Why the 20 post minimum?

14 years ago

To prevent spam & abuse :rolleyes:

Just contribute more and you'll soon be able to post there.

It's just a matter of time

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Lance K

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alice Ayres

Before you can post in the Internet Marketing product review section? The majority of people buying the products mentioned in there are probably beginners and could add valuable content but are unable to because of the 20 post rule.

To prevent someone from signing up just to...

Go to the review section and trash a competitor's product.

Go to the review section and post a fake positive review of their own product.

Etc.

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Alice,

Lance nailed it. And if people play silly games to get over that level and post bogus reviews, either as ads or to trash products, the limit will get raised, and their posts will all be deleted.

I'm not suggesting anything about you, one way or the other. Just stating the reasons and the consequences for those who do this stuff.

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Steve Wise

14 years ago

Yes, I actually thought about the abuse by product creaters to give a glowing review of their product whilst I was painting the door in my lounge a few minutes ago! I understand that one, although I reckon there are many people (like me) who tend to read the reviews only and rarely comment. However, there may be a time when they could genuinely add value to the discussuion about a particular product but can't unless they come into the main forum and make a few hasty posts to meet the criteria.

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Lance K

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alice Ayres

Yes, I actually thought about the abuse by product creaters to give a glowing review of their product whilst I was painting the door in my lounge a few minutes ago! I understand that one, although I reckon there are many people (like me) who tend to read the reviews only and rarely comment. However, there may be a time when they could genuinely add value to the discussuion about a particular product but can't unless they come into the main forum and make a few hasty posts to meet the criteria.

To be honest if someone hasn't contributed much (i.e. less than 20 posts) to the forum in the past, their review probably won't hold as much weight as one from a regular contributor. Regardless of how legitimate it is.

Involvement in the community leads to a certain trust factor. If someone posts regularly, people grow to trust them. Good or bad. Either they trust that they know what they're talking about, or they trust that they don't know what they're talking about. Either way, people know how they want to weight the opinions of others based on their past participation.

And while there's nothing wrong with primarily being a lurker, that trust factor isn't there with a lurker.

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Alice,

Lance is on a roll today.

However, there may be a time when they could genuinely add value to the discussion about a particular product but can't unless they come into the main forum and make a few hasty posts to meet the criteria.

Here's a tip: Never post just to meet some level of privilege. That is obvious, and results in the wrong kind of attention. Specifically, a moderator going through all of your posts and deleting anything that looks like a "bump the numbers" comment. Whether that was your intention or not.

If too many people try gaming the system that way, the easy solution is to make the required post count even higher.

The goal is to reduce posts with an agenda other than providing a legitimate perspective from the users of a product. Nothing will eliminate that completely, but we can reduce it to the point where it ceases to be a significant influencing factor.

Yes, steps taken to prevent abuse sometimes inconvenience legitimate members. That's a much smaller problem than we'd have if we let folks post bogus reviews and members ended up buying garbage products or missing out on good ones because of the games.

By viewing it as a privilege to be earned, rather than a right being taken away, you'll understand the reasoning. That's true of pretty much everything any of us does on someone else's site, after all.

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affiliatecoachlandon

14 years ago

Well, post numbers shouldn't be the benchmark I think....it should be the amount of thanks.

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niffybranco 14 years ago

Originally Posted by affiliatecoachlandon

Well, post numbers shouldn't be the benchmark I think....it should be the amount of thanks.

If that is the case then anyone reading your posts should disregard whatever you say.:p
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- affiliatecoachlandon 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by niffybranco
  
  If that is the case then anyone reading your posts should disregard whatever you say.:p
  
  LOL, I've been lurking for a long time
  
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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Originally Posted by affiliatecoachlandon

Well, post numbers shouldn't be the benchmark I think....it should be the amount of thanks.

Doesn't make sense.

I know very little about CPA, for example. Should my review of a CPA product get more credibility than one from someone who's actively involved in the field, but only posts occasionally and has a handful of thank yous?

Not in a rational system.

The idea of the rule is to reduce the abuse of that section by people signing up to game it. Not to somehow establish a system that makes people think certain reviews are worth more than others. That just opens the door for other types of problems.

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Tina Golden

14 years ago

Not to mention, there are many reasons to get thanked, not just for providing valuable information. I thank a lot of people just for making me laugh or for posting something that makes me think in a new direction.

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JohnMcCabe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

Not to mention, there are many reasons to get thanked, not just for providing valuable information. I thank a lot of people just for making me laugh or for posting something that makes me think in a new direction.

Tina

Or even to show agreement when I don't have something new to add...

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Istvan Horvath 13 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Or even to show agreement when I don't have something new to add...

Or...instead of digging up year(s) old threads just to add something not really important to it - as it happened in the post above yours
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- JohnMcCabe 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath
  
  Or...instead of digging up year(s) old threads just to add something not really important to it - as it happened in the post above yours
  
  What can I say?
  
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- Johnny Optimo 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath
  
  Or...instead of digging up year(s) old threads just to add something not really important to it - as it happened in the post above yours
  
  lol... it is funny because it shows good form to use the search feature to get an answer instead of creating a new thread... posting in it to get to the 20 post count quicker is just hilarious though. Not to say the post was crap though.
  
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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alice Ayres

Before you can post in the Internet Marketing product review section?

Because if you join a forum just to leave a review, your review is probably not accurate.

You have either been hired to post a fake one, or gotten excited about a product you just bought (either in a good way or a bad way).

Twenty posts is long enough for reason to reassert itself.

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hometutor

14 years ago

It's quite easy making 20 posts in this forum. One lesson I learned here that's different than other forums is not to subscribe to too many threads or my email box gets full lol.

I just click on the link instead of back peddling out and there's almost always something new to learn or a new response.

Use this forum for the wealth of information and sharing it contains

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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

My thoughts are that Warroom membership should be the benchmark for many things, okay not neccesarily review section but if one is a warroom memeber the post count limit is waved for review forum like it is with PM's etc.

I also think warroom membership should be a pre requiste to signature links .... and if scammers want to try exploit that atleast warriorforum got to earn some revenue from their stupidity, any thoughts?

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Cathy,

My thoughts are that Warroom membership should be the benchmark for many things, okay not neccesarily review section but if one is a warroom memeber the post count limit is waved for review forum like it is with PM's etc.

That would help a little, but not nearly as much as the post count limit.

Here's the thinking: If someone wants to shill (or bash) a product, spending the $35 is nothing. Taking the time to make 20 or more posts that stick is another matter entirely. That said, making War Room membership a requirement would go a long way toward stopping the people who just get a bunch of their friends to sign up and say nice things.

I don't think making people pay cash to express their opinion of a product is necessarily a useful direction to go in. Time and participation are a legitimate currency for that privilege, though.

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darkonetoo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver

I also think warroom membership should be a pre requiste to signature links .... and if scammers want to try exploit that at least warriorforum got to earn some revenue from their stupidity, any thoughts?

Interesting point, Cathy--

Maybe a prerequisite to "premium" signature links. But I don't think the system is broken.

Just because someone chooses not to participate in the War Room does not make them a spammer. In fact, very few in that class are. And, being a War Room member does not by itself make one a better or more valuable person.

I am not an official war-room member yet, and may not be one for some time. I mainly contribute to other forums. That doesn't stop me from making a contribution here and there on this forum-- or making a very good living from IM.

But if Allen wants to put limitations on his site's exposure, he certainly has the right to.

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keepgoin

13 years ago

I just added a comment about a useful thread on Aweber, but then was told I wasn't allowed to post there - I'm a newbie!

I understand I guess, and I can see why some would try to sign up just to bash! But for those of us newbies here for the right reasons, it won't be a problem to write the required 20 posts.

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timpears

13 years ago

Because Alan Says said so.

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seobro

13 years ago

I myself ask this question and not sure we have an answer. Please do not tell me it is to prevent abuse and spam. There are people who build up an army of accounts simply so they can spam and scam. Best way to detect them is to allow accounts to age. A person that has been a good citizen for seven years is not gonna TURN on you.

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Richard Van 13 years ago

Originally Posted by seobro

I myself ask this question and not sure we have an answer. Please do not tell me it is to prevent abuse and spam.

We certainly have had the answer and it's exactly that. :confused:

Have another look over the thread chap.

A person that has been a good citizen for seven years is not gonna TURN on you.

They could if they stopped using it several years ago and flogged it on another forum to a spammer.
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- ExRat 13 years ago
  
  Hi,
  
  Interesting how the person asking about this has morphed from Alice Ayres into Steve Wise in the last 14 months.
  
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  Robert Puddy 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ExRat
  
  Hi,
  
  Interesting how the person asking about this has morphed from Alice Ayres into Steve Wise in the last 14 months.
  
  Well spotted sir...
  
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  Ken Strong 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ExRat
  
  Hi,
  
  Interesting how the person asking about this has morphed from Alice Ayres into Steve Wise in the last 14 months.
  
  Hmmm...
  
  "alice ayres" "steve wise" - Google Search
  
  He or she would have had to go through the Help Desk to get their username changed like that. Guess Thomas approved it at the time. Either the account was completely transferred to another person, or this person was and/or is adopting a completely fake persona.
  
  Either way, it'll be interesting to hear the story.
  
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  Jill Carpenter 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ExRat
  
  Hi,
  
  Interesting how the person asking about this has morphed from Alice Ayres into Steve Wise in the last 14 months.
  
  Let's not jump to conclusions.
  
  Perhaps Alice was a bit manly looking to begin with.
  
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