon the rant but this sort of thing is happening everywhere and since I KNOW that this industry is not the black hole that it is made out to be I have to play devil's advocate. I will leave you with this though GoogleWarrior, network marketing is worth the effort when you combine hard work, dedication and the CORRECT strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author tac5man
      It's sad how MLM got a bad name, when people think of MLM they think of scams, pestering friends and family, cold calling out of the phone book, leaving fliers in every area under the sun (and some above), but MLM is really a good business model IF set up properly and it markets the right products, breakaways and drop outs plague the industry as companies come and go.

      There are 12 things a MLM has to have to succeed:

      1. Company track record - Do your "due diligence" on the company. Check out the company by going to the Better Business Bureau in their local area. See if there are any complaints filed against them, and see if any have been resolved.

      2. Financial strength - Even if all factors seem to check out, this is one of the key factors to why many MLM programs fail: not enough money to keep it afloat. Remember that 95%+ of all MLM companies never make it past its 5th year.

      3. Strong management - Check out the names of the people running the company (i.e. the CEO, CFO, President, etc.) to see what experience they have had in running other companies.

      4. Unique consumable products - Does the company produce an unrivaled product? Is there competition for that particular product, and how do they "stack up" against each other? What kind of market niche is there for that product?

      5. Competitive pricing - Do the products "stand well" in comparison to products currently in the marketplace? Don't become "garage-qualified" just to meet the minimum requirements to be given a paycheck by the company.

      6. High reorder rate - Is there a real "perceived" value in the product? Does this product get ordered over and over again on a monthly basis? It's quite simple to understand that if there is a low reorder rate, there will be low residual income. Conversely, if there is a high reorder rate, there will be a high residual income.

      7. Low attrition - This, in layman's terms, is the number of people that stay on as customers every month. This just means that if a business builder is making money, he/she will continue on with the company. If they are continually in a negative cash flow, usually the average period of time given for this is approximately 90 days. If they go beyond this period of time in a negative cash flow, they will quit the business.

      8. Low personal production requirement - This is where you have to analyze what the monthly product purchase is to qualify for a paycheck. After this has been established, you must ask yourself if the "Average Joe" can also meet these requirements.

      9. Low entry costs - As in our previous example with the water filter company, it did cost several thousands of dollars to just "get started on the right foot". If these costs are too high, then the "Average Joe" can't afford it. Thus they will never quite get started.

      10. Timing vs. trends - Never believe the "Get in on the ground floor", "Be first", or "Pre-launch starts now" hype! Timing to join a company is bad when you observe their growth has stopped. Conversely, timing is good when you observe consistent growth in the company. You also have to look at the changes that are happening in that particular market niche. How will they have to adapt to maintain profitability?

      11. Legal, fair, balanced compensation - This must reward everyone in a win/win fashion, and build a "network" of "many people doing a little bit of the same thing". As with the teachings given by one of my previous mentors, Michael Klimek, he taught me to analyze a compensation plan based on a small, attainable number that the "Average Joe" can reach. Look at how much you & every person has to order every month, and see how you are compensated for this.

      12. No risk - You should always evaluate the risks of the business versus the possible gains. Where the number of risks is smaller than the gains, it would almost seem prudent to move forward. Please be aware of any companies that offer a "shadow business", that is one that would appear to make more money with the sales of motivational materials (i.e. tapes, books, CD's, etc.) than they would with actual product sales within their organization. These companies should be avoided at all costs.

      If you want to talk more or ask me any questions PM me.

      Hope this helped,

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author Neptune.
    2 Years ago I went to one of the Forever Living seminars. I don't know... There were around a thousand people, lots of shady looking mfs, it looked like a cult.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Neptune. View Post

      2 Years ago I went to one of the Forever Living seminars. I don't know... There were around a thousand people, lots of shady looking mfs, it looked like a cult.
      Forever Living Products is one of the best ones, in my opinion. It's decades old, is based on genuine retail sales to genuine retail customers, has over 8 Million distributors worldwide in a still-growing market, and is very ethically and honestly run. Exactly the antithesis of MLM's understandably sometimes "scammy" image.

      Anyone interested in a "slightly different view of MLM" may find most of the entries in this blog pretty interesting: don't forget this url . There's nothing commercial there, no advertising, no opt-in and even the author's company isn't named.

      She was a millionaire by the age of 25, through MLM, and walks the walk as well as talking the talk. She sold one distributorship a year ago for a huge amount of money and continues to build another. She disagrees with many of the widely accepted views that unsuccessful network marketers tend to have, and is generally a mine of useful and interesting information about the industry.
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    • Profile picture of the author ace0_0
      Originally Posted by Neptune. View Post

      2 Years ago I went to one of the Forever Living seminars. I don't know... There were around a thousand people, lots of shady looking mfs, it looked like a cult.
      Whenever you have 1000's of people in the same area rallying around the same cause there is a synergy that will flow through them. This is why some people believe rock concerts to be like cult rallies, you can't tell me there aren't shady looking mf's at a rock concert.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Essentially, everything that's needed to be said about MLM, especially tac5man's
        brilliant post, has been said.

        Personally, I have nothing against MLM IF it has a viable product and doesn't
        rely solely on just getting people in your downline to make money. Those
        that fit the latter description ultimately get shut down by the feds anyway.
        The graveyards are littered with programs that have been nothing more
        than pyramid schemes.

        Finding a good MLM is harder than finding a nun in a brothel.

        So I don't bother with them anymore.

        Ultimately, you have to do what YOU think is right.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
          I'm in a mlm and I love it.

          I come from a very strong sales background giving presentations and motivating people AND I take it online so for example I just sponsored a guy in Germany last week .

          It's all about finding people who share the interest of finding a great opportunity,
          that being said I have never pitched a friend or family member on it, and most of my friends don't even know I do it.

          Also it's just like every other type of business about 90% failure rate like in internet marketing, brick and mortar and mlm most people fail because of laziness and bad training/management .

          It seems like a lot of people view mlm like a stock you buy in and expect to make money and it's sad.

          So if you're motivated it can be good.
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  • Profile picture of the author bradmarcus1
    Hello Google Warrior. I'm involved in a home business/MLM business, aka Network Marketing. Excellent business model! I'm fairly new to this company, but in another company I came close to $100,000/year in about 3 years working part-time.

    Is MLM/Network Marketing a scam or pyramid??? Absolutely not...it's 100% legal. I did 2 Youtube videos about this subject.

    Want proof? Do a search, in particular Wikipedia. "What is MLM/Network Marketing?" Talk to a lawyer. Read some books, there are many that endorse MLM. Attend some meetings or seminars. Robert Kiyosaki, Paul Pilzer, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Les Brown, Suze Orman and many others all endorse it. Even Bill Clinton...it's on Youtube.

    To Your Success,
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  • Profile picture of the author Hugh
    A few (well, yes, more than a few) years ago, I was doing quite well with
    MLM. I worked hard to help my down-line prosper and it paid off handsomely.
    Then, I got sick. Seriously sick. Was whacked out for months. Meanwhile,
    the feds started pressing new regulations and the company had to undergo a
    lot of changes to meet the challenge. They did well. My brain was so fogged up
    that I couldn't keep up. Sold out to my strongest immediate down-line. He did
    well.

    It was a good, honest decent company that paid correctly and on time. Last I
    heard they are still doing well. MLM CAN be a great vehicle.

    Hugh
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    • Profile picture of the author Digital Info Diva
      It all depends on the company and the product.

      Ask yourself....is this something I would continue to buy if I wasn't doing the
      business side?

      For instance, I was into Melaleuca for years, but I was only into the
      products. So I purchased the products, but didn't do any selling.

      Right now there are grocery and gasoline MLMs - I can only recommend 1
      that I am sure is a real business and not a scam!
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  • Profile picture of the author eiilers
    I'm not a fan of MLM's, but definitely doesn't mean they don't work. I think the more successful MLM's are ones that have numerous products & services (ie. amway). Single product MLM's in my opinion are dumb. If you're selling one product, and recruiting and only getting a sliver of the profits, why wouldn't you just go straight to the manufacturer and buy wholesale and sell retail and make 100% of profits, vs a small percentage?

    I have some family in one MLM right now that is a single product one (pushing acaii juice) and they can't grasp the concept that they can buy it wholesale and sell retail (and even start their own MLM if they want) and they don't need their current MLM and can be making more than just pennies for their hard work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Braveheart2009
    mlm can make you loads of money if the right product as in 2010 mlm companies are realising people cant afford $500-$5000 signup fees with $200 per month ongoing charges and have lowered the sign up cost, however even if you have a big downline and next year the next big mlm comes out everyone will leave your downline and join the cheaper option meaning working harder and spending more money recruiting with CPA and affilliate marketing and direct sales people are all ready BUYING the product and no pressure is needed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by LD Carter View Post

      That's why it's so easy to convince people to join my company. To get in is less than $100 and less than $40 to maintain. If a person makes one sell, they make their investment back plus some. There are even some cheaper options. I've been making a killing since they started this Fast Start Program discount. Unfortunately, that's ending in a couple of days.
      Hey LD...

      I'm very familiar with your company. I consider it one
      of the "gold standard" companies in network marketing.
      My name is on a plaque in the home office hall of fame!

      Keep rockin'!

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  • Profile picture of the author kakaboo
    Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

    What's Up Fellow WARRIORS and Newbies,

    I was wondering if anybody on this forum is into MLM. And if they are... are they successful - or do you think that it is not worth the effort (ie.SCAM)

    - GOOGLE WARRIOR
    Actually, there's a whole section on this forum dedicated to MLM. Check out the Plug-In Profit site section.

    The programs under Plug-In Profit Site are mostly all similar to the structure of MLMs
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsuccess
    A lot of the negatives people mentioned are old news.
    .You don't get paid to just sign someone up, you get paid when they order product
    .Real MLM'ers don't sign people up and leave them to fail, they (we) get paid bonuses for productive downline members therefore we want them to succeed
    .Most are binary, meaning you have 2 people under you and everyone after that goes beneath them (volume-wise)
    .You dont *have* to be at the top to make the money (although it helps) - Brig Hart came into monavie I think 5 years after the company started and he reached the highest level

    There are some valid points though
    .Somewhere at the very bottom someone wont be making money - this is up to them whether they want to change it - it's not like everyone in the world will have seen the opportunity
    .It still takes work - you HAVE to teach and train your people to duplicate your efforts
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    Multi Level Marketing and Ponzi schemes are generally regarded as scams. The only way how MLM might be legitimate in my eyes is if it is a part of marketing element. For example, if an affiliate program of a certain product or service has a 5 Tier commissions based on referrals. This is true for many CPA, affiliate networks. However, if the business itself is based on MLM structure, then I see it as a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Multi Level Marketing in itself is not a scam. Now the "pyramid scheme" is a scam, and that is a version of Multi Level Marketing. But Multi Level Marketing is just a method of marketing a product. It's basically the same as affiliate marketing, but in this case the affiliates recruit other affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author pyles
    I'm really not a huge fan if mlm, I'd rather be the one making the profit
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