How do I create a site for an offline business and then sell/lease it??

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G'day All,

I've been trying to find the answer to this question, but I'm probably not looking in the right spot, so to spare my sanity I thought I would just ask.

Will this work....Is it possible for me to build a website for a local business, lets say a plumber. Get it ranked for targeted keyword to the point I am actually getting leads from the site, pass those leads on to an actual plumber, and then somehow sell or lease the site to a plumber.

I understand how to build a site, do the seo etc... My real thought is that if i make a site based around a keyword like 'sydneyplumber.com' for example. (i have no idea if that site exists and whether that keyword is any good. Just using an example) get it ranked, building up subscribers and receiving calls. How do I then transfer it to a legimate plumber in the area who already has a site without affecting rankings etc.... (as i write this i am thinking "i should just find someone who doesn't have one and then sell them mine")

Hopefully this makes sense.

Let me know what you think.

Cheers
#business #create #offline #sell or lease #site
  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    You're better off offering ad space on that site IMO.

    When working to create sites for offline clients, those clients want the site to be specifically made to their customizations.
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  • Profile picture of the author grimace_86
    Hi Avenuegirl(Jill) thanks for the tip.

    Lol....Until like 10 seconds I had no clue what IMO meant. I had to google it. haha. but at least i know now.

    I've never ever considered doing ad space before. sounds interesting.

    I see on here so many differenet business models, its great that there is choice and variety, I just find i have no idea which one to use.

    I was thinking it would be cool to just make a site in my own time, get it ranked, and then sell it to someone who could benefit from it.

    I will look into the ad space thing.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    You are talking about the "Lead Generation" Industry. Yes it is highly possible to make significant money providing leads for high profile clientele. I have done it alot in the telemarketing industry.

    Wanna know something else...?

    You can find suppliers in online market places with major high traffic, make a deal with them to send them leads for their bulk offers for 4 figure commissions... then turn around and utilize that very sites traffic (where you found the supplier), and advertise that suppliers product to the buyers there. They are called B2B sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author grimace_86
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      You are talking about the "Lead Generation" Industry. Yes it is highly possible to make significant money providing leads for high profile clientele. I have done it alot in the telemarketing industry.
      Without knowing it I think you are spot on.

      So could I then pick a market like plumbing, painting, etc... build a site specifically designed to rank highly on google, start collecting leads through giving away a special report like "Is your plumber making these 5 mistakes?" setup the funnel to have them calling me, and then find a business who i can sell the leads to. Would that work??

      Could I sell them the site??? The reason I ask is that i think it would be a heck of a lot easier and more effective to call a business who has no website, or a dud site, and sell them a site that is a. Ranking highly on google for multiple popular keyword phrases, b. Actually has people calling up because of it & c. has a list of potential customers.

      Is that strategy any good?? or is there something that I am not seeing that would prevent it from working.

      Another question i have is say if i did have a site ranking for a keyword phrase. Can I use a 301 redirect to the businesses main site without affecting ranking of the keyword rich site??
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by grimace_86 View Post

        Without knowing it I think you are spot on.

        So could I then pick a market like plumbing, painting, etc... build a site specifically designed to rank highly on google, start collecting leads through giving away a special report like "Is your plumber making these 5 mistakes?" setup the funnel to have them calling me, and then find a business who i can sell the leads to. Would that work??

        Could I sell them the site??? The reason I ask is that i think it would be a heck of a lot easier and more effective to call a business who has no website, or a dud site, and sell them a site that is a. Ranking highly on google for multiple popular keyword phrases, b. Actually has people calling up because of it & c. has a list of potential customers.

        Is that strategy any good?? or is there something that I am not seeing that would prevent it from working.

        Another question i have is say if i did have a site ranking for a keyword phrase. Can I use a 301 redirect to the businesses main site without affecting ranking of the keyword rich site??
        An Insurance sales man who targets companies with 50 employees or higher will pay you $100 for a lead that gets him in front of those 50 people.

        Generally they buy leads in packs of 8-10 and expect a 1 out of 3 or 4 closing ration. If they can close 1 out of 4 leads, they will buy leads from you like clockwork every week... if they have several agents under them, they may buy as many as 50 per week... National organizations will buy thousands.

        Now...

        Loan officers will also buy leads and mortgage companies...

        My first real job was generating them for a construction company that sold windows and siding... car lot owners pay for leads... carpet cleaners... lawyers...

        Edit: The price for an internet lead is very much different than telemarketed, however still lucrative.

        I have often thought (at the risk of creating competition for the idea...) that, it would be a really awesome concept to either:

        A: Buy stacks of thousands of Internet generated leads, and use them as a call list... man the closing ratio would be out of this world... I think, but just because something sounds good doesnt mean there isnt a hidden variable that you are missing.

        B: Start a website that generates internet leads or appointments for Ins. Sale people, then confirm the leads/appts by phone, maybe even live transfer the call.

        For an Insurance Salesman/Loan Officer... that would be a really valuable lead. You would have the best in the industry.

        Sorry about the off topic...brainstorm on your thread.


        Yeah I think plumbers would pay for leads.

        Good idea.
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        • Profile picture of the author graphicsgenie
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Yeah I think plumbers would pay for leads.

          Good idea.
          I thought Plumbers paid for pipes?

          Darren
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          • Profile picture of the author hometutor
            I'd lease it to them and you maintain it.

            Keep the password to yourself and the domain in your name in case they stop paying you. Happened to a guy I know who corrected that mistake the next time around

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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by graphicsgenie View Post

            I thought Plumbers paid for pipes?

            Darren
            Think for example... if you got a lead from a chicken plant manager or something... a plumbing contract with a company like that could be worth 10's of thousands...

            My ex father in law is a millionaire who does high pressure steam leak repair for several major paper mills.

            Actually he has passed away and his son in laws run the biz now... they still make a couple of mil per year.

            Whenever they design a special clamp for a major steam leak.... they can make like 10-20k just on the clamp design...

            Here's the point: These leaks happen everyday because there are thousands of pipes and elbows all over these plants that are springing leaks everyday...

            So yes, it's worth money to a plumber to pay for leads.

            If they pay you 100 bucks for a lead and even make 1k... it's a good deal for them.

            If I was a plumber... I would, put it that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author smarks70
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      You are talking about the "Lead Generation" Industry. Yes it is highly possible to make significant money providing leads for high profile clientele. I have done it alot in the telemarketing industry.

      Wanna know something else...?

      You can find suppliers in online market places with major high traffic, make a deal with them to send them leads for their bulk offers for 4 figure commissions... then turn around and utilize that very sites traffic (where you found the supplier), and advertise that suppliers product to the buyers there. They are called B2B sites.
      John,

      Could you elaborate a little more on this business model? It sounds like something I have been looking into. That is creating a lead generation site, getting it optimized, etc. than selling the leads to local businesses. But your take seems to be taking it to a WAY higher level than I have even thought of.

      Your thoughts would be appreciated.

      Regards,

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Digital Traffic
    I was wondering the same thing.

    I have about 12 city specific web sites that are all ranked #1 in Google for the particular industry.

    What or how would you determine a fair price?

    I would like to lease these on a per month basis, if I do so to a local vendor chances are I could also get them listed in Google places as well.

    Then they would have #1 organic Google spot, and one of the 7 places as well.

    I was thinking $99.95 to $149.95 per month.

    I know that I could sell the leads to lead companies, however, I would like to sell the value of exclusive leads and make a consistent income off of them instead of affiliates and adsense.

    They average about 125 uniques a month

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author hengersberger
      Originally Posted by Digital Traffic View Post

      I was wondering the same thing.

      I have about 12 city specific web sites that are all ranked #1 in Google for the particular industry.

      What or how would you determine a fair price?

      I would like to lease these on a per month basis, if I do so to a local vendor chances are I could also get them listed in Google places as well.

      Then they would have #1 organic Google spot, and one of the 7 places as well.

      I was thinking $99.95 to $149.95 per month.

      I know that I could sell the leads to lead companies, however, I would like to sell the value of exclusive leads and make a consistent income off of them instead of affiliates and adsense.

      They average about 125 uniques a month

      Thank you
      Also looking to lease a site that ranks #1 on google, msn and yahoo. Does anyone have a strategy for contacting medical professionals? Problem is getting through the front desk or office manager. Has anyone had success with letter writing? Cold calls?
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    Will this work....Is it possible for me to build a website for a local business, lets say a plumber. Get it ranked for targeted keyword to the point I am actually getting leads from the site, pass those leads on to an actual plumber, and then somehow sell or lease the site to a plumber.
    There are quite a few marketers that use the site rental model. There are a couple in my area where that is their entire business.

    I think there may even be a WSO or two on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirahster
    Hi Grimace,

    I was wondering the same thing as you recently and what I did was I bought a geo targetted domain name. I got this site ranking high for the desired keywords and then I went through and I called every number I could in the google maps listing for the keyword and I also used yellowpages.com.

    I basically made phone calls for about an hour and a half and I told the people that I spoke to that I have a source of leads for people in their area looking for there service. When I got this far, this sparked interest. Then I told them about the website and that I was wondering if they were interested in placing their contact information on the site to make use of all these leads.

    The last person I called was interested but he wanted to buy the site. So for domain registration and the time I spent building backlinks (about 3 hours) about 5 hours total went into this site, I made $600. Now I will reinvest this money into more sites.

    Happy Days!
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    • Profile picture of the author grimace_86
      Originally Posted by Kirahster View Post

      Hi Grimace,

      I was wondering the same thing as you recently and what I did was I bought a geo targetted domain name. I got this site ranking high for the desired keywords and then I went through and I called every number I could in the google maps listing for the keyword and I also used yellowpages.com.

      I basically made phone calls for about an hour and a half and I told the people that I spoke to that I have a source of leads for people in their area looking for there service. When I got this far, this sparked interest. Then I told them about the website and that I was wondering if they were interested in placing their contact information on the site to make use of all these leads.

      The last person I called was interested but he wanted to buy the site. So for domain registration and the time I spent building backlinks (about 3 hours) about 5 hours total went into this site, I made $600. Now I will reinvest this money into more sites.

      Happy Days!
      G'day all,

      wow thanks for all the great tips.

      Yesterday I found a WSO called rent-a-site model which I bought and am very happy with. Basically it covers building a local site, then renting it to local business owners in that niche for $x per month.

      I like this because if the business owner decides to stop paying, all you do is find someone else and change the contact details.

      I also like the idea John Durham has about selling leads off to insurance companies, brokers, financial planners etc... I know for a fact that if a financial planner signs someone up they make thousands of dollars in commissions &/or fees for service. So if they paid $100 for a lead, converted 1 in 4, but made $2,000 +, Im sure they would be jumping at them.

      I've even heard bob serling in his million dollar licensing program covers something like that about generating leads and then selling them on.
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  • Profile picture of the author jsherloc
    For this model to produce a great ROI, I'd recommend building sites in "high value" niches. Sure, it is going to be pretty easy to slap together a wordpress blog for "yourtownpizza.com" and throw some good onpage content and backlinks at it. You'll hit top page with a geo-domain name quickly in most areas. (aside from major metros maybe).

    But the problem then comes when you want to lease the site. If you are happy with $150 a month or something, you might get that. But how much business does a pizza shop owner stand to gain from organic traffic? Even it brings in new sales weekly, he is not actually making that much money on a slice of pizza.

    IMO its better to find a niche (lawyers, chiropractors, dentists, etc) where people spend a lot of money, thus a confirmed lead is worth a LOT more to a dentist than it is a pizza shop. In many local areas it'll take the same amount of time to get a site ranking in a "high value" niche, but the percieved value of your site(and the quality leads) is a lot higher.

    A pizza place can bank from online traffic no doubt, but in most areas you're going to hit a limit on what a pizza owner is going to pay vs a lawyer or a dentist. My two cents.

    However, many of these high-value biz owners are extremely difficult to get a hold of (in my experience), so I'd also offer to lease the site on free trial for prospective clients. They've got nothing to lose, and you've got everything to gain. You'll stand out a bit, because trust me, other salesmen have noticed the potential ($$$) that these niches offer and are going for the jugular.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    If you are able to quantify the results based on certain consistent actions, and thus can project to a business owner the average volume of leads to expect each month... who knows it may be worth $500 per month for him to lease your site depending on the industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheman
    Lease it.
    Create and sell ad space on the site.
    Offer a "free" blog specific to the subject. "Tips and Tricks for Winterizing"
    Get emails of clients they currently have worked for and then monetize that list with special savings or a free inspection then upsell...
    ...back to the original question Lease It!
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      If you'd like to make some money in a reasonably short period of time you could consider simply talking to some business owners and using the same skills to help them.

      If you do it that way you'll get paid upfront before you even start.

      Then you can work hard to get results for them and learn how to do this effectively while being paid.

      If you want to go down the track of creating sites and trying to lease them after you have some experience you can then try that.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

        If you'd like to make some money in a reasonably short period of time you could consider simply talking to some business owners and using the same skills to help them.

        If you do it that way you'll get paid upfront before you even start.

        Then you can work hard to get results for them and learn how to do this effectively while being paid.

        If you want to go down the track of creating sites and trying to lease them after you have some experience you can then try that.

        Kindest regards,
        Andrew Cavanagh
        What Andrew said.
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  • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
    I just want to give my 2 cents about this business model, the challenges I have faced and how I have handle some problems.

    This business models may make sense to IM, but some offline business owners are not looking for leads, they want to pay you per sale, and that is an entire different story why?, because here you depends basically on their sales skills, not your marketing skills to get paid.

    The people who understands this model the best are the people in the financial industry, because they know what a lead is, they are accustomed to work with them, they buy them etc... nevertheless I have face the challenge of billing, it is very hard to be billing them per lead, furthermore I start billing them a flat rate per month.

    Some other customers outside of the financial industry may be interested in your leasing your websites, but you need to look for the type of clients I am showing you in the diagram:



    Clients with high search volume and high customer value, in that way you can charge them more money, because their clients pay them more money as well, I mean a plastic surgery cost you how much 10,000 dollars? how much cost a hair cut? or a plumber solution? you get my point? getting the right type of client will help you a lot.

    Hope it helps.
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